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scottybuzz · 10-15-2006, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by will76

I first posted on this about 2 weeks ago. Initially most people said that my posts would fade away in 2 days and that no one cared.

You have my sigwhore bumping to thank for that

jimthefiend · 10-15-2006, 06:33 AM

Why isnt that whore Missie all over this?

Worldnet · 10-15-2006, 06:48 AM

OK, what programs are using Zango? Is there a list in a thread here? I'm dropping every dam sponsor using it.

Damian_Maxcash · 10-15-2006, 07:04 AM

1. Lars does nothing, ignores Zango - Affiliates lose sales, Lars loses sales - Zango wins

2. Lars buys spots - Affiliates lose sales, Lars recoups some lost traffic (and can afford nice bonuses) - Zango wins

3. Suggested by Will - Lars buys "blank" pops - Affiliates gain on sales but lose on bonuses because Lars is paying money to Zango - Zango wins

Anyone seeing a pattern here?

Do you think perhaps we are fighting with the wrong people?

Babaganoosh · 10-15-2006, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by damian2001

1. Lars does nothing, ignores Zango - Affiliates lose sales, Lars loses sales - Zango wins

2. Lars buys spots - Affiliates lose sales, Lars recoups some lost traffic (and can afford nice bonuses) - Zango wins

3. Suggested by Will - Lars buys "blank" pops - Affiliates gain on sales but lose on bonuses because Lars is paying money to Zango - Zango wins

Anyone seeing a pattern here?

Do you think perhaps we are fighting with the wrong people?

4. Lars announces a policy that AFF will not deal with Zango in the future and will ToS any affiliate sending traffic through Zango or similar sources. - AFF wins in the eyes of its affiliates

Damian_Maxcash · 10-15-2006, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

4. Lars announces a policy that AFF will not deal with Zango in the future and will ToS any affiliate sending traffic through Zango or similar sources. - AFF wins in the eyes of its affiliates

and that brings us right back to number 1. again.

AFF affiliates lose traffic to sexsearch or whoever else buys it - Lars loses money as well and Zango wins.

free4porn · 10-15-2006, 07:13 AM

late sig

kenny · 10-15-2006, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Worldnet

OK, what programs are using Zango? Is there a list in a thread here? I'm dropping every dam sponsor using it.

I've been waiting for such a list myself.

I'm thinking about infecting a computer and making my own list.

agaysex · 10-15-2006, 09:17 AM

I not understand why to much discussion here because it very clear about scamware "zango"/simular and aff.

very easy business model :

1. AFF buy scamware traffic, which stollen from his affiliates.
2. affiliates get less income and switch to more well paid programs.
3. AFF get less and less traffic from affiliates and zango
4. ooops. and no more traffic for AFF. Need to open new company, start again with affiliates/etc.

perfect self-killing business plan! And key here - traffic goes from affiliate sites anyway, zango just change id/cookie - but not have own traffic sources.

Key for affiliates - if company buy traffic from scamware/zango - it own affiliates cheating. Never particulate at this program, find the alternative.

PS : I cannot believe what AFF doing it. If it was some small program - not a big trouble, but AFF!?

mortenb · 10-15-2006, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by damian2001

1. Lars does nothing, ignores Zango - Affiliates lose sales, Lars loses sales - Zango wins

2. Lars buys spots - Affiliates lose sales, Lars recoups some lost traffic (and can afford nice bonuses) - Zango wins

3. Suggested by Will - Lars buys "blank" pops - Affiliates gain on sales but lose on bonuses because Lars is paying money to Zango - Zango wins

Anyone seeing a pattern here?

Do you think perhaps we are fighting with the wrong people?

How about AFF announce that they won't work with spyware again and that they have their legal team force Zango and similar spyware programs to add their sites to their list of banned bid words.

elasticatedman · 10-15-2006, 09:58 AM

Zango has been ripping off mainstream advertisers for years, an dno doubt a good slice of income came from the gambling sites. Now, with online gambling being a thing o fthe past (in the US) they're re-focusing on porn.
This could be an opportunity for the porn industry to smash zango and gain some kudos in the mainstream.
Smash them anyway - fuck kudos.

Pleasurepays · 10-15-2006, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by damian2001

and that brings us right back to number 1. again.

AFF affiliates lose traffic to sexsearch or whoever else buys it - Lars loses money as well and Zango wins.

how does he "lose" sales by not buying scumware traffic and robbing affiliates?

thats like saying i lose sales by not standing in central park and taking 3000 people hostage with truckload of explosives and demanding joins.

BV · 10-15-2006, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by jimthefiend

Why isnt that whore Missie all over this?

that's an interesting point.

Tuga · 10-15-2006, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

how does he "lose" sales by not buying scumware traffic and robbing affiliates?

thats like saying i lose sales by not standing in central park and taking 3000 people hostage with truckload of explosives and demanding joins.

