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What am I doing wrong here? (PICTURES)
I was told by people who know these things that as my traffic grew my conversions ratios would worsen and have been following my stats very closely.
Over the last few months traffic has risen by about 5% every month. But look at the conversions ratios over the last few weeks, weeks in which traffic has greatly increased. ![]() September 03 to September 09 = 1-656 ![]() September 10 to September 16 = 1-481 ![]() September 17 to September 23 = 1-532 ![]() September 24 to September 30 = 1-426 ![]() October 01 to October 07 = 1-321. This was last week, let's hope this contnues. Also what is nice is the form click ratios. They have improved over the last 5 weeks as well. |
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Thats great keep it up
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nice ratios
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Paul you might want to remove your account numbers from the screenshots too? Just a thought, though :0
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Looking great! Keep up whatever you are doing!!
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Don't complain !!
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Anyone who clicked his link on any site would know his account number. It would be differrent if he was posting as anonymous.
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We are very happy with them, as are the few affiliates we have. I appreciate that as we get a lot of TGP submitters the ratios will fall. But these include our Chameleon auto submit traffic.
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You are alright, keep going!
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Good theory, got one that makes any sense? Yes I know my numbers are small compared to many sites, but look at the way the ratio is improving and take my word the traffic is increasing. I will tell you the reason, IMHO, we opened the site so the surfers can see what they are getting. Nothing flash, nothing clever and nothing hidden. They are increasingly trusting us and the same traffic sources are getting better and better sign up ratios. Will they get worse over all if I get 100 gallery submitters sending us traffic? Of course they would, but would they do as badly as some others? Got a few ideas up my sleeve to improve it even further. While many work on getting more traffic I work on getting more from the traffic I have. |
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nice stats.
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Nice. I'm 0:3260 on all of my CCBill programs since the 1st.
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http://paulmarkhamcash.com/gallery/t...6-0003/123456/ Even has the site number withing CCBILL |
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Ratio's looking good, man. Keep that up.
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Besides, I see you spamming your program almost everyday *personally, I've nothing against that* and begging for those 100 submitters, so it's not like you don't know what we're talking about here. |
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good ratios
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don't seem bad to me>
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Maybe I should be spamming people my site is saturated with affiliates and their ratios will be crap and then Alan will be happy. ![]() Interesting concept, can you show me your paysite? |
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Your Creative spam gets a rating of : 7/10
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I'm at a pretty sweet 0:0, so what's up now?
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As for me being happy about how you do biz... honestly, I couldn't care less. I gave you some advice and this is not the first time. It may be a good advice. Maybe not. You do whatever you want. But my happiness is not related to you or your sites. Philosophically speaking, not even related to my own sites. Besides, I've the feeling neither you, nor me, nor any other aff program owner is doing this for fun, or a big good heart, or whatever. YOU, ME and the NEIGHBORS are doing this for money, not because of our good hearts, so cut the crap, OK? And about my paysites... let's assume I don't have any. Not of anyone's business. Does it make a difference? Whenever I decide to discuss about my sites, then I'll tell you. Again: I made you a question, by your answer I assume you prefer 1 sale on 1:1 rather than 100 sales on 1:2000. Since I can't believe it, I'll ask you again: do you prefer money or statistics? It's a simple question, it's a simple answer as well but depending on that answer your sites will make you shitloads of money... or beautiful stats. fwiw, just my ![]() PS: if that helps, my conversion stats are way better than yours... and I'm always trying to increase my profits |
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I'm constantly told by people, our content is saturated, it has to "exclusive", teens don't convert and tours have to be like the other 10,000 other tours out there. So I do things my way and with our non exclusive teen content, and a tour that is nothing clever we get good ratios in a major Niche. Some in the Micro or Sub Niches will laugh at our conversion rates and retention, but they will not get the traffic we get. What this thread is about is it does not have to be done the way 10,000 other sites tell you it has to be done to succeed. Our traffic will continue to grow I'm sure and one day we will make the decision of whether it's time to close the content store and go the route everyone else goes. Then carry on in our own way. Others can read it and think about what route they want to take. And you pose questions, which I answered, so here is one for you. Would affiliates prefer a site doing 1000 sign ups a day at a ratio 1-10,000 or a site doing 300 a day at a ratio of 1-365? Glad you work on your ratios as well. |
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Sounds great. Can we hear from an affiliate who is doing good with you?
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Another scenario: you have the best content ever made and some (or all ) webmaster(s) is sendind blind links or very crappy traffic. Is the program bad or what stinks is the quality of traffic? Another one: I'm an affiliate, have shitloads of 404 traffic, so I decide to send it to some sponsor. Of course, my ratios will suck ball. However, let's say I have 1 mil 404 uniques, and even converting at 1:10000 I'll be making 100 sales a day, which with whale numbers would mean like 5k a day for traffic that you can buy (in this case this webmaster would sell) for $1.2 per K. So, as an affiliate, I'm very happy. You, as sponsor, will be torn between the 100 sales (that you love) and the server almost DOSed with that crappy 404 traffic and freeloaders. (btw, this is not a hipothetical scenario, I did this myself) In the end, the answer is always, always the same: what matters is how much money ends in your pocket |
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Do you give credit for the paymonde joins? I remember you made a thread, look how good we are, we REMOVED the paymonde link...And now it's back...
