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Old 12-03-2006, 01:31 PM   #151
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Old 12-03-2006, 02:02 PM   #152
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Old 12-03-2006, 02:15 PM   #153
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I really don't understand why every time I raise money for something, a ton of people chime in saying I should be raising money for something else instead?

There are a LOT of good causes in this world, and a LOT of people that need a LOT of help for a LOT of different reasons.

The reason I chose this particular cause for the holiday season is simple:

It's a lot easier for people to identify with an American family facing hardship, where they will hear about their circumstances, and how their lives have been changed, than it is for them to identify with a blackhole of a charity where they never really see how the money is put to use.

Yes, large charities are more efficient in the ways that they spend their money, and can do a lot of good for a lot of people for a lot less. But at the same time, there's no way to identify with that on a personal level.

When the results of this auction are announced, whoever the top bidder is, everyone will be able to read the story of this family, and how their life has been changed, and I suspect everyone will be touched on a personal level, and just maybe some will be inspired to give to charities that haven't done so before, or that don't do so on a regular basis.

No matter what, everyone will walk away from this experience and holiday season with a warm feeling in their hearts.
Let me say first that this your decision entirely, and that I am merely offering my opinion, as well as a different perspective on things.

Having said that, I have to note that your view on charities operating outside of the western world is flawed. There are tons of charities which help people in, for example, Africa and offer full details on what exactly is accomplished with the money. Hell, many will even give you pictures of the people whose lives you save, the school that is built with your money, etc. (a simple example: http://www.sos-childrensvillages.org/ )

Of course, you are right... it is easier to identify with western families. That's one of the main reasons why western charities get more money. It is a bit odd, though, when you think about it. An American family facing hardship is facing hard times relative to our own situation. An African family facing hardship, however, is facing hard times relative to the situation of that American family. They'd do almost everything to be in the same situation as that American family.

In the west, just about everyone, including the poorest, can receive such things as medical care, food, basic education, etc. In third world countries, the poorest often lack all these things. Every five seconds a child dies of starvation, exactly because we, in the west, do not identify with them, and thus do not care as much as we probably should.

Ultimately, the choice you have to make is a little like this one: Either you can give a friend with a broken ankle a ride to the hospital, or you can save a bus full of young children you don't know from certain death.
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Old 12-03-2006, 02:17 PM   #154
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Old 12-03-2006, 02:29 PM   #155
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Let me say first that this your decision entirely, and that I am merely offering my opinion, as well as a different perspective on things.

Having said that, I have to note that your view on charities operating outside of the western world is flawed. There are tons of charities which help people in, for example, Africa and offer full details on what exactly is accomplished with the money. Hell, many will even give you pictures of the people whose lives you save, the school that is built with your money, etc.

Of course, you are right... it is easier to identify with western families. That's one of the main reasons why western charities get more money. It is a bit odd, though, when you think about it. An American family facing hardship is facing hard times relative to our own situation. An African family facing hardship, however, is facing hard times relative to the situation of that American family. They'd do almost everything to be in the same situation as that American family.

In the west, just about everyone, including the poorest, can receive such things as medical care, food, basic education, etc. In third world countries, the poorest often lack all these things. Every five seconds a child dies of starvation, exactly because we, in the west, do not identify with them, and thus do not care as much as we probably should.

Ultimately, the choice you have to make is a little like this one: Either you can give a friend with a broken ankle a ride to the hospital, or you can save a bus full of young children you don't know from certain death.
Everyone has their own opinions of charities you may feel africans need cash more others might feel western people need it more. So in a way if everyone helped the dieing children on the bus the guys with the broken ankle would get worse if you know what I am trying to say, Just because you feel another charitie is more worthy does not hide the fact of other peoples suffering. I personally prefer to help those in need in my own country before helping other countrys one of the reasons is I relate to them better and what if I need help from some kind adult webmasters with unlimited cash one day lol
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Old 12-03-2006, 02:42 PM   #156
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Old 12-03-2006, 02:51 PM   #157
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Everyone has their own opinions of charities you may feel africans need cash more others might feel western people need it more. So in a way if everyone helped the dieing children on the bus the guys with the broken ankle would get worse if you know what I am trying to say, Just because you feel another charitie is more worthy does not hide the fact of other peoples suffering. I personally prefer to help those in need in my own country before helping other countrys one of the reasons is I relate to them better and what if I need help from some kind adult webmasters with unlimited cash one day lol
Yes, if everyone helped the dying children, the guy with the broken ankle would have a pretty hard time getting to the hospital. He might even become permanently disabled, having to use crutches for the rest of his life. Meanwhile, though, the children would live instead of die.