He loses because other companies popup over AFF traffic, do you even know what zango is?

Damian_Maxcash · 10-15-2006, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

how does he "lose" sales by not buying scumware traffic and robbing affiliates?

thats like saying i lose sales by not standing in central park and taking 3000 people hostage with truckload of explosives and demanding joins.

This what I think people are missing......

If someone dosnt bid with an AFF ad it will just pop up an ad for sexsearch or another affiliate program.

So a surfer lands on AFF with your ref code and all of a sudden its SexSeach they are seeing - your not getting paid either way - there isnt a lot AFF can do about that.

Why shouldnt AFF recoup some of that loss? - the traffic was meant for them.

You arnt going to see that sale anyway at that point.

If AFF get some back then at least they are making cash that they can afford to give affiliates in the form of bonuses.

Its just lost money otherwise.

Paul Markham · 10-15-2006, 10:59 AM

There is no solution at present. If it's the sponsor doing it, he's doing it to protect his traffic. If an affiliate does it, he's doing it as an alternative method of getting traffic.

So far no one has come up with anything approaching a solution and the "Expert" I contacted could be working for the adware companies. The way she scared from downloading and testing the scripts. Or what ever they are called.

So I'm going to be devils advocate here and pitch the other sides argument.

10 or so years ago the business was a few sites converting at ratios sites would give their right arm to get today. Lot less traffic, lot less competition and no affiliates to speak of. Then it all changed and the situation was live with it, use it or die.

So now we have a situation where ever affiliate expects 50% of a paysites revenue from joins, free hosting, free content, free galleries, free banners, bonus payments and more. Plus marketing and endless support. So what do affiliates cost?

Let's say 33% of a sites joins revenue or to keep it simple $10.00 a month a sign up. With all the support it think it might be even more.

So can a sponsor get a sign up from companies like Zango for $10.00 or less?

Who loses?

The sponsor. Not really the traffic exists and unless you believe all the free content on the Internet generates rather then hurts sign ups removing all the free content would be a help.

The surfer, no he can still find his porn.

The TGP site and LL owner. Yes, but he will be intelligent enough to realise this is the time to compete. Some will and some will not.

Affiliates, see the above.

Will adware companies screw with surfers computers? Only if they want to scare the life out of the surfer from using them.

And affiliates before you argue that the traffic will simply dry up because you are not here, let me say this. You do not create traffic, unless free porn is contributing rather than hurting the Adult Net, you are merely directing EXISTING traffic.

Yes many of you will suffer, however if you had a site paying you $40 and a site paying $35 for exactly the same join/traffic/etc. where would you send it? Sponsors are doing the same.

I WAS MERELY BEING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE FOR THE OTHER SIDE, I WELCOME THE ARGUMENT FOR THE PROSECUTION.

Personally I think free porn does create traffic and joins, and I have stated so many time. I believe the affiliate situation levels the playing field and allows many site to exist that would not survive under other circumstances. But I was not pitching my beliefs.

Pleasurepays · 10-15-2006, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by damian2001

This what I think people are missing......

If someone dosnt bid with an AFF ad it will just pop up an ad for sexsearch or another affiliate program.

So a surfer lands on AFF with your ref code and all of a sudden its SexSeach they are seeing - your not getting paid either way - there isnt a lot AFF can do about that.

Why shouldnt AFF recoup some of that loss? - the traffic was meant for them.

You arnt going to see that sale anyway at that point.

If AFF get some back then at least they are making cash that they can afford to give affiliates in the form of bonuses.

Its just lost money otherwise.

its not AFF thats "losing" .... its the affiliate thats busting his ass to generate that traffic thats "losing". How does that hit belong to AFF when they didn't generate it? it belongs to the affiliate until that affiliate sells it.

Damian_Maxcash · 10-15-2006, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

its not AFF thats "losing" .... its the affiliate thats busting his ass to generate that traffic thats "losing". How does that hit belong to AFF when they didn't generate it? it belongs to the affiliate until that affiliate sells it.

You have lost it anyway!! I dont how many other ways I can put it.

If they have Zango you lose the sale if AFF buy it or not....

It will just go to another dating sponsor!

Missie · 10-15-2006, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So far no one has come up with anything approaching a solution and the "Expert" I contacted could be working for the adware companies. The way she scared from downloading and testing the scripts. Or what ever they are called.

I didn't even read all your post I stopped after this paragraph.

That comment is totally unfounded and based on you not understanding how adware really works. Kellie has the highest reputation in this field, she has been doing this for many years and whatever she said to you was PRECISE AND EXACT.

She has to be extremely careful when she does testing so that she doesn't propagate incorrect information.

The fact that you say that she could be working for the adware comanies is LUDICROUS. I can't believe anyone would ever say that!!!!

Just try to understand what she told you rather than brush it off as too hard or too much work. I told you that testing for scumware activity was a lot more than just installing the application on your computer.

