Dvae

The ABC mini-series about events leading up to 9/11
http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/TV/0...vie/index.html

What is he afraid of, that the truth about what happened during his administration?
How many chances he had to kill OBL but did not have the guts?
His legacy?

Can you imagine the uproar if GWB had complained about the series?
And you can bet they won't hold anything back in that respect so why should Clinton get any kid glove treatment?

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It's just politics as usual

Niklas

mm.. its not even supposed to be a documentary right? so I would understand the guy's concern as a lot of people will probably watch it as a documentary. Just look at the original poster.

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Atticus

It's a docudrama. Many people (as evident by the initial poster) will take it as fact. I would have serious problems if my name and "legacy" was dragged through the mud as well.

Sarah_Jayne

They already showed it on the BBC tonight but I didn't watch it.

notabook

I could have sworn that they (democrats) were upset because this is a mockumentary (or a docudrama) that combines some real information with a lot of dramatized scenes, with some of the scenes being completely fictional? This seems almost identical to the stuff that Michael Moore has been doing in his shitty movies.

The writer, Cyrus Nowrasteh (a very staunch Republican), stated at the very beginning "In my writing and directing, I don?t want to just be a conservative version of Michael Moore"? yet it seems vibrantly clear that Mr. Nowrasteh is doing EXACTLY what Moore is/has been doing lmao. Talking about the pot calling the kettle black.

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Dvae

I know its a dramatization, which seems if Clinton knows that whats he worried about?

Protect his legacy at all cost?
Its not a good one and not much of one so, big deal.

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stickyfingerz

History channel already did a good portion of this with Target Bin Laden a few years ago. That got hidden quick too. Funny they dont like it when they bring facts to light of what Clinton really did.

Dvae

Thats not all he said:
It sounds damming untll you read the statement in context.
http://www.libertyfilmfestival.com/l...ndex.php?p=462

GM: What do you think of Michael Moore?

CN: To quote Team America, he?s an out of control socialist weasel (laughs). Listen. I?m probably more of a libertarian than a strict conservative. In my writing and directing, I don?t want to just be a conservative version of Michael Moore. I?m here to tell a good story first and foremost - and that?s why I can navigate the networks and get my work produced.

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Tempest

5 years after the fact, what good does it do to "blame" Clinton... Peoples actions often look stupid in the light of hindsite. So seriously.. why now?

websiex

A lot of people will take it as fact (as indicated by the OP), and it will hurt Bill Clinton's image possibly. If I was being blamed for the biggest disaster ever (in US), when it wasn't my fault, I'd argue against the false claims too.

RF_Erick

Any elections soon?

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Actually in full context it makes him sound way.. WAY worse lmao. So he calls MM a control socialist weasel, dogging him (sure he?s using a movie quote to do it but it?s obvious what he thinks) then he goes around and does the SAME DAMN THING that Michael Moore does in his films lmao. In full context it shows just how much of a hypocritical jackass that guy truly is.

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edgeprod

Michael Moore got a pass for shit that was clearly made the fuck up. ABC makes a DRAMA about 9/11 and gets shit from the Clinton camp? Give me a fucking break, it's so lame.

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This is difficult.

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nico-t

o fuck may I laugh a lil louder then normal? How the FUCK can any government fuck up worse then the Bush admin? That's right, none. He already got impeached for letting his cock suck by some broad, and Bush never got shit for sending 1000's of soldiers to their deaths. This is truly too fucking funny.

Bush supporters, or any fucking government supporter, is a fucking SHEEP.

nico-t

nope, it's not.

Dvae

I disagree, but you are enttiled to your opinion as am I.
Michael Moore is a fuckin socialist who hates America, would not know the truth if it stared him in the face.
He gets off on humiliating people he disagrees with.

Cyrus at least uses the facts to base the series on, as put forth by the 9/11 commission. The Dems have been clammering to put their recommendations in to play. Now they're crying foul.

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shining a spotlight on your ineptness is certainly different than having your "legacy" drug through the mud.

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First, Moore didn't get a pass. He was vigorously attacked by the right for his movie. So much so that Bush's dad's investment group actually bought up a chain in theatres in the south so that it wouldn't show down there. Moore sparked a cottage industry of people that wrote books, started websites and made movies that slammed his film.

Second, this movie is supposedly a docudrama so it is based on true events, but has some fictionalized accounts in it. One of the executive producers on the movie is a republican governor that was part of the 9/11 commission and he himself said that much of it is not accurate. However, there are a lot of people out there that don't realize this. They will watch is and take it as fact. If it's me and there is a movie coming out based on some things I was involved in that was fiction and made me look bad you can bet that I would fight.

