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CheeseFrog

Obviously the design sucked. Back to the drawing board.

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Minte

Take a coat hanger and hold it under a candle for about 10 minutes.As metal heats it loses tensile strength.The steel used in framing a modern skyscraper is one grade above 1008crs(coat hanger materiel).Most buildings that are steel framed will fail in an intense fire.Obviously the load increases as you add multiple stories to a structure.It was entirely predictable from an engineering standpoint that the towers would collapse from a fire.

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I am sure the roof of the "Big Dig" was not intended to cave in but it did.

notabook

*sighs* Ok... please... for the love of your respective god... please READ... I accept, and I will give that the WTC succumbed to intense fire from jet fuel + structural damage. Ok, you got that, good, great, eat a cookie, masturbate, whatever. Building #7 however did NOT get hit by a jet, and did NOT suffer intense fires caused directly from jet fuel. There have been MODERN SKYSCRAPERS that have burned intensely for more than twenty four hours, huge skyscrapers bigger than Building #7. Guess how many of those fell buddy? Zero. What's that number again, didn't quite catch it. Oh yeah, ZERO. Considering #7 did not get struck by a jet, and that buildings closer to the WTC did NOT fall from the 'intense fires', we have a little problem with that statement.

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Have you even read the multiple probable reasons why #7 collasped. I find it much easier to believe the probable in place of the improbable. As someone once said, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

L-Pink

Jet fuel ... which is basically well filtered KEROSINE .... like in kerosine heaters does not burn hot enough to melt steel! Or the cheap aluminum in heaters. How many kerosine heaters melt? How many jet engines melt?

But the steel in a skyscraper did .... lol .....

L-Pink

Like Silverstein saying "PULL"

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Dirty Dane

Weird... terrorists blow up rest of the world, but its impossible in US And even if they take responsibility for it, they must be lying
And of course... the "best" way to cover up a conspiracy is in daylight

FetishTom

Never said it did.

Thats big of you.


Because it was hit by debris and caught fire perhaps? You may have noticed that there were planes crashing into nearby buildings spraying allsorts all over the place. Pretty sure the whole thing was on TV. You must have seen it.

It probably collapsed from fire because it was on fire. Just a wild guess.

Inconclusive. So no conclusion was drawn therefore no help to your argument or anyones elses for that matter.

Am going with earlier answer. You know jets crashing, shit flying around, hit by debris etc etc

Because explosions, fires etc are not logical or ordered. Building B is damaged whereas Building A remains unscathed. Its called random chance; sods law; lifes a bitch. For most people random chance is a scary thing. Its why people invented relegion and conspircacy theories. Makes them feel better to know that there is a dark force controlling everything.


For people who cannot read CAPITALIZING a word will not make a blind bit of difference. For people who can read it makes you look like a hysterical nut job.

notabook

Yes, I have read it and considering that 97% of the evidence was removed during the time which they were 'investigating' its collapse, anything they have found cannot be that accurate. #7 was almost completely ignored during the time they were investigating the WTC. The investigators claim that the building suffered a great amount of structural damage which weakened its integrity, and then when it caught fire due to the WTC's intense heat, fell seven hours later. The 'great structural damage' is the main thing in question about #7. Where did such horrendous structural damage come from? No jet hit it; falling debris did much less damage to buildings closer to the WTC than evidently than the debris did to #7.

Building #7 is the *only* skyscraper in modern history to fall to fire, that suffered NO direct explosions, NO direct attacks, NO direct damage whatsoever. It supposedly suffered horrendous amounts of damage from falling WTC debris, even though buildings much closer to the WTC did not. The intense heat from the WTC eventually made several buildings close to it catch fire, including Building #7. The rest of the buildings somehow magically managed to avoid the structural damage that #7 magically obtained. #7 falling isn?t proof of government conspiracy; I never said it was. I just believe that #7 falling is proof that not everything is peachy when it comes to a ?case-closed? 9-11. If it was destroyed intentionally, whoever responsible needs to be brought to justice.

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At what temperatures do the various materials on an airplane and the various materials inside a building and the materials of the building itself burn at? What role does oxegyn and drafts play in increasing the temperature of burning materials? I assume you are an expert on fire and temperatures etc.?

CheeseFrog

Who really gives a fuck why Building #7 fell? It fell. Get over it.

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Various structures fail, for various reasons, every year, in the US and around the world, that should not have failed, but they do.

chshkt

Some people cannot see the wood for the trees.

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tony286

in 30 yrs the truth will come out

chshkt

what about 30 days? the truth is out there!

