Understanding the product you're selling. - GoFuckYourself.com

Paul Markham · 02-08-2007, 01:59 AM

Saw a post on another board and it was not from a clueless newbie, he might be clueless though

, and it made me think. How many really understand the product they are trying to sell?

You might understand the delivery method and how to load it up, but how many truly understand what they're selling?

His point was he wants sites with exclusive models and sites without saturated content.

It's possible to get an exclusive model. By paying her a lot of money. A decent looking model who will convert traffic can earn $50,000 a year in this business. Add on the cost of shooting her and you're looking at a very big content bill.

Yes you can sign up a model on an exclusive rev share deal, but she will own you unless you can keep paying her and her boyfriend or you find the 1 girl in 100 who will work for peanuts while you spread pictures of her naked across the Internet.

If a niche has 50 sites, with different site owners, and we sell a set to 20% of them then that set is saturated. If there are 500 sites and we sell to 50 of them we have barely scratched the surface and made a lot of money. Now go figure why good shooters shoot for the same money as 5-10 sales. Seems they don't want to make any money or it's a bit tougher to saturate content.

If you disagree with that, tell me how we sell a set to 10 sites in a niche with 2,000 sites and it gets saturated. Also explain why so many people are buying content on a continuous basis when it's not working and their sites are not working.

And lastly. If you want all these things, please don't tell us that "Top Dollars" supplies it. Because the top 20 companies can do it does not mean everyone else can and if you want to narrow down your choice of sites to promote you have to realise what others can deliver. The top programs love it when you ask for what they can afford to give out.

LiveDose · 02-08-2007, 02:02 AM

I definitely drank too much tonight.

Chio · 02-08-2007, 02:03 AM

I'm guessing this another lame attempt at spam disguised as a business post so here's a pic of Lil' Kim with 2 cocks in her mouth

PS how goes the magic link business?

aico · 02-08-2007, 02:04 AM

I think taking pictures of girls with big smiles as they are getting fucked is completely not understanding the market. But, that's just my opinion.

scouser · 02-08-2007, 02:08 AM

Haha lol

Shoehorn! · 02-08-2007, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Chio

I'm guessing this another lame attempt at spam disguised as a business post so here's a pic of Lil' Kim with 2 cocks in her mouth

PS how goes the magic link business?

goldmine · 02-08-2007, 02:23 AM

wow... nice post.

no cheap website link? LoL

Troels · 02-08-2007, 02:27 AM

Why would anyone post on gfy what works and what doesn't?
If your business model works keep your mouth shut.
I guess this is a spam post like chio mentioned.

goldmine · 02-08-2007, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Troels

Why would anyone post on gfy what works and what doesn't?
If your business model works keep your mouth shut.
I guess this is a spam post like chio mentioned.

i disagree... i maybe jumping paul's post sometimes as well (for fun) but give the man a credit. He just wanted to share something. Didnt see any links here

Paul Markham · 02-08-2007, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Troels

Why would anyone post on gfy what works and what doesn't?
If your business model works keep your mouth shut.
I guess this is a spam post like chio mentioned.

Because when you have a lot of people trying to sell a product they do not understand you run the risk of losing the customers trust, respect and sales. You end up with a situation of 1000 people looking and 1 person buying.

And we would hate this industry to get to that situation wouldn't we.

Of course if your business model is a lot people driving a lot more people in the hope that someone will buy something then I can see how you would see things differently.

Paul Markham · 02-08-2007, 02:40 AM

Or you already know how do it and need to keep it to yourself becasue you're scared others will learn.

rowan · 02-08-2007, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by aico

I think taking pictures of girls with big smiles as they are getting fucked is completely not understanding the market. But, that's just my opinion.

Placing the head of a penis inside a model's vagina for a perfectly posed shot is "getting fucked" ?

Maybe I'm horribly inexperienced, but I've never known a girl's temperature, complexion and sweat level to stay normal when she's being fucked!