Lastly, this is politics as usual and I think it's no coincidence that this show is being broadcast two months before an election. A little while back there was a TV movie about Reagan that didn't paint him in a very good light and the republicans flipped out about it and eventually pressured the network to not air it. but now that Clinton is fighting something he doesn't like somehow that is bad.

to me this mini series is nothing more than a 4 hour election commercial. The repubs can say, " see how weak the democrats are on terrorism? We're better vote for us."

It's all pretty bad.

That said I think any docudrama shouldn't be made. Either make a fictional account of something or make a real factual documentary.

DaddyHalbucks

Clinton is the worst piece of shit to ever occupy the White House.

His legacy reaks.

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nico-t

I agree, Bush is much better.

1200mics

i want to see those series .. to bad i don't have ABC

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Dvae

The legacy is set in history he can't change what is.
source:http://prorev.com/legacy.htm
See what I mean:

RECORDS SET
- The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates*
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- First president accused of rape.
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- First president to be held in contempt of court
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
- First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court

OTHER MATTERS INVESTIGATED BY SPECIAL PROSECUTORS
AND CONGRESS
OR REPORTED IN THE MEDIA

Bank and mail fraud
violations of campaign finance laws
illegal foreign campaign funding
improper exports of sensitive technology
physical violence and threats of violence
solicitation of perjury
intimidation of witnesses
bribery of witnesses
attempted intimidation of prosecutors
perjury before congressional committees
lying in statements to federal investigators and regulatory officials
flight of witnesses
obstruction of justice
bribery of cabinet members
real estate fraud
tax fraud
drug trafficking
failure to investigate drug trafficking
bribery of state officials
use of state police for personal purposes
exchange of promotions or benefits for sexual favors
using state police to provide false court testimony
laundering of drug money through a state agency
false reports by medical examiners and others investigating suspicious deaths
the firing of the RTC and FBI director when these agencies were investigating Clinton and his associates
failure to conduct autopsies in suspicious deaths
providing jobs in return for silence by witnesses
drug abuse
improper acquisition and use of 900 FBI files
improper futures trading
murder
sexual abuse of employees
false testimony before a federal judge
shredding of documents
withholding and concealment of subpoenaed documents
fabricated charges against (and improper firing of) White House employees
inviting drug traffickers
foreign agents and participants in organized crime to the White House.

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I like you!

I noticed that too! Wow a thread that sees some light!

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nico-t

Yes, we all know getting yout cock sucked by a girl is much worse then starting a world wide war based on lies. I'm sorry for not understanding that in the first place.

Dvae

The Reagan miniseries is hardly a fair comparison.
I mean heres a guy who as President was respected by a huge amout of people all over the world, who was at the time that CBS wanted to air it in the throws of alzheimers.
That was stooping pretty low and they did the right thing by pulling it.

If he was able to defend himself it would be different story.

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edgeprod

And it came out -- lies and all.

Let the ABC thing have the same courtesy -- at least it's BASED on truth, and not some conspiracy bullshit.

tony286

Do you make shit up as you go along? The reason the right wanted the Reagan miniseries pulled because it showed the Reagans for the way they really were a very dysfunctional family and they got it pulled. Those are facts unlike the 911 docudrama. Also for those who say MM makes shit up go to his site and he shows everything in his last film where he got it from and links to go to see it in the original form. They fuck with Michael because he hits a nerve if he was this wacko no one would care.

edgeprod

I sure do!

You have some good points in there, though.

Dvae

No way. I didn't make it up.
From the CNN website
CBS believed it had ordered a love story about Ronald and Nancy Reagan with politics as a backdrop, but instead got a film that crossed the line into advocacy, said a network executive who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

Read the rest here:
http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/TV/1...bs.reagans.ap/

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directfiesta

Nothing new .. This administration and its henchmen re-write history to fit their goals ..
I suppose that it was Clinton that had a CIA memo in August 2001 about OBL and/or terrorists planing to highjack planes...

Dawn Bill

THe Albright passage about her warning the Pakistanis about an operation is a lie also ...

But the sheeps will be kept in a pac by the sheppard's dogs....

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Dvae

As has been stated numerous times its a docudrama, don't get your panties in a bunch.
Albright didn't but the Joint Chiefs of Staff did warn them.

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Yep its a docudrama being promoted as fact and a documentary. The Clintons just want the untruths (stuff bended or made up for drama on tv) to be removed.

Same thing happened with the Regans story that took many liberties to make it interesting for tv. Some facts, a lot of non-facts for entertainement being promoted as fact.

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directfiesta

So then why depict that it is her ???? any agenda there ???? Might as well say Bush was the leaker in the CIA case, even if not true...

