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150 million

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767 that hit the WTC and a 707 have about the same specs.

The maximum takeoff weight for a Boeing 707-320B is 336,000 pounds.
The maximum takeoff weight for a Boeing 767-200ER is 395,000 pounds.

The wingspan of a Boeing 707 is 146 feet.
The wingspan of a Boeing 767 is 156 feet.

The length of a Boeing 707 is 153 feet.
The length of a Boeing 767 is 159 feet.

The Boeing 707 could carry 23,000 gallons of fuel.
The Boeing 767 could carry 23,980 gallons of fuel.

bellskids

There are many things about the events of the last 5 years that simply dont add up. Whether the buildings were rigged and brought down deliberately or not is something I wouldnt like to comment on BUT I definitely believe it to be possible that the government would have discovered the plot to hijack the planes before hand and then allowed it to happen to further their own political ends. Didnt Mossad (israeli intelligence service) warn the americans a few weeks before 911 that they had intercepted chatter related to the hijacking of passenger jets? Perhaps the plot was uncovered and the decision was made to make the most of it, they would also have had enough time to place the required charges if they had weeks of notice. 911 was obviously a deliberately chosen date so it wasnt as if the attack was gonna be rescheduled. They would have had plenty of time to prepare things. Damn I just commented on what I said I wouldnt lol wheres my tin hat :p

One thing I do know for sure though is that the US and UK government openly and blatantly lied about the reasons for going to war in Iraq. If they can do that and in doing so bring about the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people then why couldnt they have blown up a couple of skyscrapers. In the grand scheme of things its not that big a deal and they will be replaced with even better buildings so everyones a winner except those who had the misfortune to be at the office that day...

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interesting specs comparison there a fully fuelled 707 would almost certainly weigh more than a 767 with 10,000 gallons of fuel. If not then it would be damn close.

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The Federal Government cannot do anything right. Do you really think they could pull of something sinister like this? What about leaks? The coordination this would take amoung hundreds of people, there would certainly be a "leaker" or someone who writes a book.

You kooks give too much credit to those in government.

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No duh. Under normal circumstances, you'd have union guys stringing out the job to take as long as possible, because they're getting paid by the hour. So under NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES, I'd expect the hour worth of work required to set up explosives at all load-bearing points in a building to be stretched out over several days. Gotta love the blue collar work ethic :-/

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Tdog

I think the manhattan project had 10,000 people working on it. And it went on without any leaks.

CheeseFrog

So Al'Qaeda planted explosives as an adjunct to ramming planes into the WTC. They had a backup plan. I don't see what's so hard to believe about that?

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Tdog

So your saying that it could take one hour to set up explosives in all the buildings?

If so then someone would have to give them the key to the entire building to get access to all the spots you need.

Zester

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Once each tower began to collapse, the weight of all the floors above the collapsed zone bore down with pulverizing force on the highest intact floor. Unable to absorb the massive energy, that floor would fail, transmitting the forces to the floor below, allowing the collapse to progress downward through the building in a chain reaction. Engineers call the process "pancaking," and it does not require an explosion to begin, according to David Biggs, a structural engineer at Ryan-Biggs Associates and a member of the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) team that worked on the FEMA report.

Like all office buildings, the WTC towers contained a huge volume of air. As they pancaked, all that air--along with the concrete and other debris pulverized by the force of the collapse--was ejected with enormous energy. "When you have a significant portion of a floor collapsing, it's going to shoot air and concrete dust out the window." NIST lead investigator Shyam Sunder tells PM. Those clouds of dust may create the impression of a controlled demolition, Sunder adds, "but it is the floor pancaking that leads to that perception."

Demolition expert Romero regrets that his comments to the Albuquerque Journal became fodder for conspiracy theorists. "I was misquoted in saying that I thought it was explosives that brought down the building," he tells PM. "I only said that that's what it looked like."

