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Blogster · 11-30-2006, 08:02 AM

50 :]

Actors will happen even in the best-regulated families.

DarkJedi · 11-30-2006, 08:02 AM

edit: owned

justsexxx · 11-30-2006, 08:06 AM

Hmm strange vid....BTW what about some krav maga videos

Anthony · 11-30-2006, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Thrawn$

this is not Aikido and this guy aint a master

http://www.daitouryu-aikidou.jp/ is his website. All in Japanese.

Aikido deals in fantasy. The only reason it looks cool, like Dork Jedi's video he posted a few up, is because the UKE, the one being thrown, is violently throwing himself around.

This no touch is just a greater delusion sold to the students that supposedly works.

pornpf69 · 11-30-2006, 08:15 AM

it is all fake!!!

Drake · 11-30-2006, 08:17 AM

LOL, never heard of Aikido before, but I wouldn't recommend it. Serves him right.

Thrawn$ · 11-30-2006, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

http://www.daitouryu-aikidou.jp/ is his website. All in Japanese.

Aikido deals in fantasy. The only reason it looks cool, like Dork Jedi's video he posted a few up, is because the UKE, the one being thrown, is violently throwing himself around.

This no touch is just a greater delusion sold to the students that supposedly works.

i agree with you, MMA fighter are killers
but when i see videos like that, it's just a disrespect for MMA fighters

my little sister would beat the old guy

polish_aristocrat · 11-30-2006, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by justsexxx

Hmm strange vid....BTW what about some krav maga videos

you're training KM since a year, right? how is it going?

jaromir · 11-30-2006, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DTK

Grandmaster uses the force ;)

LOL, yes you get it

, but oldmaster must you some "bad" force, which exist only in the his mind :D, he is only the good manipulator, which overrate his abilities

Enema · 11-30-2006, 10:23 AM

Man I LOVE Style vs Style martial arts clips.

Someone should make a DVD of just Style vs Style, would make a squillion!

BitAudioVideo · 11-30-2006, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike33

LOL, never heard of Aikido before, but I wouldn't recommend it. Serves him right.

Steven Seagal was an Aikido instructor before his 'amazing film career' =]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=H0VcOtneCRU

boneprone · 11-30-2006, 10:58 AM

Nobody laughed at my joke..

Well fuck ya all then..

With that said I can kick all your asses!

Yeah...........

Kick em........

THis is a great thread.... I shot it over to some of my MMA friends.

Anthony · 11-30-2006, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by boneprone

Nobody laughed at my joke..

Well fuck ya all then..

With that said I can kick all your asses!

Yeah...........

Kick em........

THis is a great thread.... I shot it over to some of my MMA friends.

I'm ignoring you till you make good on your promise.

Over a year now.

NoWhErE · 11-30-2006, 11:18 AM

I think alot of people are forgetting what the essence of Martial Arts are. Most Japanese Martial Arts were created for a specific reason and fine tuned for that reason.

I.E : Karate. Developped secretly by Japanese farmers, it was called the art of the open handed fist. Its nature was to allow a seemingly harmless farmer to defend himself against attackers (bandits, soldiers, etc.) wielding weapons. Every student is taught to block sturdily joints and to strike extremely quickly, thus creating an effective defense against weapon wielding strikers (with more or less training of course).

Kung-Fu : Monks who were constantly robbed and killed in their monastaries by bandits wanting their possessions formed specific defenses against them to effectively neutralize them utilizing everything in their environment. They took inspiration from animals and elements to create their martial art.

etc. etc.

The point is, these Martial arts were created from necessity, not for direct gladiator-like confrontation. Most Martial Arts utilize the element of surprise as their main weapon. Martial Artists seemingly look week at first glance, but are trained to react and overthrow an opponent who is not expecting it.

So when you put these people in a ring where they're both opponents know eachothers habilities, you're elimating the traditionnal Martial Artists basic skill, which, again, is the element of surprise.

Any proper Martial Arts school first teaches its students that what they are learning is to defend themselves, not to engage in all out combat. Any student who ends up in such a situation has not fully understood what they are learning.

So when putting a Martial Artist against an MMA fighter, you're basically comparing apples and oranges. The MMA fighter will always come out victorious because you are basically on their turf. Naked, hand to hand combat is obviously dominated by MMA fighters because they are muscled up gladiators who train specifically for that.

Give them a sword, put them up against an Iaido student, and they will be quickly cut down.

