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Old 11-21-2006, 01:14 AM   #101
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Old 11-21-2006, 01:15 AM   #103
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I also think that this wont stop the greedy, shady fucks that use these tactics but it does help bring awarness to the webmasters of sites who are being targeted so they can block it. Now that Im all for..
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Everytime you bring it all back to it being just a vendetta of Will comes across to me as raising a red herring to cloud the realities of the issue. Worse, chalking it up as just another contextual ad buy is disingenuous to the webmaster community who easily saw through the difference of Guba from newsgroups just like they distinguish what zango is to them here from other contextual advertising.
Why did Will come out against one person who seems to be his competition? Why did Will not check his own company for some of the largest Adware usage of a company? Why did will and others make a list of companies supporting adware when none of the companies were alerted of the accounts linked to adware to given a chance to remove them while Will is able to remove links all day long from Adware to ClickCash with it not being supportive of Zango?? Why? Why did Will, only just a few days ago, remove long standing links from Adware and is able to say he doesn't support adware when all along.... during the time if his bitching... adware links from Zango and MANY other adware companies have been making ClickCash money?

How come Will would rather build up ZangoCash.com and MetricsDirect.com then to actually combat something he thinks is hurting people? What's his motive? I would say VANITY! This duchebag has never owned a real website and makes his money off other people's hard work. He is an affiliate referral.... That's it... He is only bitching to bring his status up..
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I have a hard time believing this is due to Will's threads on gfy.

Whatever his intentions are he has given zangocash.com a HUGE amount of publicity and he is only worsening any problem he thought was there while all along ClickCash was using Zango and many others to make money.
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He is only bitching to bring his status up..

thats not true. his Bro Status has been fully revoked. its gone. he is not a Bro... he will not respond as a Bro... no one will be calling him Bro... he will post no Bro threads with cool Bro cars, nice Bro homes and hot Bro chicks or cool Bro vacation pics.


TRAFFICHOG = Lars.

my god you are retarded. building on a total and complete fucking meltdown you've had that you only make worse and worse and worse.
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ok... i accept your statements.


so....

1) it has no direct effect on user levels since its basically an irrelevant amount of traffic.

2) it has no consequences on the merchant account and processing since normal fluctuations are such that not having zango traffic wouldn't even register

3) its apparently not enough worth stealing to begin with.


so, lets take the time to examine the arguments for it based on your statements.

1)......uhmm.... hm...........


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I am not AFF. I don't know if they have a problem with their database and chargebacks. Check with them.
Did you read that part or just skip the whole issue like Will did with ClickCash before he went on his crusade.
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Not Lars....
Although I wish. Just an observer wondering if people other than dumb followers(sheep) understand what's really going on here.
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thats not true. his Bro Status has been fully revoked. its gone. he is not a Bro... he will not respond as a Bro... no one will be calling him Bro... he will post no Bro threads with cool Bro cars, nice Bro homes and hot Bro chicks or cool Bro vacation pics.


TRAFFICHOG = Lars.

my god you are retarded. building on a total and complete fucking meltdown you've had that you only make worse and worse and worse.


He was never in "bro" status. LOL. Will has never met any other webmasters face to face. Never goes to shows. Never actually network and has to deal with people he crusades against.
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Old 11-21-2006, 01:25 AM   #110
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Did you read that part or just skip the whole issue like Will did with ClickCash before he went on his crusade.
as i recall.... he called everyone out that he found. you seem to be the only one that "skipped the whole issue" and seem to be real interested in making the entire conversation about something else.



the refresher course:


Will76 - affiliate
AFF/Cams = robbing affiliates

ClickCash = terminated any relationship with zango via affiliates or otherwise
AFF/Cams = said "fuck you webmasters"

two different things entirely
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Old 11-21-2006, 01:26 AM   #111
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Just an observer wondering if people other than dumb followers(sheep) understand what's really going on here.
I'll assume you aren't talking about all the AFF apologists that pop up here and there.
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as i recall.... he called everyone out that he found. you seem to be the only one that "skipped the whole issue" and seem to be real interested in making the entire conversation about something else.



the refresher course:


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ClickCash = terminated any relationship with zango via affiliates or otherwise
AFF/Cams = said "fuck you webmasters"

two different things entirely

Ok... The ones he called out....Other than the ones that admitted they buy the traffic. Do they get a free hall pass too? Shouldn't have Will cleaned his whole house Months before he bashes on other companies? Why did Will's TeamClickCash have HUGE ties with Zango before just a days ago and not before he went on his crusade? What is ClickCash's real position on Adware?
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Ok... The ones he called out....Other than the ones that admitted they buy the traffic. Do they get a free hall pass too? Shouldn't have Will cleaned his whole house Months before he bashes on other companies? Why did Will's TeamClickCash have HUGE ties with Zango before just a days ago and not before he went on his crusade? What is ClickCash's real position on Adware?

