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LAJ · 03-21-2007, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jact

He ICQ'd me.

LAJ ?(3:28 PM):
You're on my list, fucker.

You left out the next part of that convo...

Jact (3:29 PM):
I'll swallow next time

Ace_luffy · 03-21-2007, 12:54 PM

nice article..

thanks for sharing.. . .. .

Connor · 03-21-2007, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Far-L

ok read the article... and Jay you know I love you... but my one criticism is something like that is pure fluff unless you name some names and give some down and dirty history...

The reps that pretended to be owners... NAME THEM

the folks that knew nothing about the net that spoke on panels at shows as if they were an authority... NAME THEM

the blowhards that bounce from company to company on resumes of hollow hype... NAME THEM

Until then it can only be a gummy insinuation instead of being an indictment that has teeth...

Hey Far-L... haha, I remember being on a panel at Cybernet Expo two years ago talking about .XXX and the fact that there were companies involved in that whole business, and you were trying to get me to name them then too...

I respect that you're direct about that, and consistent too. I also understand though why sometimes it's best for someone not to name names when drawing attention to a general problem, and think there can still be a lot of substance without any finger pointing. It just depends on the situation. Anyhow man, rock on and I hope to see you in Phoenix or Tampa.

AK · 03-21-2007, 01:26 PM

great thread Jay!

Far-L · 03-21-2007, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Connor

Hey Far-L... haha, I remember being on a panel at Cybernet Expo two years ago talking about .XXX and the fact that there were companies involved in that whole business, and you were trying to get me to name them then too...

I respect that you're direct about that, and consistent too. I also understand though why sometimes it's best for someone not to name names when drawing attention to a general problem, and think there can still be a lot of substance without any finger pointing. It just depends on the situation. Anyhow man, rock on and I hope to see you in Phoenix or Tampa.

Ok... I admit that I am guilty as the next guy because I know so much but don't name names either, but rather wait anxiously for someone else to do it so that I can cheer them on...

But that might change soon... I feel myself about to cut loose and just say it... but oh yeah, then my partners will tell me don't because so-and-so is friends with what's-his-face and they send traffic so we don't want to piss off so-and-so because he might tell what's-his-face not to send any more traffic... ack - there is no profit in honor!!!

LAJ · 03-21-2007, 02:06 PM

Well Far-L... I look forward to the day myself when the cycle can be broken.

Far-L · 03-21-2007, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by LAJ

Well Far-L... I look forward to the day myself when the cycle can be broken.

Until then... I guess we both can take solace in that quote by Sun Tzu that roughly translates "Victory is seeing the bodies of your enemies floating by in the river"

Peaches · 03-21-2007, 02:21 PM

When you start naming names and even providing proof of your comments, SOMEONE will always come running in to defend them and then you're the bad guy for pointing it out ;)

It's easier (and actually more fun) just to sit back and watch..........and of course discuss it on ICQ

Dwreck · 03-21-2007, 02:26 PM

I related to this thread on so many levels. I myself have built my reputation on personality and in on way am I going to apologize for it. I did pay my dues and really enjoy my work.

I got hired back in 2001 for my personality and my ability to get along with others. I had ZERO adult experience. They had a product and needed someone to get out there and bring it to the masses. I learnt everything backwards. It worked for me and is still does to this day.

Its no trade secret that webmasters have social skills problem and I believe its one of the reason that they are attracted to this biz in the first place. You can work alone and not deal with the day to day life of working in the office.

Personality can is a muscle and needs to be worked. I read Dale Carnagie, Zig Ziglar, Brian Tracey and the list goes on and on. But in the same token I read and took photo shop classes and taught myself dreamwiever etc. And im not talking about kissing ass and name dropping. I truly see this as a career for me and I take my job very seriously and i think it why I have had some longevity. With that being said I love to party and taking pics of my friends which in turn has led to some great biz deals.

True Personality gets overlooked and hated on by people that don't embrace it.

Well done Laj!

seeric · 03-21-2007, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Peaches

When you start naming names and even providing proof of your comments, SOMEONE will always come running in to defend them and then you're the bad guy for pointing it out ;)

werd. i can relate. i agree with far-l's last comment above. go sun tsu!!!!!

seeric · 03-21-2007, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dwreck

I related to this thread on so many levels. I myself have built my reputation on personality and in on way am I going to apologize for it. I did pay my dues and really enjoy my work.

I got hired back in 2001 for my personality and my ability to get along with others. I had ZERO adult experience. They had a product and needed someone to get out there and bring it to the masses. I learnt everything backwards. It worked for me and is still does to this day.

Its no trade secret that webmasters have social skills problem and I believe its one of the reason that they are attracted to this biz in the first place. You can work alone and not deal with the day to day life of working in the office.