Put them against a weapoin wielding thug, and alot of them will have to think twice about their approach on how to disarm them as compared to a Krav Maga student (I believe they are the ones that intensily study weapon defense).

So what is my point?

These debates are dumb. Its basically all a penis comparing contest that ultimately leads nowhere because anybody with half a brain knows that MMA fighters have the upper hand in no holds barred combat. But no they are not the ultimate evolution in fighting.

L-Pink · 11-30-2006, 11:33 AM

What's with the slapping shit from the old man? Sort of like a broke-ass college professor at some community college teaching business, all theory.

WarChild · 11-30-2006, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by NoWhErE

Give them a sword, put them up against an Iaido student, and they will be quickly cut down.

Put them against a weapoin wielding thug, and alot of them will have to think twice about their approach on how to disarm them as compared to a Krav Maga student (I believe they are the ones that intensily study weapon defense).

Yes because in this day and age you run in to a lot of people carrying around swords with them.

As for Krav Maga, it's just a fucking joke. Seriously. Someone was once showing me their handgun disarming technique, which seemed to work okay when I held a fake gun right up to their head. However, when instead I used half a brain cell and took 3 steps back in to a Weaver stance, the Krav Maga artist was left starting at me with no viable solution.

Anthony · 11-30-2006, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by NoWhErE

I think alot of people are forgetting what the essence of Martial Arts are. Most Japanese Martial Arts were created for a specific reason and fine tuned for that reason.

I.E : Karate. Developped secretly by Japanese farmers, it was called the art of the open handed fist. Its nature was to allow a seemingly harmless farmer to defend himself against attackers (bandits, soldiers, etc.) wielding weapons. Every student is taught to block sturdily joints and to strike extremely quickly, thus creating an effective defense against weapon wielding strikers (with more or less training of course).

Kung-Fu : Monks who were constantly robbed and killed in their monastaries by bandits wanting their possessions formed specific defenses against them to effectively neutralize them utilizing everything in their environment. They took inspiration from animals and elements to create their martial art.

etc. etc.

The point is, these Martial arts were created from necessity, not for direct gladiator-like confrontation. Most Martial Arts utilize the element of surprise as their main weapon. Martial Artists seemingly look week at first glance, but are trained to react and overthrow an opponent who is not expecting it.

So when you put these people in a ring where they're both opponents know eachothers habilities, you're elimating the traditionnal Martial Artists basic skill, which, again, is the element of surprise.

Any proper Martial Arts school first teaches its students that what they are learning is to defend themselves, not to engage in all out combat. Any student who ends up in such a situation has not fully understood what they are learning.

So when putting a Martial Artist against an MMA fighter, you're basically comparing apples and oranges. The MMA fighter will always come out victorious because you are basically on their turf. Naked, hand to hand combat is obviously dominated by MMA fighters because they are muscled up gladiators who train specifically for that.

Give them a sword, put them up against an Iaido student, and they will be quickly cut down.

Put them against a weapoin wielding thug, and alot of them will have to think twice about their approach on how to disarm them as compared to a Krav Maga student (I believe they are the ones that intensily study weapon defense).

So what is my point?

These debates are dumb. Its basically all a penis comparing contest that ultimately leads nowhere because anybody with half a brain knows that MMA fighters have the upper hand in no holds barred combat. But no they are not the ultimate evolution in fighting.

I don't agree.

Your whole posts sounds like one big apology for why Maritial Arts today do not work.

What's the difference with a guy punching you in the face knowing it's coming, and not knowing it's coming? Surprise.

This Aikido Grandmaster knew it was coming, and yet couldn't stop it.

So you are telling me he would have been able to if some guy just bum rushed him?

PLEASE stop insulting my intelligence. MMA is the future, it is fighting in all ranges.

L-Pink · 11-30-2006, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

Yes because in this day and age you run in to a lot of people carrying around swords with them.

As for Krav Maga, it's just a fucking joke. Seriously. Someone was once showing me their handgun disarming technique, which seemed to work okay when I held a fake gun right up to their head. However, when instead I used half a brain cell and took 3 steps back in to a Weaver stance, the Krav Maga artist was left starting at me with no viable solution.

This raps it up

DarkJedi · 11-30-2006, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boneprone

Nobody laughed at my joke..

Well fuck ya all then..

With that said I can kick all your asses!

Yeah...........

Kick em........

THis is a great thread.... I shot it over to some of my MMA friends.

