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JD · 02-13-2007, 08:57 AM

wow.... looks like a whole lot of hacking is going on... maybe I should change my pw

Niklas · 02-13-2007, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Xyborg

how is that possible? they have absolute control of the system, they can put your money back into your account... surely

Well, it looks like someone has somehow managed to log into my account and sent the money to their epassporte account. I dont think epassporte could just ship the money back to me like that because for all they know Im the one who actually sent the money.

What they did was to block my account and the other person and I filled out a dispute form.

NinjaSteve · 02-13-2007, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi

congratz to teh winners!

LOL!!!!1!111

So evil!

Klen · 02-13-2007, 09:33 AM

Does'nt epass have chargebacks?

teomaxxx · 02-13-2007, 09:49 AM

WTF? There seems to be more robbing then one.
Zacsoft, did you get money from "EM_Newprosoft.com" and "GiorgittaJasmin" for some services ?
It looks like your account was used to collect money from all these robbed accounts and then transfered into account of "LIFLVDAU"

teomaxxx · 02-13-2007, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by zacboy

Some more things, i dont know the user LIFLVDAU, that user was added yesterday to my list maybe michael can check this if epassporte got a log.

When i call yesterday and talk for 40 miutes after waiting something like 30 minutes to get an operator, one of the things the operator do was block the account of LIFLVDAU after i demand he or she robbed to me too.

Like i see, somebody got some passwords of accounts of epassporte, put all the money to another hacked accounts, and another hacked accounts (washing the transactions) and send to his account the money. Maybe LIFLDAU got the same problem of us, maybe he is the person who robbed us.

Thats really one huge robbing action. 3-4 people accounts robbed at once, epassporte must have some serious security problems or some insider is
helping with such actions.
I dont belive someone can hack without problems 3-4 unknow people computers to get their login details.

I

FerencP · 02-13-2007, 09:58 AM

... manik149 is my ID

Sosa · 02-13-2007, 10:02 AM

what a mess

Zester · 02-13-2007, 10:02 AM

ok that's it i'm running to the ATM machine right this fucking second

Pimpin_J · 02-13-2007, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Niklas

What they did was to block my account and the other person and I filled out a dispute form.

Congrats, epassporte could be the best payment service online but they are killing themselfs with such actions. Customersupport doesnt even exist and michael seems to be the only one in the office down there..

zacboy · 02-13-2007, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by teomaxxx

WTF? There seems to be more robbing then one.
Zacsoft, did you get money from "EM_Newprosoft.com" and "GiorgittaJasmin" for some services ?
It looks like your account was used to collect money from all these robbed accounts and then transfered into account of "LIFLVDAU"

Maybe, because im waiting to receive a similar mount of dollars of differents programs and one mexican user and got in the epassporte account 400 of previously transaction.

Like other users a lot of times i received money from accounts i dont know but after of browse and browse find the unknow user is from an sponsor of any kind (sex or programs or casino or anything)...

Im changing passwords, forms of ways of pays of the sponsors, and looking for that users...

zacboy · 02-13-2007, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by FerencP

... manik149 is my ID

If i can help in any way, dont doubt in contact me at my icq 73371751.

uno · 02-13-2007, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by fallenmuffin

This is why I don't leave money in my epassporte account. Soon as it hits my account I transfer to my bank.

I do that too. I'd rather get interest on the money then let it sit in epass where they probably get the interest.

zacboy · 02-13-2007, 10:54 AM

Yes, i do that too, but sometimes you need to pay something and use the money of the epassporte, i pay the programs and partners i got with that...

woj · 02-13-2007, 11:08 AM

fucked up stuff... it seems to be a common problem, at least 5 people in this thread had their accounts hacked

FerencP · 02-13-2007, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by zacboy

If i can help in any way, dont doubt in contact me at my icq 73371751.

Thanks ... but Epassporte is that who should be help me ... and you ... and to everyone, who were robbed !!!

zacboy · 02-13-2007, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by woj

fucked up stuff... it seems to be a common problem, at least 5 people in this thread had their accounts hacked

I got problems before, two times, things i never buy appear on my epassporte, the total is 100U$s, try to get a chargeback to get my money back on my account but i dont get it. I lost that money.