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Yes it is and is not being provided by these clowns on C-Span. They are more humorous than Moore is. Good comedy here.

DavieVegas

That sounds pretty right to me...... the gas prices and muslims part

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chshkt

O RLY? Check out the official 9/11 comission report. Bigger comedy.

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DavieVegas

I beleive that our gov had something to do with this. Too much dan evidence from building owners and too many facts to make me thing otherwise. FUCK BUSH

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DavieVegas

"Well then my dear faggot"

I luv this guy

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Dvae

LOL
I could only take about 15 or 20 mins of these ass clowns but I have learned some new things.
The Spain bombing was not done by terrorists, nor was the train bombing in the UK, the 17 arrested in Canada, all staged to further the cause of the globalists.

Why is it that they are the only ones who know what really happened?

notabook

Sure you did FetishTom, sure you did. You stated "Until 9/11. Because something 'has never happened' is not a guarantee or evidence that it 'will never happen'.", clearly implying that until 9/11, jets had never struck any large commercial modern building, which is true. However, Building #7 does NOT equal the WTC =)


Thanks FetishTom, was just trying to clear it up for people who have trouble reading such as yourself, I think I made it easier! Maybe not for you though


Hi again FetishTom! Here's the thing my dear gullible fellow: Buildings closer to the WTC than #7 did not suffer a similar fate. Some caught on fire, none suffered the 'horrendous' amounts of structual damage necessary to bring down a modern skyscrapper. Again, the other buildsing that caught fire were closer than #7, and did NOT suffer said needed horrendous damage.


Hi FetishTom, you see, the problem there is that *no* modern skyscraper in history has collapsed from fire! Some of which burned with the same intensity that #7 did, for much longer periods. Several skyscrapers (taller than #7 as well) have burned for over 24 hours with the same intensity, and none fell.


Can?t really say anything here, with 97% of the evidence removed by the time the commissioned study was completed I really can?t blame them here. I?m just stating that anything they say as ?proof? is probably bunkus as with 97% of the evidence removed, that 3% must be the blood of Christ or some shit.


Already answered earlier FetishTom, I?m sure you read that though. Maybe not, so I?ll paste it again just for you buddy! Buildings closer to the WTC than #7 did not suffer a similar fate. Some caught on fire, none suffered the 'horrendous' amounts of structual damage necessary to bring down a modern skyscrapper. Again, the other buildsing that caught fire were closer than #7, and did NOT suffer said needed horrendous damage.


People invented religion mainly as a way to explain things that they couldn't understand. You see a lightning bolt? That?s Zeus saying he didn?t like the way you just fucked that goat so you better stop it. Religion as a whole is a bad thing because they all seem to evolve with one purpose in mind: Taking advantage of the believers faith system. But that?s another debate for another day. Anyways, no explosions hit Building #7, it caught fire from the WTC?s heat, as did several other buildings closer to the WTC. Some buildings close to the WTC also suffered damage from falling debris, yet none managed to fall. That?s because building #7 was a magic building designed out of playdough instead of STEEL!


No tom, I CAPITALIZE my words for people like YOU, who can?t spend the necessary time to READ what has been written. People like YOU skip over many words and sentences and just pick up certain words that they want to see, which is why I?ve had to type out this whole paragraph just for your benefit. Maybe you?ll have read everything I?ve typed out JUST FOR YOU this time. Or maybe you?ll just go suck some more cock you stupid faggot*.

*just making sure that you?re still reading little buddy!

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CheeseFrog

All these theories sound very plausible, except for one thing that COMPLETELY blows them all out of the water: Bin Laden himself said that he was responsible for the attacks, not the US. How do you explain that?

When in the history of Al Qaeda have they EVER claimed responsibility for something that they didn't do?

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DavieVegas

hmm it says ccn at 7 pm PT is Cnn Staurday night(60 min). No story title

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FrankHolland

you can see it aired here http://www.c-span.org/watch/cspan_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS

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Dvae

Just part of the plan he's in on it.

Or.
Neither OBL or Al Qaeda exist.
Just part of the 'script'

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Silly person, don't you know that the President and Bin Laden are the best of friends and Bin Laden is hidden safely away on the President's ranch enjoying bar-b-q'ed pork ribs, for dinner and good pork sausage and eggs for breakfast, with some pork roast and mashed potatoes for lunch while laughing at all of us sheeple.

