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JD · 11-24-2007, 02:46 AM

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quikfind · 11-24-2007, 02:54 AM

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thnks and have a nice day :-)

fluffygrrl · 11-24-2007, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

Fucken retard...

No, actually, he has a solid point.

papill0n · 11-24-2007, 03:03 AM

In case you missed it....

AFF links all over a torrent site that was bought to your attention 6 months ago.

gideongallery · 11-24-2007, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by will76

AFF DOES NOT CARE. It's all about the money. They lose nothing for torrent sites. Cams and Dating are two things that can not be given away for free. SO they don't care about the problems the rest of you are having with content theft. They look at your problem is a way for them to make money.

Not only do they profit as upsells for these types of sites but they help corner the market. Everytime they help fund one of there torrent sites by accepting their traffic they are sprinkling a little dirt over your grave. Your company has more stolen content out there, your affiliates make less and have a ROI that gets worse and worse everyday. They come here and posts contest and $500 +++ per signup threads and they steal your affiliates because they can provide a more competitive payout than you.... because they are helping to kill your business.

make no mistake they know what they are doing. I am sure if they could they would help run all of you out of business and take your affiliates. Think about it, it makes perfect sense.

Now if someone logged into AFF and some kind of way ripped the site, got all the " real " people's info and made a torrent site out of it, and people could go there instead of AFF i bet they would care. But until content theft hurts their bottom line they don't give a fuck. And right now content theft helps their business in many many ways.

live content is the direction you have to go. People have fair use rights associated with the use of torrents. And your exclusive rights are to your CANNED content are dependent on you honoring those rights.

You can either adapt of go out of business

Crying about it is just bad business.

i suggest you watch piracy is good ? on youtube while he was wrong about the whole branding bug thing because he failed to consider paid product placement.

He has been right on when it comes to the concept of moving to live content.

Paysites like the ones in my sig are safe because they are built around live content. Weather that be cam traffic or having a solo girl which actually chats with their members EVERY SINGLE WEEK.

papill0n · 11-24-2007, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

live content is the direction you have to go. People have fair use rights associated with the use of torrents. And your exclusive rights are to your CANNED content are dependent on you honoring those rights.

You can either adapt of go out of business

Crying about it is just bad business.

i suggest you watch piracy is good ? on youtube while he was wrong about the whole branding bug thing because he failed to consider paid product placement.

He has been right on when it comes to the concept of moving to live content.

Paysites like the ones in my sig are safe because they are built around live content. Weather that be cam traffic or having a solo girl which actually chats with their members EVERY SINGLE WEEK.

Incredible.

Iron Fist · 11-24-2007, 03:32 AM

Bumpages.... siggy... blah.

ultimatebbwdotcom · 11-24-2007, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by RageCash-Ben

Incredible.

There's not even any point trying to understand the mindset of thieves.

gideongallery · 11-24-2007, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ultimatebbwdotcom

There's not even any point trying to understand the mindset of thieves.

get it thru you head copyright law does not establish property rights
it is not theft it is a copyright violation
on the plus side it what give you the right to prevent the transfer of rights from one person to the next (a la oem installs of windows) but it is also what creates the fair use provisions that you must obey.

i realize you want to selectively argue it theft but it not.
check out defendfairuse.org that site is set up by an organization that includes microsoft, google and host of other members of the computer and communication association

papill0n · 11-24-2007, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

get it thru you head copyright law does not establish property rights
it is not theft it is a copyright violation
on the plus side it what give you the right to prevent the transfer of rights from one person to the next (a la oem installs of windows) but it is also what creates the fair use provisions that you must obey.

i realize you want to selectively argue it theft but it not.
check out defendfairuse.org that site is set up by an organization that includes microsoft, google and host of other members of the computer and communication association

seriously, what the heck are you talking about?