As for who "need it more"... below is a link to the world hunger map, provided by the UN. Clearly, the red areas need it more than the green ones. Whether one chooses to help those who need it most, however, is a different matter.

http://www.wfp.org/country_brief/hun...map_popup.html

Another take on things:

American poverty:


African poverty:
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just wait for the retarded americans to come in who think that american animals are worth more than africans humans.


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Old 12-03-2006, 07:37 PM   #160
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Bump and I've never understood why people feel the need to criticize what others donate/spend their money on.

If I want to donate to Birdfeeders of America that's my right.
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Bump and I've never understood why people feel the need to criticize what others donate/spend their money on.

If I want to donate to Birdfeeders of America that's my right.
Nobody is saying that people don't have the right to do whatever the hell they want with their money.

However, if you don't understand why some people - such as me - want to discuss these things, you're pretty fucking dense. So, I'll put it in the simplest way possible.

Between the moment at which this thread was posted and the moment at which I am writing this post, roughly 100,000 (a hundred thousand) children have starved to death. They have starved to death because most of the people in rich countries don't give a fuck about what happens to these children. Those that do care are not able to save them all by themselves, however much they would like to.

Is it that fucking hard to understand?

If what I have said convinces even a single person to give a small amount of money to some charity that tries to save these children and others in a similar position, that could easily save dozens of lives. To me, that seems like a great fucking reason for one to "feel the need" to point out these things to others.

Katrina killed 2000 people. 2500 people were killed in the '41 Pearl Harbor attack. 3000 people died in the 9/11 attacks. 230,000 people died in the 2004 tsunami. 60,000 Americans died in the Vietnam war, as well as 1-2 million Vietnamese. 6 million Jews died in the Holocaust.

Over 9 million people (both adults and children) die from starvation each year. 14 million people die from diseases of poverty each year. Each day, more people die from poverty than Americans died in the Vietnam war. Each hour, more people die from poverty than Americans died because of Katrina. Unquestionably, not enough is being done about this.

Now, if you don't believe these millions of people aren't worth a mention, by all means, go fuck yourself
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How many of those hungry children have you personally helped? Or is it enough for you to simply mention them and "raise awareness"? Do you donate 10% or more of your income to the hungry?

If so, I congratulate you. If not, I'd say a look at the man in the mirror would be a great place to start before opening up on Boy Alley.


Boy Alley, you are a wonderful person. I've blogged about you before, and I will undoubtedly do so again. This is going to be a blog entry for all the Christians to read and be challenged by.

You're a good man.
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Now, if you don't believe these millions of people aren't worth a mention, by all means, go fuck yourself
And a vast majority of the aid sent to Africa is confiscated by corrupt governments. In addition those governments are taking farms away from owners and letting them go to waste. I really don't feel like fattening those wallets. When you fix that, LMK.

It's like the Mexicans - the Mexican government doesn't take care of their poor citizens like the US government does, so where do they go? The US. If Africa was w/in traveling distance of the US, you can bet they'd all be here too.

I'm pretty sure everyone knows that there are children dying of starvation in Africa, but unless you're going to go there and hand feed them, I doubt they'd see a dime of anything BA collects here.

But again, we should all be able to donate where we want to - you included

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How many of those hungry children have you personally helped? Or is it enough for you to simply mention them and "raise awareness"? Do you donate 10% or more of your income to the hungry?

If so, I congratulate you. If not, I'd say a look at the man in the mirror would be a great place to start before opening up on Boy Alley.


Boy Alley, you are a wonderful person. I've blogged about you before, and I will undoubtedly do so again. This is going to be a blog entry for all the Christians to read and be challenged by.

You're a good man.
Yes, I do give away over 10% of my income. I also spend most my time - which I consider rather more important than money - doing what I can against poverty and human rights violations.

That isn't the fucking point here, though. Even if I had never given a single cent to charity in my life, the argument would still stand. There are many millions of people in this world whose lives could be vastly improved or even saved with shockingly little money. The needs of these people are almost entirely overlooked by the rich west.

