Wirecard - finally an alternative to epassporte?? - GoFuckYourself.com

OneWhoKnows · 04-19-2007, 09:24 AM

Hey everyone!

Just stumbled upon this website through some banner advertising: Wirecard

Does anyone know them? Could they finally be a real alternative to ePassporte? They seem to work exactly alike, just that they use a Virtual and Plastic Mastercard instead of Visa. Do they even accept adult related transactions? Anywayz, at least I think their site looks interesting, and as they are located in Europe (Germany) it also looks like you can fund your account through European bank accounts. Not too bad, I'd say!

PS: If this is already OLD and I'm just far behind once again, don't slap me too hard please

CaptainHowdy · 04-19-2007, 09:27 AM

I'm still holding to my Epass...

OneWhoKnows · 04-20-2007, 02:00 AM

Bump... No one knows them?

TeenCat · 04-20-2007, 02:06 AM

epassporte go go! why to give my money to something not proven and to something what havent rep here

BoardiesBitch · 04-20-2007, 02:19 AM

Wirecard is the largest payment system in the online casino industry
I even think they are a public company on the german stock exchange... have to verify this though as i may be mixing with another one
but im 90% sure...

BoardiesBitch · 04-20-2007, 02:21 AM

yeah im right :
Wirecard Bank AG is a bank headquartered in Germany. It is regulated by the German Financial Supervisory Authority (BaFin).
Wirecard Bank AG is furthermore a member of the credit card associations MasterCard, VISA, and JCB and is licensed to issue credit cards.
Wirecard Bank AG is a subsidiary of Wirecard AG ? one of the worldwide leading providers of payment services and risk management solutions. Wirecard AG is listed in the TecDax of the German stock exchange in Frankfurt (ISIN DE0007472060, IGP).

BoardiesBitch · 04-20-2007, 02:22 AM

in other words, they are way bigger than epassporte...

sexxxydesign.com · 04-20-2007, 02:23 AM

mnn checking now ! I need more and more plastic things

dig0 · 04-20-2007, 02:25 AM

They are indeed way bigger than Epass, couple of friends use them, though I never tried..

Webby · 04-20-2007, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BoardiesBitch

yeah im right :
Wirecard Bank AG is a bank headquartered in Germany. It is regulated by the German Financial Supervisory Authority (BaFin).
Wirecard Bank AG is furthermore a member of the credit card associations MasterCard, VISA, and JCB and is licensed to issue credit cards.
Wirecard Bank AG is a subsidiary of Wirecard AG ? one of the worldwide leading providers of payment services and risk management solutions. Wirecard AG is listed in the TecDax of the German stock exchange in Frankfurt (ISIN DE0007472060, IGP).

Ah... excellent!! Beats epass hands down!

Never bothered with ePassporte - and pleased to avoid em, but this mob stand a chance.

sexxxydesign.com · 04-20-2007, 02:31 AM

they wont handle any actual plastic

just virtual

VicD · 04-20-2007, 02:52 AM

gonna check it out

Chio · 04-20-2007, 02:55 AM

WireCard is solid.

Marshal · 04-20-2007, 03:25 AM

Check out their fees:

Annual charge for MasterCard classic
24,90 EUR - $ 34,90 -
Charge for card sending
5,00 EUR - $ 6,50 -
Replace or renew card
10,00 EUR - $ 15,00 -
ATM cash withdrawal
Variable 2,00 % - 2,00 % -
Minimum Charge 4,50 EUR - $ 6,00 -

Now I think they do handle plastic...

Marshal · 04-20-2007, 03:29 AM

https://www.wirecard.com/wirecard/ShowFees.html

Correct me if I'm wrong...

sexxxydesign.com · 04-20-2007, 03:34 AM

they do? does anybody have one? How does it look?

bigalownz · 04-20-2007, 03:35 AM

I know there is a few another prepayed visa card companies

like

http://www.nzpost.co.nz/Cultures/en-...al/PrezzyCard/

OneWhoKnows · 04-20-2007, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BoardiesBitch

yeah im right :
Wirecard Bank AG is a bank headquartered in Germany. It is regulated by the German Financial Supervisory Authority (BaFin).
Wirecard Bank AG is furthermore a member of the credit card associations MasterCard, VISA, and JCB and is licensed to issue credit cards.
Wirecard Bank AG is a subsidiary of Wirecard AG – one of the worldwide leading providers of payment services and risk management solutions. Wirecard AG is listed in the TecDax of the German stock exchange in Frankfurt (ISIN DE0007472060, IGP).

Thanks a lot for the info BoardiesBitch. I now saw this in their FAQ:

"Please note that the use of the Wirecard logo and the respective marketing materials on websites that contain adult, gambling or betting-related offers is strictly prohibited."