Hows Exxxotica doing?

DarkJedi · 11-30-2006, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

This Aikido Grandmaster knew it was coming, and yet couldn't stop it..

A real Aikido master would have whooped your silly ass, lardo.

Anthony · 11-30-2006, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi

A real Aikido master would have whooped your silly ass, lardo.

Sure he would. How about you get off some non existant Aikido Master's Nuts and do it yourself, faggot?

WarChild · 11-30-2006, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

Sure he would. How about you get off some non existant Aikido Master's Nuts and do it yourself, faggot?

DarkJedi would never, and I mean never, backup his mouth. Get serious.

Anthony · 11-30-2006, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by NoWhErE

I think alot of people are forgetting what the essence of Martial Arts are. Most Japanese Martial Arts were created for a specific reason and fine tuned for that reason.

I.E : Karate. Developped secretly by Japanese farmers, it was called the art of the open handed fist. Its nature was to allow a seemingly harmless farmer to defend himself against attackers (bandits, soldiers, etc.) wielding weapons. Every student is taught to block sturdily joints and to strike extremely quickly, thus creating an effective defense against weapon wielding strikers (with more or less training of course).

Kung-Fu : Monks who were constantly robbed and killed in their monastaries by bandits wanting their possessions formed specific defenses against them to effectively neutralize them utilizing everything in their environment. They took inspiration from animals and elements to create their martial art.

etc. etc.

The point is, these Martial arts were created from necessity, not for direct gladiator-like confrontation. Most Martial Arts utilize the element of surprise as their main weapon. Martial Artists seemingly look week at first glance, but are trained to react and overthrow an opponent who is not expecting it.

So when you put these people in a ring where they're both opponents know eachothers habilities, you're elimating the traditionnal Martial Artists basic skill, which, again, is the element of surprise.

Any proper Martial Arts school first teaches its students that what they are learning is to defend themselves, not to engage in all out combat. Any student who ends up in such a situation has not fully understood what they are learning.

So when putting a Martial Artist against an MMA fighter, you're basically comparing apples and oranges. The MMA fighter will always come out victorious because you are basically on their turf. Naked, hand to hand combat is obviously dominated by MMA fighters because they are muscled up gladiators who train specifically for that.

Give them a sword, put them up against an Iaido student, and they will be quickly cut down.

Put them against a weapoin wielding thug, and alot of them will have to think twice about their approach on how to disarm them as compared to a Krav Maga student (I believe they are the ones that intensily study weapon defense).

So what is my point?

These debates are dumb. Its basically all a penis comparing contest that ultimately leads nowhere because anybody with half a brain knows that MMA fighters have the upper hand in no holds barred combat. But no they are not the ultimate evolution in fighting.

I forgot to add, all your info about Karate, Kung fu is wrong.

Stephen · 11-30-2006, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Most Self defense classes are useless, unless the person studying is willing to practice every day until it involves no thought. Most arent willing to do that. I see these one day self defense workshops and i think they are more dangerous then good.
Now if that guy took on a young in shape Aikido guy, then it would be interesting.

I agree with Tony.

I was once "a young in shape Aikido guy" but didn't have the discipline to stick with it for the 30 years or so it takes to become "good" at Aikido - and I (at 6'2 and 200 lbs fighting weight) had my ass handed to me more than once by a small and humble "weak old man" whose slightest touch felt like I was being hit with a sledge hammer, so I'm not about to discount what is happening in the 'no touch' videos.

NoWhErE · 11-30-2006, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

I don't agree.

Your whole posts sounds like one big apology for why Maritial Arts today do not work.

What's the difference with a guy punching you in the face knowing it's coming, and not knowing it's coming? Surprise.

This Aikido Grandmaster knew it was coming, and yet couldn't stop it.

So you are telling me he would have been able to if some guy just bum rushed him?

PLEASE stop insulting my intelligence. MMA is the future, it is fighting in all ranges.

I think you missed the whole point of my post.
I know you're all high and mighty about your MMA, but sit back and consider it. Most Martial Arts were designed for a specific reason.

Lets look at it in a way that every Joe could understand where I'm coming from, lets compare Martial Arts to cars.

Most cars are designed to excel in a specific area. Hummers were designed to be masters of off-roading in most terrains, pick up trucks were made for hauling stuff, porsches were made for speeding, dragsters were made for accelerating super fast in a straight line, blah blah blah. You get the point?