Call, emails, fax but nothing work...

I got in the business a lot of years, change the passwords periodically and NEVER use he same password in the epassporte and another thing.

zentz · 02-13-2007, 11:40 AM

thats horrible.

Grisey · 02-13-2007, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by FerencP

Someone just hacked my account and transfered $499.30 and $495 to his own - ID: zacsoft ! Is there a way, how to get it back ? Who should i contact ? Please, help me !

Thank you

Same thing happened to me a while ago, someone transfered money into my account and then transfered that money plus what i had in my account to another account.

Epass even accused me of hacking the first persons account

Now thats customer service

NoMoreFromMe · 02-13-2007, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyber-Hu$tler

After signing up to a few programs that are actively promoted here I started getting those crazy fake epass and paypal emails that direct you to a mock site and steal your password. I was never stupid enough to fall for it, but apparently some people are.

I knew exactly what programs were doing it because I sign up to each program with it's own unique email address. The only thing I don't know is if the program owners were just selling the email lists with my email addy in it or actually sending those emails themselves. I couldn't prove shit because they weren't sending the emails from their domains so...

The moral of my rant is to be careful with your emails from sites claiming to be epass or any other online banking system and don't ever use the same password you use for epass for any programs you sign up to. Theres some grimy shit going on around here!

hi jon clark

zacboy · 02-13-2007, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Grisey

Same thing happened to me a while ago, someone transfered money into my account and then transfered that money plus what i had in my account to another account.

Epass even accused me of hacking the first persons account

Now thats customer service

thats incredible man...

zacboy · 02-13-2007, 01:56 PM

Well i speak with michael and he told me this:

Michael (ePassporte) (06:14 PM) :
We will try to recover them if possible but if its already transferred out of the system it can be difficult.

I think the person who made this, made the transactions and take the money out in the same moment so i dont got a lot of hope to get my money back

teomaxxx · 02-13-2007, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Grisey

Same thing happened to me a while ago, someone transfered money into my account and then transfered that money plus what i had in my account to another account.

Epass even accused me of hacking the first persons account

Now thats customer service

So this robbing of few epassporte accounts at once didnt happened for the first time. Nice

teomaxxx · 02-13-2007, 03:40 PM

Epassporte response to this situation:

"We have received notice the following transfers from your account XXX
to another ePassporte account were made unauthorized: XXX
No funds are available for any recovery. For your information, ePassporte
can not held liable for any p2p transfer losses. This is manifested in our
Terms & Conditions. However, we shall always assist cardholders with the
recovery funds. The recipients' account has been terminated "

Guy with epassporte username "LIFLVDAU" robbed all these people for around 2.5k and probably withdrew it from ATM imediately, so Epassporte isnt able to retrive money back.
I have just one question, how one can withdraw from ATM by epassporte card 2.5k in one day, when there is limit 500 usd. For higher limit, even for bigger P2P transactions, everyone must provide to epassporte his own ID card.
It didnt happen this for the first time, I would really like to hear what Eppasporte is doing to prevent it in the future.

96ukssob · 02-13-2007, 03:53 PM

i dont think its as much hacking as it is password guessing. people are lazy and use the same passwords for everything, so when you find one, usually you get them all.

i remember a while back i got an email from some guy saying he hand 1000's of affiliate information that he got from a mysql db hack. i tried to call his bluff but he replied with all my personal info, including user name, password, social security, etc.

fucked up tho, hope you get your money back

CyberHustler · 02-13-2007, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by NoMoreFromMe

hi jon clark

wtf are u talkin about?

tenderobject · 02-13-2007, 04:00 PM

this is totally fucked up.. goodthing we're trying to make epass as the last resort for client payments even though its kinda pain in the ass for our clients. but still good for both bussinesses. hope epass could sort this things.. especially tthis "For your information, ePassporte
can not held liable for any p2p transfer losses."

i remember someone from gfy scammed us for a camera sent 550 after a few days the guy gone i didn;t able to get my money but michael make sure the epass would be close/suspend. bad thing is the guy uses a sponsor free epass account fuck it! for sure he is still promoting that well known sponsor

zacboy · 02-13-2007, 04:00 PM

I Dont understand a lot of things, in this moment i got blocked the access to my account, my wife account and my another account (i made one two days ago because my actually card expire in some months). I pay for it, i never use, i lost money with this problem and got the same questions of you.