Personality can is a muscle and needs to be worked. I read Dale Carnagie, Zig Ziglar, Brian Tracey and the list goes on and on. But in the same token I read and took photo shop classes and taught myself dreamwiever etc. And im not talking about kissing ass and name dropping. I truly see this as a career for me and I take my job very seriously and i think it why I have had some longevity. With that being said I love to party and taking pics of my friends which in turn has led to some great biz deals.

True Personality gets overlooked and hated on by people that don't embrace it.

Well done Laj!

I've been to two ZIG ZIGLAR seminars for 4 days each. Made me a better person. Structured my life.

LAJ · 03-21-2007, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dwreck

I got hired back in 2001 for my personality and my ability to get along with others. I had ZERO adult experience. They had a product and needed someone to get out there and bring it to the masses. I learnt everything backwards. It worked for me and is still does to this day.

My beginnings and situation are quite similar to that Dwreck...

Jman · 03-21-2007, 05:05 PM

Thanks for the read Jay, Always love reading your deep thaughts... Especially late a night. Oui Oui!!!

baddog · 03-21-2007, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by A1R3K

i don't attend many seminars, but i will attend this one.

10:30 on a Saturday morning? I may get up just to see that.

will76 · 03-21-2007, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by LAJ

I wrote this article for AVN which came out this month:

"Style over substance: How mass-produced personality-based marketing is killing the industry."

Do you make business decisions and partnerships based somewhat on someone's post count? Does someone's popularity and ability to round the troops as it were have an effect on your marketing plan? Do you take someone's word at face value without investigating every detail of their product simply because you are familiar with them? If you answered yes to any of these questions, then you buy into the concept of personality based marketing. We've all done it at one time or another, and given the relatively young age of our business, in some circles it only takes a matter of months to be the next personality. This is both good for business but at the same time is highly destructive to our industry.

Rest of article can be found here:
avnonline.com

I think a few people here can relate?

I'll be moderating the "Making a Name for Yourself" ? Viral Marketing and other trade secrets seminar at the Phoenix Forum next Saturday March 31 with an esteemed group of panelists. Perfect opportunity to ask questions and make comments in person... I'm guessing those that need to hear it most though will either be missing the show or still in bed

great article Jay, dead on with a lot of it.

But don't you know.... the cool people don't attend seminars, so your message will be missing the people who need it the most.

I think the " I am a bad ass" (and act like a 12 year old) "peronality" is not helping mainstream america's perception of this industry.

is this industry a hobby, a busines, or a lifestyle. If you answer anything other business than you are not doing any of the rest of us justice.

I started a thread after the miami convention last year about the hardcore shit (well there was piss at least) on stage at sponsored events, tons of people filming it and it being shared online.... look with those pornographers do when they get together and have " conventions" .

Many people either want us in jail or think what we do is a joke, why do so many people in this industy have to live up to those people's expectations, instead of trying to act like professionals.

And I don't give a fuck if it is the " porn industry" . if you want to have a perverts " fuck and suck" convention, then throw one at your house. But if we are going to have a business convention with workshops, siminars, booths, etc... why does the other shit have to be mixed it ?

will76 · 03-21-2007, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by A1R3K

i commend you jay.

i am almost done martyring the issues for this community and this is one of them.

.xxx
content theft
exposing and crucifying personality based marketers that do bad things

no one cares. i respect you, for as long as you have been in this business, you realize that writing this will fall on many deaf ears, but you still cared enough to write it. you got heart.

rock on brother.

I am one person who has always felt the same on all of those issues but I doubt there is very many of us..... and I know 90% of what i do doesnt make a difference but fuck it, 10% is still better than nothing and it makes me feel better to say something/

seeric · 03-21-2007, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

10:30 on a Saturday morning? I may get up just to see that.

didnt see that part. i may be under a blonde or two at that time.

TheLegacy · 03-21-2007, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dwreck

I related to this thread on so many levels. I myself have built my reputation on personality and in on way am I going to apologize for it. I did pay my dues and really enjoy my work.

I got hired back in 2001 for my personality and my ability to get along with others. I had ZERO adult experience. They had a product and needed someone to get out there and bring it to the masses. I learnt everything backwards. It worked for me and is still does to this day.

Its no trade secret that webmasters have social skills problem and I believe its one of the reason that they are attracted to this biz in the first place. You can work alone and not deal with the day to day life of working in the office.

Personality can is a muscle and needs to be worked. I read Dale Carnagie, Zig Ziglar, Brian Tracey and the list goes on and on. But in the same token I read and took photo shop classes and taught myself dreamwiever etc. And im not talking about kissing ass and name dropping. I truly see this as a career for me and I take my job very seriously and i think it why I have had some longevity. With that being said I love to party and taking pics of my friends which in turn has led to some great biz deals.

