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BusterBunny · 03-22-2007, 01:58 AM

100.....

Juicy D. Links · 03-22-2007, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by will76

that is bullshit and most people don't get it. If this is just " some b.s." board then why do people promote their business here? Why do people advertise here, paid, sigs, or just start threads about their services... Obviously a lot of people, in one form or another, do business here. This is the " conference room" of a traditional business. This is where a lot of people do their business.

So you have some people here who act like total jackasses on messageboards but relly on them for a good portion of the business.

So how am I suppose to judge someone, by the way they act when they are in the place where they do a lot of their business or the way they act when they are buying me drinks just bullshitting with me at a party.

Will i miss u

V_RocKs · 03-22-2007, 03:02 AM

So you don't like Juicy or KB I take it?

Peaches · 03-22-2007, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by A1R3K

i love carrots. theres alot of bullshit in this thread now.

Tell it.

OK, I realized everyone might not be as old as me, and thought I was asking A1R3K to actually "tell it" when it's just an old saying that means "you're 100% correct ;) I would never ask anyone to name names on a board - that's what person to person is for

12clicks · 03-22-2007, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by MicroChick

Jay,

Did you ask Peaches or Lee Noga to be on any of the panels? If not, why not?

They would be great. They are 100 times more savvy and intelligent than the men. Do you have any idea what large numbers of attendees you would get if you had these women on the same panels as 12clicks and Cory?

Since Cory keeps telling us how he hates seminars, kick his ass off and replace him with Peaches or Lee Noga or both.

Women make porn go round and round, not the men. Sharpie spoon fed you or you wouldn't be writing this article.

here's a typical example of what's wrong with this biz.
take this woman for example. Not a part of the business, makes negative posts 100% of the time, and thinks people going to seminars want to waste their time hearing from has beens.

Juicy D. Links · 03-22-2007, 06:24 AM

Ill brand anything and evrything , if ya want lmk.....

Juicy D. Links · 03-22-2007, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

here's a typical example of what's wrong with this biz.
take this woman for example. Not a part of the business, makes negative posts 100% of the time, and thinks people going to seminars want to waste their time hearing from has beens.

12 you are invited to the JDL Phx Forum invite only orgy

12clicks · 03-22-2007, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

12 you are invited to the JDL Phx Forum invite only orgy

if its man/man love I'm all over it.

Juicy D. Links · 03-22-2007, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

if its man/man love I'm all over it.

we will have middgets also

LAJ · 03-22-2007, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by MicroChick

Jay,

Did you ask Peaches or Lee Noga to be on any of the panels? If not, why not?

They would be great. They are 100 times more savvy and intelligent than the men. Do you have any idea what large numbers of attendees you would get if you had these women on the same panels as 12clicks and Cory?

Since Cory keeps telling us how he hates seminars, kick his ass off and replace him with Peaches or Lee Noga or both.

Women make porn go round and round, not the men. Sharpie spoon fed you or you wouldn't be writing this article.

All panel decisions were the decisions of the Phoenix forum. You'd need to take it up with them regarding who they invited to speak.

LAJ · 03-22-2007, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory

Thing is, my post comes off as arrogant but if you read it, I really am just giving what I see as an honest assessment of the situation. I harbor no ill will towards anyone?s style. I really believe in ?to each their own.? If I hadn?t been placed on this seminar, I never would have replied to this thread.

Jay, I do appreciate your saying I would be a good person for this seminar. However, technically, I work on the production side of Weg. I don?t really do the marketing. My marketing post are usually based on something I just pushed into the system on our adult side.

As far as people disagreeing with me, the only point of contention that stands out to me is the prefaced-brand name. It has all been respectful and professional. That is all good with me. I am honest on the boards; I will be honest in person. I sincerely want to help.

One thing I can comment on that I feel would be productive is our marketing history. I will shoot you straight on successes and failures Weg has been a part of (or more precisely, what I think works and doesn?t work). I would also be interested in the same from the other panelist (all of which are more qualified than I am for this).

Thanks for having me though. I think it will be a nice and productive gathering.

Sure thing Cory...