Poontank · 11-24-2007, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

I dont steal shit from anyone

Poontank · 11-24-2007, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

get it thru you head copyright law does not establish property rights
it is not theft it is a copyright violation
on the plus side it what give you the right to prevent the transfer of rights from one person to the next (a la oem installs of windows) but it is also what creates the fair use provisions that you must obey.

i realize you want to selectively argue it theft but it not.
check out defendfairuse.org that site is set up by an organization that includes microsoft, google and host of other members of the computer and communication association

Kevsh · 11-24-2007, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

You can either adapt of go out of business

I hear this a lot from people who aren't affected. You know, those that haven't spent thousands and thousands of dollars and worked their ass of for years only to find their work is being peddled for free.

But you know, a lot of people are listening to that logic ...
They are starting tube sites.

gideongallery · 11-24-2007, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RageCash-Ben

seriously, what the heck are you talking about?

1. copyright grants no property rights
2. copyright only grants a CONDITIONAL exclusive right to distribute
3. that condition is respect the fair use of your copyrighed material

therefore

infringment ment of your copyright is not theft it a violation of your CONDITIONAL exclusive rights

fair use of your copyrighted material is not an infringement at all.

misrepresenting it as theft is an attempt to ignore fair use

gideongallery · 11-24-2007, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevsh

I hear this a lot from people who aren't affected. You know, those that haven't spent thousands and thousands of dollars and worked their ass of for years only to find their work is being peddled for free.

But you know, a lot of people are listening to that logic ...
They are starting tube sites.

there is nothing wrong with stopping those people who illegally aquiring rights to your work thru the torrents. That will always be an infringement of your copyright. IT when people misrepresent it as theft to try and justify eliminating fair use (ie when people are reaquiring content they have already bought a right too)

seeding is non infringing act because you never give someone a working copy of the file

downloading can be infringing (if you have no rights) or non infringing (if you have bought rights to the content)

go after the infringers (those people who download without the rights) get their ip address contact their isp. If they have a right to the content they will be able to produce the proof , if not they will be eliminated from the internet turning torrents into a purely non infringing act.

this BS about "your support theives" is garbage, because the only reason your content is being "stolen" is because you refuse to go after the actual infringers.

there are companies ( i own part of one) that will target these users for like 100 /title/month.

will76 · 11-24-2007, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

live content is the direction you have to go. People have fair use rights associated with the use of torrents. And your exclusive rights are to your CANNED content are dependent on you honoring those rights.

You can either adapt of go out of business

Crying about it is just bad business.

i suggest you watch piracy is good ? on youtube while he was wrong about the whole branding bug thing because he failed to consider paid product placement.

He has been right on when it comes to the concept of moving to live content.

Paysites like the ones in my sig are safe because they are built around live content. Weather that be cam traffic or having a solo girl which actually chats with their members EVERY SINGLE WEEK.

first of all, I only promote live cam sites. I am bringing this to everyone's attention, not crying about. Lars is the only one trying to call a hotdog a steak. i am just pointing out what is really happening here.

I have been sayin for over a year now that membership sites are dying out only interractive membership sites and live cams, dating, and toy sales will make it.

will76 · 11-24-2007, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

get it thru you head copyright law does not establish property rights
it is not theft it is a copyright violation
on the plus side it what give you the right to prevent the transfer of rights from one person to the next (a la oem installs of windows) but it is also what creates the fair use provisions that you must obey.

i realize you want to selectively argue it theft but it not.
check out defendfairuse.org that site is set up by an organization that includes microsoft, google and host of other members of the computer and communication association

you smoking crack. So you think if someone goes to a movie theatre and tapes a movie then uploads it, that it isn't theft? they didn't go steal the movie and give it to others? It was fair use, they had every right to do that. If that's your belief don't bother responding, you are a waste of time.

will76 · 11-24-2007, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevsh

I hear this a lot from people who aren't affected. You know, those that haven't spent thousands and thousands of dollars and worked their ass of for years only to find their work is being peddled for free.

