Is Will76 for real? What is his real agenda?

[Phoenix]

here is a comment i made to him
"dude all you do is teach more people they can buy zango

i doubt they ever had a more targetted audience of people who would consider using their services then here. And you've spelt it out that you can make money with them. so now tons more people are using them.

IT is kind of a catch-22."

His response

"so what. how does more people buying traffic from zango hurt me? "


I thought our whole thing here Will76 was to get people to stop using Zango?

OR are you just on an AFF witch hunt?

you obviosuly have an agenda...why dont you take your bullshit tactics elsewhere.

[Tryme]

How is he on a AFF witch hunt? I don't see him saying Aff is using Zango?

[Gnus]

Well for one he taught me that sponsors are stealing from us and how they are doing it not just from AFF but SexSearch and others.

Gary

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Tryme

How is he on a AFF witch hunt? I don't see him saying Aff is using Zango?

its always going on about aff.

if he cared so much about how zango is bad..why doesnt he go after them?

he doesnt care if people use zango at all...as long as they stay away from him it seems

such high morals

[Wizzo]

Originally Posted by Tryme

How is he on a AFF witch hunt? I don't see him saying Aff is using Zango?

Really? maybe you've blocked out of your mind the dozens of threads that he directly says that...

[lbc213]

Its getting tedious seeing thread after thread about Zango. I had not even heard of them until I read wills threads here.

[Gnus]

Originally Posted by lbc213

Its getting tedious seeing thread after thread about Zango. I had not even heard of them until I read wills threads here.

I never either but glad he made me aware we was be stolen from and we need to take a stance not just webmasters but sponsors too and the boards webmasters visit to stop this activity.

Gary

[Quickdraw]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

its always going on about aff.

if he cared so much about how zango is bad..why doesnt he go after them?

he doesnt care if people use zango at all...as long as they stay away from him it seems

such high morals

You interjected your opinion in a thread about Sexbankroll, and now you are talking like that thread was about AFF.

[Quickdraw]

Originally Posted by Wizzo

Really? maybe you've blocked out of your mind the dozens of threads that he directly says that...

Not really since AFF came out and said that stealing traffic just wasn't profitable anymore.

[fris]

its getting boring

[Quickdraw]

Originally Posted by lbc213

Its getting tedious seeing thread after thread about Zango. I had not even heard of them until I read wills threads here.

You are right, need more 'hit it' threads not threads about who is stealing from you now.

Originally Posted by Fris

its getting boring

Maybe for you. Some folks thought your stance against AFF and torrent sites was getting old too.

[Gentle_Ben]

what a mysterious man

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by Fris

its getting boring

Getting??

[scottybuzz]

Originally Posted by Fris

its getting boring

true yeh, that theif who keeps coming in my house and nicking my money all the time is getting boring. ill just open the door to my ass in future.

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

dude all you do is teach more people they can buy zango

How do you figure? The ones buying the traffic are program owners who have been doing it since Zango came out...

[tony286]

maybe his agenda is to let webmasters they are getting fucked up the ass. Karma has its own rewards.

[mattz]

All the people that always bitch about Zango are the ones using it I bet. Except for in will76's case, I don't think he does. All the people that bitch about Sex Bank Roll and what not, I know some of them use Zango for a fact.


-MB

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

I thought our whole thing here Will76 was to get people to stop using Zango?

I don't think that was the goal at all.

The goal was to raise awareness about the issue and expose the largest/worst offenders.


And good sig views. :D

[Atticus]

I've had my differences with Will in the past but I cant believe the amount of shit he gets from this issue.

Here's a guy who points out that a company is stealing from webmasters and those very same webmasters call HIM out and tell him its "getting boring".

[»Rob Content«]

Anyone who has a fair amount of traffic should pay attention to Will's thread. He is exposing people stealing money from you, plain and simple.

Has nothing to do with a witch hunt, and everything to do with pointing out something that is wrong.

What these companies are doing is stealing traffic, nothing more then that. It's the same as shaving joins, it's taking money out of your pocket. Why would you not want to know who is doing this Phoenix?

[Pleasurepays]

this thread perfectly illustrates the self destructive nature and mentality of those in this business. this business has always been... and always will be its own worst enemy.

"hey man, this is a huge problem and you are losing tons of sales..."
"Oh Yeah? so... whats your REAL agenda here"
"you're boring"

a billion dollar industry ran by total fucking morons.

