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12-03-2006, 08:32 AM
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About NATS and signup ratios
Stumbled upon this post http://www.gfy.com/11352117-post41.html
It's funny, I though it was only me who's had this problem. FlashCash switched to NATS some time ago, and ever since my signup ratios doubled (got 2x worse). All flashcash webmasters are reporting same problem on their forum, but FlashCash is saying that everything is fine. I know for a fact that something is wrong. Your ratio can't just double for no reason. I've had the same, very steady SE traffic for years and all of the sudden ratios go to shit overnight? Smell like bullshit. So what the hell IS wrong with NATS? |
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12-03-2006, 08:33 AM
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Maybe it counts more hits, or something?
Does your amount of sales keep steady, or have those dropped as well?
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12-03-2006, 08:33 AM
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Never had much luck with proggies that made the switch either.
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12-03-2006, 08:36 AM
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12-03-2006, 08:39 AM
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12-03-2006, 08:40 AM
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Well i know one thing for sure and thats i never made a penny more with a program that switched to nats.
Its funny all program owners say signups triple after switching to nats and no webmaster ever seems to notice that. If they notice anything its usually less sales than before. How the Fleshlight crew still can claim "nothing wrong here" is beyond me. |
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12-03-2006, 08:45 AM
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Maybe they also switched processors concurrently with their move to NATS? What are some programs that have switched to NATS within the past 6 months?
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12-03-2006, 09:16 AM
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maybe it is a conspiricy....
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12-03-2006, 09:34 AM
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maybe all sales are backlogged and will all come in the next few weeks
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12-03-2006, 09:52 AM
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this sucks if true...
i actually like the nats affiliate interface...
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12-03-2006, 09:58 AM
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Real-Bucks switched to NATS a few weeks ago, both hits and sales tracking seems roughly the same to me...
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12-03-2006, 10:05 AM
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Does Flash Cash use NATs fully?
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12-03-2006, 10:16 AM
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12-03-2006, 10:30 AM
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i noticed a real serious drop in sales once fleshlight switched over too, so much so that i ended up pulling all my links.
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12-03-2006, 10:59 AM
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12-03-2006, 11:04 AM
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I was about the post the same...what a fucking tool. Fucking surfers here shouldnt be allowed in business threads. |
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12-03-2006, 11:12 AM
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I have heard the same thing, and on my personal sites, I have always done better with programs that don't use nats than with those that do
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12-03-2006, 11:32 AM
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If someone knows of a problem or bug with nats, they will fix it. But between webmasters, surfers, and the programs nobody has seen any "issues" that would cause sales or ratios to drop.
NATS programs can be setup very differently. From processors, the amount of processors, how exits/xsales work and credit, if we have geoip or not, and more than I can list. NATS also tracks more clicks, all clicks even if the visitor never sees the tour. Then we have to look at the sites, the niches, all that bs.. I have seen sites using nats which convert 1:200-400 for webmasters steady for long periods of time. I like to think that if something is wrong, someone would have noticed it. Lots of smart people use nats in all types of ways. Look at the program, look at the setup, the niches, and errors made by the program.. No reason to blame the software until we can find a problem with the software.
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 And that "verified signups" feature on FlashCash (you only get paid for them) ?  I'm not terribly happy about it  |
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12-03-2006, 01:24 PM
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12-03-2006, 01:24 PM
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i said it as a joke retards.
obviously humour are not your strong points. jerk circles
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I have never stayed with a program very long after they switched to NATS. I am like 1:15000 for a program that uses nats, down from 1:350!
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12-03-2006, 01:30 PM
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There is NO 3rd party software that is 100% reliable. A proven fact.
But, Epoch's new software in Beta should change that. We are getting setup with that now... Wait and see ;) |
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12-03-2006, 01:30 PM
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WTF is a "verified signup"?
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12-03-2006, 01:32 PM
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12-03-2006, 01:34 PM
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If epoch wants to improve things they should correct the data post features and make it easier to get missing posts. Same goes for CCBill.
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12-03-2006, 01:46 PM
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FlashCash could have it setup differently but normally verified signups mean they pay on the trial after the trial converts to a full membership. They would pay on monthly memberships straight away. FC uses trial member areas so trial to converts are probably pretty good.
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12-03-2006, 01:49 PM
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Sales will not go down because a program uses NATS, they should improve at least a little because of adding a second biller. The problem some webmasters including myself have ran into when a program switches to NATS is that program did not set up every page for NATS. Its easy for a program owner to have a page out there that affiliate have been sending traffic for years yet they forget to set the page up for NATS. I am sure there are other reasons this can happen, but if the install is done correctly and every page is set up for NATS your sales should not slump.
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12-03-2006, 01:49 PM
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We had nothing but increase in sales since the switch to NATS and all our partners I talk with say the same.
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12-03-2006, 01:52 PM
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Verified signup means that the surfer sucessfully logged into the site with his L/P within 3 days. Fucking bullshit if you ask me. Look at my stats. 8 people out of 30 fail to log in? Why the fuck do they signup for then? Oh and if it was like you said (verified = trial that converted to full), what is the point of having trials if they dont pay on them? |
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12-03-2006, 01:57 PM
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I see.. Yeah, that's the thing with NATS, and EVERY program. We can and do use it in different ways. Somethings are standard but overall programs can be widely different with it's features and setup. With the issue of 8 out of 30 logins, it still sounds like trials are still paid on the upgrade. At least 90% of my people login.. Trial member areas push trial to converts to 35-55% depending on the traffic source so with a small drop in logins, you could have a 30% convert rate.
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I bet its true in your case but its funny how often the affiliates say completely other things. |
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Either of the following might be: - bugs in the tracking of sales - Processor not reporting correctly back to nats - encoded URLs not being tracked correctly - fucked up cookies(some programmers don't know how to use them) - Sponsor skimming sales I no longer give a shit. I've gone back to all my old sponsors that paid and fuck the new shit.
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hmmm...this thread raised my curiosity. I will restart promoting FlashCash to see if there´s any ratio difference from one year ago.
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Re: all of the "subtle" accusations of shaving. I thought this board had some rules about that? If you have something to say, say it. There is NO shave feature in NATS, never has been, never will be. It is not "impossible" to shave with any software. I've never claimed that with NATS. We simply said we won't have a shave feature and we won't allow it. Which, surprisingly enough was different than the norm when we launched our product. Lets not open that discussion up again tho.
Those who love to generate attention for themselves on GFY seem to love to twist words tho. If you think someone is shaving, say something, don't just go around hinting at subtle things to get your sig views. Re: verified signups, we have an update/info about that coming monday.
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I'm not getting into an argument with the collection of GFY personalities in this thread. If you have an issue, contact us or the program owner. The posting vague accusations is really a waste of my time.
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