Your comment made me very angry! We try to help you as much as possible and you don't even try to understand any of it.

Missie

Brujah · 10-15-2006, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by damian2001

You have lost it anyway!! I dont how many other ways I can put it.

If they have Zango you lose the sale if AFF buy it or not....

It will just go to another dating sponsor!

The way I understand it, you are wrong.

You definitely lose if they look for AFF and AFF pops over top of your link. You lose less often if another dating sponsor pops up. There's still the chance that they'll close the competitors window and go with the one that matched what they were looking for instead.

People are just trying to find ways to get the sponsors behind NOT PAYING people who steal traffic with Zango or similiar products. This should probably be the priority, and not a situation where you just shrug and participate.

Damian_Maxcash · 10-15-2006, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

The way I understand it, you are wrong.

You definitely lose if they look for AFF and AFF pops over top of your link. You lose less often if another dating sponsor pops up. There's still the chance that they'll close the competitors window and go with the one that matched what they were looking for instead.

People are just trying to find ways to get the sponsors behind NOT PAYING people who steal traffic with Zango or similiar products. This should probably be the priority, and not a situation where you just shrug and participate.

I dont think anyone should just shrug and participate either, but while we wait for a solution we have to make the best out of a bad situation.

Paul Markham · 10-15-2006, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Missie

I didn't even read all your post I stopped after this paragraph.

That comment is totally unfounded and based on you not understanding how adware really works. Kellie has the highest reputation in this field, she has been doing this for many years and whatever she said to you was PRECISE AND EXACT.

She has to be extremely careful when she does testing so that she doesn't propagate incorrect information.

The fact that you say that she could be working for the adware comanies is LUDICROUS. I can't believe anyone would ever say that!!!!

Just try to understand what she told you rather than brush it off as too hard or too much work. I told you that testing for scumware activity was a lot more than just installing the application on your computer.

Your comment made me very angry! We try to help you as much as possible and you don't even try to understand any of it.

Missie

Then read it yourself.

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I'm going to repeat this again and try to be very clear about it. If you take an old computer, hook it up to your network to get Internet access, start loading it up with all kinds of apps to test, then you now have a HUGE security risk for your network. Now if you don't really care if your customer db gets compromised, your customer credit card info is stolen, your financial information exposed, your computers on your Network are turned into spam bots or even worse zombie boxes to launch dDOS attacks......then man go knock yourself out. It's a reality about the kinds of software you will be coming in contact with. There are some really malicious software out there. And that's not me just blowing hot air your way. Just last week I had a trojan piggyback install on a particular adware application I wanted to install. It turned the computer into a spam zombie trying to send out hundreds of spam emails from my computer over my ISP. It also trashed the LSP at the next computer reboot. Because I had my system set up correctly the trojan didn't infect itself across my network onto all my computers, I was able to kill the outgoing spam as soon as it started happening and I was able to restore my operating system and the test environment within a few minutes. I didn't have to completely reformat the hard drive, which is what would have to be done if it had installed on an unprotected testing system. There are accepted standards to setting up testing computers to provide security of system, efficiency in testing and accuracy of testing. How is educating you to that fact so you are protected saying don't bother and you might as well just join adware instead of fighting them? If I felt that way, I wouldn't have been fighting them for 5 years now, putting myself at considerable legal risks I might add.

"The other thing sponsors can do is to learn about many of the common tactics different adware use. This information can then be used to set up red flags from your own back-end systems. There are times that bad behavior can be picked up from information within your own stats and logs."

That's saying don't bother and just join the adware companies how?? Is it a magic catch all solution? No, because again unfortunately there ISN'T a magic catch all solution. And that's from years of very knowledgeable programmers and security firms looking for ways to combat this crap. But it is a more global approach and a more proactive approach. There are numerous things that will show in your traffic and stat logs which can be used to flag you to bad behavior. Ping Ben from MoreNiche on this one. I've assisted them along these lines.

GUID and time stamp your cookies and you'll catch a lot of the crap right there. Not all of it, but a lot of it. Talk about that technique publicly and everyone who is already using it will lose the benefit of the techniques because adware folks will rapidly adapt to the detection measure. It's being used quite effectively by some major players in mainstream affiliate marketing. But you will NEVER hear me talk about it publicly for some very good damn reasons. Do you honestly think the adware folks don't go to great lengths to avoid detection? Do you think they don't monitor public forums where they are being discussed? Even if the folks over at GFY are able to come up with some brilliant solution that no one else who have been researching, educating and working towards the solutions full time for years has been able to....it will be a moot point posted in such a visible public area. The adware folks will just program around the protective measure. Good Lord, these guys constantly get around detection for such major companies as Norton's and McAfee. It's a constant on going battle. Here's just 2 facts to emphasize the point. Zango already has programming built into it which can circumvent the time stamp protection. It's just not being used right now, because they feel there isn't a need to. But it's there....I SEE it every time they do a pop up. Wow...maybe I actually KNOW that because I've set up my testing environment correctly????? And if they ever DO implement it, I'll know it and I'll also know how they are exactly doing it. And then folks who do really care about the issues can find a solution to counter them. And then we can pass that information on PRIVATELY to merchants and sponsors. Second example...remember M$ Service Pack 2 that was supposed to end the problem of unwanted adware/spyware installations? I was seeing programming in adware a YEAR before SP2 was even release to detect SP2 systems and install around it. Point me to one source that documents a significant decline in adware installs since SP2 has been released.

