A CHALLENGE to the SUCCESSFUL and UNSUCCESSFUL - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

Babaganoosh · 01-07-2007, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by fr0gman

DJ the thing that amuses me most about you is that you seek every opportunity to shine a light on your ignorance. Every time I find what I think is the most brain-dead fast food drive through employee all I have to do is open GFY and read one of your posts and it renews my belief in functional retardation.

I despise DorkJedi but I find myself agreeing with him 100% on this one. That isn't an easy feat.

If your idiotic business model is just a ploy to sell shit to newbies (and I sincerely hope it is) then please accept my apologies.

phasic · 01-07-2007, 11:53 AM

fr0g so am i in or not

scouser · 01-07-2007, 12:01 PM

This sounds like a very good idea, and I would deff be interested (and I am "unsuccessul").It also looks like you've actually put some good thought into it

How is it actually going to work in terms of mentors finding and selecting people to "mentor"?

fr0gman · 01-07-2007, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I'm lambasting your approach of helping individual noobs instead of improving things for everyone. Again your figures are assuming you do not desert other parts of your business. You assume people have the FREE time to help noobs.

What do I NOT DO to devote time to teaching noobs?

Maybe I should stop updating the site, SEO, the running of the site, new projects, improving text on the site, teaching my two shooters how to get more out of models, posting on boards on a Sunday morning

, going to shows to do deals?

What do I give up to help these noobs reach 2 sign ups a day and who then will fuck off to work for "Iconvertbetterandkissass.com"? Because I ignored other vital jobs.

Affiliates are self employed, they expect 50% +, tools and support. Now you're asking me to teach them.

OK any noob who wants to sign a 3 year contract that they will work only for me can get all the knowledge I have.

Now do you see the flaw in your plan?

Improve the effectiveness of your site and your business will improve. And keep improving, plus you are less likely to lose affiliates to better converting sites.

BINGO Paul!

You are doing exactly what I wanted you to do; think of what you could do in order to make this work.

I bet that if you were serious there are plenty of people that would sign a 3 year contract to be tutored directly by you. I know that I would if I were interested in being successful in content production and marketing. I am sure that I am not the only one.

fr0gman · 01-07-2007, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

I despise DorkJedi but I find myself agreeing with him 100% on this one. That isn't an easy feat.

If your idiotic business model is just a ploy to sell shit to newbies (and I sincerely hope it is) then please accept my apologies.

Don't miss the forest by looking too closely at the trees.

Think about what you just wrote. If there is any time that you agree with DJ 100% you need to completely rethink your position.

Voodoo · 01-07-2007, 12:47 PM

I'm not of the "Fuck Noob" crowd, I do however believe that most people "in the know" learned the "how" by busting ass and teaching themselves. Noobs are no different. Lately it seems like every noob and their retarded uncle is coming into the industry, and they go straight to GFY and start asking for "Help". Help = Free Work. I for one am simply too busy to go around helping people figure out how to teach themselves things, as I know most everyone else is. Those who have time to teach, are either broke (And I wouldn't listen to them in the first place) or they are lying about the info they are passing on (usually). Either way, this is nice in theory, however, I don't have much faith that it will go anywhere but into the dark recesses of GFY's archives.

This challenge would do nothing but "Help" Noobs.

A successful person would just hire someone and train them from the ground up, and forget about the rest of this.

Deputy Chief Command · 01-07-2007, 12:53 PM

doomed to fail ...

fr0gman · 01-07-2007, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Voodoo

I'm not of the "Fuck Noob" crowd, I do however believe that most people "in the know" learned the "how" by busting ass and teaching themselves. Noobs are no different. Lately it seems like every noob and their retarded uncle is coming into the industry, and they go straight to GFY and start asking for "Help". Help = Free Work. I for one am simply too busy to go around helping people figure out how to teach themselves things, as I know most everyone else is. Those who have time to teach, are either broke (And I wouldn't listen to them in the first place) or they are lying about the info they are passing on (usually). Either way, this is nice in theory, however, I don't have much faith that it will go anywhere but into the dark recesses of GFY's archives.

This challenge would do nothing but "Help" Noobs.

A successful person would just hire someone and train them from the ground up, and forget about the rest of this.

What I find interesting about this thread is that I never mentioned noobs yet everyone seems to think this is all about noobs. What I said was that the SUCCESSFUL should mentor the UNSUCCESSFUL. That does not mean do their work it means MENTOR. If you are working to the point that you have no time to spare to grow your business then you need to find someone who has better time management skills and ask to be mentored in what they do that makes them successful in that area.

We all have time. Some of us are either afraid to share that time or simply refuse for whatever reason.