And For everyone... I just want to once again state for the record, I had NOTHING to do with the selection of panelists for this panel... CCBill / Phoenix Forum execs did that. Personally if I had any control over who got to be on this panel I would have selected differently.

Peaches · 03-22-2007, 07:36 AM

I missed all the Toastmasters meetings we were supposed to attend when I was with MCI so I HATE talking in front of a room full of people!!

Plus I've always been and always will be just a little person in the biz

(with a big butt........)

12clicks · 03-22-2007, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by LAJ

Sure thing Cory...

And For everyone... I just want to once again state for the record, I had NOTHING to do with the selection of panelists for this panel... CCBill / Phoenix Forum execs did that. Personally if I had any control over who got to be on this panel I would have selected differently.

I think the selections were well done (outside of their missfire of having me on a panel).
I also thank CCbill for making the effort.

V_RocKs · 03-22-2007, 11:47 AM

In an ICQ conversation with the Board Whore Extraordinair...

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V_RocKs (11:42 AM) :
I would have to agree with LAJ only when it comes to certain people.
S.O.S. would be one of those people... It took me a loooooong time to figure out what it is exactly that you do for money. But as it turns out, you actually DO make a lot of money and you do a lot in the industry that most poeple don't know about.
S.O.S. came in, made a name for himself.. then made another name for himself... and another... and is where now?

MicroChick · 03-23-2007, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

here's a typical example of what's wrong with this biz.
take this woman for example. Not a part of the business, makes negative posts 100% of the time, and thinks people going to seminars want to waste their time hearing from has beens.

The only has-been I see in this thread is you...using the same old banners, same old programs...and same old rhetoric.

I wouldn't waste one minute of my time listening to you in a seminar setting. I guess the selectors of speakers were your trolls who voted for you.

12clicks · 03-23-2007, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by MicroChick

The only has-been I see in this thread is you...using the same old banners, same old programs...and same old rhetoric.

I wouldn't waste one minute of my time listening to you in a seminar setting. I guess the selectors of speakers were your trolls who voted for you.

stop pretending you ever come out from under your bridge.

will76 · 03-23-2007, 09:25 AM

If i go to the seminar will you teach me how to shit gold

seeric · 03-23-2007, 09:33 AM

last night i held KBs hand at his movie. errrrrrrrrr.

cory and poppy made out.

12clicks · 03-23-2007, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by will76

If i go to the seminar will you teach me how to shit gold

nah, the only thing you'll probably learn is how to argue with the othe panelists.

MicroChick · 03-23-2007, 12:50 PM

[QUOTE=A1R3K cory and poppy made out.[/QUOTE]

Quiet, 12clicks will get jealous.

Cory W · 03-23-2007, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by A1R3K

last night i held KBs hand at his movie. errrrrrrrrr.

cory and poppy made out.

It was great seeing you last night. Definitely good times.

Jay,

Just an fyi, I dropped out of this seminar. So if you had suggestions for better selections (as you mentioned earlier), I think you should contact CCBill. I am always available to answer questions in regards to Weg, our marketing and our product development; However for this panel, I don't see myself as a good fit. As I said before, I was under the assumption that this was a discussion involving viral products / consumers / money made with blogs and syndication / etc.

Good luck on everything and I hope it ends up serving everyone well. The Phoenix Forum is a leader among leaders, I look forward to seeing everyone.

webmasterchecks · 03-23-2007, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by LAJ

Sure thing Cory...

And For everyone... I just want to once again state for the record, I had NOTHING to do with the selection of panelists for this panel... CCBill / Phoenix Forum execs did that. Personally if I had any control over who got to be on this panel I would have selected differently.

its pretty tactless and insulting to the panelists to publicly say that you dont agree that they should be on that panel, when you are moderating it

Cory W · 03-23-2007, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by THEMASKEDRIDER

its pretty tactless and insulting to the panelists to publicly say that you dont agree that they should be on that panel, when you are moderating it

While it certainly made my decision to drop an easier one, I do see why the speakers were selected.

I think the Phoenix Forum does a good job selecting speakers and organizing a show that is as business driven as possible. What they do isn't easy and I am looking forward to it once again this year.

seeric · 03-23-2007, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory

While it certainly made my decision to drop an easier one, I do see why the speakers were selected.