[BlackCrayon]

i have to agree with pleasurepays. i just don't get why so many webmasters are willing to roll over and take it up the ass again and again instead of trying to do something about it.

[wyldworx]

this post is for michael.

[lazycash]

Will has indirectly played a large part in effectively forcing some of the largest sponsors to stop stealing from their own affiliates. With the increased awareness to Zango, more webmasters tried it out, thus raising the cost per click dramatically. Sponsors that had been using the system to rob their own affililates for months with little to no competition on click bidding, suddenly had to pay triple for the same clicks and it became cost ineffective for them to continue.

The reason AFF became the brunt of Will's crusade is because they openly admitted to what they were doing and Lars' smug attitude just fueled the fire. Other sponsors chose to remain silent and just take their lumps while AFF became defiant and even called their own affiliates "sheep"

Since this industry isn't able to control Zango, the only alternative was to try and police those within our industry stealing from others. I'm sure ultimately the increased exposure added to Zango's revenue, but it also made it unprofitable for many to continue using their system to steal from others.

[Phoenix]

what was nitesurf exactly?

[OzMan]

I think Will's agenda was to make people more aware that malware hurts all of us. I think he achieved that goal.

I didn't agree with his method of singling out one sponsor and trading insults whether provoked or not but he went after the biggest and most vocal sponsor which was a natural choice for a target.

Indeed it was the only choice as all other sponsors who use zango who post on this board remained silent and continue to do so despite Will and others current efforts to to get them to respond.

Don't worry. Nobody cares about zango now that AFF dropped it so you won't see hardly any threads about it anymore as they drop so fast and you don't get too far in a discussion when only one person is speaking.

[he-fox]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

here is a comment i made to him
"dude all you do is teach more people they can buy zango

i doubt they ever had a more targetted audience of people who would consider using their services then here. And you've spelt it out that you can make money with them. so now tons more people are using them.

IT is kind of a catch-22."

His response

"so what. how does more people buying traffic from zango hurt me? "


I thought our whole thing here Will76 was to get people to stop using Zango?

OR are you just on an AFF witch hunt?

you obviosuly have an agenda...why dont you take your bullshit tactics elsewhere.

I wonder what's your agenda

[spiro11]

nitesurf?

[Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by Tryme

How is he on a AFF witch hunt? I don't see him saying Aff is using Zango?

[lazycash]

Originally Posted by he-fox

I wonder what's your agenda

I thought the exact same thing, since the original post seems about 8 months past due.

[TheJimmy]

congrats to all the winners

[TampaToker]

Originally Posted by he-fox

I wonder what's your agenda

lol im wondering the same thing

[DTK]

Outing people who are STEALING FROM US never gets old, or boring

[Gnus]

Originally Posted by he-fox

I wonder what's your agenda

I would like to know too. Plus I see you are a rep of some sort for Liondollars. I could be wrong about that. Here's another question. What's Liondollars stance on Zango? Do they support it? Sure seems like it to me.

Gary

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Gnus

I would like to know too. Plus I see you are a rep of some sort for Liondollars. I could be wrong about that. Here's another question. What's Liondollars stance on Zango? Do they support it? Sure seems like it to me.

Gary

Liondollars does not use Zango.

Like any program here, we made a choice, our choice was to stay away from it.
nothing more to be said.

The reason for this post was basically this: IF Will76 is so hard up for Zango
then why stop now?

He was hardup for it and horny 24/7 forever. Where is the champion of the people now?

[Gnus]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

The reason for this post was basically this: IF Will76 is so hard up for Zango
then why stop now?

Thanks for answering my question. Will hasn't stopped didn't you see the Sexbankroll thread. What that one doesn't count?

Gary

[SomeCreep]

From what I've gathered, nearly 100% of Will76's income is derived from Clickcash. Once Zango hit the scene and AFF started using them, his income declined so significantly, that his only recourse was a full out holy war against against Zango.

[TampaToker]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

Liondollars does not use Zango.

Like any program here, we made a choice, our choice was to stay away from it.
nothing more to be said.

The reason for this post was basically this: IF Will76 is so hard up for Zango
then why stop now?

He was hardup for it and horny 24/7 forever. Where is the champion of the people now?

What the hell do you expect? Aff admitted they were using zango AFTER will noticed when he loged into clickcash to check his stats AFF ads were poping up over clickcash. Needless to say they didnt post about it till AFTER will's threads

These other sponsors who are buying this traffic have kept there mouth shut and haven't said shit.

