Dirty F

Can i come over for a 20 dollar blowjob or does that include fucking as well? I dont mind paying 10 bucks more for fucking though. You can put it on your site and maybe my black cock in your ugly whore hole will actually get you some members.

JaneB

Ahh someone grumpy and needs a nap? You may scare some people on here, but you don't scare me. I could give a fuck less what you think. You are just a sad loser who thinks they are a big man on a website.

Kevsh

You can discuss stats all day long but this on it's own does not prove a correlation between right-to-carry and crime rates. For stats like this to mean anything you have to look at the whole picture: What are the poverty rates, laws and social conditions in those states? What about stats in the urban centers in these stats (i.e. if a high % live in rural areas vs. cities).

Anyhow, as someone who is definitely anti-gun I recognize that with the current laws there is no answer. If you allow people to own guns then things like this will happen, period, regardless of right-to-carry or not. You put guns in the hands of citizens and some will misuse them (an understatement).

Having said that, I believe it's one or the other: No guns for anyone or let everyone carry them. Would this have happened if the shooter knew that some students may be carrying guns on campus? No one will ever know. But at least if people can be armed, this may have ended a lot sooner.

Thankfully, I live in a country where we've never had to debate this. We have no first amendment so the number of guns in people's hands is very small and that makes everyone safer.

baddog

You obviously watch (and believe) too much TV.

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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Congrats on that.

BlackCrayon

Something no one seems to be able to really address is why americans kill each other with guns more than any other first world nation? I'm not saying gun laws are to blame but I've always wondered, what is? Some will metion history as a part of the reason but that really makes no sense. You fought for independence so now you kill each other?

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IllTestYourGirls

32 crazy make that 33 crazy!

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Dirty F

Baddog, you shitstain, didnt i tell you to shut the fuck up you ingnorant low life hick.

_Richard_

that's funny.. but i can point to forums regarding "the rage against the machine" that was shut down due to anti-american rhetoric.. is that not included in the words "freedom of speech"?

flashfire

terrible....I just recently found out about this

baddog

You look just like your mom and dad. Cute couple.

baddog

So you say.

Star 69

Crazy stuff

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bizarrejan

oh cmon, seems to me, like certain humans cant get along and its sad, but it is the same all over the world, that everyone is for number 1 (themselves) it is an unfortunate of the world we now live in,

nico-t

crazy shit....

Webby

Sure is - and the level of dialog on this thread demonstrates how much the perps of gun crimes deserve to be in bed with the brain dead.

Stupidity and denial know no levels...

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JaneB

That is a good question. A lot of killings are of spouses killing each other or their whole families. That has been happening a lot here the last few years. Killings during robberies. There are a lot of reasons people give for killing someone, but none of them are right. Honestly there are no good answers to that question. Just a lot of crazy people killing others.

Loryn

Best quote of the year so far!

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Webby

No good answer??? Duh?

How about it's because the public have weapons and they kill each other???

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JaneB

They were asking why people kill each other. Not everyone with a gun has killed someone. Only certain people do, so what causes them to kill? That was the question. Duh!!

scardog

A lot of our gun crime is due to gang violence. Our culture is a gun culture, and it was with guns we won our independence. If you took out the gang violence, police shootings, and suicides, our gun deaths drop dramatically. One of statements anti-gunners make is that you are more likely to shoot someone you know with your gun. This is a little statistical trick they use, by including gang shootings. Since you are in a gang, you know the gang you are shooting against.

http://www.cato.org/dailys/05-13-00.html

Got this little nugget from the CATO institue.
States that allow registered citizens to carry concealed weapons have lower crime rates than those that don't.

True. The 31 states that have "shall issue" laws allowing private citizens to carry concealed weapons have, on average, a 24 percent lower violent crime rate, a 19 percent lower murder rate and a 39 percent lower robbery rate than states that forbid concealed weapons. In fact, the nine states with the lowest violent crime rates are all right-to-carry states. Remarkably, guns are used for self-defense more than 2 million times a year, three to five times the estimated number of violent crimes committed with guns.

manilaheat

I agree with that. Here in Texas, people think twice about commiting crime when so many people carry guns.

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sniperwolf

damn gunman is just so crazy!!very sad to those who were killed...

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Webby

No.. the question was "Something no one seems to be able to really address is why americans kill each other with guns more than any other first world nation?"

