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Grapesoda

hey!!! it could happen

C_U_Next_Tuesday

The guy was a local prosecuter..I wonder how many pedophiles he himself had sent to jail.

TheLegacy

any police office would be pissed at this outcome - simply because these guys are taking the law into their own hands, and now someone (even if guilty) has killed themselves. Legally now the show is responsible whether you like it or not for his death. The network can be sued - end of case.

Law is the foundation of democracy that means everyone gets a fair trial by their peers. Hate the predators all you want - despise them, but you simply can't act out murder and revenge on them - then where do you stop?

Porn is never the main reason why someone starts liking underage kids, but we must admit that it does fuel the desires. Stop showing porn and the problem still continues.

Feel free to ask any cop on the street or your lawyer just how right this show is. How about those predators who watch the show and think, "hm, maybe I should be smarter in how I do this". No one ever thinks this show is teaching people to get away with it who could have been caught by the police. There is the chance and you must admit it, that even more kids are being abused because this show is teaching the pedo the tricks used to catch them - they simply adapt so now the cops can't even catch them.

as said at the bottom of the article

Mr. Baldwin said he hopes Murphy won’t be used again.

“We’re going to do whatever we need to do to make sure this doesn’t continue,” he said. “I think it’s a noble cause, but our police department is hired to serve and protect our citizens, and not to expose them to outside threats.”

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JMM

You don't have a good understanding of how this show works, or the constitution.

First of all, the constitution does allow law enforcement the opportunity to entrap in certain circumstances.

Secondly, read the chat logs. The decoy sets up a profile, lists the age, enters the chatroom and waits. They don't solicit anyone and they don't act first. They sit in the chatroom and wait to be contacted.

Finally, nobody is forced to say anything and many of them don't say a word. They are legally entitled to shut up until they get a lawyer. They are the ones that choose to speak and if they are ignorant of their rights, oh well. Perhaps it would be a good idea for them to contact a lawyer and learn all about their rights before they try and solicit sex from 13 year old children online.

Without this show, how many MORE teachers, rabbi's, ministers, cop's, and military personnel would be soliciting sex from children online?

Did you read about the prosecutor's computers? The police experts couldn't even get into it, there were so many locks on the HD's. They had to send the computer to Sony to see if they could get in. Wonder what they are going to find.

I hope the show continues, and even if it doesn't, I hope the stings do, to an even greater extent.

JMM

Bullshit. Most cops would be thrilled with the outcome.

And, anybody can be sued for anything by anyone at anytime, this is America. The show is not to blame here at all. What would they sue the show for? The guy was not exposed on TV until he shot himself, after the fact. It is a news story. He was not exposed on TV prior to him killing himself. Sorry, I don't think you can sue for the POTENTIAL exposure you might receive after a crime and prevail. This is why news organizations are given certain protections.

BTW, the prosecutors sister needs a dose of reality. Her brother was a gay pedophile. End of story. The police didn't make him a gay pedophile. Dateline didn't make him a gay pedophile. He was a gay pedophile long before Dateline and their cameras rolled into town.

The people of Murphy are pissed because they don't want their property values to go down because the world now thinks they are a town full of pedophiles.

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this si crazy!!

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was only a matter of time. these guys know that if they get caught, their life is fucked. FOREVER. that guy had a lot to lose. probably everything he had worked his whole life for.

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why??????

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is there a video link?

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TG Rebecca

everytime i saw that show, i would always wonder when someone was going to have a gun. i figured it was only a matter of time.. :/

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Is this on YouTube yet?

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minusonebit

You're an idiot. Cops are most definitely not happy with the outcome of this episode. Every single case that prosecutor tried (esp. those involving pedophiles) is going to have the verdict set aside, retried and quite possibly a conviction not secured due to the possibility that the evidence and/or the prosecution could have been tainted. Defense attorneys have cracked open an expensive bottle of champaign in that district though, that much you can bet on.

JMM

Actually, you are wrong. But hey, what do I know, I am an idiot.