Clickcash adopted an official position on adware. They are against it... and for affiliates

Cams/AFF adopted a position on adware... They are for it and against affiliates.





interesting, only Lars has been referring to it as "adware"

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Lars, can you please stop stealing traffic.
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Traffichog = Lars I am convinced. His same dumb arguments. Actually tomorrow I will check on this but I think one of these comments he made was word for word what Lars has posted.

hey is this me, or is this fake nic trying to make this thread about me. You can ask him any question you want, he replies, But Will.... Well Will... Why did Will...

I think I have a stalker. I wish I had a dollar for how many times he said my name.

Don't feed the trolls. Anyone that can believe that Zango's traffic is . 05% US based traffic when they only really pay for us traffic is a moron.

Zango .05% US TRAFFIC LMAO LOLOLOL

Good night lars.

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He was never in "bro" status. LOL. Will has never met any other webmasters face to face. Never goes to shows. Never actually network and has to deal with people he crusades against.
Ok I take the bait. How do you know if I went to any shows or not. Which shows were you at ?
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The sheep won't always follow a moron....
But in this case the sheep want the original fucking questions asked answered.
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Sly, by openly supporting will76, you look like a troll and you lose 7% of GFY Q-factor in the eyes of some established people....
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Thank God I have yet to support Will! This thread smells.
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All night long it seems that AFF and their supporters are trying to spin the hell out of the zango issue.

They have reduced a serious problem in the adult industry to a kindergarten argument.

I don't want to hear that this company is using zango or that company is using zango. I don't what to hear that Will is an asshole or Lars is an asshole. What I want are these questions answered from AFF since they are the only company that has come forward and admitted that they directly purchase traffic from zango.

Is Zango a problem in the adult industry as a whole?

Is theft on any level whether it is 20% or .0001% acceptable?

Do you bid on url's of other companies?

Does Zango pop up a page or window over a site thus possibly taking away traffic from the original site?

Why do you use zango if it is such a small portion of your traffic and income?

Are you doing anything to stop zango and if so what?

Serious questions and I would like serious answers.

Answer them right and gain some respect.
Extra points for honesty and I'll check your answers.
Still no answer?
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Why did Will come out against one person who seems to be his competition?
What you haven't noticed other (video and dating) sites joining in this discussion? Some have stayed silent. Some have declared opposition to scumware. Lars is the only spokesperson for a sponsor who has basically told affiliates they do not oppose scumware: so who else should we come out against?

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Why did Will not check his own company for some of the largest Adware usage of a company?
More spin. iFriends and scumware were linked right at the beginning of the discussion on this issue. Will stated early on that he would be contacting them. The worst you can say is that iFriends needed to be alerted at all and that they could have reacted more quickly.

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Why did will and others make a list of companies supporting adware when none of the companies were alerted of the accounts linked to adware to given a chance to remove them
1. Why shouldn't professional sponsors be expected to police their own traffic?

2. If you accurately report on a given day that a sponsor is appearing in scumware popups, on that day the sponsor in question is - whether directly or indirectly - supporting scumware. How naive do you expect everyone to be: all these weeks later and still only a small proportion of sponsors have spoken up. Gamma, Platinum Bucks, Bang Bros, Nasty Dollars, SexSearch, etc., etc... just how long do you think they should have in which to respond?

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How come Will would rather build up ZangoCash.com and MetricsDirect.com then to actually combat something he thinks is hurting people?
So according to you we should all creep quietly away and handle this alone, leaving everyone else in the dark? For myself, I mailed the FTC the week after they reached a settlement with Zango; I am in the process of updating all my sites, removing sponsors who support scumware as I go and installing htaccess mods etc. But I'm damned if I'm going to keep quiet so long as the cowboys in this industry keep undermining it for their own short-term gain.

I don't care whether you are Lars or some other clown hiding behind a fake nickname. All that fools like you do, attempting to turn this into a Will vs Lars drama with a bunch of transparent BS, is keep the topic on the front page here. If that is what you want, keep going: there are dozens of people willing to pitch in to "balance" such crap.

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Is Zango a problem in the adult industry as a whole?

Is theft on any level whether it is 20% or .0001% acceptable?

Do you bid on url's of other companies?

Does Zango pop up a page or window over a site thus possibly taking away traffic from the original site?

Why do you use zango if it is such a small portion of your traffic and income?

Are you doing anything to stop zango and if so what?
i just thought this thread could use a little direction back on course.
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I have a feeling this thread isnt going away
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Don't feed the trolls. Anyone that can believe that Zango's traffic is . 05% US based traffic when they only really pay for us traffic is a moron.

Zango .05% US TRAFFIC LMAO LOLOLOL

He's saying that 1 in every 2000 US surfers has Zango installed.
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He's saying that 1 in every 2000 US surfers has Zango installed.
For me it is 4% as I target the keywords used by AFF etc.
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Traffichog, Lars, Liar whatever you want to call yourself today, the general public wants answers for the AFF/Cams cheating, thieving acts they are pulling. At this time nobody gives a rats ass about you trying to spin this to a will76 issue, that can be done in a separate thread at a spearate time. As of right now Legendary Liar, Sagi the troll have been caught and proven to be this years #1 cheaters and thieves, and the public want's answers now!!!
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For me it is 4% as I target the keywords used by AFF etc.
Of course I meant 4% of the surfers visiting my domains. Sorry.
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He's saying that 1 in every 2000 US surfers has Zango installed.