If the fact that I prefer to deal in the realities of what the adware companies will do and how they *really* operate and generate revenue...the actual facts, somehow translates for you into I take the stance of just don't bother or you might as well just join them...then whatever.

My ethics dictate that I give merchants/sponsors accurate information and don't lead them down some fantasy path. That they have solid data on which they can make sound business decisions. I don't operate by posting knee jerk reactions with a minimal of facts on the situation on public forums. And I certainly would not have dedicated myself to researching full time EXACTLY HOW adware companies and affiliates are screwing over the affiliate marketing industry as a whole if my impetus wasn't assisting both merchants/sponsors and affiliates in protecting the revenue that is rightfully theirs. Personally I feel that all these idiots who are engaging in these practices should be behind bars. Unfortunately, that's not the case. What adware companies have done and are doing to ecommerce and online marketing goes will beyond just one sponsor/merchant or affiliate.

I first tested Zango in Dec 2003 and documented inappropriate affiliate link usage, reporting on my findings on the largest mainstream affiliate marketing forum. I tested them for 2-3 weeks learning EXACTLY how their software operated. I knew EXACTLY who the affiliate IDs belonged to when I reported. IOW, I had solid, well researched, accurate information to report to the community when I posted. I've been testing them ever since. I had documentation that could stand up in court to back all statements I made (and that is NOT just a video). I had tested numerous other adware applications before I even looked at Zango. I've paid out of my own pocket for an attorney to do a 2 hour affiliate marketing internet radio show discussing all the possible legal options available to merchants (sponsors) and affiliates where adware is concerned. That one cost me $1k with no direct benefit to me any way whatsoever. But maybe if I just posted informed BS on a forum, then I would then be truly committed to the issues?

What I did say and do is give you some free consulting. You're welcome. What you do with the information is your choice. Just don't give yourself a bigger problem or get yourself burned because you have good intentions but have misinformation or only a limited understanding the issues.

Kellie

Maybe I'm easily scared. She did not offer to do it for me for a fee. Or anyone else. As an "Expert" (my term) I think it would be a good idea for her to do this.

Pleasurepays · 10-15-2006, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by damian2001

You have lost it anyway!! I dont how many other ways I can put it.

If they have Zango you lose the sale if AFF buy it or not....

It will just go to another dating sponsor!

thats not the same thing as your argument that AFF lost the sale. its not their sale yet to lose. its the webmasters. it only becomes AFFs when they take action, bid on keywords that show up on YOUR site, a surfer goes to your site, THEIR popups are triggered, with THEIR CODES and your traffic is now stolen.

you can't kill people because people would have been killed anyway.
you can't participate in a rape because she would have been raped anyway.
you can't steal something because YOU THINK it would have been stolen anyway.

it would seem to me that the appropriate thing to do in this situation would be to stop fucking people and partnering with scumbags first... work on a solution second.

Missie · 10-15-2006, 12:06 PM

Paul,

Why post that email publicly when she SPECIFICALLY said not to????????

What's wrong with you??

Missie

gfx3 · 10-15-2006, 12:46 PM

Mr. AFF you are getting very greedy in my opinion. I'm sure you agree that your affiliates made your company to what it is today. Millions of banners are spread all over the net promoting AFF. It's normal to look for new angles to expand business but it isn't smart to do so on the back of the people who are responsible for making your company to what it is today. In any business it's important to give something back (I'm not talking about a Ferrari). I'm sure you will come up with other creative ways to promote AFF without upsetting your hard working affiliates. You are about to cross a certain line with this adware solution which could hurt the "good name" AFF still has today. Not only with affiliates but also with the general public.

KrisKross · 10-15-2006, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RRRED

This is disappointing for affiliates but you gotta remember. Don't shoot the messenger. This might not be a personal position of Lars. It's the position of the company. I'm thinking that Lars is saying what he's told to say.

Lars repeatedly claims to be one of two owners of Friend Finder. If that's the case, then he's more than just a messenger and not simply the company's mouthpiece.

DatingGold · 10-15-2006, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TampaToker

Nice i just pulled my aff links and cams.com links and switched to dating gold. So i click a link on my site and sure enough look at this shit. Now i cant even send traffic to datinggold now

Click the pic twice...........

Lars told me they don't buy our keywords

.. So I'm hoping it's an affiliate and they terminate them

Paul Markham · 10-15-2006, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Missie

Paul,

Why post that email publicly when she SPECIFICALLY said not to????????