Romero, who agrees with the scientific conclusion that fire triggered the collapses, demanded a retraction from the Journal. It was printed Sept. 22, 2001. "I felt like my scientific reputation was on the line." But emperors-clothes.com saw something else: "The paymaster of Romero's research institute is the Pentagon. Directly or indirectly, pressure was brought to bear, forcing Romero to retract his original statement." Romero responds: "Conspiracy theorists came out saying that the government got to me. That is the farthest thing from the truth. This has been an albatross around my neck for three years."


http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...tml?page=4&c=y

FetishTom

Now we have been through this. But okay will say it again. Just because 'no modern skyscraper has been brought down by fire' is not evidence or confirmation that it cannot ever happen. Now I know you don't understand this but try and think it through logically. Not happened before does not equal it will never happen in the future. Equally when it does happen this is not proof or evidence of a conspiricy.

Again we have been through this. For some reason you think because Building B was destroyed then Building A must also be destroyed and because it wasn't then this is proof of well fuck knows what really but there you go. Now I have explained why through random chance that weird shit can happen. Its scary I know but sometimes thats just the way it is and sometimes there is no explanation.

In other words we have not directly observed the life cycle of a yellow dwarf star as you claimed. Just checking.

It explains a lot.

Yet again you missed the point. Never mind I was probably expecting too much from you on this one

See previous comments on steel and skyscrapers and fire etc

So in one sentance we have 'Fire cannot destroy a steel skyscraper' to 'There is plenty of proof to support that modern STEEL SKYSCRAPERS cannot be destroyed by fire'. The first is presented as a statement of fact with no room for argument. The second is in effect closer to the actual truth that there is plenty of proof to support (the theory) that they cannot be destroyed by fire. However as we all know with the the theories of experts that reality has a habit of biting them in the ass. At least though (and at last) we seem to have be heading in a more sensible direction.

...and I was wrong about heading in a more sensible direction. We now have giant turtles.

Crystal. FEMA claims are in your eyes unsubstantiated so naturally explosives were planted in advance to bring the building down. Why this building and not others etc is not addressed but hey lets just jump to dribbling conclusions and run around shouting at everyone.

Have no idea why you keep bringing your cock into the equation but if it makes you happy then knock yourself out.

Well the planes full of people ended up dead. And yes I can imagine it was terrifying. But go ahead and mock them and their families if it makes you feel big.


Debunking conspiricy theories is like debunking religion. Next to impossible. Both rely on blind faith with a dash of stupidity.

Leaving aside the introduction of knife wielding gorillas the use of the phrase analytical thinking and pure logic is followed by 'spewing nonsense such as ?just because you haven?t seen it doesn?t mean it?s not possible LMAO'

So in summary only things that we have seen are possible? For example I have never seen Sydney Opera House therefore it cannot possibly exist? Frankly it is (again) dribbling insanity to believe that the only things that are possible are things we have seen.

You should try reading it again. Or was I been too subtle? Probably

So its a 'Yes' then. Thought so.

I said 'me (and others)' you said 'people (and others)' so I ask again who are these others? Giant turtles? Knife wielding gorillas? Aliens? Was Building 7 their HQ hence the reason for destroying it? Enlighten us.

Well we pretty much wrapped it up a post or two ago but you seem to enjoy looking stupid so I guess that does it for now

FetishTom

Yes aside from the two honking bombs they dropped on Japan which kinda gave the game away

Tdog

Yes and the sheep can understand that word "pancake" so it makes sense.

I always wondered what happened to the 47 steal collums in the middle of the WTC. Wouldnt they still be standing if the floors pancaked down?

CheeseFrog

Obviously they did it. Or do you still believe it was a plane that brought down #7?

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FunForOne

not anymore than they would if an explosion had gone off.

whats your point? Illogical thinking?

Tdog

Huh, your the one that said Al Quada could have gotten in and planted explosives. Maybe with there box cutters.

I saw WTC7 fall straight down in 6.4 seconds. Then I see controlled domolition Inc. come in and clean it up in a matter of months. Only trained professionals know how to do that.

CheeseFrog

That was said tongue in cheek, as was my "maybe they shot a missile at it" comment. L2R between the lines. I don't understand what you're arguing about anyway -- it's already been proven that it #7 was intentionally brought down with demolitions and that's all public information.

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Quagmire

Just shut up, pay your taxes and watch your privacy and rights slowly vanish.