Phoenix dont know what you are trying to do here but you barkin up the wrong tree

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

this thread perfectly illustrates the self destructive nature and mentality of those in this business. this business has always been... and always will be its own worst enemy.

"hey man, this is a huge problem and you are losing tons of sales..."
"Oh Yeah? so... whats your REAL agenda here"
"you're boring"

a billion dollar industry ran by total fucking morons.

as always, bang on. u gotta understand that the vast majority of ass kissers on GFY are hanging onto their lifestyle by a thread these days and those that need to kiss the ass of those whose thread they are hanging on to now or those they might have to in the future will use any opportunity to kiss their asses.

[PornHero]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

this thread perfectly illustrates the self destructive nature and mentality of those in this business. this business has always been... and always will be its own worst enemy.

"hey man, this is a huge problem and you are losing tons of sales..."
"Oh Yeah? so... whats your REAL agenda here"
"you're boring"

a billion dollar industry ran by total fucking morons.

lol I couldnt agree more, and here's my view:

The real movers and shakers in this industry dont have time or the inclination to post on GFY.


PornHero

[chuvii]

will is a rock star of gfy

[Tryme]

will is my hero, and I am glad he brought this out to the open

[will76]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

here is a comment i made to him
"dude all you do is teach more people they can buy zango

i doubt they ever had a more targetted audience of people who would consider using their services then here. And you've spelt it out that you can make money with them. so now tons more people are using them.

IT is kind of a catch-22."

His response

"so what. how does more people buying traffic from zango hurt me? "


I thought our whole thing here Will76 was to get people to stop using Zango?

OR are you just on an AFF witch hunt?

you obviosuly have an agenda...why dont you take your bullshit tactics elsewhere.

Just incase you missed where i replied to you in the other thread:

Originally Posted by will76

My real agenda is to educate people, obviously I failed with you.

This is the LAST fucking time i explain this for someone. IF you or someone else misses this post (plus the last 20x I have posted this) then they can think what the fuck they want. Obviously you and others are not smart enough to understand it or don't know a fuck about what you talking about to know how it works.

2 parts to zango. 1. pays people to do installs (zangocash). 2. sells traffic to people (metrics direct).

I post here to educate people about zango, all aspects. When people are educated how zango works then they would have to be morons to promote them to make .40 install only to fuck themselves on all the other sponsors they are advertising on their own site. Some people were promoting zango and stopped because of this, some people reached out to sites that was promoting zango and go them to stop. I DOUBT anyone here started promoting zango installs after finding out how bad they were and other than idiots like dorkjedi and fake sig whores just looking for attention, i haven't heard of anyone. It would make no sense. Installs are by far the thing that causes us the most damage.

The more pcs infected = the more traffic stolen from me.
The more assholes buying traffic from zango DOES NOT = more traffic stolen from me.

The second part is the people who buy traffic. Zango was selling traffic for all the popular urls and keywords long before i started posting about it. They sell traffic by the popup, and people bid on the urls. By posting about Zango the only bad that has come out of all of this is that the cost per click has gone up because more people bidding on their services. (AFF perfect example.) SO some asshole pays .04 a popup for my sponsor's url (my traffic) where as before he was buying it for .01. The amount of popups the infected user is seeing is the SAME. Zango caps how many is allowed to happen over a period of time so more people buying traffic doesn't mean more popups, just means zango makes more per pop up. My traffic is still being stolen regardless. The other part is the assholes who read this and want to use zango, let them. They expose themselves and I am sure a lot of people will stop doing business with them or skip over them in the future.

GOOD from my posting here: Make all affiliates aware how zango works so they never promote them. Some people were promoting them and stopped because they had no idea how it worked. Some webmasters have made scripts that notify the surfer their pc is infected. The sponsors who use stolen traffic have been exposed.

Bad: zango makes more per click from assholes who want to buy traffic from them.

While I don't want Zango to make more money, them making more money hasn't hurt me or anyone else here. If more sponsors stop using them, we keep working on people doing the installs , and the FTC stays on their ass, then we have a shot.

I think the good outweighs the bad.

So why don't you shut the fuck up for a little while, stop making stupid fucking comments like all i am doing is educating people how to use zango, and try a little reading comprehension and see if it can sink in this time.

[will76]

Originally Posted by Atticus

I've had my differences with Will in the past but I cant believe the amount of shit he gets from this issue.