CheeseFrog

Oh schnap, my bad... Come to think of it, I do remember reading about that on CNN.com a few weeks ago. I just completely forgot about it

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Dvae

And don't forget this. He's got to have something to do in his free time

waffleiron

This is obviously a conspiracy carried out by several large auto manufactures.

Follow my explanation to freedom!

Osama Bin knocks our shit down -> We pound Afghanistan?s bum -> Afghanistan was to small and Bush didn't get off, so off to Iraq -> Now no longer a virgin Bush wills Isreal to give Lebanon a "Hot Carl" -> Oil prices rise -> Auto manufactures market fuel efficient cars with the help of government tax breaks and 0% financing -> Alternative fuels are produced and Danny Divito gets a beaner from Carrot Top.

See! Fucking obvious huh? Shit where?s my beer? Fucking illuminati must have stolen it! I would do something to fight them but sunlight frightens me.


BTW this thread is retarded, 101st Airborne you mother fuckers! Fuck with America and you best believe we will invade your shit.

JFK

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notabook

And with countries like Iraq who didn?t ?fuck? with America... Have resources that America wants and you best believe we will invade your shit.

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FetishTom

No I didn't. My statement was directly in relation to your assertion that no modern skyscrapper had collapsed through fire which happen to occur on or as a result of the events on 9/11

You are welcome.

Never said they suffered a similar fate.

To repeat. Just because something has 'never happened before' is not a guarantee or evidence that it 'will never happen'. I will quote you an example. The sun has never expanded and vaporised this planet. However this is not evidence that this will never happen. The use of 'what has been the case' and extending it to 'this is the case and always will be the case' dribbling nonsense


Then if we accept that 97% of the evidence is removed then any 'proof' you provide is equally bunkus

Have already answered this. Just because building A did not catch fire does not mean building B cannot catch fire. Proximity of an item to an explosive event is a factor in the fate of said item but not the sole determining factor.

Correct. You cannot understand why building 7 collapsed. You therefore fulminate and seek answers in conspriacy theories. The same thinking underpins religious faith and conspiracy theorists. The need to have order and explain the unexplainable. Conspiracy theories are the new religion.


You capitalize for the same reason you call me (and others) a faggot. Misplaced aggression due to fear and insecurity mixed with latent homosexuality.

marketsmart

All i can say is that it doesnt matter what you believe. the main point is to question everything, do your own research, and come to your own conclusion.

believing everything the govt and media tells you makes you just as foolish as some of the conspiricy nuts...

Xplicit

Its fucking PATHETIC anyone on here believes the governments side of this. Basic physics (that you do NOT need to be smart to understand) prove the government is lying.

I find it truly disgusting that people have so much trust in the government - in a country founded on not trusting the government.

America started as a new system of checks-and-balances where one goverment office oversees another - everyone held accountable.

We moved away from this system a long time ago, covert operations, black budgets, and no oversight.

For you pro-bush dumbfucks who believe anything, its this simple:

THE WTC TOWERS COLLAPSED AT FREEFALL SPEED. The government claimed it was one floor crashing onto the next, but with NO RESISTANCE??

This is literally physically impossable unless floors were being demolished as the building was coming down - TONS of steel and concrete cannot instantly break apart, period. Thats what would have needed to happen for the governments story to be true.

Okay... you dont need a physics degree to understand steel and metal do not instantly dissolve. Please tell me none of you are stupid enough to not admit this is at least VERY SUSPICIOUS.

I hate conspiracy theories, but this is the first that actually has my attention.

notabook

Fire alone can?t bring down a modern skyscraper friend, this is confirmed. So the only thing you could have been referring to in 9/11 then is that no modern skyscrapers have been in such a situation as getting slammed by two jets full of delicious fuel. No amount of nut sucking or dick stroking you do is going to change what you meant, so you might as well stop it. Or don?t, it?s up to you.


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And the reason that they didn?t suffer a similar fate? Magic? Delicious cock sundae?s protected them from structural damage, but the cock sundae just didn?t quite cover up all of building #7? Yeah that sounds about as logical as what FEMA said eh?


Did you really just say that about the sun?? Our sun is a type of star. OH WAIT, don?t respond back quite yet faggoteer! Our sun is a yellow dwarf, and because of other yellow dwarfs THAT WE?VE OBSERVED we *think* that our sun will follow the same eventual life cycle and eventually expand and vaporize most of the terrestrial planets. Now, here?s the thing little guy: scientists have OBSERVED other yellow dwarfs that have expanded, which is why they can make the assertion that one day our sun will eventually do the same thing. My dear faggot, we have NEVER OBSERVED A MODERN SKYSCRAPPER falling down because of intense fire, so your stupid fucking quote is about as accurate as I am taking a piss.