This event actually happened many months ago and was widely publicized at the time it happened. Tell me Einstein, how many verdicts have been set aside? How many of his cases have been retried? How many motions have been filed for new trials?

Hmmmmm?

LiveDose

They are sick mofos. I don't care how hard you bait me, I would never have any interest in pursuing an under age girl. There is no excuse for it.

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Yeah, right. I'm sure they don't check the ratings and adjust their programming accordingly.

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Pleasurepays

why are some of you fucking morons saying again and again that they are "taking the law into their own hands", "its entrapment" etc - when they are SOOOOOOOO OBVIOUSLY working directly WITH law enforcement being that they have the house surrounded and arrest the suspect upon arrival and its so fucking obvious that they have a bazillion lawers approving everything?

i swear to christ, gfy has to be the biggest gathering of morons on the interweb

websiex

I said it is arguably against the US Constitution, not that it 'is' against the US Constitution. It is debatable, but what they do is obviously legal as of now.

Also, it is the decoy who brings up sex in most cases, even according to Stone Philips.

It isn't entrapment, but it is very close. And btw, I do know the law.

JP-pornshooter

HELLO..anything considered news and editorial content does not require a release form..its like taking a picture of someone in public, or even a celebrity sun bathing in the nude.. the picture is news worthy and therfore not required to have a model release.

Huggles

A couple things,


When you look at the people they bust on these shows, and on perverted-justice.com, *they* are usually amazed at what people they find. It's a real cross-section of society that are getting caught.

I'm not going to argue that it's right or wrong to catch these people the way they are catching them, however, I want you people to think about a few things.

1. Over the history of evolution and in the history of man, have we tended to take young women as brides/sex slaves/prisoners? absolutely. It was much more common throughout our history than you would normally realize. Remember that people lived shorter lives, and wealthy 30-40 year olds who wanted children would often take very young "brides" to ensure they could produce children. If you believe in evolution and not creationism, you may be able to realize why some male minds cannot resist their urges of under-18 women.

2. Homosexuality used to be such a taboo, that homosexuals were driven out of a community under threat of death. The way people talked about those people were much the same as people talking about these people on these shows in this thread. If society becomes more and more liberal, perhaps people will also become liberal enough to say that a 25 year old college student showing up to meet a 14 year old who was hitting on him isn't such a bad thing? Much like being gay now, people may look at it as "It's not for me, but I don't mind if someone else has a different sexuality"

3. Obviously there is a massive niche for this out there. MANY MANY websites give us the idea that young girls want to fuck. Need I name any of the big, big sites that make 18 year olds look as young as possible? Not to mention giving them pigtails, white granny panties, and everything needed for people to get off on a "high school" fantasy. Not to mention babysitters, and when was the last time you hired a babysitter that was 18 or older?


Certainly the adult industry fuels and inspires these guys, it's foolish to completely deny this. I'm sure evolution plays a part as well. Over the history of mankind, only recently have we developed views in the west regarding age and sex. In many places on earth right now, people will take brides of almost any age. There is even a religion out there, who's founder had apparently taken a wife at *9* years old.

It's a complicated subject, but I really find that these people are wasting their time catching these guys as I hardly think any of these men are "predators". These are not the type of guys that would kidnap a 6 year old. These men are looking for post-pubescent girls. It would be MUCH better to just embarress them for going after girls who are obviously not raised well by their parents. For a 13 year old to go into a "Daughter and daddy" chatroom, they obviously MUST have issues. Probably where future porn chicks get their starts!

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Huggles

Last thing,


Several years ago my cousin Adrian was in town. She's a really attractive girl who matured very young. I took her to the mall and I noticed a TON of guys check her out, which made me slightly uncomfortable given her age. She bet me that she looked old enough to go into the nearest cold beer and wine store and could buy me a 6-pack, as she does at home for her mom. ( She doesn't drink, well, not then )

I thought she had a 50/50 chance of being id'd, as passing for 19... ehh.... maybe.

We went down the street from the mall and she picked up a 6 pack of Moosehead beer for me, without getting id'd. She was *14* years old!!!!