Now, apply this to Martial Arts. Some Martial Arts were designed to be effective in certain situations. Ninjitsu for stealth and assasination, Kendo for swordsman ship, Iaido for quickly drawing a sword and killing your opponent, Karate for versatility and defense against armed attackers, blah blah blah.

In today's society, most Martial Arts are obsolete of course, but we still train them for the benefits that they give us (discipline, good health and confidence).

MMA is specifically designed to dominate in hand to hand competition. Put any other Martial Artist in an MMA fighter's element and he will be destroyed as we have seen time and time again.

Put them outside of that element, and they could loose just as easily pitting a hummer vs a lambo in rocky terrain. Why? because they would be out of their element.

I know MMA is the tough guy's style of choice cause its the new fad (like Karate was in the 80s), but don't go gloating about how its the end to all styles, cause thats just plain ignorant.

Think about how you thought Aikido was the shit when you studied it?

There is no ultimate fighting style. Although MMA is pretty damn well rounded, there is no "best" form.

Pleasurepays · 11-30-2006, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by NoWhErE

The point is, these Martial arts were created from necessity, not for direct gladiator-like confrontation. Most Martial Arts utilize the element of surprise as their main weapon. Martial Artists seemingly look week at first glance, but are trained to react and overthrow an opponent who is not expecting it.

So when you put these people in a ring where they're both opponents know eachothers habilities, you're elimating the traditionnal Martial Artists basic skill, which, again, is the element of surprise.

Any proper Martial Arts school first teaches its students that what they are learning is to defend themselves, not to engage in all out combat. Any student who ends up in such a situation has not fully understood what they are learning.

thats 100% bullshit and is nothing but the typical new age hippie "be at peace with the universe" spin that is put on martial arts to justify the type of shit you see in the video and the rationale the idiots use to defend it.

all cultures since the dawn of time have developed fighting styles with and without weapons. they are all designed for 1 thing and 1 thing only... to kill the enemy.

if you want to say martial arts that you study/train is just a sport for exercise... fine. if you are gonna say you are some grandmaster super hero that can throw people across the room by using the force... then you deserve what you get when you step into the ring.

Metalsound · 11-30-2006, 12:11 PM

MMA Rules !!!

Is the most efective Martial Art on the street , no rules on the streets.

NoWhErE · 11-30-2006, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

thats 100% bullshit and is nothing but the typical new age hippie "be at peace with the universe" spin that is put on martial arts to justify the type of shit you see in the video and the rationale the idiots use to defend it.

all cultures since the dawn of time have developed fighting styles with and without weapons. they are all designed for 1 thing and 1 thing only... to kill the enemy.

if you want to say martial arts that you study/train is just a sport for exercise... fine. if you are gonna say you are some grandmaster super hero that can throw people across the room by using the force... then you deserve what you get when you step into the ring.

Did I ever say the Aikido master was gonna win? He was a total fool.

The point I'm saying is that comparing these fighting styles is utterly pointless and is nothing more than a penis comparing contest.

Most Martial Arts were designed to excel at a certain aspect of fighting. Open all out combat isnt the prime purpose for alot of them.

If you guys aren't getting what I'm saying, then fine. I will not waste my breath on deaf ears.

Anthony · 11-30-2006, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by NoWhErE

I think you missed the whole point of my post.
I know you're all high and mighty about your MMA, but sit back and consider it. Most Martial Arts were designed for a specific reason.

Lets look at it in a way that every Joe could understand where I'm coming from, lets compare Martial Arts to cars.

Most cars are designed to excel in a specific area. Hummers were designed to be masters of off-roading in most terrains, pick up trucks were made for hauling stuff, porsches were made for speeding, dragsters were made for accelerating super fast in a straight line, blah blah blah. You get the point?

Sure I get the point. So no touch knockout were designed for what, again?

How many people are running around with swords, nunchuks, etc? I know I run around with a HK USP.40, it's called modern times.

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Now, apply this to Martial Arts. Some Martial Arts were designed to be effective in certain situations. Ninjitsu for stealth and assasination, Kendo for swordsman ship, Iaido for quickly drawing a sword and killing your opponent, Karate for versatility and defense against armed attackers, blah blah blah.

I'll apply it to martial arts.

It's a horse drawn buggy versus a Ferrari Enzo.

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In today's society, most Martial Arts are obsolete of course, but we still train them for the benefits that they give us (discipline, good health and confidence).

