Liability Question about Suicide Videos - GoFuckYourself.com

minusonebit · 07-15-2006, 10:12 PM

If someone posts a video of them hanging it up (killing themself) on a website I own and/or operate, is that illegal?

Please cite authority (read: law, caselaw, news about prosecutions), not uninformed opinons... I need some information on this...

Red Ezra · 07-15-2006, 10:13 PM

check please...I'm full on GFy and there's no room for desert.

tony286 · 07-15-2006, 10:16 PM

call your lawyer and ask a professional

minusonebit · 07-15-2006, 10:18 PM

BTW, if anyone is wondering why I want this info... I proposed to a friend a plan I had to develop isnomore.com into a suicide note/webcam tie in type of program where people could hang it up live on the interweb. The pages would be hosted at URLs forever and ever similar to the below:

http://minusonebit.isnomore.com

He said he thinks this would meet the definition of scat and thus get me into a huge amount of trouble. I disagree and want some insight.

L-Pink · 07-15-2006, 10:19 PM

Suicide note must include a release ... 2257 if they hang themselves naked.

minusonebit · 07-15-2006, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

call your lawyer and ask a professional

But GFY lawyers are free...

minusonebit · 07-15-2006, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Suicide note must include a release ... 2257 if they hang themselves naked.

Ah yes, this is a good point...

AllStar · 07-15-2006, 10:32 PM

Let me get this straight...
You want to have a site where people can leave a suicide note and then stream their suicide up to your servers?

You are wonderingif this is legal?

coolegg2 · 07-15-2006, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by minusonebit

Please cite authority (read: law, caselaw, news about prosecutions), not uninformed opinons...

Come to the wrong place don't ya think?

blazi · 07-15-2006, 10:38 PM

not sure what legal issues would be tied with a site like that, but c'mon man, gotta admit that's pretty sick to even think of owning a site like that don't ya think? where the fuck is your head at?!?

DaddyHalbucks · 07-15-2006, 10:45 PM

If you are encouraging or aiding or profiting from a suicide, which is akin to murder under our legal system, it could be risky.

That the good news.

The bad news: if law enforcement doesn't get you, the civil suits CERTAINLY will.

You just need one kid to see the web site, and imitate it in his own suicide, leaving a note saying you inspired him, and you will be sued so hard you would rather get fucked in the ass with barbed wire and without any lube.

I would estimate potential legal liabilities in the $XX,XXX,XXX.00 range.

Look up the Ozzie Osbourne lawsuit over his song "Suicide Solution." I think Judas Priest got sued too. Ozzy won his lawsuit on first amendment grounds, but still, such suits are an ordeal.

Regardless of culpability, do you have $500,000 to pay your lawyers? Moreover, do you really want a possible REAL suicide of a distraught kid to follow you for the rest of your life?

I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice.

minusonebit · 07-15-2006, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by blazi

not sure what legal issues would be tied with a site like that, but c'mon man, gotta admit that's pretty sick to even think of owning a site like that don't ya think? where the fuck is your head at?!?

I think its a great idea. I already have the domain and everything.

What is sick is all these grief counselors and shrinks and psych hospitals and inpatient places and acute care facilities that want to keep these people alive but in suffering for as long as possible so they can profit from them.

Another site that would tie into this one would include a handbook with DIY steps on how to kill yourself right the first time. Because nothing would suck more than turning yourself into a veggie.

Moreso than most things, its really important that people get this one right the first time...

And stop acting so repulsed. You know you'll be watching right along with everyone else. Its the same way that websites like somethingawful.com are able to exist.

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Originally Posted by AllStar

Let me get this straight...
You want to have a site where people can leave a suicide note and then stream their suicide up to your servers?

You are wonderingif this is legal?

Yes, exactly!

Oh, and show an occasional message from our sponosor. ePassporte seems to have a large ad budget... I was thinking of approaching them...

Why wouldnt it be legal?

07-15-2006, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by minusonebit

I think its a great idea. I already have the domain and everything.

What is sick is all these grief counselors and shrinks and psych hospitals and inpatient places and acute care facilities that want to keep these people alive but in suffering for as long as possible so they can profit from them.

Another site that would tie into this one would include a handbook with DIY steps on how to kill yourself right the first time. Because nothing would suck more than turning yourself into a veggie.

Moreso than most things, its really important that people get this one right the first time...