There are 480 minutes in an 8 hour day. Spend 4.8 (1%) of your next work day writing something that will teach someone how to do something to which you are successful. THAT is how you start. Then the next day you devote 5 minutes....

stev0 · 01-07-2007, 01:05 PM

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FIRST CHALLENGE:

I formally challenge every successful person on GFY to commit to mentoring a group of affiliates for 36 months.

So... devote time out of my schedule to teach newbies what I spent years learning, so that I can compete with them? No thanks... for every newbie that starts making cash in this biz, it means a pay cut for the rest of us.

Voodoo · 01-07-2007, 01:08 PM

I'm not too busy to build my own business model. I'm too busy to build someone else's.

Those who you have labeled "Unsuccessful" ARE "Noobs". Apparently, you don't understand that concept.

DarkJedi · 01-07-2007, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by deadmoon

This sounds like a very good idea, and I would deff be interested (and I am "unsuccessul")

What a coincidence, unsucessfull noobs are the only people who think this is a good idea

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Originally Posted by deadmoon

How is it actually going to work in terms of mentors finding and selecting people to "mentor"?

It's not gonna work. Nobody's going to teach you shit. Do your own homework.

starpimps · 01-07-2007, 01:13 PM

id love to see how this unfolds

scouser · 01-07-2007, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi

What a coincidence, unsucessfull noobs are the only people who think this is a good idea

Oi lol ;) I am not really a noob. I know what I am doing upto a point and create quite a nice income for the amount of work i've done so far on my sites.

Voodoo · 01-07-2007, 01:28 PM

Success is a journey, not a destiniation.

For those of you who claim to be "Unsuccessful", here's some Mentoring... Get off your lazy ass and pursue success. That's the only way to get there. For those of you who claim to be successful... See you at the top.

fr0gman · 01-07-2007, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by stev0

So... devote time out of my schedule to teach newbies what I spent years learning, so that I can compete with them? No thanks... for every newbie that starts making cash in this biz, it means a pay cut for the rest of us.

If this is true then you have placed yourself in the wrong category.

People who think that by teaching others to be successful you somehow dilute the pool are missing the bigger picture.

fr0gman · 01-07-2007, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Voodoo

Success is a journey, not a destiniation.

For those of you who claim to be "Unsuccessful", here's some Mentoring... Get off your lazy ass and pursue success. That's the only way to get there. For those of you who claim to be successful... See you at the top.

Success is a frame of mind. Even those that view themselves as Unsuccessful are very successful at doing SOMETHING. Take our friend DarkJedi as an example. Even though I think that on a personal level he is a complete asshat if I were running a think tank I would give him the job of finding the problems with new ideas. Even though he is wrong 90% of the time there is some value in when he is right.

I would have him submit his opinions in writing to a "buffer" group to keep him away from direct human contact, but that is most like how he is most comfortable.

See DJ is a mis-matcher. He is psychologically predisposed to finding how things DON'T work and there is value in having that skill. DJ is successful in his own right and even though he is abrasive and he often makes me want to take a stick to his head, the world needs people like him.

Xplicit · 01-07-2007, 02:11 PM

fr0g just wants newbies to admire him.

DarkJedi · 01-07-2007, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by fr0gman

See DJ is a mis-matcher. He is psychologically predisposed to finding how things DON'T work and there is value in having that skill..

Listen fuckstick, there is half a dozen people here who think your idea is stupid, and not a single one who thinks it's good.

The only idiot in this thread is you. Stop wasting our time and go do something productive for a change instead of wasting everyones time.

fr0gman · 01-07-2007, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Xplicit

fr0g just wants newbies to admire him.

You got cowboy... That is why I pointed this thread to program owners.

fr0gman · 01-07-2007, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi

Listen fuckstick, there is half a dozen people here who think your idea is stupid, and not a single one who thinks it's good.

The only idiot in this thread is you. Stop wasting our time and go do something productive for a change instead of wasting everyones time.

I never called you an idiot. Quite the contrary. I was giving you a compliment and your propensity for finding the WRONG in any given situation shines through yet again, solidifying my theory about you.

DarkJedi · 01-07-2007, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by fr0gman

I never called you an idiot. Quite the contrary. I was giving you a compliment and your propensity for finding the WRONG in any given situation shines through yet again, solidifying my theory about you.

Ok, so what do you think I'm wrong about?

Post some examples.

baddog · 01-07-2007, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

You are way to late. I've been telling people on boards that good porn leads to better earnings for years. Some have picked it up and used it, others have not. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

As for teaching people how to shoot porn, ask around about whether I give out info and help on pornography. Go look at the article I have dotted around about shooting pornography, again the stupid still insist I'm talking about photography. But as I said, horses ...........

As for helping noob affiliates, you need to ask my affiliates if I'm helpful. Even though my knowledge of traffic is limited.