So, they obviously don't like adult that much. Of course when they forbid to place their logo on porn sites this doesn't necessarily mean they don't allow adult related transactions at all, but the chance is pretty high

What I also found out... They are the same company as "access4you.de" who did the billing for those shady Russian v*****z.info sites, if anyone remembers them. I bet their stockholders and the BaFin would like to know that

LiveDose · 04-20-2007, 11:10 AM

The German government has sent out letters to some adult webmasters threatening legal action against them. I would be very weary of running my adult cash through that country.

OneWhoKnows · 04-20-2007, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by LiveDose

The German government has sent out letters to some adult webmasters threatening legal action against them. I would be very weary of running my adult cash through that country.

You mean to NON-GERMAN adult webmasters? WTF???

pornguy · 04-20-2007, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nettrust

Check out their fees:

Annual charge for MasterCard classic
24,90 EUR - $ 34,90 -
Charge for card sending
5,00 EUR - $ 6,50 -
Replace or renew card
10,00 EUR - $ 15,00 -
ATM cash withdrawal
Variable 2,00 % - 2,00 % -
Minimum Charge 4,50 EUR - $ 6,00 -

Now I think they do handle plastic...

Thats expensive as fuck.

Sebastian Sands · 04-20-2007, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiveDose

The German government has sent out letters to some adult webmasters threatening legal action against them. I would be very weary of running my adult cash through that country.

What kind of letters and what kind of action?

Germany is by FAR way more liberal then the US. Unless said webmasters were doing something WAY out of line, I doubt an adult webmaster will get in trouble in Germany.

Just my 2 cents

Sebs

Konda · 04-20-2007, 11:27 AM

I don't think they like adult much. In the past they did lots of adult merchant accounts, but they stopped doing it a few years ago (Ibill also did some business through them in the past).

OneWhoKnows · 04-20-2007, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Sebastian Sands

What kind of letters and what kind of action?

Germany is by FAR way more liberal then the US. Unless said webmasters were doing something WAY out of line, I doubt an adult webmaster will get in trouble in Germany.

Just my 2 cents

Sebs

No, distributing porn online (or through mail) is forbidden in Germany, unless you follow some very strict rules for a "closed user group" (meaning AVS with face-2-face check). At least for sites in German/for the German market that are hosted in Germany.

At least that's what I heard.

Konda · 04-20-2007, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by LiveDose

The German government has sent out letters to some adult webmasters threatening legal action against them. I would be very weary of running my adult cash through that country.

Same here. We used to get letters from some German children protection orginazation telling us to add warning pages to our sites or close the site from German vistors or they would take legal action !?!?

OneWhoKnows · 04-20-2007, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Konda

Same here. We used to get letters from some German children protection orginazation telling us to add warning pages to our sites or close the site from German vistors or they would take legal action !?!?

Wow, that's fucked! I mean can they do something like this? You're supposed to follow your countries' law, not German law, right?

Konda · 04-20-2007, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by OneWhoKnows

Wow, that's fucked! I mean can they do something like this? You're supposed to follow your countries' law, not German law, right?

I am not sure if they can do anything about it. Maybe arest you if you ever visit their country? Like the US has arested non-us citizens that run gambling sites when they enter the US.

LiveDose · 04-20-2007, 11:35 AM

It's just a prime example of how ignorant government is about the internet. Kind of funny actually...

OneWhoKnows · 04-20-2007, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Konda

I am not sure if they can do anything about it. Maybe arest you if you ever visit their country? Like the US has arested non-us citizens that run gambling sites when they enter the US.

Interesting point. A friend of mine who has done a few videos and selling them through HotMovies told me one morning the FBI was knocking on his door, asking to see the 2257USC documents. And he lives in Denmark!!!!!! I mean - do I have to follow the law of every damn country that has internet now???

Star 69 · 04-20-2007, 11:45 AM

Never hear about them. Checking right now. And what about www.ikobo.com

Star 69 · 04-20-2007, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by OneWhoKnows

Interesting point. A friend of mine who has done a few videos and selling them through HotMovies told me one morning the FBI was knocking on his door, asking to see the 2257USC documents. And he lives in Denmark!!!!!! I mean - do I have to follow the law of every damn country that has internet now???

Did FBI come to his home to denmark?

woj · 04-20-2007, 11:58 AM

Has potential, but until adult companies actually start using them, it's kinda useless...

OneWhoKnows · 04-20-2007, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Star 69

Did FBI come to his home to denmark?

Yep, they did

DamageX · 04-20-2007, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneWhoKnows

Interesting point. A friend of mine who has done a few videos and selling them through HotMovies told me one morning the FBI was knocking on his door, asking to see the 2257USC documents. And he lives in Denmark!!!!!! I mean - do I have to follow the law of every damn country that has internet now???

WTF? Were they accompanied by Danish police and had a court order? FBI has ZERO jurisdiction outside the US.