Here's a guy who points out that a company is stealing from webmasters and those very same webmasters call HIM out and tell him its "getting boring".

thank you. You have no idea from my perspective how rediculas all of this is for people to come to the conclusions about me like some of them do. my " mysterious agenda" which seems to change from post to post depending upon who the person is making that accusations that day. If it is Lars it is because I am jealous of his success and i am trying to bash my competition. If it is Damian it is because clickcash pays me to bash AFF. BoyAlley thinks I do it for the attention. Another day, another bullshit agenda. I guess it is just impossible I could be doing it for the fucking reasons I say.

How many times has someone accused me of scaming them? Stealing from them? fucking someone over? a deal gone bad ? etc...

none, I never even been so much as accused of fucking someone before but the second some idiot gets a wild hair up his ass about me he thinks I am up to no good with this zango shit. Never mind the fact these fucking morons don't even know what the fuck they are talking about.

Take the person who started this thread. He throws out the comment " All you doing is educating people on how to use zango " and " you are making zango more money etc.."

So i reply back, explain to me how what I am doing is hurting anyone here. Obviously this person subscribes to the school of idiots that think it is best to say nothing because if you try to educate people you make the problem worst. Sorry that doesn't apply here. Like I said " So what if Zango makes more money". DO i want them to make more money, fuck no. But if that is the only bad thing that happens, that some assholes go buy zango traffic because of my postings , so be it. It FAR out outweighs the good. (see post above).

Now he thinks I have an agenda because he can't fucking understand where I am coming from with this because he doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about.


so many fucking morons on this site trying to through in their 2 cents and think that got it all figured out and they don't have a fucking clue what they are talking about.

I wish someone would explain to me how I was attacking AFF to hurt my competition while we are at. That one still baffles me yet there is some people who believe this as fact.

[will76]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

what was nitesurf exactly?

After posting about this in the other thread I remember. Lars mentioned this to me back in October. I would beat anything that you have talked to Lars or someone close to him recently as he was the only person to mention nightsurf.

From my understanding ( so i may be wrong) it is a site owned by webpower. They either have or had a deal with msn ? for search listing ads ? From what I remember lars telling me (so take it for what it is worth) when you did a search for adultfriendfinder the nightsurf ad would be on the same page as the search results for adultfriendfinder.

1. what the fuck does this have to do with zango, spyware and stolen traffic?

2. what the fuck does this have to do with me ?

[will76]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

Liondollars does not use Zango.

Like any program here, we made a choice, our choice was to stay away from it.
nothing more to be said.

The reason for this post was basically this: IF Will76 is so hard up for Zango
then why stop now?

He was hardup for it and horny 24/7 forever. Where is the champion of the people now?

you truely are a piece of shit. I just started a thread about SexBankRoll and that was the one you posted in busting my balls over this. So you answered your own question... where is he now ? I was posting about sexbankroll now I am wasting time fighting morons like you.


" Why stop now ? " again, who said I stopped, you know i didn't so this is bullshit for you to even say or pretend you missed that thread since you posted in it.

Nothing like a " thata boy, thanks for spending 100+ hours of your life working on something that helps all of us." granted i didn't do it for you or the fucking people. I did what i did because i need your help to help people from stealing from me. I am no fucking mother teresa, i didn't do all of this because I am a champion for the people. It just so happens in order to protect my income i need to help all of you protect yours as well.

So no " thanks for your effort", nothing. What I get is " why stop now" right after being told " you aren't doing any good ". ( make up your mind ).

Sorry boss, eyes iz only human. Until people want to start making donations to me that exceed my income you are only going to get so much out of me on this issue. Some weeks more some less. If more of you got up off of your ass and did something instead of giving me a hard time it might make things better for all of us, including yourself. That is if you actually send traffic, i have no fucking clue who you are or what you do.

I hope this clears up things for you.

[will76]

Originally Posted by SomeCreep

From what I've gathered, nearly 100% of Will76's income is derived from Clickcash. Once Zango hit the scene and AFF started using them, his income declined so significantly, that his only recourse was a full out holy war against against Zango.

about 1% of my traffic. Clickcash shows you the browser agent your surfers use. zango shows up for this. SO i have a good estimate of traffic lost. However the way I link to clickcash, the traffic was being stolen only after people clicked " click here to sign up ". So while it was only 1% of the traffic, i guess it is more like 5% of my sales. Im losing over 50K a year to this easy.

What pissed me off was when i ended up with zango on my own pc and watched all these other companies hijacking my clickcash traffic. Kinda pisses you off. At least it pissed me off.

[DTK]

this was an ill-advised thread