That's great and dandy, but this stupid fuck Aikido Grand master boasted of being 200 - 0 in MMA fights and put up 5 grand winner take all.

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MMA is specifically designed to dominate in hand to hand competition. Put any other Martial Artist in an MMA fighter's element and he will be destroyed as we have seen time and time again.

Put them outside of that element, and they could loose just as easily pitting a hummer vs a lambo in rocky terrain. Why? because they would be out of their element.

Oh this is gonna be good. So you are telling me that if the fight happened outside on concrete that MMA guy wouldn't have GRABBED THE WRIST of the Aikido Grandmaster and punched him the face?!

AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OH MY GOD. The delusion.

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I know MMA is the tough guy's style of choice cause its the new fad (like Karate was in the 80s), but don't go gloating about how its the end to all styles, cause thats just plain ignorant.

MMA is not a style, get your facts right, which you haven't yet in your arguments. MMA is not a style.

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Think about how you thought Aikido was the shit when you studied it?

Absolutely, till I used it and it failed. Thank God for BJJ.

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There is no ultimate fighting style. Although MMA is pretty damn well rounded, there is no "best" form.

Let me put this simple for you.

MMA > TMA (Traditional Martial Arts)

Easy enough?

Slickster · 11-30-2006, 12:30 PM

Wow, that guy was real tough beating up an old man. I don't think that video is anything for MMA people to be proud of.

The old guy may be delusional, but he is an old man. End of story. Why not just go outside and kick the shit out of the local old wino because he thinks he is superman? Go kick him in the head and brag about that too.

NoWhErE · 11-30-2006, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

Sure I get the point. So no touch knockout were designed for what, again?

How many people are running around with swords, nunchuks, etc? I know I run around with a HK USP.40, it's called modern times.

Re read my first post, I'm not saying that guy didn't deserve to be knocked out, he deserved it like a bitch. Anybody who believes they can control "The force" obviously doesn't have both feet grounded to reality. Notice how not once I have said that the Aikido guy did not deserve the beating for yapping his mouth around. Thats what most people who run their mouths usually get.

I'm not saying the Aikido guy had a chance, what I'm saying is these fucking contests of "what form is better than another" is fucking moronic.

I love watching Pride and UFC, they both promote a GREAT sport. But comparing that vs Martial Art fighers is pointless.

Martial Art fighters who claim that their art is the most powerful have forgotten their most basic training and need to be humbled. Same goes for MMA fighters who boast the same.

There will always be someone stronger than you. An Aikido Master can be taken out by a chinese MMA fighter, that MMA fighter can be taken out by some little asian dude wielding an HK USP.40, that little asian dude can be taken out by a machine gun, so on and so forth.

So whats the point of comparing and trying to figure out who the best is? Its utterly and completely pointless.

The Aikido guy got what he deserved, but to watch you MMA guys gloat afterwards doesn't make you any better than him.

Now do you catch my drift?

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Originally Posted by Anthony

That's great and dandy, but this stupid fuck Aikido Grand master boasted of being 200 - 0 in MMA fights and put up 5 grand winner take all.

I've never said that the aikido guy was any superior to anyone. He deserved what he got for believing that his style could translate into all out open combat.

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Originally Posted by Anthony

Oh this is gonna be good. So you are telling me that if the fight happened outside on concrete that MMA guy wouldn't have GRABBED THE WRIST of the Aikido Grandmaster and punched him the face?!

AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OH MY GOD. The delusion.

Don't put words into my mouth.

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Originally Posted by Anthony

MMA is not a style, get your facts right, which you haven't yet in your arguments. MMA is not a style.

MMA : Mixed Martial Arts. Thus an assembly of Martial Arts consisting of move and techniques from various other styles. When combining a series of moves and techniques, what would you call it?

I think the term style would be a good choice. I'm also open to other suggestions.

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Originally Posted by Anthony

Absolutely, till I used it and it failed. Thank God for BJJ.

Congrats, you win t3h prize.

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Originally Posted by Anthony

Let me put this simple for you.

MMA > TMA (Traditional Martial Arts)

Easy enough?

Apples and oranges.

Get it?

Pleasurepays · 11-30-2006, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by NoWhErE

Did I ever say the Aikido master was gonna win? He was a total fool.

The point I'm saying is that comparing these fighting styles is utterly pointless and is nothing more than a penis comparing contest.