The answer to that is simple - the public have access to weapons.

The reasons for killing apply to any member of the public - no person on this planet is assured of being balanced and sane in their lifetime - and they may be carrying a weapon. What you expect but totally stupid gun offense rates which exceed all other nations??

The US has a gun culture, some folks are responsible tho nobody can tell if they will not misuse weapons - that's a risk. Others are insane to start with and have varying reasons for holding a weapon - including idiots with a personality deficiency who proudly display heavy weapons to increase their dick size (they usually talk about being "gun experts" and how good they are with weapons). It's a sick society.

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Webby

They do?? Don't think govt officers in Texas would agree with you.

Can think of one such person who has had.. think five shootings - so far, plus a number of other physical assaults with weapons and still has a tumor on the inner skull.

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AmateurFlix

http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/artic...ime-swiss.html

Webby you're not the dumbest person on this board, but you are consistently the most ignorant.

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Webby

Don't even have to look at your link... agree, Swiss have more weapons - possible differences are that was a culture thing for centuries - and they are trained.

Back to the subject...

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Webby

AmateurFlix:

PS.. Give you a simple example - and at an elementary level. LE don't like attending even domestic disputes. Why? Because they know they are looking at one of more stupid people, often in a fit of temper - and they also know these people can be in possession of one or more weapons. Nice!!

PS That is in no way comparable to any other nation - including Switzerland.

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stickyfingerz

He doesnt scare anyone. lol

stickyfingerz

You mean why is it reported more here than anywhere else? lol

Webby

You actually got anything to contribute Sticky or are you just on the silly defensive mode again?

Reality is... no country on earth has had four major school "shootouts" in the last few decades - not forgetting the numerous other school shootings.

That's why it is the subject of dialog - you got it??

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Splum

Webby is nothing but a mindless anti-American idiot. Any chance he gets to degrade Americans or American culture he pounces on it.

AmateurFlix

Since you've already pointed out that the US has a gun cultrure, that's a moot point. Which only leaves your mention of training, something I agree with. Every able bodied individual should be taught to handle a firearm properly at a responsible age.

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BlackCrayon

So you're saying other first world nations don't report gun murders? ok then.

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Webby

Yea.. hate everything Splum - especially mindless ignorant retards like you

Don't dream that you even remotely represent either your fellow countrymen or your country (which you seem to have a fetish about) - you are an embarrassment to any nation. Others, fortunately are more sane.

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Webby

There is no doubt whatsoever that the US has a gun culture AF - any basis for rejecting that concept? (Especially when there are, least at last check, gun offenses at a rate matching the rest of the world combined?)

Agree man.. training is fine, but that seems to fall apart when a broad spectrum of folks have access to a weapon. It's not so much the training then, but more re their state of mind. We can't guarantee everyone will remain balanced and sane - and if they have been trained, that can cause more problems in victim deaths and also to law enforcement.

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stickyfingerz

Why does 1st world or 3rd world make a difference again?

Btw by "report" I meant the Media....

Webby

Another valuable contribution Sticky?

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AmateurFlix

LE probably don't like responding to domestic disputes - or disputes of any kind - anywhere. They do so anyway because that is what they are paid for.

Fortunately this country does not live in a police state and we do not craft our laws based on the desires of policemen, but for more rational reasons.

Now as to how this relates to this thread... as a guess I'd say the majority of domestic violence does not involve firearms, and of those that do, if firearms were unavailable some other weapon would be substituted. Making your example pointless.

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Are you back in Costa now, or Globe trotting in first class seats again?

BlackCrayon

Well I'm sure thats true but what other countries have a higher number per capita of gun deaths? And the difference it makes is often crimes go ignored in third world countries, more poverty and less policing.

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AmateurFlix

Had but one of those people on campus been armed (such as my example of Switzerland) we might be reading about a gunman who shot one individual before being gunned down by another, rather than reading about 30+ senseless deaths. Or perhaps he never would have even tried it, knowing he likely would have been struck down immediately.

Law enforcement can't be everywhere and usually responds too late to be of any use at all in incidents such as these. The first and best line of defense if not creating a culture of potential victims for aberrations such as this gunman to take advantage of so easily.