I think the Phoenix Forum does a good job selecting speakers and organizing a show that is as business driven as possible. What they do isn't easy and I am looking forward to it once again this year.

who are the panelists anyhow? what is the panel really about? branding? personality marketing? this is actually the first time i've really paid attention to that term. i'll still go and check it out for sure. even if i'm hung over and reaking of jaegermeister and dirty girls.

btw, get those two movies i told you about last night. was great hanging out with everyone, was a perfect night. lots of fun.

Cory W · 03-23-2007, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by A1R3K

who are the panelists anyhow? what is the panel really about? branding? personality marketing? this is actually the first time i've really paid attention to that term. i'll still go and check it out for sure. even if i'm hung over and reaking of jaegermeister and dirty girls.

btw, get those two movies i told you about last night. was great hanging out with everyone, was a perfect night. lots of fun.

Will do on the movies, Thanks. Good seeing you as well.

And great picture. Good times for sure.

LAJ · 03-23-2007, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by THEMASKEDRIDER

its pretty tactless and insulting to the panelists to publicly say that you dont agree that they should be on that panel, when you are moderating it

Why? I honestly think there are a few more prolific marketing people in this biz who I know love to be on panels that I think would be a better match for this particular seminar. I'm sure the same could be said about me and moderating it.

I feel the same way about a few speakers on other seminars as well. I've been organizing seminars for Cybernet Expo for going on 5 years... I have my way of doing things... Phoenix Forum has theirs. Neither is 100% correct. It is what it is.

webmasterchecks · 03-24-2007, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by LAJ

Why? I honestly think there are a few more prolific marketing people in this biz who I know love to be on panels that I think would be a better match for this particular seminar. I'm sure the same could be said about me and moderating it.

I feel the same way about a few speakers on other seminars as well. I've been organizing seminars for Cybernet Expo for going on 5 years... I have my way of doing things... Phoenix Forum has theirs. Neither is 100% correct. It is what it is.

here is why

first of all, you have been asked to participate and your hurting the seminar by saying that it could have been set up better rather than helping it

i dont see what that statement gained you versus what it cost, just expected a little more professionality from a guy that helps organize competing shows

just struck me as a pretty pussy thing to say, when you got a little pushback, "oh i had nothing to do with it, i would have done it differently"

as for your experience with cybernet, since you brought it up, last years show was the worse run/planned show i had ever been to, all around, so your mention of that did not gain you much ground

webmasterchecks · 03-24-2007, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by LAJ

Why? I honestly think there are a few more prolific marketing people in this biz who I know love to be on panels that I think would be a better match for this particular seminar.

by the way, its not about putting people on panels that want to be on panels, im sure if you took a poll, youll find half or more of the attendees willing to sit on a panel to market themselves and their products to a thousand people, its about putting people on panels that are of value to the audience

davecummings · 03-24-2007, 04:43 PM

Well said, LAJ --thanks!

Dave

Cyndalie · 03-24-2007, 05:29 PM

I'd like to contribute by saying that there is another tier to personality based marketing over nick, antics, and style - one can build a reputation and name for themselves by becoming well known for their area of expertise and having the ability to communicate that knowledge, help others, and showing a path of being sucessful at it. By being resourceful, ones name can become well known. But this takes effort, time, and a level of professionalism beyond just board postings and 'looks' to become well known. The ones that are paying attention will always think of your name first when the topic of who is knowledable about that field and will always come to you when the time is right.

SteveLightspeed · 03-24-2007, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by LAJ

Why? I honestly think there are a few more prolific marketing people in this biz who I know love to be on panels that I think would be a better match for this particular seminar. I'm sure the same could be said about me and moderating it.

I feel the same way about a few speakers on other seminars as well. I've been organizing seminars for Cybernet Expo for going on 5 years... I have my way of doing things... Phoenix Forum has theirs. Neither is 100% correct. It is what it is.

I'm not feeling great about being on this panel now because of this either. Wtf Jay? Maybe you should remove yourself from this one since you are so unhappy with the setup?