What's wrong with you??

Missie

So did it answer your questions? To me it seems like she is trying to put me off from testing. So what is she so scared of?

So far no one has come up with a creditable option or way to combat adware. Even those who claim to be fighting the adware people are putting us off from testing it, not offering anything positive, offering to test for us and asking me to keep quiet about it.

The best opposition to date is affiliates do not send these companies traffic. but this will drive these companies to rely more on other means of driving traffic, other than affiliates.

Missie read my post and come up with positives not negatives.

KrisKross · 10-15-2006, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DatingGold

Lars told me they don't buy our keywords

.. So I'm hoping it's an affiliate and they terminate them

If there policy on this is anything like their policy on their affiliates using stolen content, then it'll take two official complaints from Dating Gold with proof before the affiliate it terminated. And then Lars will probably ICQ and tell him to sign up again.

Missie · 10-15-2006, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So did it answer your questions? To me it seems like she is trying to put me off from testing. So what is she so scared of?

So far no one has come up with a creditable option or way to combat adware. Even those who claim to be fighting the adware people are putting us off from testing it, not offering anything positive, offering to test for us and asking me to keep quiet about it.

The best opposition to date is affiliates do not send these companies traffic. but this will drive these companies to rely more on other means of driving traffic, other than affiliates.

Missie read my post and come up with positives not negatives.

Sorry but you wouldn't know positive if it hit you in the face Paul!

You really don't get it at all. You NEED to read up on this stuff to at least understand the BASICS of how adware/scumware really works. Read it as many times as it takes until it starts to sink in. You're as green as you can be on this stuff. I'm not insulting you, that's a FACT Paul.

Kellie didn't scare you, she tried to PROTECT you. You didn't even get that much. I've told you many times there was more to testing than meets the eye. You install scumware on a work computer on a network and you DO put your whole business in jeopardy. What part of that do you not understand??

You were not talking about just zango, there are VERY MALICIOUS programs out there that DO destroy computers. There are programs that steal your information, credit cards, etc...

Where the hell have you been all these years?

Based on your ICQ messages, you really have NO idea what adware/scumware is or does. No one can help you until you're open minded enough to educate yourself so at least you can understand a basic conversation on the subject. Right now you think everyone is out to get you or you should join them because you can't beat them.

Missie

GonZo · 10-15-2006, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by gfx3

Mr. AFF you are getting very greedy in my opinion. I'm sure you agree that your affiliates made your company to what it is today. Millions of banners are spread all over the net promoting AFF. It's normal to look for new angles to expand business but it isn't smart to do so on the back of the people who are responsible for making your company to what it is today. In any business it's important to give something back (I'm not talking about a Ferrari). I'm sure you will come up with other creative ways to promote AFF without upsetting your hard working affiliates. You are about to cross a certain line with this adware solution which could hurt the "good name" AFF still has today. Not only with affiliates but also with the general public.

FREE LEGENDARY LARS!!!!

Find those that force him into this madness...

SomeCreep · 10-15-2006, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jayeff

Can we please stop using the word "adware" in relation to Zango and other operations like it!

ICQ is adware. Eudora is adware. Adware is a legitimate marketing model in which part of display is occupied by advertising no more pernicious than what we might place ourselves on one of our sites. No-one who has acceptable adware programs on his or her PC is going to attempt to visit a site, only to have another pop up on top of it.

ya, good point. Zango is spyware/scumware.

RawAlex · 10-15-2006, 02:40 PM

Here is my feeling: If Lars had come here and called out Sexsearch and said: "quit buying our keywords on Zango you little shits" he could have saved himself a ton of money, gotten himself some really good positive publicity, and maybe even encouraged Sexsearch to back off.

Instead, they decides to lay down with the dogs and pay off Zango.

Zango wins in all cases EXCEPT when people don't bid on keywords, don't bid on links, and don't pay the ransom or don't use Zango to steal from others.

SEXSEARCH SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES FOR SUCH HORRIBLE OPERATING PRACTICES!

Lars should be equally embarrassed by being willing to play with scumware companies.

Manowar · 10-15-2006, 03:19 PM

gave this topic more promo: http://www.businessvoyeur.com/2006-1...ment-on-adware

TampaToker · 10-15-2006, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DatingGold

Lars told me they don't buy our keywords

.. So I'm hoping it's an affiliate and they terminate them

If they are buying ads themselves i am sure they are not gonna can this afilliate. I could be wrong but who knows. All i know is anything webcams/dating related now is fucked

Aric · 10-15-2006, 03:23 PM

I'm glad we pulled all AFF links before this ever happened. They won't be going back in our members area (premium traffic).

Unfortunately no other dating program has been able to step up.... any recommendations? We've tried sexsearch and fling.com .. both were disappointing.