And stop acting so repulsed. You know you'll be watching right along with everyone else. Its the same way that websites like somethingawful.com are able to exist.

Yes, exactly!

Oh, and show an occasional message from our sponosor. ePassporte seems to have a large ad budget... I was thinking of approaching them...

Why wouldnt it be legal?

You are a dumb asshole. You would be making money off people that are dpressed or have severe mental illnesses. You compalin about the doctors and facilities that are making money, but you want to make money off of these poor souls too. That is fucked up beyond belief. How about you hang yourself and do us all a favor.

Kaylum · 07-15-2006, 11:01 PM

morality and common-fucking-sense has left the building!

if any of you have ever questioned the downside to capitalism or freedom-of-choice, let this post be an example.

peace Kaylum

coolegg2 · 07-15-2006, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by minusonebit

I think its a great idea. I already have the domain and everything.

What is sick is all these grief counselors and shrinks and psych hospitals and inpatient places and acute care facilities that want to keep these people alive but in suffering for as long as possible so they can profit from them.

Another site that would tie into this one would include a handbook with DIY steps on how to kill yourself right the first time. Because nothing would suck more than turning yourself into a veggie.

Moreso than most things, its really important that people get this one right the first time...

And stop acting so repulsed. You know you'll be watching right along with everyone else. Its the same way that websites like somethingawful.com are able to exist.

Yes, exactly!

Oh, and show an occasional message from our sponosor. ePassporte seems to have a large ad budget... I was thinking of approaching them...

Why wouldnt it be legal?

In spite of your bluster, you obviously aren't all that serious about it, otherwise you would be talking this over with a lawyer rather than talking it over with GFY's finest legal minds.

iwantchixx · 07-16-2006, 12:12 AM

who cares of it's legal or not, you wanting to provide a way for people to kill themselves publicly is fucking very very bad karma. It's unethical and mentally retarted.

studiocritic · 07-16-2006, 02:18 AM

mardigras · 07-16-2006, 02:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by minusonebit

I think its a great idea. I already have the domain and everything.

Hopefully "everything" includes deep pockets.

ProducerCashDave · 07-16-2006, 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by minusonebit

If someone posts a video of them hanging it up (killing themself) on a website I own and/or operate, is that illegal?

Please cite authority (read: law, caselaw, news about prosecutions), not uninformed opinons... I need some information on this...

Don't do it!

Suicide is like federal crime or something and you'll be harboring it by owning the site, 100% dont do it

lacuna · 07-16-2006, 05:55 AM

The bigger question is, why would you even want to do that?

jimthefiend · 07-16-2006, 06:03 AM

Has it really come to this?

No offense, but you should beta test it yourself.

notabook · 07-16-2006, 06:27 AM

Real Snuff=Illegal, pretty sure they could find a way to consider it a snuff video since you gave them the 'forum' to die.

woj · 07-16-2006, 06:58 AM

are you serious?

marcjacob · 07-16-2006, 07:13 AM

I dont buy this thread, hes talking bull, he would never post a site like that. Its 100% obvious the persons family would sue. You dont need a lawyer to tell you that. This thread is a piss take designed to troll i reckon.

DWB · 07-16-2006, 07:23 AM

And yet we wonder why the goverment likes to pick on us....

Grapesoda · 07-16-2006, 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by minusonebit

BTW, if anyone is wondering why I want this info... I proposed to a friend a plan I had to develop isnomore.com into a suicide note/webcam tie in type of program where people could hang it up live on the interweb. The pages would be hosted at URLs forever and ever similar to the below:

http://minusonebit.isnomore.com

He said he thinks this would meet the definition of scat and thus get me into a huge amount of trouble. I disagree and want some insight.

I think you'll get fucked by the feds if ya do that in the USA . . you'll be 'faciltating' muder more in likely . . walk away while yer still a 'free man'

minusonebit · 07-16-2006, 08:59 AM

OK, then does anyone else have a good idea for isnomore.com. That domain has to be useful for something...

minusonebit · 07-16-2006, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by kermey

I dont buy this thread, hes talking bull, he would never post a site like that. Its 100% obvious the persons family would sue. You dont need a lawyer to tell you that. This thread is a piss take designed to troll i reckon.

People incorporate to avoid lawsuits, or rather to limit thier ability to affect them. So someone sues. Between the time they get the judgement, the site popularity goes through the roof, millions of page impressions. Advertising revenues go nuts. Talk shows call wanting me to come on the show to talk about why I'd do some disgusting thing like this.