Steve Lightspeed

12clicks · 03-24-2007, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

I'm not feeling great about being on this panel now because of this either. Wtf Jay? Maybe you should remove yourself from this one since you are so unhappy with the setup?

Steve Lightspeed

yeah, not sure where he was going with that post.

JFK · 03-24-2007, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

yeah, not sure where he was going with that post.

does he need to go ANYWHERE?

.................... Draw your own conclusions??

swampthing · 03-24-2007, 11:56 PM

Seminars suck balls.

Seminars are a waste of quality sleeping time.

If you need to go to a seminar to learn shit, or better yet, If you think your going to learn something at a seminar, then its probably time to find another line of work.

MikeHawk · 03-25-2007, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

uh, no business people base their decissions on board popularity. ;)

MikeHawk · 03-25-2007, 12:45 AM

lol...

Hey a big thumbs up to all those popular people....

tony286 · 03-25-2007, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

I'm not feeling great about being on this panel now because of this either. Wtf Jay? Maybe you should remove yourself from this one since you are so unhappy with the setup?

Steve Lightspeed

You were profiled in the wall street journal and your that sensitive? Stop this is your show

12clicks · 03-25-2007, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeHawk

lol...

Hey a big thumbs up to all those popular people....

nice, here comes the unpopular crowd now.

12clicks · 03-25-2007, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by swampthing

Seminars suck balls.

Seminars are a waste of quality sleeping time.

If you need to go to a seminar to learn shit, or better yet, If you think your going to learn something at a seminar, then its probably time to find another line of work.

what name did you used to go by before this one?

SteveLightspeed · 03-25-2007, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

You were profiled in the wall street journal and your that sensitive? Stop this is your show

I'm not that "sensitive", but I too thought this seminar was supposed to be about branding and viral marketing. I'm surprised that LAJ would publicly criticize CCBill's selection of panelists so adamantly. And I think it is discourteous to The Phoenix Forum to suggest that Cybernet does a better job, whether it does or not.

Steve Lightspeed

JFK · 03-25-2007, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

what name did you used to go by before this one?

You dont think its a fake nick, do you??

will76 · 03-25-2007, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

nah, the only thing you'll probably learn is how to argue with the othe panelists.

learn...

shit i got that one down pretty good already.

SteveLightspeed · 03-25-2007, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MicroChick

Jay,

Did you ask Peaches or Lee Noga to be on any of the panels? If not, why not?

They would be great. They are 100 times more savvy and intelligent than the men. Do you have any idea what large numbers of attendees you would get if you had these women on the same panels as 12clicks and Cory?

Since Cory keeps telling us how he hates seminars, kick his ass off and replace him with Peaches or Lee Noga or both.

Women make porn go round and round, not the men. Sharpie spoon fed you or you wouldn't be writing this article.

Why doesn't someone ban this bitch?

seeric · 03-25-2007, 03:43 PM

can i put kitty in to replace cory? kitty has madddddd personality. he don't know about branding though.

webmasterchecks · 03-25-2007, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by LAJ

Why? I honestly think there are a few more prolific marketing people in this biz who I know love to be on panels that I think would be a better match for this particular seminar.

I'm sure the same could be said about me and moderating it.

considering what you said above, perhaps you should honorably tender the reigns to somebody better suited to make the seminar the best it can be

12clicks · 03-25-2007, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

learn...

shit i got that one down pretty good already.

I'll get us an XXXL sweatshirt we can wear and share the seat on the panel

Connor · 03-25-2007, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

I'm not that "sensitive", but I too thought this seminar was supposed to be about branding and viral marketing. I'm surprised that LAJ would publicly criticize CCBill's selection of panelists so adamantly. And I think it is discourteous to The Phoenix Forum to suggest that Cybernet does a better job, whether it does or not.