The USA population just surpased 300 million. Zango clains to have 20 million active users. Not all of the 20 million is US users but most of them have to be since Zango only really pays on US installs. I am sure everyone installing it is targeting US traffic. Only about 200 million of the US population gets online (from shit i read).

I would say that more like 10% of the US computers have zango on it. However if you get traffic from around the world, the percentage of people with it that hit your sites will be lower then that.
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I have been busy and have not had the time to check this thread for a couple more days. I hoped to find the answers that I was looking for, but instead I come back and find this shit.

Lets get one thing straight I could care less about any other company besides AFF/Cams right now. I said before that since they are #1 and have admitted to directly purchasing traffic from Zango that they must take the first hit. If AFF/Cams ever stop directly supporting zango I will congratulate them and move on to the next company that supports zango. This is not personal. I don't want to see any harm come to Lars or him to go broke. I just want AFF/Cams to stop using zango and other "scumware".

I am also aware that zango is not the only company out there that does this shit. I am of the opinion that zango should be dealt with first and when they stop taking money out of the pockets of hard working webmasters (and even the shady/dishonest webmasters too) then I will move on to the next company.

Someone (I won't mention any names) came into my thread (yes mine not Will's) and tried to start up the spin machine once again. I addressed that in the beginning of my original post. I said that people have turned this whole issue into a kindergarten argument and avoided the important questions. That is why I posted serious questions I would like answers to.

I still haven't got my questions answered. All I have gotten is silence from the people who I want to hear from, and bullshit spin from someone who should stay the fuck out of my thread.

Something to think about.....
Why will Aff/Cams/Lars not answer these questions? They are straight forward and serious.
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We all know the people you want answers from will not show up and post UNLESS it will help them to do so. Say Lars and crew found out that you sent traffic to sexsearch. THEN they would come here and post up a storm. They wouldn't be responding to your questions but they would be trying to smear you.
That is what they did with me. Over the last 2 months Lars has made a hand full of posts about zango. 1 was the "possition statement" which his lawyer wrote. Two or three times he made posts that insulted everyone else. He made about a dozen posts making excuses why they "had" to use zango. In the thread where he was trying to bash me, he posted more times then all of those others times over the previous 6 weeks combined. An all out assault from him and his employees responding to the zango issue by trying to attack me because they said clickcash was doing it. Now it's been a week, and they haven't posted at all.

If they show up here (and I think they have under a fake nic) it is not going to be to answer questions but to either attack you, discredit you, or spin the whole thread.
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Old 11-25-2006, 12:07 AM   #139
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Old 11-25-2006, 12:30 AM   #140
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It's common knowledge that Zango is 0.05% of the US surfers. Then, you take the popups, which don't occur every site you browse, that are only clicked on 15% of the time. In the end you are looking an EXTREMELEY small amount..

I am not AFF. I don't know if they have a problem with their database and chargebacks. Check with them.
We are talking about AFF - Zango, TrafficHog = AFF Support!

We have AFF related keywords, 4% of our visitors are Zango infected.
Now I redirect them to a special account, and as one can image, it is high quality traffic with high sign-up ratio! Stolen by AFF before and still stolen from those not having protext script installed. Think of it! You must protect yourself against your own sponsor!!!!

Theft is theft, don't you try to try to excuse yourselves!


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Old 11-30-2006, 05:44 PM   #141
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Is Zango a problem in the adult industry as a whole?

Is theft on any level whether it is 20% or .0001% acceptable?

Do you bid on url's of other companies?

Does Zango pop up a page or window over a site thus possibly taking away traffic from the original site?

Why do you use zango if it is such a small portion of your traffic and income?

Are you doing anything to stop zango and if so what?
I'll give AFF/Cams the benefit of the doubt that they didn't see these questions and give them another chance to answer them.
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Old 12-06-2006, 09:15 AM   #142
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it's fucking cold out!
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Old 12-06-2006, 09:19 AM   #143
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Zango sucks. Period.
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Old 12-06-2006, 12:09 PM   #144
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I'll give AFF/Cams the benefit of the doubt that they didn't see these questions and give them another chance to answer them.
maybe you should start a thread like marc did with his hoes.com stats. Show AFF #1 and Cams #2 and you will have the whole AFF crew posting in that thread. Then there would be no way they could miss your questions
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Old 12-06-2006, 05:38 PM   #145
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Old 12-06-2006, 06:19 PM   #146
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Still no answers?

I am beginning to think that if AFF/Cams answers these questions it will not make them look good. Maybe that is why they aren't answering them.

I could be wrong though.
Hopefully they will answer these questions so I can officially know that they aren't stealing traffic.
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Old 12-08-2006, 04:29 PM   #147
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