Paul Markham · 02-08-2007, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by rowan

Placing the head of a penis inside a model's vagina for a perfectly posed shot is "getting fucked" ?

Maybe I'm horribly inexperienced, but I've never known a girl's temperature, complexion and sweat level to stay normal when she's being fucked!

Did you ever think aico might not know what happens to a girl when she's having sex?

Or that the girls "temperature, complexion and sweat level" only rise as she pockets the money he leaves her?

rotterdammer · 02-08-2007, 04:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chio

I'm guessing this another lame attempt at spam disguised as a business post so here's a pic of Lil' Kim with 2 cocks in her mouth

PS how goes the magic link business?

Muhuhahahaha funny

Paul Markham · 02-08-2007, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by rotterdammer

Muhuhahahaha funny

Thanks for the bump.

Kimo · 02-08-2007, 08:19 AM

interesting.....

aico · 02-08-2007, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Did you ever think aico might not know what happens to a girl when she's having sex?

Funny, I often wonder the same thing about you when ever I see your ridiculous photos.

jayeff · 02-08-2007, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Troels

If your business model works keep your mouth shut.

If there were more professionals in online porn, this might not be such a tired old cliché...

Do you seriously imagine that anyone who is successful has any real secrets from others who understand the field in which they operate? The reality is that you could post a blueprint for your business on the internet and doing so would not dent your income by a cent, nor make many others rich.

Few if any business models are technically complex or especially innovative. One company succeeds while another fails, because of differences in vision or philosophy and the way they are applied. Every single bit of knowledge anyone needs to be successful is right out there in the public domain, but most are content to produce poor copies of what they see someone else doing, instead of taking the trouble to learn and understand for themselves.

jayeff · 02-08-2007, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by aico

Funny, I often wonder the same thing about you when ever I see your ridiculous photos.

...a comment which demonstrates very well that understanding the product you sell is not important, but understanding your market is. You likely would not target Paul's pictures at the same audience you might Nubiles' content (for example), but to fail to recognize that there is a market for them, is, well sad.

Online porn, with some honorable exceptions, works on the principle of one size fits all. We pay some lip service to the concept that different strokes suit different folks, by talking about categories and niches. But by and large we make no distinction between different parts of our potential audience. Horny late teens or dirty old men; educated or trailer trash: they all get the same.

As a result, success in this business is largely achieved by throwing enough raw numbers at products and living off the tiny proportion to whom we actually sell something. Our efforts at growth focus on making those raw numbers bigger or on tweaks intended to appeal to those to whom we already appeal. There is little evidence we think at all about why we fail to sell to 799 out of 800 (or whatever).

Which is maybe not the smartest way to work, when it could be easier to make 1 more sale to the 800 visitors you already have, than to have to find 800 more.

LiveDose · 02-08-2007, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by jayeff

If there were more professionals in online porn, this might not be such a tired old cliché...

Do you seriously imagine that anyone who is successful has any real secrets from others who understand the field in which they operate? The reality is that you could post a blueprint for your business on the internet and doing so would not dent your income by a cent, nor make many others rich.

Few if any business models are technically complex or especially innovative. One company succeeds while another fails, because of differences in vision or philosophy and the way they are applied. Every single bit of knowledge anyone needs to be successful is right out there in the public domain, but most are content to produce poor copies of what they see someone else doing, instead of taking the trouble to learn and understand for themselves.

Excellent post!

rowan · 02-08-2007, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Did you ever think aico might not know what happens to a girl when she's having sex?

Or that the girls "temperature, complexion and sweat level" only rise as she pockets the money he leaves her?

I get the feeling he was referring to your content.

I was.

Barefootsies · 02-08-2007, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chio

I'm guessing this another lame attempt at spam disguised as a business post so here's a pic of Lil' Kim with 2 cocks in her mouth

PS how goes the magic link business?

aico · 02-08-2007, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by rowan

I get the feeling he was referring to your content.