Steve Lightspeed

Wow Steve, that is a pretty fucking exaggerated account of what Jay posted. I agree completely with Tony, it seems like you're way too sensitive here. Here's an idea... call me radical, but if you didn't like what Jay posted, why not simply call him and ask him PRIVATELY to explain what he meant and possibly reconsider it, rather then calling for a public lynch mob on GFY?

webmasterchecks · 03-26-2007, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Connor

Wow Steve, that is a pretty fucking exaggerated account of what Jay posted. I agree completely with Tony, it seems like you're way too sensitive here. Here's an idea... call me radical, but if you didn't like what Jay posted, why not simply call him and ask him PRIVATELY to explain what he meant and possibly reconsider it, rather then calling for a public lynch mob on GFY?

conner, your obviously biased because you work with jay, he should have kept his mouth shut if he didnt want to insult anybody, isnt that a novel idea?

call me radical, he said it publicly, he should deal with it publicly, lightspeeds not the only person that read what he wrote, why should he get the private explanation?

Juicy D. Links · 03-26-2007, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs

In an ICQ conversation with the Board Whore Extraordinair...

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V_RocKs (11:42 AM) :
I would have to agree with LAJ only when it comes to certain people.
S.O.S. would be one of those people... It took me a loooooong time to figure out what it is exactly that you do for money. But as it turns out, you actually DO make a lot of money and you do a lot in the industry that most poeple don't know about.
S.O.S. came in, made a name for himself.. then made another name for himself... and another... and is where now?

true SOS was a funny character

LAJ · 03-26-2007, 10:24 AM

Well folks... I certainly meant no harm by my earlier statements, I'm not a vindictive person, but clearly feelings were hurt and unfortunately comments were misinterpreted. I essentially meant that every show is different which incidentally in my opinion is one of the strengths of the industry and why so many people attend all of the various shows and not just one.

I know how hard CCBill has been working on the Phoenix Forum and I know personally how hard it is to put a trade show together... so the last thing I want to do is be the cause of any bad feelings at the marketing seminar. My interests here are for the Phoenix Forum to be the best it possibly can be.

I feel at this point it's probably best for me to recuse myself as moderator of the marketing panel. Thanks to CCBill for providing me with the opportunity in the first place and I have no doubt they will find a great replacement moderator.

So hopefully we've cleared this up now, and everyone can just concentrate on having a good time in Phoenix. See you all at the show.

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davecummings Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 2,922	:-)) Well said, LAJ --thanks! Dave

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Cyndalie Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cherry Hill, NJ Posts: 3,615	I'd like to contribute by saying that there is another tier to personality based marketing over nick, antics, and style - one can build a reputation and name for themselves by becoming well known for their area of expertise and having the ability to communicate that knowledge, help others, and showing a path of being sucessful at it. By being resourceful, ones name can become well known. But this takes effort, time, and a level of professionalism beyond just board postings and 'looks' to become well known. The ones that are paying attention will always think of your name first when the topic of who is knowledable about that field and will always come to you when the time is right. __________________ Cyndalie Marketing Director StoriesTraffic.com

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Peaches Old broad Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Away Posts: 13,933	I missed all the Toastmasters meetings we were supposed to attend when I was with MCI so I HATE talking in front of a room full of people!! Plus I've always been and always will be just a little person in the biz (with a big butt........)

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seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	last night i held KBs hand at his movie. errrrrrrrrr. cory and poppy made out.

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03-26-2007, 10:24 AM	#150
LAJ Gingerific Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Austin Posts: 5,567	Well folks... I certainly meant no harm by my earlier statements, I'm not a vindictive person, but clearly feelings were hurt and unfortunately comments were misinterpreted. I essentially meant that every show is different which incidentally in my opinion is one of the strengths of the industry and why so many people attend all of the various shows and not just one. I know how hard CCBill has been working on the Phoenix Forum and I know personally how hard it is to put a trade show together... so the last thing I want to do is be the cause of any bad feelings at the marketing seminar. My interests here are for the Phoenix Forum to be the best it possibly can be. I feel at this point it's probably best for me to recuse myself as moderator of the marketing panel. Thanks to CCBill for providing me with the opportunity in the first place and I have no doubt they will find a great replacement moderator. So hopefully we've cleared this up now, and everyone can just concentrate on having a good time in Phoenix. See you all at the show. __________________ YNOT.com - The original industry resource email jay at ynot dot com or skype LAJConsulting