Accept that you can not change what is happening and keep consuming. Buy a Hummer. Get that big screen TV.

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That is entirely correct - the part they left out is that the pancake process depends on the Earths gravity (kinda a real basic requirement) - and for the buildings to fall in 10 seconds as shown on video and stated in the official documentation would require that the earths gravity be changed at "ground zero" for that 10 seconds to a value many many times its real value.
Ill do the calculations later today if you really want to know how long it would take - although I would have to do it assuming no friction or delay time for each floor to slow the process down as it would take days to compute the values for each as they pancaked one upon each other. So the answer will be assuming a vacuum and even that I can see right now would be way longer than 10 seconds

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CheeseFrog

So what exactly caused the towers to fall in 10 seconds (and ostensibly defying the laws of physics)? Obviously planted explosives weren't the cause. So what do you suggest caused the building to fall at a rate faster than the acceleration of gravity?

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FunForOne

LOL - "Friction"

Go ahead and do the math please. I would like to see that. I cant wait for actual number of seconds the 30th floor would slow down the fall of 70 stories of concrete and steal.

Answer: It wouldn't.


I'm not walking into any buildings that you design!

SmokeyTheBear

forget everything you know about 9/11 and focus on these 3 facts that are so strange the odds of them happening are nearly impossible ..

#1 - bush's brother was head of security at WTC complex up until sep 11 the day he quit ( actually he took his last day off )

#2 - john oneil the new head of security who took over for bush's brother was the fbi's leading terrorism/al queda expert who was forced to resign from the fbi and died on his first day on the job as wtc security head

#3 the pilot of the plane that hit the pentagon , used to work at the pentagon and several high level gov positions and PLANNED DRILLS of planes hitting the pentagon .

i mean come the fuck off, if there isnt some alarm bells ringing in your head , you must be missing something

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CheeseFrog

Yeah, I'm not too sure about this Linkster guy. At least the other conspiracy theorists had plausible scenarios. Linksters whole argument is that the event that took place and was captured on numerous video camers was physically impossible. WTF?

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ColourMeHuman

The explosives were the cause...do some basic research.

CheeseFrog

Oh I'm not arguing that explosives weren't the cause. Linkster is saying that even explosives couldn't have caused the building to fall faster than the acceleration of gravity and that gravity at ground zero must have somehow been "amplified" many times over. Fuckin nutjob that guy is.

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hehe

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CheeseFrog

So Al'Qaeda had a contingency plan, big whoop. Whats so hard to believe about them planting explosives just in case the planes weren't enough? But explosives don't affect the acceleration of gravity, which is what Linkster is saying. So it must have been brought down by some gravity amplifying device, right Linkster?

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Dvae

Thanks for the link.
Finally, an explanation that makes sense.
The lame poppycock was getting real old thats been posted here lately.

FetishTom

So you are telling me that the brother of GW Bush was head of security at WTC and his job entailed him turning up every morning to moniter CCTV screens (or whatever) at WTC?

Like one gets to be President, another runs Florida and one gets to be a desk jockey in building security.

You would have thought they could have swung him a better job or something

Thanksgiving dinners must have been a fucking hoot for the poor guy as the Bush clan swapped stories.

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Could you site your source on this?
And which brother.

directfiesta

Marvin P. Bush, the president?s younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport. The company, Burns noted, was backed by KuwAm, a Kuwaiti-American investment firm on whose board Marvin Burns also served. [Utne]

According to its present CEO, Barry McDaniel, the company had an ongoing contract to handle security at the World Trade Center "up to the day the buildings fell down."

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911security.html

But it is probably all made up .. It is not from Fox .

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200+ 9/11 'Smoking Guns'

Found in the Mainstream Media

Connecting the dots. Where do they point to?

http://killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html

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WTC7




Larry Silverstein, the WTC leaseholder, said he decided that the smartest thing to do to the WTC 7 was to "pull it" when a NYFD commander told him that he wasn't sure they were going to be able to contain the fire in the building and said after they made the decision to "pull" the WTC 7, they "watched the building collapse." The term "pull" was used to describe the demolition of the WTC 6 days later.