OneWhoKnows · 04-20-2007, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

WTF? Were they accompanied by Danish police and had a court order? FBI has ZERO jurisdiction outside the US.

That's why he told them to leave or he'd call the danish police

DamageX · 04-20-2007, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by OneWhoKnows

That's why he told them to leave or he'd call the danish police

darling2 · 04-20-2007, 12:40 PM

There is also the company all the russian affiliates use, Capital Collect.

They issue ATM cards and offer payment services like epass. They also have very tight security.

I will however keep using epass since it is the industry standard and is very convenient to use.

OneWhoKnows · 04-20-2007, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darling2

There is also the company all the russian affiliates use, Capital Collect.

They issue ATM cards and offer payment services like epass. They also have very tight security.

I will however keep using epass since it is the industry standard and is very convenient to use.

Well CapitalCollect and Fethard, which is even bigger. But extremely expensive aswell, at least the last time when I had a look at their fees.

And sure, ePass is the industry standard, but convenient to use? The Virtual Visa gets declined almost everywhere for me, and I also heard more and more complains about the Electron card being rejected these days.

Not to talk of all those security issues where money gets transferred to other epass accounts without knowledge of the account owner and all epass does about it is saying "oh, the money is already on the other account, we can't do anything". A refund, because their security obviously is from another century? Forget it! Not that I had such a problem myself so far, but reading so many threads at GFY from people who did experience this stuff really starts to harass me.

darling2 · 04-20-2007, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by OneWhoKnows

Well CapitalCollect and Fethard, which is even bigger. But extremely expensive aswell, at least the last time when I had a look at their fees.

And sure, ePass is the industry standard, but convenient to use? The Virtual Visa gets declined almost everywhere for me, and I also heard more and more complains about the Electron card being rejected these days.

Not to talk of all those security issues where money gets transferred to other epass accounts without knowledge of the account owner and all epass does about it is saying "oh, the money is already on the other account, we can't do anything". A refund, because their security obviously is from another century? Forget it! Not that I had such a problem myself so far, but reading so many threads at GFY from people who did experience this stuff really starts to harass me.

My epass card has never been declined, and I use it a lot. The virtual one is a bit more problematic. If only Epass would hand out a device like RSA Securid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SecurID then most of the problems with it would be history. All the banks I use already have such a device and it stops keyloggers right in their tracks.

OneWhoKnows · 04-20-2007, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by darling2

If only Epass would hand out a device like RSA Securid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SecurID then most of the problems with it would be history. All the banks I use already have such a device and it stops keyloggers right in their tracks.

Exactly! I'd love to see that aswell.

dready · 04-20-2007, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by darling2

My epass card has never been declined, and I use it a lot. The virtual one is a bit more problematic. If only Epass would hand out a device like RSA Securid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SecurID then most of the problems with it would be history. All the banks I use already have such a device and it stops keyloggers right in their tracks.

Paypal has it too.

04-19-2007, 09:24 AM	#1
OneWhoKnows Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: European Union Posts: 873	Wirecard - finally an alternative to epassporte?? Hey everyone! Just stumbled upon this website through some banner advertising: Wirecard Does anyone know them? Could they finally be a real alternative to ePassporte? They seem to work exactly alike, just that they use a Virtual and Plastic Mastercard instead of Visa. Do they even accept adult related transactions? Anywayz, at least I think their site looks interesting, and as they are located in Europe (Germany) it also looks like you can fund your account through European bank accounts. Not too bad, I'd say! PS: If this is already OLD and I'm just far behind once again, don't slap me too hard please

04-19-2007, 09:27 AM	#2
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OneWhoKnows Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: European Union Posts: 873	Bump... No one knows them?

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BoardiesBitch Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 861	Wirecard is the largest payment system in the online casino industry I even think they are a public company on the german stock exchange... have to verify this though as i may be mixing with another one but im 90% sure...

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BoardiesBitch Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 861	yeah im right : Wirecard Bank AG is a bank headquartered in Germany. It is regulated by the German Financial Supervisory Authority (BaFin). Wirecard Bank AG is furthermore a member of the credit card associations MasterCard, VISA, and JCB and is licensed to issue credit cards. Wirecard Bank AG is a subsidiary of Wirecard AG ? one of the worldwide leading providers of payment services and risk management solutions. Wirecard AG is listed in the TecDax of the German stock exchange in Frankfurt (ISIN DE0007472060, IGP).

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Konda ... Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,280	I don't think they like adult much. In the past they did lots of adult merchant accounts, but they stopped doing it a few years ago (Ibill also did some business through them in the past).

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darling2 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 345	There is also the company all the russian affiliates use, Capital Collect. They issue ATM cards and offer payment services like epass. They also have very tight security. I will however keep using epass since it is the industry standard and is very convenient to use.