I was.

Ya I didn't want to say anything it was too priceless.

HighSociety · 02-08-2007, 05:28 PM

Hey Paul, look at the 10 girls on my site and try to find one of them on any other site in the world? Well without them breaking the law and stealing my content that is. All under contract. The more they do the more they make. Most are happy with what they have done and will accept the part they get from time to time from sales other then the pay site. I don't think people care. I even thought about selling it all and no one really cares that the models are 100% exclusive. I guess they figure it can be pulled off and it does.

DamageX · 02-08-2007, 05:30 PM

Here we go again.

HighSociety · 02-08-2007, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

Here we go again.

I couldn't help it

Barefootsies · 02-08-2007, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

Here we go again.

Paul Markham · 02-08-2007, 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayeff

If there were more professionals in online porn, this might not be such a tired old cliché...

Do you seriously imagine that anyone who is successful has any real secrets from others who understand the field in which they operate? The reality is that you could post a blueprint for your business on the internet and doing so would not dent your income by a cent, nor make many others rich.

Few if any business models are technically complex or especially innovative. One company succeeds while another fails, because of differences in vision or philosophy and the way they are applied. Every single bit of knowledge anyone needs to be successful is right out there in the public domain, but most are content to produce poor copies of what they see someone else doing, instead of taking the trouble to learn and understand for themselves.

Good post as always. What so many here think is porn is like programing and can be done like a "Paint by numbers" exercise. Get x amount of content, y number of affiliates, z traffic and it all falls into place. Porn never was like that and never will be, thankfully.

If I move the market up a bit I educate the affiliate and surfer a bit more and cut out some competition. Because most here will never learn.

made2ordervideos I never said it could not be done, just that it's not easy. OK your business relies on your ability to keep 10 porn models happy. Mind if I don't think that's a sound business plan.

INever · 02-09-2007, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Or that the girls "temperature, complexion and sweat level" only rise as she pockets the money he leaves her?

whoah...I want sweat on both sides of the deal, before and after, or no callbacks.

Legendary_Samir · 02-09-2007, 12:26 AM

I like you Paul ! Keep it up!

quiet · 02-09-2007, 12:32 AM

paul, you are a fucking idiot.

Paul Markham · 02-09-2007, 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayeff

...a comment which demonstrates very well that understanding the product you sell is not important, but understanding your market is. You likely would not target Paul's pictures at the same audience you might Nubiles' content (for example), but to fail to recognize that there is a market for them, is, well sad.

Online porn, with some honorable exceptions, works on the principle of one size fits all. We pay some lip service to the concept that different strokes suit different folks, by talking about categories and niches. But by and large we make no distinction between different parts of our potential audience. Horny late teens or dirty old men; educated or trailer trash: they all get the same.

As a result, success in this business is largely achieved by throwing enough raw numbers at products and living off the tiny proportion to whom we actually sell something. Our efforts at growth focus on making those raw numbers bigger or on tweaks intended to appeal to those to whom we already appeal. There is little evidence we think at all about why we fail to sell to 799 out of 800 (or whatever).

Which is maybe not the smartest way to work, when it could be easier to make 1 more sale to the 800 visitors you already have, than to have to find 800 more.

Another great post. The crazy part is many here dream about selling to one in 800.

Ask them how to achieve more sales and they will tell you throw more traffic at it. Few will say get more sales from the existing traffic they have.

People using the same format and method to double traffic and then wondering why they have not doubled sales. What they did was ignore the product and market in the expense of the traffic.

The problem is most don't understand the product and market, yet do understand the webmaster and traffic. There are exceptions and if you look at them they are doing fairly well. Some have realised if you can deliver a product that sells you let others who know about traffic deliver it.

Yes you will lose out a lot of webmasters who demand every whizz bang tool for free, 24 hour support, a party at every show, their asses kissed on boards. But the guys in this who want to make real money send traffic to where they make the most money.

