Originally Posted by Zango Cash Email

The campaign was run by AdultFriendFinder Media. Will76 witnessed his cookie being overwritten by a cookie placed by the ad.........
There is no reason to believe that AdultFriendFinder had malicious intent; it has a long history of being proactive and protecting the interests of its affiliates. In fact, when the potential conflict was brought to the attention of AdultFriendFinder and Zango (at about the same time), AdultFriendFinder stopped the campaigns in question and reconfigured them to avoid the potential of having a cookie overwritten or a home page targeted. In short, much ado about very little.

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

AdultFriendFinder from time to time as a small part of its advertising budget places ad buys with companies which some people might call ?adware"......
One of the motivating factors in AdultFriendFinder placing such adware ads is to effectively compete in the online dating marketplace - namely if AdultFriendFinder does not place such ads our competitors will make deals with the adware companies to place such ads to our detriment........
This scenario certainly makes us uncomfortable and creates a catch-22 for us ? if we stop buying the contextual adware ads our competitors? sites will pop up and we may lose sales and if we keep buying adware ads we may find from time to time our ads will pop up near our affiliate?s ads for our sites.

....this notion of the adware ad ?collisions? that has recently been raised does make us feel somewhat uncomfortable ? in other words we find ourselves sympathetic with those who have not been happy with this bizarre result.

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

I would not say support I would more say forced into read this (sex search targeting AFF using zango)

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

a timed pop up has the same effect as adware pops. but was common practice among most if not all large paysite companies for years. where was will then ?

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

Buying pop up ads.

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

I disagree just like any pop up the surfer can choose to ignore the pop up and continue on surfing where he was at. And if the surfer really does not want any more pop ups they simply uninstall the adware and the pops ups are gone.

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

We do not pop the same site over the same site, and we use URL Tracking not cookies to determine who gets the sale. Affialites are getting proper credit for all sales. And I might add are quite happy with the huge checks we send out, and will be even happier this month when we up the pay even more.

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

no we are talking about less than 1/2 of 1 % and then the user can close the pop up if they dont like and continue surfing what they were doing.

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

as was shown if we do not pop cams then sexsearch buys the pop. If sexsearch buys the pop then our affilaites lose becuase we lose money. If we make money off of a cams pop then that money is filtered back into the payouts in the form of bonuses and higher percent and affilaites in the end make more money. If we let sexsearch buy the popup then we would have to reduce payouts as we would be less competative, and our affilaites would make less money. So do our affilaites want us to buy the pops or do tehy want sexsearch or 10 others buy the pop ? I say affilaites would rather us buy it.

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

Oh and we are talking about one half of 1% of traffic. As long as I raise payouts more than one half of 1 % then the affialite is making more money overall. Oh and look I raise payouts all the time.
So the end result is Our affilaites are making more money than anyone else and you cant stand it.

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

we dont steal anything from anyone, but we do pay more than anyone else for traffic and so thats why the traffic all comes to us ! You can hate all you want but money talks and hate walks.

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

We are not stealing anything from anyone. I think you have been turned into a sheep.

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

The level of sheep and heard mentality on this board is AMAZING!

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

for years and we are aliing about 1/2 of 1% so a drastic decline in conversions or signups has nothign to do with adware.

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

Yeah like 3-4 people asked me about it, once I explained the issues they were all like oh ok I get it now. Mostly there has been a lot of bullshit being slung around here.

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

The surfer has downloaded and accepted to get ads for use of software, you and I might think why would someone do that, I would not do that. Well I would not buy porn on the internet but I sure am glad somebody does.

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

Will is pimping up his board presence, so he can be a bigshot, plain and simple his attacks on me and my company have gone above and beyond anything reasonable, and that was pointed out to me by a lot of people at teh trade show.

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

I am beginning to think that will does not make the kind of , money he spouts off about. I think he is full of it as part of his self promotions, he pumped himself up big and that as cams.com continues to whip the shit outta ifriends. He just can not take it that we are kicking ifriends ass and so he is pissed off.

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

I never called affiliates sheep I said that people who just jump onto whatever is said on gfy withought finding out facts is a sheep, if people do their homework install zango and then find that its still a problem for them then I am happy to listen to them..

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

With all the promotion of Zango over the last few months so many new affiliates and ad buyers have signed on to promote and buy ads from Zango, they have driven the price of traffic up so much that it is no longer profitable for us to continue buying ads from Zango.

Originally Posted by will76

Lars says we were " promoting" zango as to imply we were the ones doing damage here but yet they were the ones buying the traffic and fucking people, but they make no reference to them doing anything wrong. No apologies. No nothing. Kinda sounds like AFF was a victim here. Poor AFF was making money from stolen traffic but because of the " promotion" here their deal become unprofitable. Awe, that's too bad.