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This has not been mentioned yet and probably the most compelling evidence they were brought down by controlled demolition:

Scientific Analysis Proves Towers Brought Down By Incendiaries
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...icanalysis.htm

Scientific analysis on WTC steel debris undertaken by BYU Professor Steven Jones proves that the twin towers were demolished by means of incendiary devices and the release of the conclusive evidence is imminent.

The material that was first brought into question on the back of photos and video clips of the twin towers showing a dripping molten substance and floating white ash can now be confirmed as being thermate, combining thermite which is used as an incendiary device to bring down structures and sulfur, which cuts through steel quicker and leaves a yellow residue.

Pools of molten yellow metal were also found underneath both towers and Building 7 subsequent to the collapses.

"The evidence points directly to controlled demolition which means an inside job brought these World Trade Center buildings down," Jones told radio host Alex Jones in a video interview.

Jones says that, "using advanced techniques we're finding out what's in these samples - we're finding iron, sulphur, potassium and manganese - these are characteristic of a variation of thermite which is used to cut through steel very rapidly, it's called thermate."

"In order to have thermite in these buildings in this way, to help bring the buildings down, that means that thermite had to be planted in the buildings which of course implies directly and inside job - someone had to have access into the buildings," said Jones.

Linkster

Explosives dont help the acceleration of gravity - but they sure do accelerate disintegration of building materials underneath a falling object to make the friction effect negligible - therefore speeding up the collapse to near that of freefall
I never said that something didnt help gravity - I was saying there was no way gravity alone (and yes I understand that the weight of the 20 floor section was great) brought the buildings down - something helped it along

Like I said, Im not a conspiracy theorist - I just know science well enough to know that there had to be something else that caused those buildings to collapse that fast - the weight of the building collapsing on itself - no matter how damaged - coupled with gravity would have taken well over 25 seconds.

The only other fact I can find that doesnt come from conspiracy websites is that many people had photos of molten metal in the ground - and videos - and some up to 6 weeks after the collapse. Based on the fact that if all of the fuel had burned inside the building - it would have burned for 10 minutes approximately - then the office materials, furniture, and wallboard would have taken over - but none of these materials, including jet fuel or diesel fuel burn hot enough to melt metal other than aluminum and some other low strength alloyus that were not used in building skyscrapers - the only substance that is plausible would be thermite related - whatever that leads to

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Ah so he was a principal in the company that handled the security not actually turning up for work there every day as Smokey stated! lol

Love the way these conspiricy nutjobs take a fact, stand it on its head, fuck it in the ass and present it as 'proof'

Ah hell who cares I just love poking fun at these nutjobs!

WarChild

Obviously the public hasn't been told the entire truth about what happened. Some things are probably different, even if slightly, than what the official version is. Some of the conspiracy shit is just nuts though, I mean beyond stupid.

Primarily the Pentagon and the plane. Arguably, a plane hitting the Pentagon didn't increase the outrage that the public fealt by that much, given what was already happening with the WTC. What I mean here is, if nothing hit the Pentagon at all, the distaster in New York would be no less charging on the public. So if it was all a setup to control the minds of the public, what was gained by the hit on the Pentagon?

Further, when more than one solution exists for a given problem, the simplest is most often correct. So why then, fly a missile in to the Pentagon, then truck in plane parts and some passenger belongings to the Pentagon, destroy a plane full of real people somewhere in secret, and blame the whole thing on a plane. It makes no sense when you could just fly the plane in to the Pentagon. Seems a whole lot simpler and all this for very little outrage?

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So basically Smokey the Lyin Bear saw what he want to see and posted it as fact. In his post he said he was head of security and made it sound like he was on site every day til 9/11 which was to be his last day but took the day off.
What a crock of shit!!

directfiesta

I posted fact ... as I always do.

Now you and others can spin them as you wish ...

I don't give shit...

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SuckOnThis

Yea dipshit, its only left looney's that believe it was an inside job.


Here is parts of an interview I dug up with Stanley Hilton, who was a senior advisor to Sen Bob Dole and has personally known Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz for decades. You wanna call this man a looney leftist?

AJ: We'll have to recap this when we start the next hour, but just in a nutshell, you have a lawsuit going, you've deposed a lot of military officers. You know the truth of 9/11. Just in a nutshell, what is your case alleging?