Then they finally get a judgement in the amount of $900 million dollars. The corporation files for bankruptcy and its assets, consiting of a fax machine, a roll of stamps, a box of enevelopes, a wal-mart phone and answering machine, a box of paper clips, a computer, three ink pens, two pads of post it notes, a partical board desk and wal-mart chair will be sold, netting $53.21. Nothing more to collect.

I am not worried about civil lawsuits. I am worried about criminal liabilty, which if there is any, would not only allow them to throw me in jail but rather to pierce the corporate viel and come after me personally.

Kimo · 07-16-2006, 09:09 AM

reg fee!

Sarah_Jayne · 07-16-2006, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by minusonebit

BTW, if anyone is wondering why I want this info... I proposed to a friend a plan I had to develop isnomore.com into a suicide note/webcam tie in type of program where people could hang it up live on the interweb. The pages would be hosted at URLs forever and ever similar to the below:

http://minusonebit.isnomore.com

He said he thinks this would meet the definition of scat and thus get me into a huge amount of trouble. I disagree and want some insight.

I'm sorry but that whole concept make me want to throw up.

Sarah_Jayne · 07-16-2006, 10:09 AM

also...basiclly you are asking about running a snuff site. In my view that should be treated the same as somebody coming to an adult webmaster forum asking how to run a kiddie porn site.

Khun · 07-16-2006, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by minusonebit

Another site that would tie into this one would include a handbook with DIY steps on how to kill yourself right the first time.

Lol, ya, I fucked it up the first time. Can I get a do-over?

JamesK2 · 07-16-2006, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by sarah_webinc

also...basiclly you are asking about running a snuff site. In my view that should be treated the same as somebody coming to an adult webmaster forum asking how to run a kiddie porn site.

Snuff is fucking a woman and then killing her, right? I don't think it's the same as his idea.

Although I think making money off a site where people leave suicide notes is fucking brutal, and only thinking of it is fucked up.

notabook · 07-16-2006, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by JamesK

Snuff is fucking a woman and then killing her, right? I don't think it's the same as his idea.

Although I think making money off a site where people leave suicide notes is fucking brutal, and only thinking of it is fucked up.

No. Snuff film = Killing someone while recording it. Has nothing to do with fucking, though if you fucked then killed it would still be snuff.

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Xplicit · 07-16-2006, 12:54 PM

Ok dumbass, of corse if the site was up, people would come see it for shock value (duh). This is called HUMAN NATURE.

But to BE THE PERSON putting the stuff up in the first place is what makes you one sick fuck.

We'd watch it for a couple seconds of "oh shit". Your obsessed with people killing themselves.

PS - Post a pic of yourself, i wanna see what kind of ugly antisocal freak you are.

DaddyHalbucks · 07-16-2006, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by minusonebit

I think its a great idea. I already have the domain and everything.

What is sick is all these grief counselors and shrinks and psych hospitals and inpatient places and acute care facilities that want to keep these people alive but in suffering for as long as possible so they can profit from them.

Another site that would tie into this one would include a handbook with DIY steps on how to kill yourself right the first time. Because nothing would suck more than turning yourself into a veggie.

Moreso than most things, its really important that people get this one right the first time...

And stop acting so repulsed. You know you'll be watching right along with everyone else. Its the same way that websites like somethingawful.com are able to exist.

Yes, exactly!

Oh, and show an occasional message from our sponosor. ePassporte seems to have a large ad budget... I was thinking of approaching them...

Why wouldnt it be legal?

As I said above, you will get your ass sued --big time.

Let me repeat: B I G time liability!!!

Whatever money you make, you will owe 10X in legal fees and judgments.

No sponsor wants to be associated with that.

minusonebit · 07-23-2006, 09:11 AM

For the record, I have talked this over with counsel.

Isnomore.com is comming soon.

Jman · 07-23-2006, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by minusonebit

OK, then does anyone else have a good idea for isnomore.com. That domain has to be useful for something...

Yeah post about your idea cause i guess.... that idea isnomore

What a dumb ass.

Good thing I beleive in Kharma. It will Bite you in the ass for that one my friend

coolegg2 · 07-23-2006, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by minusonebit

OK, then does anyone else have a good idea for isnomore.com. That domain has to be useful for something...