And now im looking how i can get my money of the pays with the sponsors in the next days because i got all accounts blocked!

Somebody in epassporte can check i use epassporte for years with no problems before and now we lost money and we lost the accounts, that no make sense for me.

So the robber got the money, he dont care if he lost 35U$S in create another account... (maybe he got a lot of accounts and do this since a lot of time ago). I lost three cards, money and will got more problems because the 15th will receive money from the sponsors...

tenderobject · 02-13-2007, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bossku69

i dont think its as much hacking as it is password guessing. people are lazy and use the same passwords for everything, so when you find one, usually you get them all.

i remember a while back i got an email from some guy saying he hand 1000's of affiliate information that he got from a mysql db hack. i tried to call his bluff but he replied with all my personal info, including user name, password, social security, etc.

fucked up tho, hope you get your money back

damn thats fucked up. how can he get the password if its encyrpted? like ********** ?

zacboy · 02-13-2007, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bossku69

i dont think its as much hacking as it is password guessing. people are lazy and use the same passwords for everything, so when you find one, usually you get them all.

i remember a while back i got an email from some guy saying he hand 1000's of affiliate information that he got from a mysql db hack. i tried to call his bluff but he replied with all my personal info, including user name, password, social security, etc.

fucked up tho, hope you get your money back

This is more big that we think...

I use the password of Epassporte ONLY in epassporte. The password is a random combination of nothing specially, like put: "ads23749hf" as password. Dont got any shit on my computer and im very carefully with the security thinks with my bank accounts.

I got bank accounts and never got a problem, use another cards on internet and dont got any problem NEVER.

Im very distrusted about all this... Do you think why today epassporte in all the morning dont enter?

This morning when you put in the IE epassporte.com receive 404 error. Maybe a security problem dont you think?

And Michael is trying to find a solution to my problem, maybe he is the only one there can try to make something with the problems... i expect he can solve unless recover my three accounts before the 15th.

In this moment i fuck up...

zacboy · 02-13-2007, 04:12 PM

teomaxxx are you get robbed too? what is your id?

Tempest · 02-13-2007, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyber-Hu$tler

After signing up to a few programs that are actively promoted here I started getting those crazy fake epass and paypal emails that direct you to a mock site and steal your password. I was never stupid enough to fall for it, but apparently some people are.

I knew exactly what programs were doing it because I sign up to each program with it's own unique email address. The only thing I don't know is if the program owners were just selling the email lists with my email addy in it or actually sending those emails themselves. I couldn't prove shit because they weren't sending the emails from their domains so...

Be carefull about making allegations like this... using a unique email to signup to a sponsor will NOT prove they sell the lists etc. The server could have a security hole.. The software they're using could have a flaw (I suspect at least one of having this problem).. and you have to remember that those email addresses also often make their way to "partners" such as the processors. I'd suggest you take all of that into account. Also, try signing up to some paysites using unique email addresses and note which processor is being used and then watch if/when spam starts coming in.

Zester · 02-14-2007, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Tempest

Be carefull about making allegations like this... using a unique email to signup to a sponsor will NOT prove they sell the lists etc. The server could have a security hole.. The software they're using could have a flaw (I suspect at least one of having this problem).. and you have to remember that those email addresses also often make their way to "partners" such as the processors. I'd suggest you take all of that into account. Also, try signing up to some paysites using unique email addresses and note which processor is being used and then watch if/when spam starts coming in.

it doesn't matter if they give the email to others on purpose or if there is a hole in their security, It will help me fight spam:
to those sponsors I would like to give a certain email address of mine,then in Outook I will make a rule of which IF the email sender to that email address is NOT that sponsor ( or others that are known to have security holes ) - It deletes it.

come to think of it I should do that with an email address of mine I choose for receiving emails from sponsors.
I should of thought of that earlier.