If you really believe a lot of people signed up to " promote " zango, then you people really are sheep. Educating affiliates of the harms of Zango is like letting people know that the burgers at some fast food restaurant is contaminated with mad cow. The only people that would promote zango installs are either complete morons who do not promote any other affiliate programs, or people who already do installs. If Lars really believes that " so many affiliates have signed on to promote Zango" from the promotions here maybe he could name a few. Can any of you just name a few, and I am not talking about idiots like Frank or Dork Jedi who just trying to get attention. Prove me wrong, point out all these people, because obviously for you to make a statement like that you must have some evidence, surely you wouldnt be lying or guessing. Even if a few did, there was a good bit of people who were doing zango installs that had no idea how they worked and have stopped because of the " promotions " here. I can guarantee you more good than harm was done from the Zango installing side, don't let Lars try to spin this and try to make others look bad so he can try to make himself look better. Don't forget this is the guy who said " sex search made him do it, and it's only a pop up".

The second part is correct. Apparently a lot of people didn't know they could by traffic from Zango and because of the " promotions " here ran up the ad prices. That was a side effect of educating people. Either you say nothing, and uneducated webmasters do zango installs, or you educate people and help reduce the number of installs. If you say nothing, than the installs only get worse. The installs are the things that really hurt us. If some shady fuckers heard the message and went and bought zango traffic, what can you do.... 1. Now they are exposing themselves and everyone can block them and treat them the same way AFF was treated. 2. They are running up the cost of the traffic, fine, I am glad AFF and others had to pay more for the traffic they are STEALING from me. It's my traffic, it at least makes me feel a little better you are profiting less and less off of MY traffic. Unfortunetly Zango makes more, but maybe the FTC fines will be bigger next time, and soon or later they will be sued, so hopefully they will lose that money one way or another. There is no win win situation here. If you speak up, some shady people will buy traffic, if you don't speak up no one knows about the problem and more people do installs...... Don;t let sheep hearders try to tell you that we caused the problem.... if you have two braincells and comprehend what i posted here, you will be able to see through the bull shit.

So If you read what Lars posted in this thread you see he is trying to blame the people here for " promoting " zango. To say they stopped because we weren't making money is just shitty. You think they would just lie and say we decided to do the right thing. Hey Lars, looks like our " promotion" made your profitable zango do not so profitable. Glad to know we cost you money, just like you been costing us money.

I am not an affiliate of AFF, so I don't give a fuck if AFF stopped using zango 3 months ago on their own urls that have aff ids. What about the rest of us? What about all the clickcash affiliates, fling, dating gold, iwantu, etc... affiliates. You still targeted those sites and hijaked sales from those affiliates. Your reply to this in the past has been " I am trying to protect our affiliates". Which is bullshit. 1. How do you protect your own affilaites by stealing my ifriends traffic and sending it to AFF? 2. Do you realize that a lot of people that promote AFF also promote these other affiliate programs as well. SO most people aren't just YOUR affiliates.

I guess Sex Search made them do it, and Will76 and GFY posters made AFF stop. Funny how a company that makes 100+ million a year gets pushed around so easily.

Someone pisses on you for a year, runs out of piss, and tries to blame the beer for the reason they pissed on you, and then expects you to dry off and forget. Whatever. Promote AFF if you want, use zango if you want, but at least fucking use your brain and don't buy the shit they spew. If you are only concerned with money and dont care how you make it or who you associate with thats your call, but at least be aware of what you doing.

The other funny thing with this " it is not profitable for us now " bull shit. Aparently Lars was lieing a few months back when he said he lost money using zango. SO if you were losing money 5 moths ago, why not stop then? I am sure someone can dig up the threads where that was posted. Lets say we believe you now, and it just became un profitable now, and you were lieing then and making money from it back then... ok, so you say you stopped targeting your own affiliates 3 months ago, and now you say it is not profitable. Looks like when you stopped taking your affiliates sales you started making less money... how nice.

Originally Posted by OzMan

you forgot to thank him for dropping zango

Originally Posted by OzMan

you forgot to thank him for dropping zango

Originally Posted by Kard63

We still like cams better than ifriends.

Originally Posted by OzMan

Will I know you have good intentions but you are losing focus. Where do you go from here?

Would you rather AFF use Zango or not? Sure you don't like the reasons why they started or stopped but aren't you at least glad that they stopped?

.

Originally Posted by will76

...$5 (epass) to anyone for each site they find that is promoting zango installs. Post the url here and I will pay you for finding it. I am curious which sites promote zango cash.

Originally Posted by OzMan

Also, while we are on the subject of acceptable reasons for starting or stopping zango let's look at Clickcash / Al Hadhazy (Praise be his name)

According to you they canned some rogue affiliates for using zango four months ago because of their deep concern for the welfare of all mankind.