With all do respect, your approach to business is all wrong. You don't build a build a business plan around what will fit a $10 domain you own. You first come up with a business plan that makes sense and is something you would enjoy doing, then you go get a domain for it.

MyNameIsNobody · 07-23-2006, 11:36 AM

ppl will actually see this site and say "hey, I know.. I'll kill my self for some reason barely worth crying for"

lucky1 · 07-23-2006, 11:43 AM

isnomore.com can be used to list all of the sponsors that would advertise on the site before it gets shut down.

Besides the fact that this is one of the dumbest ideas I have ever heard for liability reasons alone (I'm not even going to comment on the moral issues) who do you think would actually advertise on this site or want to be even remotely associated with it.

I really hope this was a bullshit post for your own amusement because I can't believe anyone could be this cold hearted and just plain stupid.

Sarah_Jayne · 07-23-2006, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by lucky1

isnomore.com can be used to list all of the sponsors that would advertise on the site before it gets shut down.

Besides the fact that this is one of the dumbest ideas I have ever heard for liability reasons alone (I'm not even going to comment on the moral issues) who do you think would actually advertise on this site or want to be even remotely associated with it.

I really hope this was a bullshit post for your own amusement because I can't believe anyone could be this cold hearted and just plain stupid.

pre-paid funerals? Will writing services? Sick stuff.

07-15-2006, 10:12 PM	#1
minusonebit So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: [email protected] Posts: 7,391	Liability Question about Suicide Videos If someone posts a video of them hanging it up (killing themself) on a website I own and/or operate, is that illegal? Please cite authority (read: law, caselaw, news about prosecutions), not uninformed opinons... I need some information on this...

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DaddyHalbucks A freakin' legend! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada USA Posts: 18,975	If you are encouraging or aiding or profiting from a suicide, which is akin to murder under our legal system, it could be risky. That the good news. The bad news: if law enforcement doesn't get you, the civil suits CERTAINLY will. You just need one kid to see the web site, and imitate it in his own suicide, leaving a note saying you inspired him, and you will be sued so hard you would rather get fucked in the ass with barbed wire and without any lube. I would estimate potential legal liabilities in the $XX,XXX,XXX.00 range. Look up the Ozzie Osbourne lawsuit over his song "Suicide Solution." I think Judas Priest got sued too. Ozzy won his lawsuit on first amendment grounds, but still, such suits are an ordeal. Regardless of culpability, do you have $500,000 to pay your lawyers? Moreover, do you really want a possible REAL suicide of a distraught kid to follow you for the rest of your life? I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice. __________________ Boner Money

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minusonebit So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: [email protected] Posts: 7,391	BTW, if anyone is wondering why I want this info... I proposed to a friend a plan I had to develop isnomore.com into a suicide note/webcam tie in type of program where people could hang it up live on the interweb. The pages would be hosted at URLs forever and ever similar to the below: http://minusonebit.isnomore.com He said he thinks this would meet the definition of scat and thus get me into a huge amount of trouble. I disagree and want some insight.

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AllStar Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 461	Let me get this straight... You want to have a site where people can leave a suicide note and then stream their suicide up to your servers? You are wonderingif this is legal?

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iwantchixx Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Boonies Posts: 12,860	who cares of it's legal or not, you wanting to provide a way for people to kill themselves publicly is fucking very very bad karma. It's unethical and mentally retarted.

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marcjacob Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: England Posts: 1,063	I dont buy this thread, hes talking bull, he would never post a site like that. Its 100% obvious the persons family would sue. You dont need a lawyer to tell you that. This thread is a piss take designed to troll i reckon.

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minusonebit So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: [email protected] Posts: 7,391	OK, then does anyone else have a good idea for isnomore.com. That domain has to be useful for something...

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Xplicit Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: █◄►█ Posts: 3,558	Ok dumbass, of corse if the site was up, people would come see it for shock value (duh). This is called HUMAN NATURE. But to BE THE PERSON putting the stuff up in the first place is what makes you one sick fuck. We'd watch it for a couple seconds of "oh shit". Your obsessed with people killing themselves. PS - Post a pic of yourself, i wanna see what kind of ugly antisocal freak you are. Last edited by Xplicit; 07-16-2006 at 12:55 PM..

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minusonebit So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: [email protected] Posts: 7,391	For the record, I have talked this over with counsel. Isnomore.com is comming soon.

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