BTW, who refused to put 600 troops in Tora Bora, as asked by the CIA operatives during the hunt for OBL ... ? Clinton ?

Yesterday night, on CNN, there was a 2 hour documentary ( with actual footage ... ) on OBL ( tough they skipped the USA-OBL-Afghanistan situation ) ...
There were so many warnings of what was cooking on the back burner ....

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Dvae

Since when has Clinton cared about the truth?


The guy is practically in a vegetative state and they wanted to show something that had little to do with the truth or accuracy.
CBS even admiited it wasn't what they had in mind when they ordered the project.


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jacked

you realize the reason why he came out and "blasted" them was because they are including things in the docu drama that are fictional and don't hold up to what actually happend on 9/11 he's not trying to censor the mini series....

it was on the news a few days ago and the studio released a statement saying that no one had seen the final cut and they would be making more changes to it in the days before the release of it...

i could see why he would want them to tell the truth about the day why blow smoke up the american peoples asses...? we all know what happend that day so why make things up just to make the docudrama "interesting"

bah not even going to watch that fucking garbage

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Waveu6410

Are you being sarcastic?

If not, you have what's called delusional disorder.

Sarah_Jayne

Regardless of the poltics, it just strikes me as odd that there is any need for a fictional 'docudrama' about 911. I would think the real stories are dramatic enough with out having to make more things up.

notabook

I agree about letting ABC having free reign to play it as I believe in free speech. On the same token, those who complain about it have full right as well because of it being a docudrama or a mockumentary. Your statement "at least it's BASED on truth" is quite fallacious however; most of content of the ABC show is either extremely dramatized or simply completely fictitious (as in made-up). The writer of the show, Cyrus Nowrasteh, is nothing more than the republican version of Michael Moore -- take whatever he says the same way as you would Moore.

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I agree, with the scope of 9/11 all that is needed is a ONE documentry. Included would be true accounts from survivors and plenty of stories of the people who died that day.

smashface

Whenever something goes wrong, the right wing looks to the past and begins to blame Clinton. This is another example.

And as others have said, many people - like the 40+% of the American public which still believes that Saddam Hussein was tied to Al Quaida, will believe that what they see tonight is real. Even though many of the people involved have already denounced the "facts" posed in this movie.

mardigras

I find it interesting how they are showing it... tonight is 3 hours commercial free... Tomorrow they will play 1 hour of the movie, cut to George Bush live for 20 minutes, then conclude with the remaining 37 minutes of the movie.

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If this bullshit had to do with Bush fucking things up and the facts not being right the republicans would be asking it to be pulled as well. This is an example of why this country will never come together like we should. Way to many people see it as a democrat or republican thing. We should work together as Americans and ask for the truth no matter who is in office. They are there to serve us. I love my country and both republicans and democrats are fucking it up. We need people in power that want to do what is right for the people not thier oil buddies or their other million special interest groups. But we all know that will never happen and I think that's sad.

kane

I never argued whether or not Moore's movie was factually accurate or not. You said Moore got a pass and I simply pointed out that that was not the case.

As for ABC airing it, I support free speech and if they feel that airing this movie is exercising their freedoms of speech than I think they should go ahead and do it. There is a difference though. If you wanted to see Moore's movie you had to buy a ticket and go to the theatre or buy/rent it on DVD. with this movie anyone with a TV and an antenna can watch it so the audience may be much larger and the damage done much greater.

I would hope if ABC doesn't edit the movie and fix the problems that they will air a disclaimer before/during it to say that some things were fictionalized.

tony286

wait the media is all liberal lol Clinton is old history what he did or didnt do, its been 5 yrs since 911 and bin laden is still running around.How does that not piss off the right wing sheep?????????? This man was responsible for the death of 3000 americans and not the number 1 priority of this administration.

smashface

I agree with you about free speech but they have been given a tremondous resource - radio spectrum - and were once required to air opposing views and educational/worthy programming. Granted that with cable the spectrum isnt as valuable but damn if they give it up willingly.

The networks don't do enough to sponsor and promote responsible political discourse.

And as to the disclaimer, it will be in 6px type and be onscreen for about 12 frames.

MetaMan

uhh it is not supposed to be factual you will have stupid people like you calling it real after it has aired.

it does no one any good by airing something that will only create mass confusion and false info.

ronbotx

"Are there any men left in Washington, or are they all cowards?"......

That quote from the movie sums up the anti-terrorism policy of the Clinton administration. Multiple chances to take out Bin-Laden, too weak and indecisve to follow thru...

HAPPYPEEKERS

yes.. bush is much much better lololol

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