True Personality gets overlooked and hated on by people that don't embrace it.

Well done Laj!

took a great deal of guts to say what you just said. I too have read those books and in the mainstream world gave seminars myself.

As was mentioned before, I refuse to add a company name and have kept TheLegacy for my 11 years in this business. I generally keep a low profile and stay in the background, but do not shy away from opportunities that are asked of me. I see no need to be a 'party animal' and have been accused of not getting attention drawn to myself because I do not play the game of personality marketing.

Instead I (and assuming you) use my time assisting webmasters and building my reputation and nick name on respect and fairness.

we all know the people who try and create a board personality and feel the more crazy they are etc. that they will be loved and thought of as a player.

Just because its the adult industry does not mean we have to start acting as children - we need to do business as adults. The owners I speak too appreciate that I am up front with them and what they see is what they get.

Once again thanks LAJ for casting light on a long standing problem, the change has to happen somewhere... and thanks again Dwreck for writing this post

will76 · 03-21-2007, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by boneprone

Nahh its all good..

I have a Masters Degree in Health Care Marketing. I never used it.

So instead I used it to market and create a brand for myself in this industry.

Its all good..

No other person or "clone" as ya call it is taken serious.

I have the shit to back it up. The reputation to back it up. And the Name to back it up.

Ive created a name, an image, a handsign that was created as a joke but became an industry icon, and even slogans like "bow to the power" or "I fucked her" that people relate to me with..

ITs all fun and games most of it. But its marketing at its finest.

Most people dont realize the thought thats gone into the branding and marketing. Ive been implanted in many people's heads in the biz and they dont even realize it.

But in the end of the day I could buy and sell most of these clones..

And I could round up the masses like sheep in a field on a whim.

BP4L

Sorry, not trying to be a dick, but what the hell does boneprone mean? I just read all of that you said and while i have seen the words posted here a bunch of times i don't know what it means, anything about it, etc.... maybe I am just a noob. Never cared to asked before but seems appropriate now.

will76 · 03-21-2007, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Far-L

ok read the article... and Jay you know I love you... but my one criticism is something like that is pure fluff unless you name some names and give some down and dirty history...

The reps that pretended to be owners... NAME THEM

the folks that knew nothing about the net that spoke on panels at shows as if they were an authority... NAME THEM

the blowhards that bounce from company to company on resumes of hollow hype... NAME THEM

Until then it can only be a gummy insinuation instead of being an indictment that has teeth...

Jay too nice a guy to name names, but if he had a bad boy net personality.......

Rexk · 03-21-2007, 05:51 PM

I get paid to make the company money...not become a legend in my own mind...excellent article Jay...look forward to seeing you fuckers in Phoenix

boneprone · 03-21-2007, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

Sorry, not trying to be a dick, but what the hell does boneprone mean? I just read all of that you said and while i have seen the words posted here a bunch of times i don't know what it means, anything about it, etc.... maybe I am just a noob. Never cared to asked before but seems appropriate now.

IT means noting..

Thanks just it..

It has been defined and only defined by me.

One could argue the true value of buying a domain name with meaning for thousands of dollars, vs a domain name that means nothing and creating it into something..

Look at sex.com

YOu think that site would be anything without a name like that? Probably not..

Some people or sites need a name.. Others can create it.

DonkeyPunchProductions · 03-21-2007, 06:44 PM

It definitely is risky to invest in an unproven concept/ idea/ business model. Fact is most businesses fail. Kind of touch and go starting out as a small fish in a big pond, wonder if you can relate? Scary, risky, sometimes terrifying even for those with the best intentions.

SleazyDream · 03-21-2007, 06:49 PM

that was the reason I asked eric to reset my real post count of almost 30K.

if i talk listen to me based on what i say. It was amazing on gfy just how many people think I lost authority when my post count got reset.

branding is important. this is a small business and personalities will def stand out in it

12clicks · 03-21-2007, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory

I have had likely 5 names in this business. I have had a name for Adult Check. A name for Adult Check's payment processing system / platform. A name I used when I owned MGP sites, such as Adult-Clips.com. I have a name for Weg now, and it isn't even consistent from board to board.

I am not here to brand myself, I am here to help create a successful program and contribute to the greater good of this business.

I am on this panel. I am very anti-panel. I can't honestly say that I am the right person for the panel, as I obviously don't see myself as a brand. I accepted the panel spot as I thought I was being placed on "viral marketing for consumers," something I spend a lot more time focusing on as opposed to my GFY nick.