-And let me you I?ve hit the ceiling before when I?ve pissed if that tells you my accuracy.


I can?t provide hardcore proof, just circumstantial evidence. Kind of like the Scott Peterson trial, you know the one, where a man was sentenced to death with no real evidence? Yeah, it?s kinda like that. Kinda.


Already stated previously, etc. Building #7 was further away from WTC than many other buildings. Many other buildings caught fire and suffered damage from falling debris, none magically fell like building #7 did, which means obviously that Gamara used his hard shell to deflect the debris and intense heat from the other buildings but his shell just wasn?t quite big enough to protect #7. Fucking Gamara, I hate that guy.


I understand that the reasons that FEMA gave are completely unsubstantiated, which leads me to believe that building #7 collapsing was setup in advance. Does this mean that the government was behind 9-11? No. Does this mean that a select group of people knew about 9-11 in advance? Probable. As for conspiracy theories being the new religion, that?s a bunch of shit. It?s healthy to question the answers you are given. Religion on the other hand is usually never a good thing. How many people have died because of religion? Compare that number to how many have died because they delve in conspiracy. Get back to me when you have the numbers faggot. =)

By the way, I really love that big word you used there friend, fulminate. I like it! You may be a faggot but that word makes up for it, god DAMN I love that fucking word.


Latent homosexuality? I?m a full blown queer (when I want to be). I call people (and others) faggots because I can. I?m a big believer in this magical thing called FREE SPEECH. Uh oh, there I go capitalizing again for your benefit. Oh I?m so silly! Tee hee, tee hee, oh shut the fuck up you stupid faggot and go back to sucking some cock.

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Great quote !!

ColourMeHuman

A lot of people know what really happend, but the mainstream media is controlled and trying to surpress the 911 truth movement and any important questions raised.

Dvae

What would they have to gain by this?

Tom_PM

It's replaying starting now on cspan. Might be worth a watch because saturday night tv sucks, lol.

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Pleasurepays

one last time...a little logic. i am sure it will be wasted, but hopefully it will help you with a breakthough in your paranoia and delusions.

a) you are not an engineer or structural engineer and are not qualified to make such statements as "fire alone cannot bring down a modern skyscraper"

b) "fire alone" did not bring either building down. significant structural damage combined with fire did. you might have missed the massive holes punched in the buildings by the jets. look around, i am sure you can find pics or video.

nothing like this has ever happened in the history of the world... so there is no rational way to argue what should happen or what might typically happen in such a situation.

c) no other buildings on the planet compared to the WTC, either in size or in the unique construction of the towers. with the exception of this event, never in the history of the world, have buildings similar in construction and size been hit by two passenger jets full of fuel.

d) since c. is true... and your argument relies on a comparissons of what "does/should happen" which do not exist, or where none can be made, your argument is 100% invalid and rediculous.

notabook

one last time... and PLEASE pay attention, that's all I ask of you with reading disabilities

a) Fire has *NEVER* brought down a MODREN skyscraper. I don?t have to be a fucking engineer to know that SINGLE FACT. Ya dig me fucking faggot? Well, I know you do in that way, but that?s not really what I?m referring to so get your eyes off my cock. Oh and please pay close attention to b, you'll get a kick out of it I'm sure.

b) Ok, please, for the love of whatever fucking god you believe in do NOT POST if you CANNOT FUCKING READ THE MOTHER FUCKING THREAD IN THEIR ENTIRETY (for other fucktard, that was ?yelling!?). Building #7 DOES NOT EQUAL the WTC. It did NOT get hit by jets, Building #7 would have LOGICALLY (since you love using logic of course!) suffered about the same or less damage than buildings closest to the WTC, none of which fell. Oh yeah, suck cock.

c) Already answered, this isn?t about the WTC, this is about Building #7. So one more time for you stupid fucker: BUILDING #7 IS NOT THE WTC.

d) Whatever, go suck some more dick faggot.

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Pleasurepays

being an angry and hot tempered conspiracy theorist puts you only a couple steps away from blowing up a government building yourself.

haha... get some help.

CheeseFrog

Ok, so planted explosives brought down #7... What makes people think the US govt did it when Al Qaeda has already admitted to the attacks?

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notabook

What a great response there bud. At least I can tell buildings apart you stupid fuckbag.

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Tdog

WTC7 fell in 6.4 seconds. Thats is free fall speed.