However the evidence points to them doing it directly for years judging by the email they sent and by the zango account names I saw. I assume it was profitable for them until they dropped it as you said they didn't drop zango because one lil' affiliate like you asked them to.

Did they actually drop zango for (shudder) financial reasons or something even worse if possible?

We will never know as they don't lower themselves to being responsive to open criticism on boards, again as I said above, in the same manner as all the sponsors who currently still support zango.

Originally Posted by Daruma

I'd put $ on a bet that AFF will eventually go back to Zango

Originally Posted by OzMan

I'm not trying to hurt you Will and for someone who it doesn't bother, you sure seem to get your feathers ruffled whenever I mention Clickcash. If you were truly concerned with stopping zango you would want everything out in the open.

Thanks to you most people who glance over these threads probably think AFF is the only sponsor who used zango and now the problem is solved.

Who cares what is "fair" or not? I can post what I like as can you. You have painted AFF out to be the devil and I think it is very relevant here to point out that your main sponsor is not only not beyond reproach but also indeed had their hand in their affiliates cookie jar so to speak. To what extent we will never know.

Use the search to find the exact info, basically the email was from Stacy I believe to an affiliate when asked about a zango campaign they did from a couple years ago. She stated words to the effect of "we only did it once and we didn't inhale"..that they tried zango briefly but didn't like the results (not profitable?) and would never do that kind of thing again.

Fast forward two years and according to you they were currently using zango. According to you it was indirectly via rogue affiliates but I don't buy that idea as I stated originally given clickcash account names like "180SOLUTIONS" which don't exactly fly under the radar.

So apparently Clickcash was lying? No say it isn't so.

You said you would drop Clickcash if they were supporting zango. You didn't keep that promise by saying their involvement was temporary and indirect (again which I dispute) and therefore didn't count.

Anyway moving forward. You have now decided to go after zango installs rather than targeting other companies using zango. What happened to the "take out the biggest sponsor and the others will fall" plan? All your time and effort to continually point out AFF using zango and when they stop you would rather bitch about why they stopped rather than moving on to Sexsearch or whoever is popping over you now.

Instead you want to now go after installs which will do nothing to stop those installs already in place. You are moving further and further away from the source and might as well go after joe surfer one by one with zango uninstall info.

So have you noticed any increase in income since AFF dropped zango or is it too soon to tell? ...and who is popping over your sites now?

Originally Posted by Daruma

my non-sig sig spot

I'd put $ on a bet that AFF will eventually go back to Zango

Originally Posted by OzMan

Thanks to you most people who glance over these threads probably think AFF is the only sponsor who used zango and now the problem is solved.

Originally Posted by OzMan

You have painted AFF out to be the devil .

Originally Posted by OzMan

Use the search to find the exact info, basically ....according to you .....So apparently....

Originally Posted by Jon Clark

Damn dude... You just don't quit

Originally Posted by DamageX

Neither do you, but at least his posts make sense.

Originally Posted by OzMan

Would you rather AFF use Zango or not? Sure you don't like the reasons why they started or stopped but aren't you at least glad that they stopped?

Originally Posted by OzMan

Would you rather AFF use Zango or not? Sure you don't like the reasons why they started or stopped but aren't you at least glad that they stopped?

Originally Posted by Mr.Sexbankroll

Why don't you make him more money?

R

Originally Posted by Quickdraw

What is Sexbankroll's budget for Zango and similar scumware? How much traffic are you stealing from webmasters on this board using scumware like Zango?
You stated on another board that SBR doesn't use Zango and the like, and even said you cancelled the account from sbrjmp.com(an SBR domain even, lol), yet, that account still seems to function just fine..
sbrjmp.com/m2/15.html

How come you never went back to that thread after more questions were asked?

Originally Posted by Jon Clark

That is like calling pot calling the kettle black

Originally Posted by Mr.Sexbankroll

Why don't you make him more money?

R

Originally Posted by will76

Post the info and I can give you a more accurate reply, but from my conversations with clickcash, they weren't aware of zango and no one had complained to them about affiliates using zango traffic. They had never used zango themselves. When i told them about it they investigated it for weeks, and when they were satisfied with their investigation (from a programming, legal, and TOS) standpoint, they took action.
...

Originally Posted by Quickdraw

Just thought I would mention that I talked with a sponsor yesterday about the use of Zango on their sites.

One of the affiliate accounts using Zango on this sponsor was 180solutions(metricsdirect) themselves. There are supposed to be lawyers involved now, so I guess I can't say anymore.

But for anyone to believe that 180 Solutions/Zango/Seekmo/Metricsdirect/Hotbar would be above using their own software to steal traffic seems a little silly.