SH: Our case is alleging that Bush and his puppets Rice and Cheney and Mueller and Rumsfeld and so forth, Tenet, were all involved not only in aiding and abetting and allowing 9/11 to happen but in actually ordering it to happen. Bush personally ordered it to happen. We have some very incriminating documents as well as eye-witnesses, that Bush personally ordered this event to happen in order to gain political advantage, to pursue a bogus political agenda on behalf of the neocons and their deluded thinking in the Middle East. I also wanted to point out that, just quickly, I went to school with some of these neocons. At the University of Chicago, in the late 60s with Wolfowitz and Feith and several of the others and so I know these people personally. And we used to talk about this stuff all of the time. And I did my senior thesis on this very subject - how to turn the U.S. into a presidential dictatorship by manufacturing a bogus Pearl Harbor event. So, technically this has been in the planning at least 35 years.

AJ: On the tapes and in TV interviews, they thought it was, quote, a drill.

SH: That's right. That's exactly what I said long before it became public. I've known about this since earlier in March of '03, as I stated before. This was all planned. This was a government-ordered operation. Bush personally signed the order. He personally authorized the attacks. He is guilty of treason and mass murder. And now, obstruction of justice by attempting to use a federal judge and FBI agents to inhibit a legitimate civil lawsuit in this country, in federal court. Even a chief judge in this court tried to harass and threaten me personally for representing legitimate plaintiffs. And they got Clinton for allegedly lying under oath about Paula Jones and now - look what's happening now. And Ken Starr used to be across from me in Duke Law School in the early `70s and it´s interesting that he got away with trying to get Clinton impeached, so we have a far worse criminal sitting in the oval office today - somebody guilty of mass murder as well as obstruction of justice.

AJ: Well, I mean look, they say they never heard of a plan to fly planes into buildings - said it all over television - Rice, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft. And then we find out they were running all these drills that morning. Even if they weren't involved, that proves they were liars about ever hearing of such a plan.

SH: Well, I'm trying to take their depositions - I've been trying to take their depositions for months. They've been trying to object to it. They will have to admit they were either lying then or now. It's clearly perjury either way. They are liars and perjurers; that's what they are. These are the people that we have running this government and, of course, they knew about it. How are they going to claim now that they didn't know about these drills? Their idea is that nobody knew anything. It's the old know-nothing mentality. And how anybody considers this believable is beyond me.

SH: National Security Council classified documents which [garbled] and it's was part of a series of documents that were involved with the drill documents. This was all planned - they had it on videotape. These planes were controlled by remote control, as I stated previously a year and a half ago, there's a system called Cyclops. There is a computer chip in the nose of the plane and it enables the ground control, the military ground control, to disable the pilot's control of the plane and to control it and to fly it directly into those towers. That's what happened.

The full interview is at http://www.rense.com/general57/aale.htm

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*YAWNS* One last time for you buddy, think about this LOGICALLY: There in the history of MANKIND during which we?ve had MODERN SKYSCRAPERS, there have been ZERO SKYSCRAPERS destroyed due to intense FIRE. Many FIRES have burned longer than the one in Building #7 (burned for 7 hours or so) for periods of DAYS, buildings TALLER than #7 as well. Considering that everything STRUCTUAL ENGINEERS tell us as well, a building cannot fall from FIRE ALONE. This essentially means that a modern skyscraper will NEVER FALL TO FIRE DAMAGE. Now using logic, what is the most likely event here? That a building that suffered slight damage and burned for a mere 7 hours fell to the ground, considering other buildings have suffered greater damage and burned for over a day and STILL structurally sound, or that it was otherwise setup in such a way to be taken down by a controlled group. Yeah, I thought so. You keep spewing your bullshit Mr. Oreilly, I?m sure someone somewhere is buying the fucking shit coming out of your faggoty mouth.


Yes we have already been through this Tom, you do seem to have an explanation though: MAGIC destroyed Building #7. Awesome. I love that explanation, you should totally go work for Penn&Teller, I hear they need a third wheel that will explain things using your warped view of what logic is. Oh wait, that?s the Bush Administration my bad. QUICK TOM! GO APPLY! They certainly need more people willing to lie for them! HURRY THE JOB MAY BE FILLED SOON!!! Moron.