I enjoy making fun post. I enjoy my personal blog. But I don't take any of it that serious.

If you make sincere contributions, the right people will know who you are.

Your name will not matter at that point.

we should tell the powers that be to swap us. I'm on the
"Traffic School" ? Building profitable relationships panel. I'm much better at explaining how to do a personality right or WRONG and you are Mr. happy happy, joy joy when it comes to relationship building with affiliates etc.

Cory W · 03-21-2007, 08:22 PM

Jay,

I think a lot of reps / sales reps gain a false sense of security and online acceptance as a result of these chat forums. I think it is one of the key reasons that so many move from job to job.

When I make a serious post, my hope is that serious business people will read it and in some instances, give feedback or contribute. I think that many people just hope they get a lot of responses and that those responses are flattering. And many companies hire representatives based on these threads.

The key element is utilizing a target audience. It?s making a post that offers a real solution or use and getting that message out to the correct audience.

When Rochard brought up reps that take on a corporate name, it raised what I see as a serious issue: Reps are more concerned with image, when they should be concerned with production. And this is fueled by the aforementioned false sense of security and online acceptance. I see companies hire based on image all the time. It explains the turnover rate.

If someone is productive, people will notice it and it isn?t going to matter if they have YNOT in front of their name or something else. The industry is shrinking in terms of companies that can afford to pay people higher wages as well as offer individuals a system that they can advance in.

Also Rochard, I doubt highly that new hire reps are choosing ?platinum? in front of their nicks. I would safely assume they are being asked to use it as a part of their jobs. And I for one don?t think that is too much to ask.

I chose Weg in front of my name. When I hired Robert, he changed it to Weg, I didn?t ask him too. John and Gabe use other nicks. It just doesn?t matter.

I have often contemplated changing my nick to Wegcash.

I just don?t care. My nick isn?t a priority. As I said before, I am not likely the right guy for this seminar; I will however do my best to contribute in terms of providing honest information and insight into how Weg and myself utilize all aspects of webmaster marketing.

Good thread, look forward to seeing you in Phoenix.

Cory W · 03-21-2007, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

we should tell the powers that be to swap us. I'm on the
"Traffic School" ? Building profitable relationships panel. I'm much better at explaining how to do a personality right or WRONG and you are Mr. happy happy, joy joy when it comes to relationship building with affiliates etc.

That's great : )

Like I said, I am on this seminar by accident. I thought it was viral in terms of consumers. And as you know, I am anti-seminar. But I intend to give it my best shot. I doubt anyone finds my rhetoric interesting.

I look forward to seeing you in Phoenix. We need to go to dinner.

Juicy D. Links · 03-21-2007, 08:26 PM

"How does this branding thing work" ?????????/

Juicy D. Links · 03-21-2007, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by A1R3K

didnt see that part. i may be under a blonde or two at that time.

yo if you have 2 i am jumping in da bed with you

12clicks · 03-21-2007, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory

I doubt anyone finds my rhetoric interesting.

that whole "gay power" rhetoric?
I'm down with that.

GUNNER · 03-21-2007, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory

Jay,

I think a lot of reps / sales reps gain a false sense of security and online acceptance as a result of these chat forums. I think it is one of the key reasons that so many move from job to job.

When I make a serious post, my hope is that serious business people will read it and in some instances, give feedback or contribute. I think that many people just hope they get a lot of responses and that those responses are flattering. And many companies hire representatives based on these threads.

The key element is utilizing a target audience. It?s making a post that offers a real solution or use and getting that message out to the correct audience.

When Rochard brought up reps that take on a corporate name, it raised what I see as a serious issue: Reps are more concerned with image, when they should be concerned with production. And this is fueled by the aforementioned false sense of security and online acceptance. I see companies hire based on image all the time. It explains the turnover rate.

If someone is productive, people will notice it and it isn?t going to matter if they have YNOT in front of their name or something else. The industry is shrinking in terms of companies that can afford to pay people higher wages as well as offer individuals a system that they can advance in.

Also Rochard, I doubt highly that new hire reps are choosing ?platinum? in front of their nicks. I would safely assume they are being asked to use it as a part of their jobs. And I for one don?t think that is too much to ask.

I chose Weg in front of my name. When I hired Robert, he changed it to Weg, I didn?t ask him too. John and Gabe use other nicks. It just doesn?t matter.

I have often contemplated changing my nick to Wegcash.

I just don?t care. My nick isn?t a priority. As I said before, I am not likely the right guy for this seminar; I will however do my best to contribute in terms of providing honest information and insight into how Weg and myself utilize all aspects of webmaster marketing.

Good thread, look forward to seeing you in Phoenix.

So I should get the I (HEART) WEG CORY tattoo on my ass removed??