Seriously, what kind of stupid-ass argument are you trying to make, anyway? "Libertine may well be a hypocrite, so people should not care about millions of peoples dying senseless deaths"? Great thinking
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And a vast majority of the aid sent to Africa is confiscated by corrupt governments. In addition those governments are taking farms away from owners and letting them go to waste. I really don't feel like fattening those wallets. When you fix that, LMK.

It's like the Mexicans - the Mexican government doesn't take care of their poor citizens like the US government does, so where do they go? The US. If Africa was w/in traveling distance of the US, you can bet they'd all be here too.

I'm pretty sure everyone knows that there are children dying of starvation in Africa, but unless you're going to go there and hand feed them, I doubt they'd see a dime of anything BA collects here.

But again, we should all be able to donate where we want to - you included
Oh, great, another dimwitted American christian speaks up.

Africa is a fucking continent. It has many different governments, and not all of them take away farms like Zimbabwe does, nor do all of them have rich dictators who brutally confiscate all foreign aid which enters the country.

Yes, there is a lot of corruption in Africa. A lot of that stems from poverty - public officials often don't get paid enough to feed their families, and thus commit fraud to at least make something even resembling a decent living. Hey, poverty often causes corruption, what a big fucking surprise!

Another big fucking surprise: many charities are aware of the level of corruption in countries they have often operated in for decades. That's why most of them have figured out ways to directly help people. Hell, most of them can easily present you with detailed statistics, photographs, etc. of their achievements. (minor note: the money that ends up with rich dictators is generally foreign aid given through governments, not aid given by charities)

As for the Mexican government (and African governments) not taking care of its (their) citizens like the US government does... that's mainly because these governments do not have the money to do so. With a nominal GDP per capita of, say, $303 dollars a year (Uganda), it becomes pretty damn hard to take care of poor citizens.

Basically, what you are saying is that you are too fucking lazy to find a good charity with proven results, and prefer basing your views of a large part of the world on the basic factoids that occassionally pop up on your tv screen, right between Britney's new boobs and Big Brother.
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Basically, what you are saying is that you are too fucking lazy to find a good charity with proven results, and prefer basing your views of a large part of the world on the basic factoids that occassionally pop up on your tv screen, right between Britney's new boobs and Big Brother.
Actually I'm saying that you choose whom you donate to, and I'll choose whom I donate to. Get the picture? I do a LOT of investigating on charities I donate to. The local ones I usually donate actual goods to - hard to be corrupt with a few cartons of diapers
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Yes, there is a lot of corruption in Africa. A lot of that stems from poverty - public officials often don't get paid enough to feed their families, and thus commit fraud to at least make something even resembling a decent living.
HEY! I have an idea!

How about we shut up about fucking god damn Africa already?

This thread was never about Africa, has nothing to do with Africa, the money was never going to go to Africa, and it's STILL not going to Africa.

This would be like like calling up the Jerry Lewis Labor Day Telethon and trying to get one of the telephone operators to give all the money that they raise to the Salvation Army so they can care for poor people instead of helping children with MS. It's not going to happen.

I honestly don't give two fucks and a blowjob about Africa. I really don't. I'm sorry, but Africa is not one of my causes.

So shut the fuck up about fucking Africa already or start your own "OH LAWDS MERCY AFRICA NEEDS MONIES" thread.

Fuck!

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Libertine if you cared so much about charity you would not be knocking other peoples efforts not ever one believes that every single bit of cash should go to africa
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I honestly don't give two fucks and a blowjob about Africa. I really don't. I'm sorry, but Africa is not one of my causes.
And there we have my whole fucking point.

You don't give a fuck about the poverty and deaths in Africa (and, I suspect, comparable extreme poverty in other underdeveloped countries).

The same goes for most people in the west.

The fact that the same goes for most people in the west is the reason that the situation in such countries isn't getting any better.

That is to say, thoughts like yours are the reason that many millions of people are dying. You're a nice, caring guy, but at the same time, you are an example of the kind of nationalism that has killed hundreds of millions of people throughout the years - more than fascism and communism combined.

You consider a car for a somewhat unfortunate American single mother to be more important than the lives of a few hundred African children. That is your right, of course, and there is nothing I can do about that, or should be able to do about it.

By the same token, at least until GFY bans me, I can - and will - say that considering a car for an American to be more important than the lives of hundreds of children is, to me, one of the most vile, disgusting things imaginable.