Now, if men are sexually attracted to her, and if they don't know her age, did that make them pedos? I wouldn't post her picture up on here, but she looked a bit like Avril Lavene(sp), but with a bigger chest and not as skinny.

Her mom had a handful of problems with her over the next year, and even caught the plumber leaving her daughter his phone number. Albeit Adrian is a bitch sometimes and told the guy she was 18.

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Pleasurepays

all of that has nothing to do with the discussions or issues. what "used to be acceptable" has nothing to do with today (this assumes of course, that you have freed your negro slaves and stopped sacrificing virgins to the volcano gods... if not, you might want to brush up on current legislation that might require you to make some adjustments in your lifestyle)

all people concerned know the boundaries of appropriate and innapropriate behavior as commonly accepted in the year 2007. further, there is law. all parties concerned know what the law is. all parties are fully aware that they are breaking the law. all parties know they are breaking the law with significant risk of being caught/arrested - further, most are not surprised at all that they are being arrested. all parties know that it is completely unnacceptable to troll chat rooms, looking for 13 year old girls who say "my parents are away from teh weekend" which is promptly followed up with "i'll come right over with booze and condoms so i can burry my cock in your hairless snatch" - then actually show up and through the entire process demonstrate intent to break the law on many levels.

Tom_PM

I dont think the adult industry inspires anyone to do anything other than masturbation or experimenting with their partner.

I believe a few years back there was a study that showed that "sex crimes" were down in relation to the birth of the adult internet industry.

Now who knows how skewed it was, I just remember reading that the people who did the study expected the opposite to be true.

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Huggles

1. The desire to do this is born out of evolution, and these men cannot be faulted for it. It's not like they are lusting after 8 year olds, but rather, ( As far as I know ) they are lusting after post-pubescent girls. Homosexuality used to be a HUGE stigma, in fact, much worse than older men trolling for young girls. Although if you go back far enough, Anceint greek warriors used to masturbate each other, and the leaders of the military at the time encouraged it. ( Although some debate that )

2. Any 13 year old that is trolling the internext for sex with someone has obviously got some issues, but if they are trolling for sex, chances are they are post-pubescent, lonely without boys of their own age group, and probably don't have good relationships with their parents.

3. What used to be acceptable has everything to do with today. Are you going to change thousands upon thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of years of evolution? We are programmed "If it has hair down there, it's mature to breed". I'm not saying it's NOT sleazy to be some older guy going after young, naive girls, what I am saying though is that the law targets something that is programmed into people. Nobody faults Dave Cummings for what he does, but if I had a neighbor as old as him eyeing up my girlfriends I would probably have some choice words for him. Yes, what he does is completely legal, but it's very similar on the scale of what is going on. It's older people chasing after far younger, post-pubescent tail.

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Huggles

You used the example of "sex crimes", I hardly think that proves whether or not babysitter sites fuels the lust of old men chasing younger women.

I'm positive it doesn't give the message to old men that it's wrong to lust after old girls. After watching some internet porn of grey haired old men pounding 18 year olds, what do you think goes through the minds of horny, lonely 60-somethings?

I'm not saying those sites are bad or wrong, it just preys of the primal urges of men to have sex with what they see as the most fertile age possible.

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Pleasurepays

i can say that a tendency to murder is "born out of evolution" or any other behavior that is commonly deemed immoral, wrong or illegal... that doesn't relieve the individual of responsibility for their actions, particularly when they have demonstrated knowledge of the fact that it is both wrong, unnacceptable and illegal in the year 2007.

BlackCrayon

i wonder if jerry lee lewis would of been lured into this, ha.

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Huggles

Completely other issue man.


Food, sleep, sex. These things appeal to us on the most basic and fundamental levels. If a grown man lusts after a post-pubescent girl, it cannot be compared to the unnatural desire to murder someone.

Half the cops in the video, and half of the people in this thread would say "I'd hit it" if I posted a pic up of my cousin from a few years ago. I would not think any of them were pedos as she looks like a fully matured woman at her age at the time.