AGP Albert · 03-21-2007, 08:38 PM

Great article!

Cory W · 03-21-2007, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GUNNER

So I should get the I (HEART) WEG CORY tattoo on my ass removed??

Oh man haha

This is going to be bad

LAJ · 03-21-2007, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

Jay too nice a guy to name names

I wouldn't say "nice" is the word... I just don't like leaving "paper trails." Talk to me one on one and you get different results.

But then again... whom I do business with, whom I associate with and how I conduct business as opposed to whom I do none of the above with tells my story. To me actions speak much louder than words.

LAJ · 03-21-2007, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory

I just don?t care. My nick isn?t a priority. As I said before, I am not likely the right guy for this seminar; I will however do my best to contribute in terms of providing honest information and insight into how Weg and myself utilize all aspects of webmaster marketing.

Good thread, look forward to seeing you in Phoenix.

Actually Cory, I think you are the right guy for this seminar. Your insight and approach is quite different and I'm just hoping that those who disagree with you actually show up. You've walked the walk. This is gonna be a great seminar... look forward to seeing you too man.

jscott · 03-21-2007, 09:05 PM

for example, sonofsam was a nice/cool guy for a while, then look what he did :321gfy

seeric · 03-21-2007, 09:08 PM

i love carrots. theres alot of bullshit in this thread now.

will76 · 03-21-2007, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory

Jay,

I think a lot of reps / sales reps gain a false sense of security and online acceptance as a result of these chat forums. I think it is one of the key reasons that so many move from job to job.

When I make a serious post, my hope is that serious business people will read it and in some instances, give feedback or contribute. I think that many people just hope they get a lot of responses and that those responses are flattering. And many companies hire representatives based on these threads.

The key element is utilizing a target audience. It?s making a post that offers a real solution or use and getting that message out to the correct audience.

When Rochard brought up reps that take on a corporate name, it raised what I see as a serious issue: Reps are more concerned with image, when they should be concerned with production. And this is fueled by the aforementioned false sense of security and online acceptance. I see companies hire based on image all the time. It explains the turnover rate.

If someone is productive, people will notice it and it isn?t going to matter if they have YNOT in front of their name or something else. The industry is shrinking in terms of companies that can afford to pay people higher wages as well as offer individuals a system that they can advance in.

Also Rochard, I doubt highly that new hire reps are choosing ?platinum? in front of their nicks. I would safely assume they are being asked to use it as a part of their jobs. And I for one don?t think that is too much to ask.

I chose Weg in front of my name. When I hired Robert, he changed it to Weg, I didn?t ask him too. John and Gabe use other nicks. It just doesn?t matter.

I have often contemplated changing my nick to Wegcash.

I just don?t care. My nick isn?t a priority. As I said before, I am not likely the right guy for this seminar; I will however do my best to contribute in terms of providing honest information and insight into how Weg and myself utilize all aspects of webmaster marketing.

Good thread, look forward to seeing you in Phoenix.

Good luck with the serious people reading and having a business discussion, at least on this forum and most others that encourage people to act like 12 year olds and are fueled by drama. You might be able to make a serious business related post and you might even get some serious replies but you are also going to get " fuck you what the fuck do you know" and " see sig" and and bunch of other bots posting off topic shit.

Good post Cory, and I agree with what you said. All these people that build up their " image " here so they can make sig money or get a company to hire them as a rep, they are doing no justice to themselves. Instead of developing a skill (real skill) that can transcend adult or even the internet they instead focus their efforts on building up their punk idenity. Which if all fails for them in adult they have done nothing to better themselves for the " real world".

I am sure the manager at the corner 7-11 cares how many people you " owned " on GFY back in the day and how big your post count was or how many parties you went too. They might give you free slurpies with that on your resume.

BradM · 03-21-2007, 09:24 PM

Thanks for writing this LAJ. I read it, I appreciate it. Many will not understand which is the biggest problem with the state of the business right now.

Poppy · 03-21-2007, 09:52 PM

Nice article Jay. See you there!

Cory W · 03-21-2007, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

Good luck with the serious people reading and having a business discussion, at least on this forum and most others that encourage people to act like 12 year olds and are fueled by drama. You might be able to make a serious business related post and you might even get some serious replies but you are also going to get " fuck you what the fuck do you know" and " see sig" and and bunch of other bots posting off topic shit.

Good post Cory, and I agree with what you said. All these people that build up their " image " here so they can make sig money or get a company to hire them as a rep, they are doing no justice to themselves. Instead of developing a skill (real skill) that can transcend adult or even the internet they instead focus their efforts on building up their punk idenity. Which if all fails for them in adult they have done nothing to better themselves for the " real world".