DamageX · 02-09-2007, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by quiet

paul, you are a fucking idiot.

I think he's far from an idiot. But he sure goes to great lengths to make people think he is one.

CIVMatt · 02-09-2007, 12:03 PM

hellllllo it's called 'myspace'

Barefootsies · 02-09-2007, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamageX

I think he's far from an idiot. But he sure goes to great lengths to make people think he is one.

02-08-2007, 01:59 AM	#1
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Understanding the product you're selling. Saw a post on another board and it was not from a clueless newbie, he might be clueless though , and it made me think. How many really understand the product they are trying to sell? You might understand the delivery method and how to load it up, but how many truly understand what they're selling? His point was he wants sites with exclusive models and sites without saturated content. It's possible to get an exclusive model. By paying her a lot of money. A decent looking model who will convert traffic can earn $50,000 a year in this business. Add on the cost of shooting her and you're looking at a very big content bill. Yes you can sign up a model on an exclusive rev share deal, but she will own you unless you can keep paying her and her boyfriend or you find the 1 girl in 100 who will work for peanuts while you spread pictures of her naked across the Internet. If a niche has 50 sites, with different site owners, and we sell a set to 20% of them then that set is saturated. If there are 500 sites and we sell to 50 of them we have barely scratched the surface and made a lot of money. Now go figure why good shooters shoot for the same money as 5-10 sales. Seems they don't want to make any money or it's a bit tougher to saturate content. If you disagree with that, tell me how we sell a set to 10 sites in a niche with 2,000 sites and it gets saturated. Also explain why so many people are buying content on a continuous basis when it's not working and their sites are not working. And lastly. If you want all these things, please don't tell us that "Top Dollars" supplies it. Because the top 20 companies can do it does not mean everyone else can and if you want to narrow down your choice of sites to promote you have to realise what others can deliver. The top programs love it when you ask for what they can afford to give out. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

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Troels Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Between the clouds Posts: 1,035	Why would anyone post on gfy what works and what doesn't? If your business model works keep your mouth shut. I guess this is a spam post like chio mentioned. __________________ These guys steal your signups: Read here. And sexsearch.com profit from it. Check out which sponsors pay thieves here. And here's a list of clean sponsors.

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Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Or you already know how do it and need to keep it to yourself becasue you're scared others will learn. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

02-08-2007, 02:04 AM	#4
aico Moo Moo Cow Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Washington State Posts: 14,748	I think taking pictures of girls with big smiles as they are getting fucked is completely not understanding the market. But, that's just my opinion.

02-08-2007, 02:08 AM	#5
scouser marketer. Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: bcn Posts: 2,280	Haha lol

02-08-2007, 02:23 AM	#7
goldmine Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: USS Enterprise Posts: 952	wow... nice post. no cheap website link? LoL

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Kimo ... Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Maryland ICQ:87038677 Posts: 11,542	interesting..... __________________ ...

02-08-2007, 05:28 PM	#24
HighSociety Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,786	Hey Paul, look at the 10 girls on my site and try to find one of them on any other site in the world? Well without them breaking the law and stealing my content that is. All under contract. The more they do the more they make. Most are happy with what they have done and will accept the part they get from time to time from sales other then the pay site. I don't think people care. I even thought about selling it all and no one really cares that the models are 100% exclusive. I guess they figure it can be pulled off and it does. __________________ http://www.highsociety.com http://www.playgirl.com http://www.cheri.com Jonathan "JC" Maldini ICQ: 223 643

02-08-2007, 05:30 PM	#25
DamageX Marketing & Strategy Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Former nomad Posts: 14,293	Here we go again. __________________ Whitehat is for chumps If you don't do it, somebody else will - true story!

02-09-2007, 12:26 AM	#30
Legendary_Samir So Fucking Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 440	I like you Paul ! Keep it up!

02-09-2007, 12:32 AM	#31
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	paul, you are a fucking idiot.

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