Vitasoy · 02-14-2007, 03:31 AM

damn hope you guys can get your money back

zacboy · 02-14-2007, 10:53 AM

bad news, we dont will recover our money.... anyways thanks michael for helping us in everything...

Grisey · 02-14-2007, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by bossku69

i dont think its as much hacking as it is password guessing. people are lazy and use the same passwords for everything, so when you find one, usually you get them all.

Wrong my password for epass was one of its kind the only place it was stored was at epass.

I few people have said this also. So is someone inside epass itself getting richer ? that should be the question.

split_joel · 02-14-2007, 12:09 PM

hope it works out for you

split_joel · 02-14-2007, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by zacboy

bad news, we dont will recover our money.... anyways thanks michael for helping us in everything...

sorry to hear about that man, its a shame to because any other program like epassporte would seek legal action and get the money back. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if random user accounts are stolen by the owners of epass. It is so lame that they do not do shit to get your money back. This is not the first thread about stolen money. Epassporte is shit.

E.Kant · 02-14-2007, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Grisey

Same thing happened to me a while ago, someone transfered money into my account and then transfered that money plus what i had in my account to another account.

Epass even accused me of hacking the first persons account

Now thats customer service

What the hell ??
How can a company like epass , who is managing that amount of money, such security issues .. ??

It's like a 10 year old is the manager of that firm.
Security should be top priority of a company who operates with money!
Loss of money should be paid out of their pocket!

Amateur shit!

travelingmike · 02-14-2007, 01:07 PM

fuck them..... they were hacked... big time... but refuse to say shit about it.... numbers always busy.... no returned e mails..... this is bullshit

kapopoy · 02-14-2007, 02:20 PM

did u guys ever think that a broke epass employee do this shit?

cranki · 02-14-2007, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by zacboy

did you check your computer for spyware? I don't use any toolbars on my browser, as I'm very suspicious what kind of data they may send out to their creators...

djiku · 02-14-2007, 02:36 PM

Another epass account hacked here.

Just got robbed.

For those who have moneys with epassporte secure your funds still have time.

zacboy · 02-14-2007, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by cranki

did you check your computer for spyware? I don't use any toolbars on my browser, as I'm very suspicious what kind of data they may send out to their creators...

Yes sure, that screenshoot i take from my other computer... and that computer got the roboform program. Anyways NEVER i enter from there, store the password of epass and got a easy password.

I think epassporte was hacked and thats for me the most believe version of what happen.

djiku · 02-15-2007, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by zacboy

I think epassporte was hacked and thats for me the most believe version of what happen.

That's for sure. There was a massive atack against Epassporte ( http://www.gambling911.com/Online-Ga...ws-021407.html ) and NETeller ( http://www.gambling911.com/Unauthori...ls-021307.html )

We are not only few adult webmasters who got their epass accounts hacked.

pocketkangaroo · 02-15-2007, 05:32 AM

Hope you get your money back. I guess it's a lesson of sorts not to keep money in your ePassporte account. In fact, not to even get payments from it if you don't have to. It's why I love checks and wires.

bohous · 02-15-2007, 06:12 AM

Hope they help you guys and prevent any future problems for all of us.

Adultnet · 02-15-2007, 06:16 AM

good luck..

DamageX · 02-15-2007, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by djiku

That's for sure. There was a massive atack against Epassporte ( http://www.gambling911.com/Online-Ga...ws-021407.html ) and NETeller ( http://www.gambling911.com/Unauthori...ls-021307.html )

We are not only few adult webmasters who got their epass accounts hacked.

Very disturbing...

teomaxxx · 02-15-2007, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by zacboy

This is more big that we think...

I use the password of Epassporte ONLY in epassporte. The password is a random combination of nothing specially, like put: "ads23749hf" as password. Dont got any shit on my computer and im very carefully with the security thinks with my bank accounts.