I am sure the manager at the corner 7-11 cares how many people you " owned " on GFY back in the day and how big your post count was or how many parties you went too. They might give you free slurpies with that on your resume.

Thing is, my post comes off as arrogant but if you read it, I really am just giving what I see as an honest assessment of the situation. I harbor no ill will towards anyone?s style. I really believe in ?to each their own.? If I hadn?t been placed on this seminar, I never would have replied to this thread.

Jay, I do appreciate your saying I would be a good person for this seminar. However, technically, I work on the production side of Weg. I don?t really do the marketing. My marketing post are usually based on something I just pushed into the system on our adult side.

As far as people disagreeing with me, the only point of contention that stands out to me is the prefaced-brand name. It has all been respectful and professional. That is all good with me. I am honest on the boards; I will be honest in person. I sincerely want to help.

One thing I can comment on that I feel would be productive is our marketing history. I will shoot you straight on successes and failures Weg has been a part of (or more precisely, what I think works and doesn?t work). I would also be interested in the same from the other panelist (all of which are more qualified than I am for this).

Thanks for having me though. I think it will be a nice and productive gathering.

kilotoons · 03-21-2007, 10:55 PM

There's thousands of scammers in this industry, unfortunately, including a few large names and as we all know,.billing companies. Of course, there are thousands of scammers in every industry. basing your biz decisions on a board personality is wrong wrong wrong

MicroChick · 03-21-2007, 11:11 PM

Jay,

Did you ask Peaches or Lee Noga to be on any of the panels? If not, why not?

They would be great. They are 100 times more savvy and intelligent than the men. Do you have any idea what large numbers of attendees you would get if you had these women on the same panels as 12clicks and Cory?

Since Cory keeps telling us how he hates seminars, kick his ass off and replace him with Peaches or Lee Noga or both.

Women make porn go round and round, not the men. Sharpie spoon fed you or you wouldn't be writing this article.

WWC · 03-21-2007, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

uh, no business people base their decissions on board popularity. ;)

ditto!!! took the words out of my mouth...no true business person makes a decision on someones board popularity....its just all branding, advertising, getting the word out...thats all....and that is very important in my opionion....keep on posting :-)

SleazyDream · 03-21-2007, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

Good luck with the serious people reading and having a business discussion, at least on this forum and most others that encourage people to act like 12 year olds and are fueled by drama. You might be able to make a serious business related post and you might even get some serious replies but you are also going to get " fuck you what the fuck do you know" and " see sig" and and bunch of other bots posting off topic shit.

Good post Cory, and I agree with what you said. All these people that build up their " image " here so they can make sig money or get a company to hire them as a rep, they are doing no justice to themselves. Instead of developing a skill (real skill) that can transcend adult or even the internet they instead focus their efforts on building up their punk idenity. Which if all fails for them in adult they have done nothing to better themselves for the " real world".

I am sure the manager at the corner 7-11 cares how many people you " owned " on GFY back in the day and how big your post count was or how many parties you went too. They might give you free slurpies with that on your resume.

I can get free slurpies???????????

CuriousToyBoy · 03-21-2007, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dwreck

True Personality gets overlooked and hated on by people that don't embrace it.

Awesome line Derek, I'm gonna pinch it and use it if you don't mind

Amazing how many people still don't get it at all.

Awesome article Jay, in context with the rest of that AVN edition was perfect.

And 'grats to AVN for a theme that was VERY well covered and represented.

Now I'll just go away and self-promote me some more somewhere else.

He he

SPACE GLIDER · 03-21-2007, 11:31 PM

TOO true. But what can you do?

DonkeyPunchProductions · 03-22-2007, 12:00 AM

Similar to the AG, judge one on his/her actions not on what he/she posts on a b.s. message board. For some GFY is a good forum to learn what is going on in the industry, get your name out, and get some great laughs (even at your own expense). Some people similar to me have made some mistakes in their personal lives but do not (and have never) conducted business as such. All I ask is that you make judgments based on the “reality” of one’s business practices, not posts on an adult industry board intended to be read by those in the adult industry. Thank you!

will76 · 03-22-2007, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream

I can get free slurpies???????????

if anyone can it's you. Just tell the high school kid behind the register you are sleazy dream and you throwing one cool ass party and he is invited. Not only will you get a free slurpie but i bet he throws in some m&ms for you too.