The BEST part is how they have these guys arrested at gunpoint. LOL!

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Pleasurepays

since you are defining behaviors for your own needs as you go, its pointless to continue. i think any reasonable person can understand that society deems this behavior unacceptable, the law has deemed it illegal and its very clear that those individuals choosing to engage in this behavior, understand that (hence, the arrest and subsequent convictions).

your arguments are weak. just having an "urge" no matter what its origin, does not absolve the individual of the need to control it and conduct himself within the boundaries of acceptable behavior and the law.

anyone can use your simple and weak reasoning to justify and rationalize anything...thats why we have laws, written in ink, devised to establish boundaries to behavior and protect the rights of others.

its shameful that you would go so far to defend a rabbi who goes to meet an underage boy for sex.

if it was your 12 yr old girl being enticed by a 57 year old taxi dispatcher and trying to meet her for sex... i submit that your attitude on the issue and whats acceptable would be quite different.

buck30

Yes he killed himself months ago. They just aired the episode, it takes time to air them from the time they are shot.

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JMM

A new GFY classic.

After reading your thoughts, I clicked on your sig and saw that you make money promoting a site called "Girls Left Alone"

Amazing that you would even open your mouth in this thread. Just AMAZING.

We see now where your motivation comes from, you are just trying to make a buck.

Huggles

I would be wondering what are the causes behind my 12 year old daughter being on the internet trolling for sex was. Obviously my utter failure at parenting is to blame.

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buck30

The police are not pissed at all. They work with the show and arrest the poeple as they leave the house. They are well aware of what is going on in and informed about what they are doing before they get to a new town. The show is not responsible for his death and if you actually are stupid enough to believe that, then you are a major dumbass. They show did not make him go online and troll for a young child. He made the choice. I am sure it was not his first time doing it, and I am happy it was his last. I wish they would all shot and kill themselves. It would be doing us all a favor.

No one acted out muder and revenge on this man. Are you smoking crack? He was a pervert that was caught being a pervert. No one made him log online looking for kids. No one made him shoot himself. He shot himself because he knew he had fucked up big time and would have to pay the price.

The pedo's are not smart or there would not be so many shows by Dateline. They are stupid and obsessed with finding kids. They will still troll the internet and they will still get their ass caught. I personally am glad that this show is doing so well. Someone needs to get these sick fucks in jail. More shows need to take an interest and bust these pervs.

Seems to me you are on the side of the pervs? Why is that? You think it is ok to lure children in and molest them? That is basically what your posting is saying.

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Huggles

Yeah? So?

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JMM

LOL, Exactly.

There is no sense in discussing this with you further. I just read your last post and based on your philosophy of society, if a 12 year old girl's parents drop the ball, then what the hell, 45 year olds are free to do what they want with her.

Huggles

LOL I should chase down everyone who hit on my 14 year old cousin and demand they castrate themselves.

p.s.

If there weren't so many lonely, horny, and poorly-raised girls on the internet trolling for sex, you wouldn't have these guys ready and willing to take advantage of naive, poorly-raised white trash future porn stars.


Again, a great example of treating the symptoms and not the disease.

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Tom_PM

What do I think a grey haired old man thinks of a 60 yr old man having sex with an 18 year old woman? "Wow, thats hot" "I'm going to need some tissue in a minute" "Must be nice to be a porn star sometimes" lol, things like that. Normal thoughts from normal people.

I dont think anyone can say definitively that there is an increase in old men trying to pick up younger women. And the only study I recall is the one I mentioned that found criminal sexual offenses were down since the adult internet became so large. Wish I could remember where it was from or when, or I'd try to cite it with a link or whatever.

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CDSmith

I say you're wrong, and you and others here are looking at things all wrong as far as porn is concerned. Porn is there to indulge people's fantasies, and as much as a lot of folks hate to admit it, every one of us has fantasies. All kinds. The saving grace is that most of us are mature enough to differentiate between fantasy and reality, and what is legal and what isn't.