Most Martial Arts were designed to excel at a certain aspect of fighting. Open all out combat isnt the prime purpose for alot of them.

If you guys aren't getting what I'm saying, then fine. I will not waste my breath on deaf ears.

to an extent, i agree with you. each style is a tool box with tools in it. how many tools are in the box and how well they are used depends highly on the individulal, their training, their character etc.

however, many styles have some highly impractical tools and remain impractical no matter who is using them. thats the problem. people tend to wall themselves off in their gym/dojo or whatever and create an alternate reality and cult of personality around the person they train with and those that trained them and become more and more and more detached from reality over time... until, like this guy, they have to rely on the age old come back "we don't compete because most of what we study is just too deadly". i've heard that myself more than a few times... and funny enough, its always some jackass thats studied kung fu (or some variation) that says it.

modern competitive fighting is telling us that the most effective fighting is a good standup game of boxing/kicking and a good ground game. its not telling us "Kung Fu is the most effective because its been around for 1000s of years and we can all eventually learn the super secret, dragon talon, two finger touch of death" to knock out opponents.

arguing about what is effective and what isn't, IS productive in my opinion because martial arts, in the absense of combat fighting or real fighting has devolved for the most part into fantasy as there is no way to keep everyone in check.

chodadog · 11-30-2006, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

The no touch video has got to be the stupidest thing I've ever watched.

I think it's a toss up between the no touch video ( https://youtube.com/watch?v=tib2Urowsdc&NR ) and this one: https://youtube.com/watch?v=8ufaBKdY60w

I am undecided at this point.

NoWhErE · 11-30-2006, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

to an extent, i agree with you. each style is a tool box with tools in it. how many tools are in the box and how well they are used depends highly on the individulal, their training, their character etc.

however, many styles have some highly impractical tools and remain impractical no matter who is using them. thats the problem. people tend to wall themselves off in their gym/dojo or whatever and create an alternate reality and cult of personality around the person they train with and those that trained them and become more and more and more detached from reality over time... until, like this guy, they have to rely on the age old come back "we don't compete because most of what we study is just too deadly". i've heard that myself more than a few times... and funny enough, its always some jackass thats studied kung fu (or some variation) that says it.

modern competitive fighting is telling us that the most effective fighting is a good standup game of boxing/kicking and a good ground game. its not telling us "Kung Fu is the most effective because its been around for 1000s of years and we can all eventually learn the super secret, dragon talon, two finger touch of death" to knock out opponents.

arguing about what is effective and what isn't, IS productive in my opinion because martial arts, in the absense of combat fighting or real fighting has devolved for the most part into fantasy as there is no way to keep everyone in check.

Yup, I agree with you 100% and I do believe I covered that when I said :

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Originally Posted by NoWhErE

In today's society, most Martial Arts are obsolete of course, but we still train them for the benefits that they give us (discipline, good health and confidence).

If you all want to argue about what IS productive in a fight, go ahead, have fun, but understand that it is ultimately pointless.

Thinking what you're studying is better than everything else makes you a fool. Gloating that you're the best makes you a bigger fool. Gloating after beating down a fool, well... that doesn't make you much of anything.

RealityWife · 11-30-2006, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BitAudioVideo

Steven Seagal was an Aikido instructor before his 'amazing film career' =]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=H0VcOtneCRU

Nice Clip!

chodadog · 11-30-2006, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

I believe you are talking about this VIDEO.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=qa1nzD-n25Q

What did they do? The brought in BRAZILLIAN JIU JITSU guys in from Carlson Gracie Chicago for them to try their shit on. It failed. One of the BJJ guys brought in is a UFC MMA fighter by the name of Stephan Bonnar before he went Pro.

Anything from George Dillman is bullshit, which is this guy's "Instructor"

I like how he says natural athletes are less susceptible to the technique, yet everyone at his gym seems to get knocked out by it, and the female reporter does not. And it's just a coincidence that it didn't work on any of those BJJ guys. Haha.

Anthony · 11-30-2006, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by NoWhErE

Re read my first post, I'm not saying that guy didn't deserve to be knocked out, he deserved it like a bitch. Anybody who believes they can control "The force" obviously doesn't have both feet grounded to reality. Notice how not once I have said that the Aikido guy did not deserve the beating for yapping his mouth around. Thats what most people who run their mouths usually get.

I'm not saying the Aikido guy had a chance, what I'm saying is these fucking contests of "what form is better than another" is fucking moronic.