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congrats paul, that's the way to go
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i tend to disagree with whoever said that more visitors - less conversion.
First of all, i've seen with mainstream that more visitors - better conversion precentages....why? nobody really knows. I guess it's one those weird internet thingies. Anyways, it's good to see that your conversions are this high. Says alot about the value of your program and also of all the time you spend making it better for us as webmasters. Good work Paul |
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Thomas of Adult reviews did post in another spam of mine, whoops I meant post of mine, ![]() I best not tell you what he did over the weekend, but it was good. As Alan points out because he works for us does not mean others will find it as good for them. Helping an affiliate at this very moment, he's changing his gallery a bit, trying to give him some advice. As stupid and pointless as my advice will. ![]() Whether my site works for you or not is something you have to find out for yourself, that is the downside. |
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The route I'm taking is to try in my own way to work with the traffic I have and build slowly. We will see more sign ups, affiliates will see more sign ups and the progress will be slower but more steady. Whether I succeed or not, only time will tell. |
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Do you think it's better to be having 1000s of affiliates sending traffic to a poorly converting site so we can make more money? Why do you and him hate affiliates so much? Yes it would be great if we had an enormous base of affiliates driving traffic to a poorly converting site. Any bright ideas how we get to that situation? If you know how, go try it yourself because it's not a method I want to try. What strange ideas some of you guys have. I quite clearly show a good ratio for the few affiliates I have, and I never said I had 1000s of them, and Alan goes on and on about me not having enough affiliates and I would be better off with a bad site and lots of poorly performing traffic. Yes I would be better off. I would be better off if I was 35 with the knowledge I have as a 56 year old, but why wish for the impossible? No clues on how to find all these affiliates prepared to send so much traffic but then that is the level of their argument. Then Justsex. Who is totally wrong. If I'm doing so well and ripping off so many think of what this site is really converting at. No you are wrong and thinking without using logic. The truth is since August 30th we have done 12 sign ups on My Virtual Card. Equate that with the 65% base rate we pay. Even Alan and Beemk can see that a 12 is not a huge slice, include rejoins and you can see I'm paying well. This thread proves that some are scared that with a small investment anyone with a bit of porn knowledge can open a site and get it running very profitably within months. With no traffic or affiliates skills I've provided a site that converts well for the few affiliates who send traffic. What are you guys scared of, that more good affiliates will follow my route? |
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wow, you're really something, huh? when the fuck did I say
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Is that clear? well, then move on to the next step: you are talking about YOU as a program owner. You never mentioned AFFILIATES as a discussion subject, but YOU as a PROGRAM OWNER. It's very boring to do all this bold thing, but since you insist in playing dumb, I find no other way to make YOU understand YOUR OWN WORDS That's right, I stated 1:10000 conversions to make a point, to make it even more clear. Do you know many programs with these ratios? Of course you don't. That's called a HYPERBOLE, to avoid you continuing playing dumb, I'll be VERY OBVIOUS: Quote:
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Pimpdog did it for many years and his program's conversions are way worse than your ratios, and still he has an affiliate base thousands bigger than yours, so maybe it works. btw, you owe me for all the wasted time |
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Also 25PPS... Is that based on a <5USD trial or based on a full join? Also I think it's good that you opened a paysite...First of all I know it's full with content, which is good for surfers...They will like it, and they might join another paysite...In case they got a crappy site, they might think twice...
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We don't do trials, thought about for a long time and came up with the conclusion they were not for us. Might be right, might be wrong. I think they have a negative side to them that a good site does not need, also after people have seen inside the site if they still need a trial maybe they should go elsewhere. Alan. ![]() You wasted your time by saying nothing. I am now looking for other teens sites to trade traffic with, that is the tiny minute traffic I have, probably 10 hits a week. ![]() |
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I think you are wasting your money and time.
Maybe buy a better cam and stick with your original biz - after all you see it far more profitable. Just my personal oppinion based on opening few paysites in the past...... Anyway good luck with the site - at least you are able to make your plans working ![]()
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We are basically content producers, not content store owners, magazine shooters, DVD content suppliers or anything else. We are all those and a paysite owner, we earn from content store, magazines, phones, DVDs and now a paysite and soon more paysites. Why restrict yourself to one outlet? As you can clearly see by these ratios restricting those other sales would be madness for us. Yes as more and more affiliates join us and send us high numbers of poor traffic the ratios will suffer. But I will always work on getting them better and not at the "Keep throwing more mud at the wall approach" If you want to discuss something discuss this. If we can improve our ratios why don't others in the industry work at it, instead of just raising the numbers of clicks? Why do so many adopt the approach of numbers over quality? Do they not see the future is in having satisfied surfers rather than disgruntled ones, a future where surfers can see the benefits of membership sites over free porn? I'm assuming for this that industry conversion ratios are worsening and I'm sure some sites will tell us how well they are doing and will provide us with a link so we can all sign up to them. By the way my members love your stuff. ![]() |
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