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Libertine if you cared so much about charity you would not be knocking other peoples efforts not ever one believes that every single bit of cash should go to africa
I don't give a fuck about charity. What I am concerned with are the millions of people whose deaths are being ignored and even allowed by us. Kindness, charity, giving, caring - they're all nice words and concepts, and not worth anything at all compared to the lives being lost every day.

And, just for the record, and as I said before, by far the most money given to charities is given to local or national charities, operating on a local or national level. The reason I am being an asshole in this thread is not that I believe that every bit of money should go to Africa... it's that almost no money is going to Africa and other extremely poor regions of the world.
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Old 12-05-2006, 12:46 PM   #188
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The fact that the same goes for most people in the west is the reason that the situation in such countries isn't getting any better.
The truth of the matter is you have a very sophomoric view of the problems facing Africa, and of the solutions to those potential problems.

The VAST majority of problems facing Africans are due to other Africans, not a lack of funding or support from developed countries. Sounds harsh, but it's the reality of the situation.

What's causing the humanitarian crisis in Darfur for example? It isn't a lack of money, it's the fact that there's basically a civil war going on. Africans fucking up the lives of other Africans. That has NOTHING to do with "western countries".

Teh BoyAlley isn't going to stop a civil war in that region.

However, Teh BoyAlley IS going to help change the life of 1 very special family here in the US.

Now, like I said, shut the living fuck up about Africa in this thread. This thread isn't about Africa. What part of that isn't computing for you?
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Old 12-05-2006, 03:20 PM   #189
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Old 12-05-2006, 03:27 PM   #190
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bump for teh Boy Alley.....
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Old 12-05-2006, 10:41 PM   #191
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i think it's great that BoyAlley is donating to anything. most people don't and i think other people seeing someone giving are more likely to feel generous toward other charities, not just the one they see on a thread.

Libertine - i doubt that showing hostility to other gfy members is going to make them donate to any charity and will probably take a away the spirit of giving in this thread, which you have pretty much done already.

why not start a sig auction and donate the money to the charity of your choice? or explain to people without the hostility and you may do some good. as it is, all you do is get people's defenses up so they're less likely to donate at all.
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Old 12-05-2006, 11:14 PM   #192
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Libertine - i doubt that showing hostility to other gfy members is going to make them donate to any charity and will probably take a away the spirit of giving in this thread, which you have pretty much done already.
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Old 12-05-2006, 11:16 PM   #193
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hey there thez boyz allez.. nice thing youz gotz goingz herez! Bumpz for a goodz cause!
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Old 12-05-2006, 11:25 PM   #194
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hey there thez boyz allez.. nice thing youz gotz goingz herez! Bumpz for a goodz cause!
I'm sorry I have no idea what you just said. I don't speak Ebonics, I speak Fag.

Any black men around here on the downlow that can translate for me?
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Old 12-07-2006, 09:51 AM   #196
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True,Africa major problem is actualy their own wars and killings.Take a look for example live aid concerts where a lot of money raised for africa,yet again apsolutly nothing change,things are even worse.
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I don't give a fuck about charity. What I am concerned with are the millions of people whose deaths are being ignored and even allowed by us. Kindness, charity, giving, caring - they're all nice words and concepts, and not worth anything at all compared to the lives being lost every day.

And, just for the record, and as I said before, by far the most money given to charities is given to local or national charities, operating on a local or national level. The reason I am being an asshole in this thread is not that I believe that every bit of money should go to Africa... it's that almost no money is going to Africa and other extremely poor regions of the world.
Do you even know what the hell you are talking about?

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Total FY 2007 USAID Humanitarian Assistance to Sudan and Eastern Chad $190,463,000¹
Total FY 2007 USG Humanitarian Assistance to Sudan and Eastern Chad $190,463,000
Total FY 2006 and FY 2007 USG Humanitarian Assistance to Sudan and Eastern Chad $776,335,816
http://www.usaid.gov/locations/sub-s..._africa/sudan/

Looks like the US is not doing enough??




http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Debt/USAid.asp


How much of that money is going to Africa ?



Look at the chart, over 25% of all aid the US gives goes to Africa.

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it's that almost no money is going to Africa and other extremely poor regions of the world.

Now, please shut the fuck up. You have been educated.
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