Dear tommy boy, are you a fucking moron or do you just play one on TV? Just checking. Many things in science are not observable visually as in up close and personal ? instead, we have working theories and based on spectrums of light we can come to certain conclusions. Unlike you who evidently believes that magic governs our world and that ?anything is possible? lmao.


It explains I have flatulence. Not really a lot but coming from someone who believes in magic that?s hardly surprising you would think that way.


Tom ? I know your reading comprehension skills are fairly bad, but by ignoring that paragraph you missed out on a lot. I?ll summarize one more time and even capitalize it and bold it for you since you are such a duckweed: IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR A STEEL SKYSCRAPER TO BE DESTROYED BY FIRE ALONE BASED ON FACTUAL DATA, IN WHICH EVEN THE FEMA COMMISIONED STUDY AGREED WITH. There ya go tommy boy, hope that helped you out! And remember I wasn?t yelling either just in case you want to try and derail the thread that way. =)


See previous comments on why you are such a fucking idiotic douche bag and should really get a job at the BBB (Bush Butt Buddies).


Ok Tom: Let?s try this one more time for you and your reading disability. In our modern history we?ve had hundreds of MODERN SKYSCRAPERS catch on fire. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM stood afterwards. Not a ONE was structurally compromised. Based on this, structural engineers were able to gather data to PROVE without a SHADOW OF A DOUBT that a modern STEEL SKYSCRAPER can NOT fall because of fire damage alone. That?s what a good human being does Tom; they look at the facts and they make working theories based on the observable data. Unlike you who believe that magic governs our every waking world? you sure you are not a religious person there buddy? I really think the scientologists could use a good spin doctor such as yourself.


Garma is a giant turtle, yes that?s correct. You didn?t know who Gamara was so I tried to enlighten you, but with you being a faggotty fuck fuck I guess it was in vain eh?


Looks like you agree on this one tom tom that because of their unsubstantiated claims that that leaves way for an alternative method to which the building was destroyed rather than by fire and slight structural damage. Can you think of another way to bring down a building my dear faggot? Let?s see? a planned demolition perhaps faggy-one-Kenobi? Glad this is another issue you have conceded with, thanks pal!


DUDE keep your eyes off my JUNK, that?s the last time I?m warning you or I swear to god I will take away all of your Christina Aguilera CD?s.


Lmao, you go ahead and DISGRACE THEIR MEMORIES by saying that a group of people with BOX-CUTTERS managed to subdue an ENTIRE PLANE. God damn Bill Oreilly you are fucking SICK in the HEAD.


Since you can?t debunk shit using your so-called ?logic?, how about trying factual data? How about finding one modern skyscraper in history that has fell to fire? Oh yeah that?s right Tom, let me save you the trouble: THERE ARE NONE. Keep reaching for the stars tommy boy.


Are you a stupid mother fucking moron Tommy Boy? Wait, scratch that, I already asked that and you gave me a answer with your useless drivel miles ago. You are the one who believes in magic and that everything is possible. You are the one that keeps on hammering about ?Just because a MODERN SKYSCRAPER has NEVER FALLEN due TO INTENSE FIRE that doesn?t mean it can?t lmao I so smart tee-hee?.

It?s the same thing as you saying: ?Just because a GIANT MARTIAN COCK has NEVER BEEN SEEN doesn?t mean that it can?t exist LMAO.?. Your analogies really need some work there little buddy.


Read it twice, you say the same thing. You try to compare religion to conspiracy theories and I shoot it down quicker than the US Government should have shot down the planes full of box-cutter wielding terrorists (lmao). When I call you on it you respond and clearly show the difference yourself, that millions have died to religion and relatively none to conspiracies, which clearly prove that they are nothing alike. I love shooting down your shit tommy boy? I really do


Negatory means NO buddy. Though fuck? now that I think about it why did I expect you to know that? Sorry about that Tommy, I?ll say it in words you can understand: Deeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrr NOoooo I like PIE and PUDDDDING deeeeeeeeeeeeeeer. That better little fella?