Who wants to take the #1 spot from our dating links?
Hit me up aric at pimproll.com

RRRED · 10-15-2006, 03:25 PM

Anyone know if AFF was bidding on Sexsearch keywords? Could explain why they didn't come out and bag on sexsearch.. just curious. All this involved too much reading so I've missed parts here and there.

There's Missie! My new favorite industry female. Knows what she's talking about and has taken the skepticism and blows with style and stabilized fury!

hehe...

Scootermuze · 10-15-2006, 03:29 PM

These guys that use Zango are probably sitting back laughing because they know it'll be like everything else...
People will bitch & moan for a few days.. threaten to pull their links.. yada yada..

But, as usual, nobody will choose to band together to any extent that would actually make any difference.

And until that time comes, which I don't see ever happening, this stuff will continue..
Posts will be made... people will bitch... 1 or 2 may pull links... and the people being bitched at will keep making your money.

Sponsor Boycotts would do the trick, but such a silly thought to think it would ever happen..

Aric · 10-15-2006, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Scootermuze

These guys that use Zango are probably sitting back laughing because they know it'll be like everything else...
People will bitch & moan for a few days.. threaten to pull their links.. yada yada..

But, as usual, nobody will choose to band together to any extent that would actually make any difference.

And until that time comes, which I don't see ever happening, this stuff will continue..
Posts will be made... people will bitch... 1 or 2 may pull links... and the people being bitched at will keep making your money.

Sponsor Boycotts would do the trick, but such a silly thought to think it would ever happen..

We pulled our links before this. And we're a top 5 sponsor according to Epoch

We don't tolerate this shit.

So.... we need new dating links people! Hit me up - see above.

TampaToker · 10-15-2006, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Scootermuze

These guys that use Zango are probably sitting back laughing because they know it'll be like everything else...
People will bitch & moan for a few days.. threaten to pull their links.. yada yada..

But, as usual, nobody will choose to band together to any extent that would actually make any difference.

And until that time comes, which I don't see ever happening, this stuff will continue..
Posts will be made... people will bitch... 1 or 2 may pull links... and the people being bitched at will keep making your money.

Sponsor Boycotts would do the trick, but such a silly thought to think it would ever happen..

Let them laugh for now. There is alot of pissed of people right now with large pockets geting screwed on this . There is alot of stuff going on behind the scenes which you wont see get posted till its time. I myself contacted 3 media outlets about this and was surpised i got a relpy from one of them. so we will see how this all pans out.......

Missie · 10-15-2006, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RRRED

There's Missie! My new favorite industry female. Knows what she's talking about and has taken the skepticism and blows with style and stabilized fury!

hehe...

HAHA Thanks Red!

Unlike many here, I didn't just find out about this 2 weeks ago. Been battling this for years already in mainstream. The only difference is that when I was first introduced to scumware problems, I took all the time I needed to educate myself, I've read everything on the subject at the time, I got in touch with those in the know, and learned as much as I possibly could. That's how I met Kellie and Ben and a few others, seems like a lifetime ago now.

There is so much more to this, all these threads have only brushed the surface of it. Still a good start!!! Look for more "news" on this, it's far from over.

Missie

Pleasurepays · 10-15-2006, 04:07 PM

excuse my ignorance, but this is a serious question.

when you use PPC programs, they will decline ads for trademarked terms. create a test ad with Adwords and throw Sony, Toyota, Nokia, Sprint and so on in the ad text and it will usually not go live. if it does, it gets deactivated fairly quickly. i noticed that yahoo won't let you bid on "xxxx.com" usually and the ad is deactived - reason "trademarked term". With yahoo they usually dont go live. the reason is always "trademarked terms"

is someone "forced" to bid on their own company and product names if they have them trademarked? can't a legal letter be sent to the company thats allowing users to bid on those terms or to those bidding on them demanding them to stop?

RawAlex · 10-15-2006, 07:11 PM

Let's just say that Zango doesn't have the corporate profile of a yahoo yet.

SpeakEasy · 10-15-2006, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GonZo

FREE LEGENDARY LARS!!!!

Find those that force him into this madness...

Nbody "Forced" them to do anything, they made their choice to scam everyone, knowing perfectly well what they were doing, and anyone that believes their garbage excuses they are giving now is a fool.
After reading this whole thread the only conclusion one can draw is the Legendary Lars now = Legendary Liar.

SpeakEasy · 10-15-2006, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scootermuze

These guys that use Zango are probably sitting back laughing because they know it'll be like everything else...
People will bitch & moan for a few days.. threaten to pull their links.. yada yada..

But, as usual, nobody will choose to band together to any extent that would actually make any difference.

And until that time comes, which I don't see ever happening, this stuff will continue..
Posts will be made... people will bitch... 1 or 2 may pull links... and the people being bitched at will keep making your money.

Sponsor Boycotts would do the trick, but such a silly thought to think it would ever happen..

This is very well said and quite true.

L-Pink · 10-15-2006, 09:59 PM

bump .....