But you know, a lot of people are listening to that logic ...
They are starting tube sites.

tube sites are ok if the person who owns it, also owns all the content posted on it.

gideongallery · 11-24-2007, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

you smoking crack. So you think if someone goes to a movie theatre and tapes a movie then uploads it, that it isn't theft?

most countries have laws that make the act of recording the movie in the theatre illegal so that is a crime
is it the crime of theft NO

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they didn't go steal the movie and give it to others?

steal no

give it away depends on how they upload it
in the torrent enviroment no they did not give anyone the movie they gave each person a small portion of the movie in an unviewable format.

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It was fair use, they had every right to do that. If that's your belief don't bother responding, you are a waste of time.

it completely depends on if the laws of the country allow the recording of the movie while in the theatre if you live in a country where that is a crime then the recording is in and of it self not authorized.

you can't claim fair use right of backup to content you don't have a right to view. and since the act of recording it would be illegal you can't /was not granted a right to view that copy.

ergo no fair use.

This is the BS i keep talking about
you can't argue against what i am actually saying so you pretend i am saying something else to try and make a point you don't have a right to make.

Sebastian Sands · 11-24-2007, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

PussyCash never did.

THAT says it all.

That might be true, but what does PussyCash do ?

Have another glass of fucking milk man.

will76 · 11-24-2007, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

most countries have laws that make the act of recording the movie in the theatre illegal so that is a crime
is it the crime of theft NO

steal no

give it away depends on how they upload it
in the torrent enviroment no they did not give anyone the movie they gave each person a small portion of the movie in an unviewable format.

it completely depends on if the laws of the country allow the recording of the movie while in the theatre if you live in a country where that is a crime then the recording is in and of it self not authorized.

you can't claim fair use right of backup to content you don't have a right to view. and since the act of recording it would be illegal you can't /was not granted a right to view that copy.

ergo no fair use.

This is the BS i keep talking about
you can't argue against what i am actually saying so you pretend i am saying something else to try and make a point you don't have a right to make.

I don't care what you call you, you starting to sound like BadDog. I don't care if you call it a bear shitting in the woods. We all know what is happening here. People take something that does not belong to them and then they share it with the world for free when they have no right to do so. Call it what you want, it should not be done period. Go play semantics with BadDog, he will keep you entertained for hours.

qxm · 11-24-2007, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Poontank

martinsc · 11-24-2007, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Poontank

Scootermuze · 11-24-2007, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

you can't claim fair use right of backup to content you don't have a right to view.

Go buy a Playboy dvd and 'back it up' on a file share site.. for safe keeping.. then let Playboy know that you did it..
You'll learn really fast what copyright really means.. and what fair use doesn't mean..

will76 · 11-25-2007, 01:00 AM

Hey Lars this is for you asshole

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Originally Posted by Poontank

gideongallery · 11-25-2007, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Scootermuze

Go buy a Playboy dvd and 'back it up' on a file share site.. for safe keeping.. then let Playboy know that you did it..
You'll learn really fast what copyright really means.. and what fair use doesn't mean..

nothing in the world would stop playboy or other big media companies using lawyers to abuse fair use

see http://www.defendfairuse.org/abuse_examples.html

playboy's current copyright notice is a violation of fair use (see the publishers example at the bottom of the page)

i for one know that my actions are fair use under canadian law because the lost producers have already attempted to argue that i was violating their copyright by downloading their show from tvtorrents.com

i got the isp letter threatening my service

i sent the copy of my cable bill, the tv guild listing showing the episode playing and a copy of the supreme court decision which defined it as a non infringing act (CRIA loss)

but if you want to have the point codified into law

give me your website and i will do just that
you can sue me and see who wins

Kevsh · 11-25-2007, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by will76

tube sites are ok if the person who owns it, also owns all the content posted on it.

Yes, of course.
I think you missed the sarcasm of my post

will76 · 12-07-2007, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Poontank

quoted for the truth

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