If you really lucky he might let you wear his varsity jacket.

will76 · 03-22-2007, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DonkeyPunchProductions

Similar to the AG, judge one on his/her actions not on what he/she posts on a b.s. message board. For some GFY is a good forum to learn what is going on in the industry, get your name out, and get some great laughs (even at your own expense). Some people similar to me have made some mistakes in their personal lives but do not (and have never) conducted business as such. All I ask is that you make judgments based on the ?reality? of one?s business practices, not posts on an adult industry board intended to be read by those in the adult industry. Thank you!

that is bullshit and most people don't get it. If this is just " some b.s." board then why do people promote their business here? Why do people advertise here, paid, sigs, or just start threads about their services... Obviously a lot of people, in one form or another, do business here. This is the " conference room" of a traditional business. This is where a lot of people do their business.

So you have some people here who act like total jackasses on messageboards but relly on them for a good portion of the business.

So how am I suppose to judge someone, by the way they act when they are in the place where they do a lot of their business or the way they act when they are buying me drinks just bullshitting with me at a party.

03-21-2007, 12:54 PM	#52
Ace_luffy www.creationcrew.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: CREATIONCREW.COM CREATIONCREW.COM CREATIONCREW.COM CREATIONCREW.COM CREATIONCREW.COM CREATIONCREW.COM Posts: 12,109	nice article.. thanks for sharing.. . .. . __________________ ++ Adult and Mainstream Websites Designs \| 10 banners for only $50 \| html5 Banners ++ email : [email protected] Telegram : https://t.me/creationcrew \| HTML5/Responsive Site - Div/CSS - ElevatedX - NATs - Wordpress

03-21-2007, 01:26 PM	#54
AK MadZuma Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California Posts: 6,436	great thread Jay! __________________ Alfonsus Kusuma (AK) ak at madzuma.com skype me - alfonsus.com

03-21-2007, 02:06 PM	#56
LAJ Gingerific Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Austin Posts: 5,567	Well Far-L... I look forward to the day myself when the cycle can be broken. __________________ YNOT.com - The original industry resource email jay at ynot dot com or skype LAJConsulting

03-21-2007, 02:26 PM	#59
Dwreck Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 7,362	I related to this thread on so many levels. I myself have built my reputation on personality and in on way am I going to apologize for it. I did pay my dues and really enjoy my work. I got hired back in 2001 for my personality and my ability to get along with others. I had ZERO adult experience. They had a product and needed someone to get out there and bring it to the masses. I learnt everything backwards. It worked for me and is still does to this day. Its no trade secret that webmasters have social skills problem and I believe its one of the reason that they are attracted to this biz in the first place. You can work alone and not deal with the day to day life of working in the office. Personality can is a muscle and needs to be worked. I read Dale Carnagie, Zig Ziglar, Brian Tracey and the list goes on and on. But in the same token I read and took photo shop classes and taught myself dreamwiever etc. And im not talking about kissing ass and name dropping. I truly see this as a career for me and I take my job very seriously and i think it why I have had some longevity. With that being said I love to party and taking pics of my friends which in turn has led to some great biz deals. True Personality gets overlooked and hated on by people that don't embrace it. Well done Laj! __________________ Derek Dwreck Smout Program Manager Icq 165976549 Skype derekthomassmout

03-21-2007, 05:05 PM	#63
Jman Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Canuckstikan Posts: 22,760	Thanks for the read Jay, Always love reading your deep thaughts... Especially late a night. Oui Oui!!! __________________ email: [email protected] Best AI Affiliate Program We also do WL at $0.00 upfront costs FantasyXXX.AI Teams: jean.francois.laverdiere TG: @jman1216

03-21-2007, 02:21 PM	#58
Peaches Old broad Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Away Posts: 13,933	When you start naming names and even providing proof of your comments, SOMEONE will always come running in to defend them and then you're the bad guy for pointing it out ;) It's easier (and actually more fun) just to sit back and watch..........and of course discuss it on ICQ

03-21-2007, 05:51 PM	#71
Rexk Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 704	I get paid to make the company money...not become a legend in my own mind...excellent article Jay...look forward to seeing you fuckers in Phoenix __________________

03-21-2007, 06:44 PM	#73
DonkeyPunchProductions Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: back in la Posts: 188	It definitely is risky to invest in an unproven concept/ idea/ business model. Fact is most businesses fail. Kind of touch and go starting out as a small fish in a big pond, wonder if you can relate? Scary, risky, sometimes terrifying even for those with the best intentions. __________________ donkey, donkey www.velvetdonkey.com

03-21-2007, 06:49 PM	#74
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	that was the reason I asked eric to reset my real post count of almost 30K. if i talk listen to me based on what i say. It was amazing on gfy just how many people think I lost authority when my post count got reset. branding is important. this is a small business and personalities will def stand out in it __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