There is a world beyond porn

fr0gman · 01-07-2007, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi

Ok, so what do you think I'm wrong about?

Post some examples.

You are kidding me right? EVERYONE is wrong at some point...

Since you asked for examples:

We can start with your most recent statement about Muslims allowing other faiths in Mosques. As a rule they do not. Devout Muslims view other religions, especially Christians and Jews as unholy and unclean.

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi

Charly (paul markham) has been on this board for 6 years, and every fucking one of his posts is SPAM.

You are also wrong here. Paul makes some very substantiative posts.

See the problem is that you so rarely post anything other than "You are a moron, stop stalking me homo" so it is complicated to find anything.... however after your statement about my selling "snake oil" I ran across this gem:

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi

there is no "Black Hat SEO"

there is SE spamming.

- first of all, you have to be very good at it - know some programming, have complicated scripts, etc etc.

- then you have to work every day, because google bans your domains within a few days after getting your spam pages into the serps.

- then you need to constantly keep your edge.

it does pay off, but it's a pretty hard work and requires much skill.

personally, i like to stick to White sites.
once you get ranked in the top 10, you pretty much don;t have to do anything to stay up there, and the traffic just keeps coming in, while you devlop other sites.

My favorite part about this is the part where you say, "it does pay off". You are 100% right on this one. But then in the same breath you say, "i like to stick to White sites.
once you get ranked in the top 10, you pretty much don;t have to do anything to stay up there". 159% WRONG on this one.

In short you simply make me laugh. You are amusing like so many clowns at a Shriners Circus.

DarkJedi · 01-07-2007, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by fr0gman

We can start with your most recent statement about Muslims allowing other faiths in Mosques. As a rule they do not. Devout Muslims view other religions, especially Christians and Jews as unholy and unclean.

We have a huge mosque in the city and it has a tablet on the door saying that everyone is welcome to come inside, no matter what religion they are.

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Originally Posted by fr0gman

Paul makes some very substantiative posts.

All these posts have one purpose: for him to promote his content.

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Originally Posted by fr0gman

See the problem is that you so rarely post anything other than "You are a moron, stop stalking me homo" so it is complicated to find anything.... however after your statement about my selling "snake oil" I ran across this gem:

My favorite part about this is the part where you say, "it does pay off". You are 100% right on this one. But then in the same breath you say, "i like to stick to White sites.
once you get ranked in the top 10, you pretty much don;t have to do anything to stay up there". 159% WRONG on this one.

I have had a site in top 3 position for a very competitive term for 5 years.
Once it got there, i havent touched it. It just sits there and keeps bringing traffic in.

You = 0wned.

ohtechwiz · 01-07-2007, 03:39 PM

As a relatively new person who is spending 25+ hours per week researching and building this business. It would be nice to work with someone who has been doing it a few years just for the occasional question that could save as many of those 25+ hours as possible. I would like to see more of this industry pull together as an industry and move the industry up more. No matter what business you are in competition is health and only threatening if you business is weak.

I would love to have a mentor and then in 36 months be one. Hit me up. My ICQ is 52017127.

Babaganoosh · 01-07-2007, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by fr0gman

If there is any time that you agree with DJ 100% you need to completely rethink your position.

If you cause anyone to agree with DJ 100% I think you need to rethink YOUR position. Your little plan is so asinine that it could have come straight from the mind of Spacedog.

fr0gman · 01-07-2007, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

If you cause anyone to agree with DJ 100% I think you need to rethink YOUR position. Your little plan is so asinine that it could have come straight from the mind of Spacedog.

Another comment from one of the fearful (as in full of fear) brigade.

I am trying to get you people to THINK yet you cannot see beyond the tip of your nose.

I will concede to your opinion for a moment. Can you offer a better idea or are you like DJ simply here to point fingers?

fr0gman · 01-07-2007, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi

We have a huge mosque in the city and it has a tablet on the door saying that everyone is welcome to come inside, no matter what religion they are.

All these posts have one purpose: for him to promote his content.

I have had a site in top 3 position for a very competitive term for 5 years.
Once it got there, i havent touched it. It just sits there and keeps bringing traffic in.

You = 0wned.

OK Mr. I-know-Muslims... try that at ANY traditional (read un-westernized) Mosque and you will find that you are treated less that cordailly.

Have you heard of Jihad?

Why should Paul's post be anything other than promotion for his business. This is a business board for business people to sell, promote recruit and discuss not for snot-nosed punks that are looking for a fun place to hang out and have FUN between rounds of WOW.

Top 3? PROVE IT!

Xplicit · 01-08-2007, 12:15 AM

OMG fr0g you're a hero to all newbies!!!