I love watching Pride and UFC, they both promote a GREAT sport. But comparing that vs Martial Art fighers is pointless.

Martial Art fighters who claim that their art is the most powerful have forgotten their most basic training and need to be humbled. Same goes for MMA fighters who boast the same.

There will always be someone stronger than you. An Aikido Master can be taken out by a chinese MMA fighter, that MMA fighter can be taken out by some little asian dude wielding an HK USP.40, that little asian dude can be taken out by a machine gun, so on and so forth.

So whats the point of comparing and trying to figure out who the best is? Its utterly and completely pointless.

The Aikido guy got what he deserved, but to watch you MMA guys gloat afterwards doesn't make you any better than him.

Now do you catch my drift?

So it's the gloating at watching some idiot who spent all his life and his delusions that get shattered that bothers you?

Keep your issues to yourself, this thread is about Bullshit Martial Art that got exsposed for being fake.

No one has to do a style versus style, it was done from UFC 1 through 4.

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I've never said that the aikido guy was any superior to anyone. He deserved what he got for believing that his style could translate into all out open combat.

Don't put words into my mouth.

So who are you making excuses for then?

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MMA : Mixed Martial Arts. Thus an assembly of Martial Arts consisting of move and techniques from various other styles. When combining a series of moves and techniques, what would you call it?

I think the term style would be a good choice. I'm also open to other suggestions.

MMA is not a style, it is a sport.

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Congrats, you win t3h prize.

Lame.

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Apples and oranges.

Get it?

Fighting is fighting. Stop making excuses for being inferior or training likewise.

NoWhErE · 11-30-2006, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

Fighting is fighting. Stop making excuses for being inferior or training likewise.

See, you just lost credibility and are now talking like a regular punk...

I tried stating a point and you're being a bully about it.

If you don't want to listen to what I have to say, thats your loss.

Now go ahead and flame on and say that you'll ignore me.

Indulge.

JD · 11-30-2006, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by NoWhErE

See, you just lost credibility and are now talking like a regular punk...

I tried stating a point and you're being a bully about it.

If you don't want to listen to what I have to say, thats your loss.

Now go ahead and flame on and say that you'll ignore me.

Indulge.

see that's why I choose to not say anything more than "oh snap/owned/omg wtf/wow that must have hurt/etc" in these threads. MMA knuckle heads always think them > all

Anthony · 11-30-2006, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by NoWhErE

See, you just lost credibility and are now talking like a regular punk...

I tried stating a point and you're being a bully about it.

If you don't want to listen to what I have to say, thats your loss.

Now go ahead and flame on and say that you'll ignore me.

Indulge.

So now I'm a punk? Truth hurts, eh?

Being a bully by debunking your "facts" and argument? That has to be the first time I have ever heard that excuse on why someone has lost an argument, ever.

I find it interesting that it's that you complain "I won't listen to what you have to say", yet you won't listen to anything I do.

Hypocritical? You betcha.

NoWhErE · 11-30-2006, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SPeRMiNaToR

see that's why I choose to not say anything more than "oh snap/owned/omg wtf/wow that must have hurt/etc" in these threads. MMA knuckle heads always think them > all

In situations like these, I can fully understand this quote :

Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.

- Albert Einstein

I'm not saying I am enlightened or very intelligent... I simply understand why he would say something like that.

Anthony · 11-30-2006, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SPeRMiNaToR

see that's why I choose to not say anything more than "oh snap/owned/omg wtf/wow that must have hurt/etc" in these threads. MMA knuckle heads always think them > all

If you can show me an instance where a MMA knuckle head gets his ass kicked by an Aikido guy, I will be the first to say MMA got beat.

dig420 · 11-30-2006, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by NoWhErE

See, you just lost credibility and are now talking like a regular punk...

I tried stating a point and you're being a bully about it.

If you don't want to listen to what I have to say, thats your loss.

Now go ahead and flame on and say that you'll ignore me.

Indulge.

Listening to what u say is pointless, as what you have to say makes absolutely no fucking sense. Much like fighting without touching the opponent.

If you want to get in shape and learn a sport, take tennis lessons. It teaches you how to play tennis. If you want to get in shape and learn to fight, take a martial art. If I paid for tennis lessons and never learned how to hit a ball, I'd be pissed off. If u pay for MA lessons and don't learn how to fight, you got ripped off.