Exactly. Doing such robbing actions using several accounts at once (and this didnt happened for the first time) rather implies that epass had some serious security issues or there are some insiders doing this. I dont belive that some Joe Hacker is going after computers of unknow people and can get easily their epass passwords.
That Joe Hacker was able to withdraw from ATM by epassporte card at least 2.5k in one day (according to your screenshot), when there is limit 500 usd for normal account.
For higher limit, even for bigger P2P transactions, everyone must provide to Epassporte his own ID card. So Epassporte has his ID, however they do shit about it and they dont even show in this thread anymore.
Nothing against Micheal from Epassporte, he is really helpful here, but he is only some guy there at Epassporte.

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02-13-2007, 03:53 PM	#75
96ukssob So Fucking Banananananas Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: If I was in your ass you'd know it Posts: 12,991	i dont think its as much hacking as it is password guessing. people are lazy and use the same passwords for everything, so when you find one, usually you get them all. i remember a while back i got an email from some guy saying he hand 1000's of affiliate information that he got from a mysql db hack. i tried to call his bluff but he replied with all my personal info, including user name, password, social security, etc. fucked up tho, hope you get your money back __________________ Email: Clicky on Me

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tenderobject Need Designs? 312352846 Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere Posts: 11,684	this is totally fucked up.. goodthing we're trying to make epass as the last resort for client payments even though its kinda pain in the ass for our clients. but still good for both bussinesses. hope epass could sort this things.. especially tthis "For your information, ePassporte can not held liable for any p2p transfer losses." i remember someone from gfy scammed us for a camera sent 550 after a few days the guy gone i didn;t able to get my money but michael make sure the epass would be close/suspend. bad thing is the guy uses a sponsor free epass account fuck it! for sure he is still promoting that well known sponsor __________________ NEED DESIGNS?!?

02-13-2007, 08:57 AM	#51
JD Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 22,651	wow.... looks like a whole lot of hacking is going on... maybe I should change my pw

02-13-2007, 09:33 AM	#54
Klen Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Little Vienna Posts: 32,235	Does'nt epass have chargebacks?

02-13-2007, 09:49 AM	#55
teomaxxx Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,734	WTF? There seems to be more robbing then one. Zacsoft, did you get money from "EM_Newprosoft.com" and "GiorgittaJasmin" for some services ? It looks like your account was used to collect money from all these robbed accounts and then transfered into account of "LIFLVDAU"

02-13-2007, 09:58 AM	#57
FerencP Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 8	... manik149 is my ID

02-13-2007, 10:02 AM	#58
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02-13-2007, 10:54 AM	#64
zacboy Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 21	Yes, i do that too, but sometimes you need to pay something and use the money of the epassporte, i pay the programs and partners i got with that...

02-13-2007, 01:56 PM	#72
zacboy Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 21	Well i speak with michael and he told me this: Michael (ePassporte) (06:14 PM) : We will try to recover them if possible but if its already transferred out of the system it can be difficult. I think the person who made this, made the transactions and take the money out in the same moment so i dont got a lot of hope to get my money back

02-13-2007, 03:40 PM	#74
teomaxxx Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,734	Epassporte response to this situation: "We have received notice the following transfers from your account XXX to another ePassporte account were made unauthorized: XXX No funds are available for any recovery. For your information, ePassporte can not held liable for any p2p transfer losses. This is manifested in our Terms & Conditions. However, we shall always assist cardholders with the recovery funds. The recipients' account has been terminated " Guy with epassporte username "LIFLVDAU" robbed all these people for around 2.5k and probably withdrew it from ATM imediately, so Epassporte isnt able to retrive money back. I have just one question, how one can withdraw from ATM by epassporte card 2.5k in one day, when there is limit 500 usd. For higher limit, even for bigger P2P transactions, everyone must provide to epassporte his own ID card. It didnt happen this for the first time, I would really like to hear what Eppasporte is doing to prevent it in the future.

02-13-2007, 04:12 PM	#81
zacboy Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 21	teomaxxx are you get robbed too? what is your id?

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02-14-2007, 10:53 AM	#85
zacboy Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 21	bad news, we dont will recover our money.... anyways thanks michael for helping us in everything...

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