::bows down:::

HomeFry · 01-08-2007, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by fr0gman

Another comment from one of the fearful (as in full of fear) brigade.

I am trying to get you people to THINK yet you cannot see beyond the tip of your nose.

I will concede to your opinion for a moment. Can you offer a better idea or are you like DJ simply here to point fingers?

Fearful? How about intelligent.

So far you've done nothing but beg for someone to enlighten YOU, and every other n00b on here. This is a lame ploy to get free knowledge about the inner workings of an industry that doesn't want you in it.

So I suggest you just go signup for the programs that are out there, put up your links and earn your little scraps. Nobody here is going to hand you the keys to any kingdom that THEY built. Build your own fucking kingdom, then come back and we'll throw some n00bs your way so you can teach them and we can all laugh at you, fucktard.

Can someone hand me a can of n00b-B-Gone? Spray this clown.

Paul Markham · 01-08-2007, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by fr0gman

BINGO Paul!

You are doing exactly what I wanted you to do; think of what you could do in order to make this work.

I bet that if you were serious there are plenty of people that would sign a 3 year contract to be tutored directly by you. I know that I would if I were interested in being successful in content production and marketing. I am sure that I am not the only one.

I seriously doubt if people would sign a contract and there is one the downfalls, the other being what do I neglect so I can devote time to tutoring newbies who will take the information and use it elsewhere?

I employ people I tutor all the time and they are on a contract that I have to give them 3 months notice and they can walk out tomorrow.

Your scheme is a nice idea and the guy who wrote the book is the real winner. But this is how you make more money via affiliates.

DEVOTE ALL YOUR EFFORTS TOWARDS CONVINCING THEIR TRAFFIC, YOUR SITE IS WORTH $30.

Then inside the site make them feel like it was such a good experience they will come back and rejoin in six months.

This will succeed on two levels. Affiliates with good traffic are not the fools of 6 years ago, they can spot a good site. They will see your site earns them more money than another site. More will join and more will send you more/better traffic.

After a very short time a site owner will find a significant number of surfers coming back to the site to rejoin. Many times without an affiliate code. Also when an ex member sees a link or gallery for a site he had joined and enjoyed he is more likely to go see what is happening and rejoin. Benefiting the second affiliate.

THE ABOVE IS INFORMATION FOR THOSE WITH THE BRAINS TO USE IT AND SPAM FOR THOSE WITHOUT.

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scouser marketer. Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: bcn Posts: 2,280	This sounds like a very good idea, and I would deff be interested (and I am "unsuccessul").It also looks like you've actually put some good thought into it How is it actually going to work in terms of mentors finding and selecting people to "mentor"?

01-07-2007, 12:47 PM	#56
Voodoo ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 10,592	I'm not of the "Fuck Noob" crowd, I do however believe that most people "in the know" learned the "how" by busting ass and teaching themselves. Noobs are no different. Lately it seems like every noob and their retarded uncle is coming into the industry, and they go straight to GFY and start asking for "Help". Help = Free Work. I for one am simply too busy to go around helping people figure out how to teach themselves things, as I know most everyone else is. Those who have time to teach, are either broke (And I wouldn't listen to them in the first place) or they are lying about the info they are passing on (usually). Either way, this is nice in theory, however, I don't have much faith that it will go anywhere but into the dark recesses of GFY's archives. This challenge would do nothing but "Help" Noobs. A successful person would just hire someone and train them from the ground up, and forget about the rest of this.

01-07-2007, 01:08 PM	#60
Voodoo ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 10,592	I'm not too busy to build my own business model. I'm too busy to build someone else's. Those who you have labeled "Unsuccessful" ARE "Noobs". Apparently, you don't understand that concept.

01-07-2007, 01:28 PM	#64
Voodoo ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 10,592	Success is a journey, not a destiniation. For those of you who claim to be "Unsuccessful", here's some Mentoring... Get off your lazy ass and pursue success. That's the only way to get there. For those of you who claim to be successful... See you at the top.

01-07-2007, 02:11 PM	#67
Xplicit Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: █◄►█ Posts: 3,558	fr0g just wants newbies to admire him.

01-07-2007, 03:39 PM	#75
ohtechwiz Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Bellingham, WA Posts: 39	As a relatively new person who is spending 25+ hours per week researching and building this business. It would be nice to work with someone who has been doing it a few years just for the occasional question that could save as many of those 25+ hours as possible. I would like to see more of this industry pull together as an industry and move the industry up more. No matter what business you are in competition is health and only threatening if you business is weak. I would love to have a mentor and then in 36 months be one. Hit me up. My ICQ is 52017127.

01-08-2007, 12:15 AM	#79
Xplicit Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: █◄►█ Posts: 3,558	OMG fr0g you're a hero to all newbies!!! ::bows down:::