The law in Murphy (as well as in many other parts of the US) says that if you act on those urges and start talking sex with a minor or yes, even a decoy who leads you to believe he/she is a minor, and you agree to meet that minor for sex, you are in violation. It's easy to play armchair lawyer and talk about the "rights" of those caught doing this, but that all changes when it's your own son or daughter being pursued by these people.

Porn isn't to blame, much as some would like it think it is. AND, it you said in an earlier post the following-- "I hardly think any of these men are "predators". These are not the type of guys that would kidnap a 6 year old."

Wrong. You can't assume that, sorry. For one thing, some of the offenders have shown up with loaded weapons in their vehicles. Several have been recorded as saying they want to take the child somewhere, for this or that or to a motel. No one can say for certain what their intentions were but they sure sound suspicious to me. I wouldn't want to find out either, would you?

Some of you really do sound like you are speaking up on behalf of the poor predators, but I'm sorry to inform you that at least in my case anyway you are wasting your time... Those caught deserve what they get, every bit of shame, every minute of jailtime, every dollar of a fine, etc, and more. Whatever the punishment is in any given area it probably isn't enough, as most of these guys sing the same sad song, "I'm so weak! I'm stupid! I knew it was wrong and I did it anyway! I'm so ashamed! I'm gonna get fired from my job!" then after this is all over they are likely to go out and try it again on another kid.

Stop defending them. Stop rationalizing it, stop trying to blame it on porn, society, history etc. It doesn't wash. Making the move from fantasy to reality by hitting or a minor online and then seeking out that minor in hopes of god-knows-what is a choice.

And others here need to stop crying about this show, because the show is raising awareness on the side of the parents and kids out there, in addition to to their main focus. I think that's a good thing, because if there are this many guys prowling for young teens and 12 yr olds out there (and younger), there has to be quite a few precocious little brats (for real, not decoys) putting themselves at risk. Parents need to wake up, and they need to give their kids a major reality check about this, about flirting online with older strange men. This show gives them the opportunity to learn what's going on out there and just how frightening it can be.

It's a non-argument as far as I'm concerned.

Oh, and as far as your hot young cousin goes, it's one thing for a 30 yr old guy to look her way, it's quite another for that guy to, after finding out how young she is, knowingly continue to pursue her and try to fuck her don't you think? I don't know a guy in the world who hasn't looked at a good looking young hottie and thought "man, she's hot", but as I said before, most know that acting on it is wrong thus the mature choice is made to not take it further. You can't trust kids to make the right choice, shouldn't we as adults have the onus placed on us to make that choice?

Prediction: The show stays.

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JMM

Oh, I see where you are coming from. These people should be protected under the Americans with Disabilities Act. I get it now.

Children are at risk. THAT is, and should be, the FIRST priority.

Huggles

I would hope they're not free to do whatever they want, but I certainly think jailing someone for it is wrong. Couselling for both the 12 year old and her parents would make more sense. The 45 year old's sheer embarressment of being caught, and having his wife and own children told should be enough to make him change his ways, or is it? seize his computer and search it for underage porn to find a better indication of whether he's a pedo or not. My cousin was 14 and looked like a damn near full grown adult. If a 12 year old looks fully developed and you checked her out before knowing her age, are you a pedo?

Ehh... it's not clear cut either way. We draw the line at the age of consent, which in CANADA is 14. Everywhere has different laws, but the truth is, we're all fundamentally programmed by evolution to want post-pubescent girls, anything other than that and you're in pedo-territory.

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Huggles

I guess then we need parenting classes and the government more actively involved with helping parents raise children. Hell, I'm all for the government choosing who is allowed to have children, and when. I'm pretty sure in the not too distant future, I could see humans living in a society with controlled births. ( The world's population is exploding in size, something will need to happen. )


Children are at risk, yes, moreso by a lack of parenting, or moreso by the apparent MASSIVE amount of men out there trying to solicit sex from them? The most fucked up thing is how many men are willing to drive, in some cases, 2 hours to meet these girls.

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Huggles

Very good post man, and I do agree with some of what you wrote.