03-21-2007, 08:22 PM	#76
Cory W Deeply shallow Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hollywood, Ca. Posts: 9,133	Jay, I think a lot of reps / sales reps gain a false sense of security and online acceptance as a result of these chat forums. I think it is one of the key reasons that so many move from job to job. When I make a serious post, my hope is that serious business people will read it and in some instances, give feedback or contribute. I think that many people just hope they get a lot of responses and that those responses are flattering. And many companies hire representatives based on these threads. The key element is utilizing a target audience. It?s making a post that offers a real solution or use and getting that message out to the correct audience. When Rochard brought up reps that take on a corporate name, it raised what I see as a serious issue: Reps are more concerned with image, when they should be concerned with production. And this is fueled by the aforementioned false sense of security and online acceptance. I see companies hire based on image all the time. It explains the turnover rate. If someone is productive, people will notice it and it isn?t going to matter if they have YNOT in front of their name or something else. The industry is shrinking in terms of companies that can afford to pay people higher wages as well as offer individuals a system that they can advance in. Also Rochard, I doubt highly that new hire reps are choosing ?platinum? in front of their nicks. I would safely assume they are being asked to use it as a part of their jobs. And I for one don?t think that is too much to ask. I chose Weg in front of my name. When I hired Robert, he changed it to Weg, I didn?t ask him too. John and Gabe use other nicks. It just doesn?t matter. I have often contemplated changing my nick to Wegcash. I just don?t care. My nick isn?t a priority. As I said before, I am not likely the right guy for this seminar; I will however do my best to contribute in terms of providing honest information and insight into how Weg and myself utilize all aspects of webmaster marketing. Good thread, look forward to seeing you in Phoenix. __________________ ICQ: 292310358 Offering writing and content services (mainstream). Marketing for L3 Payments

03-21-2007, 08:26 PM	#78
Juicy D. Links So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: N.Y. -Long Island -- Posts: 122,992	"How does this branding thing work" ?????????/

03-21-2007, 08:38 PM	#82
AGP Albert Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 720	Great article! __________________ AGP ALBERT ALTOGLOBALPROCESSING.COM Email: [email protected] Office: 305.532.8701 Fax: 305.532.8702 ICQ: 585003252 Skype:Albert.AGP BB PIN: 31CBA558 www.AltoGlobalProcessing.com [email protected] See Who I Am At AdultWhosWho.com! See My Ambush Interview!

03-21-2007, 09:05 PM	#86
jscott So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Taipei Posts: 25,198	for example, sonofsam was a nice/cool guy for a while, then look what he did :321gfy

03-21-2007, 09:08 PM	#87
seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	i love carrots. theres alot of bullshit in this thread now. Last edited by seeric; 03-21-2007 at 09:10 PM..

03-21-2007, 09:24 PM	#89
BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	Thanks for writing this LAJ. I read it, I appreciate it. Many will not understand which is the biggest problem with the state of the business right now.

03-21-2007, 09:52 PM	#90
Poppy Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: O H I O Posts: 6,254	Nice article Jay. See you there! __________________ VP Sales, Peak5Payments [email protected] Skype: consultpoppy In adult since 98'

03-21-2007, 10:55 PM	#92
kilotoons Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Look for me where it's hot and sunny Posts: 519	There's thousands of scammers in this industry, unfortunately, including a few large names and as we all know,.billing companies. Of course, there are thousands of scammers in every industry. basing your biz decisions on a board personality is wrong wrong wrong __________________ Knowledge is Power Ask Me How To make money

03-21-2007, 11:11 PM	#93
MicroChick Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: California Posts: 1,277	Jay, Did you ask Peaches or Lee Noga to be on any of the panels? If not, why not? They would be great. They are 100 times more savvy and intelligent than the men. Do you have any idea what large numbers of attendees you would get if you had these women on the same panels as 12clicks and Cory? Since Cory keeps telling us how he hates seminars, kick his ass off and replace him with Peaches or Lee Noga or both. Women make porn go round and round, not the men. Sharpie spoon fed you or you wouldn't be writing this article.

03-21-2007, 11:31 PM	#97
SPACE GLIDER Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,550	TOO true. But what can you do? __________________ EarnCoin - Revive Your Ratios Now! Pain Lessons \|Orgastic Shock \| Snatch Sizers

03-22-2007, 12:00 AM	#98
DonkeyPunchProductions Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: back in la Posts: 188	Similar to the AG, judge one on his/her actions not on what he/she posts on a b.s. message board. For some GFY is a good forum to learn what is going on in the industry, get your name out, and get some great laughs (even at your own expense). Some people similar to me have made some mistakes in their personal lives but do not (and have never) conducted business as such. All I ask is that you make judgments based on the “reality” of one’s business practices, not posts on an adult industry board intended to be read by those in the adult industry. Thank you! __________________ donkey, donkey www.velvetdonkey.com