Myst · 10-15-2006, 10:15 PM

lars you are a fucking idiot

GonZo · 10-15-2006, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpeakEasy

Nbody "Forced" them to do anything, they made their choice to scam everyone, knowing perfectly well what they were doing, and anyone that believes their garbage excuses they are giving now is a fool.
After reading this whole thread the only conclusion one can draw is the Legendary Lars now = Legendary Liar.

You mean you think Lars lied to you?

NO SUSHI FOR YOU!!!

will76 · 10-15-2006, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Missie

Paul,

Why post that email publicly when she SPECIFICALLY said not to????????

What's wrong with you??

Missie

Paul that shows a serious lack of character. I wouldn't even post ICQ convo with people even if they didn't ask me not to. For someone to give you good info (whether you think it is good or not) and take the time to reply back with a long detailed email, you think you could have been a little more cool about this. IMO, it shows a lack of integrity on your part to post, at the very least, the parts that she specifically said she would not want to be made public.

will76 · 10-15-2006, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DatingGold

Lars told me they don't buy our keywords

.. So I'm hoping it's an affiliate and they terminate them

Everyone should

SEE YOUR SIG!!!

10-15-2006, 07:13 AM	#207
free4porn Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,654	late sig __________________ Switch To Fling Now! I'm on 1:201 paid signups sending little traffic! Make $$$ Free Porn

10-15-2006, 09:58 AM	#211
elasticatedman Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: UK Posts: 120	Zango has been ripping off mainstream advertisers for years, an dno doubt a good slice of income came from the gambling sites. Now, with online gambling being a thing o fthe past (in the US) they're re-focusing on porn. This could be an opportunity for the porn industry to smash zango and gain some kudos in the mainstream. Smash them anyway - fuck kudos. __________________ From onions to pearls

10-15-2006, 10:59 AM	#216
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	There is no solution at present. If it's the sponsor doing it, he's doing it to protect his traffic. If an affiliate does it, he's doing it as an alternative method of getting traffic. So far no one has come up with anything approaching a solution and the "Expert" I contacted could be working for the adware companies. The way she scared from downloading and testing the scripts. Or what ever they are called. So I'm going to be devils advocate here and pitch the other sides argument. 10 or so years ago the business was a few sites converting at ratios sites would give their right arm to get today. Lot less traffic, lot less competition and no affiliates to speak of. Then it all changed and the situation was live with it, use it or die. So now we have a situation where ever affiliate expects 50% of a paysites revenue from joins, free hosting, free content, free galleries, free banners, bonus payments and more. Plus marketing and endless support. So what do affiliates cost? Let's say 33% of a sites joins revenue or to keep it simple $10.00 a month a sign up. With all the support it think it might be even more. So can a sponsor get a sign up from companies like Zango for $10.00 or less? Who loses? The sponsor. Not really the traffic exists and unless you believe all the free content on the Internet generates rather then hurts sign ups removing all the free content would be a help. The surfer, no he can still find his porn. The TGP site and LL owner. Yes, but he will be intelligent enough to realise this is the time to compete. Some will and some will not. Affiliates, see the above. Will adware companies screw with surfers computers? Only if they want to scare the life out of the surfer from using them. And affiliates before you argue that the traffic will simply dry up because you are not here, let me say this. You do not create traffic, unless free porn is contributing rather than hurting the Adult Net, you are merely directing EXISTING traffic. Yes many of you will suffer, however if you had a site paying you $40 and a site paying $35 for exactly the same join/traffic/etc. where would you send it? Sponsors are doing the same. I WAS MERELY BEING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE FOR THE OTHER SIDE, I WELCOME THE ARGUMENT FOR THE PROSECUTION. Personally I think free porn does create traffic and joins, and I have stated so many time. I believe the affiliate situation levels the playing field and allows many site to exist that would not survive under other circumstances. But I was not pitching my beliefs. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

10-15-2006, 12:06 PM	#224
Missie Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 372	Paul, Why post that email publicly when she SPECIFICALLY said not to???????? What's wrong with you?? Missie __________________ Looking for a clean sponsor that won't steal from you?check them out here!

10-15-2006, 12:46 PM	#225
gfx3 Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,685	Mr. AFF you are getting very greedy in my opinion. I'm sure you agree that your affiliates made your company to what it is today. Millions of banners are spread all over the net promoting AFF. It's normal to look for new angles to expand business but it isn't smart to do so on the back of the people who are responsible for making your company to what it is today. In any business it's important to give something back (I'm not talking about a Ferrari). I'm sure you will come up with other creative ways to promote AFF without upsetting your hard working affiliates. You are about to cross a certain line with this adware solution which could hurt the "good name" AFF still has today. Not only with affiliates but also with the general public. __________________

10-15-2006, 06:33 AM	#202
jimthefiend So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: icq: 121189 Posts: 18,889	Why isnt that whore Missie all over this?