Again, reaching here buddy. You said AND OTHERS, and I said AND OTHERS just to try and keep you up to pace. If you had said people, the AND OTHERS would have never popped up; regardless if you want I could give you some tissues, I know you have a lot of jerking off to do tonight over this thread ;)


Lmao, nice questioning there faggot, you learn that in second grade? ?You seem to enjoy looking stupid!? so if I try to respond and say ?No I don?t? it still implies I?m stupid, if I say yes then it does. So how about I use your great second grade bullshit right back at you: ?You seem to enjoy being a faggot!?. OooOoooo BURN. Seriously Tommy Boy, you should really stop posting. The more you post the more people can see the giant dickhead that you really are. Giant dickhead? lmao, I bet that just got you hard little buddy

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Shankz

Who benefited from 9-11?

I'm not a conspiracy theorist (I just lost half the audience), not someone who blindly believes whatever I'm told by the media or the government. There are crazy people on both sides. There are people who need to believe in some massive conspiracy (the so-called "conspiracy nuts") and people who want to believe the government would never lie to them (just as crazy). The media should not be believed or disbelieved as it is just a tool. I just turned on CNN minutes ago and there was a representative from Syria not answering a single question, but instead turning every "answer" into a plea for the US citizens to get our government to stop the Israeli slaughter. The media doesn't tell the truth, they simply provide a voice for those who want to talk (if it gets ratings).

Reguardless of what you believe happened and who caused it, many people, organizations, and government agencies benefited from 9/11. Just off the top of my head...

• The CIA has received a massive amount of funding to nearly all departments.
• Other government agencies have received increases in funding, including: Department of Defense, Homeland Security, FBI, etc.
• The US government?s strength has grown considerably since 9-11 by passing such resolutions as the Patriot Act.
• The contractors hired to build the new World Trade Center buildings.
• US oil companies who have been able to raise prices to match OPEC prices, which have dramatically risen due to the War on Terrorism.
• The president had an amazing boost in popularity, support, and influence throughout the world (which have since decreased).
• Alternative energy companies and researchers.
• Pakistan has received massive funding and other support in reply to its "help" with our War on Terror.
• The Northern Alliance in Afganistan was put in power in Afganistan after being just a small faction for years.
• Cable news companies have gained millions of viewers who have never before sat in front of the TV in fear all day.

Thats just what I can think of right now, but thats not even including the tons of people and businesses who have benefited from the war in Iraq.

notabook

Nice post shankz... I'm sure as soon as the haters read 'conspiracy theorist' they are going to just skip over your post in it's entirety. Anyways, I disagree with Alternative energy companies and researches really benefiting from 9-11. Coal and Nuclear tech. certainly has been funded greatly by Lord Bush because of 9-11; Nuclear tech. has gotten twenty billion dollars in research, Coal about 4 billion. The other 'real' alternative energy companies (wind/solar/hydro, etc.) have gotten less than fifty million total during the same time. I do agree that now people are looking at other fuel sources, like Ethanol stronger, but I really think that to say that they benefited 'greatly' from 9-11 is kinda a stretch.

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Shankz

Didn't they start opening up Ethanol pumps and the prices jumped higher than gasoline because the demand was so high? Sounds like everyone in that industry wants more off the top to me, which would never have boomed like this if not for all the shit going on in the Middle East.

notabook

You're right partially; the events on 9-11 ultimately lead to people looking at Ethanol in America in a more serious fashion, but eventually we would have started to look at it the same way anyways. Eventually we would have ran into the same issues in the future... 9-11 certainly facilitated the volatile state of the middle east but the current tensions going on now would have happened sooner or later; from the looks of the state of things, sooner is the key word there.

I personally bought into the whole Ethanol band wagon and bought a shitload of stock in ADM? one of the biggest stock mistakes of my life. That?s not to say the stock is worthless; it?s just that the stock hasn?t moved much for me. I want to hold on to it because of the tensions in the middle east but honestly it?s a lot of money and I would really like to sell it =\ Fucking 9-11.

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Shankz

Oh I forgot to mention corn farmers. Those vicious farmers.