Many adults cannot handle choices about drugs, alcohol, or even what to wear. What makes you put so much faith in their abilities to NOT visit a horny 13 year old that apparently wants them to go bang them?


Which is worse, the fact that a 13 year old is on the internet, alone, unsupervised trying to hook up, or the fact that there are dozens of potential suitors lurking in the shadows of the internet? Fact is, the internet is SO new that human beings are faced with an entirely unseen set of circumstances. Now people who normally would never interact are able to communicate and be put in touch with anyone they desire. When I was growing up, the 13 year olds I knew when I was 15, they would smoke weed behind the community centre and give out blowjobs to anyone who could supply them with a joint or a 40 oz of Bull Max. ( The troubled teen girls! ) Now where are these girls? Guess what, they're on the internet looking for older men who have money, because @ 15 years old, my friends and I would have the rare chance to get booze, and even when we could, we didn't have the money for it.



I'm just wondering here, does it make more sense to tackle the majority problem of men willing to do these girls, or the minority problem of these girls who obviously aren't well taken care of?


Then again, both sides of the fence would be very hard to detect and treat, without stings like this one....


Why can't they do REVERSE stings? Show up at a 13 year old's house and interview her as to why she's trolling these chatrooms? Then find her parent(s) and confront them on their child's use of the internet?

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NinjaSteve

where's the youtube link?

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CDSmith

I've asked that same question before on various boards. There is obviously another side to the problem that Dateline isn't openly presenting, yes. Frankly I'd love to see an episode or two where they confont a few kids.

But the show by it's very nature does server to increase awareness, and hopefully put a scare into a few parents and kids as to what's going on out there and the kinds of things that can happen.

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Huggles

Yeah it's a fucked up world man. Those same kids who are on chatrooms trolling for sex... do you think they surf porn as well? Another thing humans didn't have extremely easy access to before the internet... Just some things to think about. The internet has created an entirely new set of issues for parents to deal with, and I'm afraid many parents are completely unaware and these children who grow up extremely fucked up are a direct result.

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For all of those that say this show is entrapment it really isn't.

What happens on this show is no different than when a female cop dresses like a hooker and walks the streets and they arrest the guys that solicit her. The guys pull over and talk to her and she offers them sex for money and they agree. They are then arrests.

Or what happens when an undercover cop buys drugs from a dealer. They offer the dealer money for drugs and then arrest the guy once the deal is made.

There really is no difference. The cops are presenting a situation to people and those people are reacting in an illegal manner. Many laws are enforced on on a good faith basis meaning that people know the law and understand the difference between right and wrong and know if they do the wrong thing they might get busted for it. Take speed limits for example. You may know the speed limit is 55. It doesn't mean you are going to stay under it. If you choose to speed you might get away with it, but you may also get caught. The cop hiding behind the building with a radar gun didn't entrap you into speeding. You knew what you were doing was wrong.

These guys on the show seek out kids and chat with them then get sexual and actually go to meet them. It's not as if they don't know how old these kids are. It's one thing if you have a sexual conversation with someone who lies to you and tells you they are 19 and then you find out later they are 13, it's another thing all together when you know right from the start that they are 13. I don't buy the argument that they are lonely and horny and just looking for someone. There is no shortage of adults on the Internet looking for the same. Between all the dating sites, chat rooms, craigslist and sites like Myspace anyone can meet people their age that live near them.

Peaches

Exactly. Why some of you are defending these sick fucks is beyond total comprehension. Are you saying if a 13 year old struck up a convo with you on ICQ and begged and pleaded with you to come over to his/her house for a night of drinking and sex you'd show up?!!

Huggles

I know you were replying to someone else, but you completely, totally, absolutely missed the point of anything I wrote.

Isn't it quite funny how these "sick fucks" hold some pretty high positions in our society?

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Peaches

No, it's not "funny". In fact, the words I'd use are "pathetic", "scary", "disgusting" and more. I use those words towards those defending them too.

KrisKross

No one forces these guys to keep the chatroom open and chat with minors about sex.

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