There is ONE reason for learning a martial art, and all this shaolin monk/kung fu/ninja bullshit is just that, bullshit. If you're too thick to understand Anthony's point, that's not HIS problem, it's yours. It's not a difficult point to understand.

Anthony · 11-30-2006, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by NoWhErE

In situations like these, I can fully understand this quote :

Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.

- Albert Einstein

I'm not saying I am enlightened or very intelligent... I simply understand why he would say something like that.

In situations like these, I can fully understand this quote:

Don't aruge with an idiot, they drag you down to their level, and then beat you with experience.

- Anon

MikeB · 11-30-2006, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Metalsound

MMA Rules !!!

Is the most efective Martial Art on the street , no rules on the streets.

In the MMA tournaments - are they allowed to strike to the back and spine?

dig420 · 11-30-2006, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by NoWhErE

I'm not saying I am enlightened or very intelligent... I simply understand why he would say something like that.

You are neither. You are so open minded your brains fell out somewhere along the way.

Anthony · 11-30-2006, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeB

In the MMA tournaments - are they allowed to strike to the back and spine?

The broadest answer is no. Spine is off limits.

Most people understand it's not Mortal Kombat, and SubZero isn't gonna pull your spine out. At least I hope.

JD · 11-30-2006, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

If you can show me an instance where a MMA knuckle head gets his ass kicked by an Aikido guy, I will be the first to say MMA got beat.

lmao lern tu reed

did I say anything about MMA getting beat by aikido? nope.

Anthony · 11-30-2006, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SPeRMiNaToR

lmao lern tu reed

did I say anything about MMA getting beat by aikido? nope.

lmao u lern tu undastand, i wuz makeng n xample of it neva happering.

Z · 11-30-2006, 02:21 PM

This reminds me of the Steven Seagal challenge for a fight to the death with any martial artist in the world. He said it in a Black Belt magazine article when the martial arts world was saying he was a fake.

5 or 10 guys came back and took the challenge in the next month's issue, he never responded to any of them. That was the beginning of the end of his career.

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11-30-2006, 11:18 AM	#64
NoWhErE Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 10,383	I think alot of people are forgetting what the essence of Martial Arts are. Most Japanese Martial Arts were created for a specific reason and fine tuned for that reason. I.E : Karate. Developped secretly by Japanese farmers, it was called the art of the open handed fist. Its nature was to allow a seemingly harmless farmer to defend himself against attackers (bandits, soldiers, etc.) wielding weapons. Every student is taught to block sturdily joints and to strike extremely quickly, thus creating an effective defense against weapon wielding strikers (with more or less training of course). Kung-Fu : Monks who were constantly robbed and killed in their monastaries by bandits wanting their possessions formed specific defenses against them to effectively neutralize them utilizing everything in their environment. They took inspiration from animals and elements to create their martial art. etc. etc. The point is, these Martial arts were created from necessity, not for direct gladiator-like confrontation. Most Martial Arts utilize the element of surprise as their main weapon. Martial Artists seemingly look week at first glance, but are trained to react and overthrow an opponent who is not expecting it. So when you put these people in a ring where they're both opponents know eachothers habilities, you're elimating the traditionnal Martial Artists basic skill, which, again, is the element of surprise. Any proper Martial Arts school first teaches its students that what they are learning is to defend themselves, not to engage in all out combat. Any student who ends up in such a situation has not fully understood what they are learning. So when putting a Martial Artist against an MMA fighter, you're basically comparing apples and oranges. The MMA fighter will always come out victorious because you are basically on their turf. Naked, hand to hand combat is obviously dominated by MMA fighters because they are muscled up gladiators who train specifically for that. Give them a sword, put them up against an Iaido student, and they will be quickly cut down. Put them against a weapoin wielding thug, and alot of them will have to think twice about their approach on how to disarm them as compared to a Krav Maga student (I believe they are the ones that intensily study weapon defense). So what is my point? These debates are dumb. Its basically all a penis comparing contest that ultimately leads nowhere because anybody with half a brain knows that MMA fighters have the upper hand in no holds barred combat. But no they are not the ultimate evolution in fighting. __________________ skype: lordofthecameltoe

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Z Vidi Vici Veni Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 6,308	This reminds me of the Steven Seagal challenge for a fight to the death with any martial artist in the world. He said it in a Black Belt magazine article when the martial arts world was saying he was a fake. 5 or 10 guys came back and took the challenge in the next month's issue, he never responded to any of them. That was the beginning of the end of his career.