10-15-2006, 06:48 AM	#203
Worldnet Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Atlanta Posts: 996	OK, what programs are using Zango? Is there a list in a thread here? I'm dropping every dam sponsor using it.

10-15-2006, 07:04 AM	#204
Damian_Maxcash So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: MaxCash.com Posts: 12,745	1. Lars does nothing, ignores Zango - Affiliates lose sales, Lars loses sales - Zango wins 2. Lars buys spots - Affiliates lose sales, Lars recoups some lost traffic (and can afford nice bonuses) - Zango wins 3. Suggested by Will - Lars buys "blank" pops - Affiliates gain on sales but lose on bonuses because Lars is paying money to Zango - Zango wins Anyone seeing a pattern here? Do you think perhaps we are fighting with the wrong people?

10-15-2006, 09:17 AM	#209
agaysex Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 133	I not understand why to much discussion here because it very clear about scamware "zango"/simular and aff. very easy business model : 1. AFF buy scamware traffic, which stollen from his affiliates. 2. affiliates get less income and switch to more well paid programs. 3. AFF get less and less traffic from affiliates and zango 4. ooops. and no more traffic for AFF. Need to open new company, start again with affiliates/etc. perfect self-killing business plan! And key here - traffic goes from affiliate sites anyway, zango just change id/cookie - but not have own traffic sources. Key for affiliates - if company buy traffic from scamware/zango - it own affiliates cheating. Never particulate at this program, find the alternative. PS : I cannot believe what AFF doing it. If it was some small program - not a big trouble, but AFF!?

10-15-2006, 02:40 PM	#233
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	Here is my feeling: If Lars had come here and called out Sexsearch and said: "quit buying our keywords on Zango you little shits" he could have saved himself a ton of money, gotten himself some really good positive publicity, and maybe even encouraged Sexsearch to back off. Instead, they decides to lay down with the dogs and pay off Zango. Zango wins in all cases EXCEPT when people don't bid on keywords, don't bid on links, and don't pay the ransom or don't use Zango to steal from others. SEXSEARCH SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES FOR SUCH HORRIBLE OPERATING PRACTICES! Lars should be equally embarrassed by being willing to play with scumware companies.

10-15-2006, 03:19 PM	#234
Manowar jellyfish Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 71,528	gave this topic more promo: http://www.businessvoyeur.com/2006-1...ment-on-adware

10-15-2006, 03:23 PM	#236
Aric Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 1,209	I'm glad we pulled all AFF links before this ever happened. They won't be going back in our members area (premium traffic). Unfortunately no other dating program has been able to step up.... any recommendations? We've tried sexsearch and fling.com .. both were disappointing. Who wants to take the #1 spot from our dating links? Hit me up aric at pimproll.com __________________ Awesome cloud hosting by DigitalOcean Last edited by Aric; 10-15-2006 at 03:26 PM..

10-15-2006, 03:25 PM	#237
RRRED Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: WA Posts: 6,754	Anyone know if AFF was bidding on Sexsearch keywords? Could explain why they didn't come out and bag on sexsearch.. just curious. All this involved too much reading so I've missed parts here and there. There's Missie! My new favorite industry female. Knows what she's talking about and has taken the skepticism and blows with style and stabilized fury! hehe...

10-15-2006, 03:29 PM	#238
Scootermuze Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 4,513	These guys that use Zango are probably sitting back laughing because they know it'll be like everything else... People will bitch & moan for a few days.. threaten to pull their links.. yada yada.. But, as usual, nobody will choose to band together to any extent that would actually make any difference. And until that time comes, which I don't see ever happening, this stuff will continue.. Posts will be made... people will bitch... 1 or 2 may pull links... and the people being bitched at will keep making your money. Sponsor Boycotts would do the trick, but such a silly thought to think it would ever happen..

10-15-2006, 04:07 PM	#242
Pleasurepays BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I live in a pile of boogers Posts: 11,913	excuse my ignorance, but this is a serious question. when you use PPC programs, they will decline ads for trademarked terms. create a test ad with Adwords and throw Sony, Toyota, Nokia, Sprint and so on in the ad text and it will usually not go live. if it does, it gets deactivated fairly quickly. i noticed that yahoo won't let you bid on "xxxx.com" usually and the ad is deactived - reason "trademarked term". With yahoo they usually dont go live. the reason is always "trademarked terms" is someone "forced" to bid on their own company and product names if they have them trademarked? can't a legal letter be sent to the company thats allowing users to bid on those terms or to those bidding on them demanding them to stop?

10-15-2006, 07:11 PM	#243
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	Let's just say that Zango doesn't have the corporate profile of a yahoo yet.

10-15-2006, 09:59 PM	#246
L-Pink working on my tan Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida/Kentucky Posts: 39,152	bump .....

10-15-2006, 10:15 PM	#247
Myst Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 4,707	lars you are a fucking idiot __________________ ICQ: 298-523-037