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Webby

Can't agree

Example.. know some folks in the US who started their "careers" carrying out judges orders. An substantial amount of these orders were "domestic" and removing wives from their homes - to get away from abusive partners. (They had applied to the court and wanted to be escorted out of their homes - but prob did not tell their husbands)...

That was a "risky" biz, simply because the immediate reaction of a husband was inclined to be violent/physical and a fair chance they may have a weapon. There is no comparison to most other weapons - the couple of people I know are more than able to defend themselves. It was not a kitchen knife they were bothering about - more a hostage scenario with a weapon.

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Webby

Sure.. it's a possibility. Tho if everyone on campus were carrying weapons... hell, we got the Texas Chainsaw Massacre every weekend

Agree.. LE can't be everywhere... and, again, the instance of today's killings is unusual tho not uncommon - it could happen anywhere. The difference is it is not common in other countries - the answer seems kinda obvious...

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AmateurFlix

I'm confident that statistics would show otherwise. Even in my own community I can only recall a handfull of reported shootings in recent years during domestic violence situations, but many more incidents of beatings, stabbings, being attacked with screwdrivers, hammers, etc. In those type of situations people seem to typically just pick up whatever object is nearby and use it as a weapon, not have the forethought to find, load, and prepare a firearm. Which isn't to say that if a loaded gun is sitting in the room they wouldn't use it, but that's simply not a typical situation.

Your friend's perception of the situation is probably more a result of their own fears that kept them safe rather than statistical facts. Even people prone to violent outbursts rarely actually utilize a weapon during some type of episode, though others may fear they will. And given that particular situation, women frequently make things out to be far worse than they actually are in hopes of winning sympathy during divorce proceedings...

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People will die as long there are weapon, drug -and oil industry.

AmateurFlix

I don't have such a dim view of humanity

BTW I'm not suggesting that everyone should be carrying firearms with them at all times - especially not in college dorm rooms that might be host to a frat party - however if even a measly 1 or 2% of the population would take advantage of concealed carry laws, this morning's incident would likely have concluded much earlier than it did.

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Webby

Stats? Na.. stats are known on this and keep repeating themselves every year. Can't remember (tho they are published on the net) - the gun crime rate exceeds all of the EU, UK, Japan plus a few other regions. Would need to check, but around 11,000 in the US and nothing like that in these regions combined.

Agree... most "normal people" don't shoot others :-) But that can change in a flick of an eye for whatever reason. Today is prob an average example.. who knows (we never will), but someone decided on a mass killing - not a "one off" - and over a couple of hours. Often "normal folks" will be shocked and cool down when they kill - this person did not. When the perp has been trained - hell - that's a nightmare, not only for cops but for others around him.

On the "domestics" - most were smooth going and no biggie. (They were not some neurotic wife, but established facts presented to a judge who then issued an order for protection - can't remember em all, but some were serious shit).

The flip side to that is prob a continuation of "careers" as govt officers where the weapons where in the hands of criminals - and they often had more sophisticated weapons than law enforcement (drugs related and unlimited budgets for weapons). It's hard to give an answer for that - maybe a case where the horse has already bolted from the stable and it becomes a war in protecting the public, who, in turn, buy a weapon to make them feel safer. It's a vicious circle.

One thing you mentioned - other weapons, sure, these are a danger with real criminals, but LE have more chance with them (it's broken jaw and collarbone time *s*) - the most fatalities seem to come from guns. Can think of one person who lost two partners to gun shootings, tho she has been stabbed multiple occasions, shot, raped and beaten over the head with a baseball thingy - so it's not all guns, but fatalities seem to be gun related.

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Webby

I'd like to think otherwise, but seem to just hear about the bad news :-) To be honest, sure, know folks in the US who have guns around and they have never been a problem to anyone in their lives.

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yota71

The answer is greed and selfishness; forget the guns, bombs, fuckin arrows spears or whatever.
They are just the means of execution. The difference in the US is Greed and the struggle to achieve wealth. Look at the root of the problem and not the resources or catalyst.

Get a group of starving chimps and put them in an empty room.

Now hang a bunch of bananas from the ceiling.
Now just for kicks put a knife in the room. Any guess how long it would take the chimps to figure out how to kill each other for the food.

We created this horror film. NOW HOW DO WE FIX IT?
The US is never going to reverse the gun laws there is too much money in it.
So people need to constructively think of an alternative method.

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