Pleasurepays

100 idiots that keep finding what they are looking for, because they are actively searching for it and really only want to affirm their own paranoid beliefs under the guise of discussions whos most common retort is "do some investigation"... "you're all just sheeple" etc.

PAR

The "confusion" about the name (you would thing the CIA and FBI would have the right facts..) only covers 2 of the 8 names listed above...

There have been 9 found alive todate..

stop reading GFY for 10 min and do some of your own research..
BBC ABC both showed at least one of the men alive and well.

But I guess that if the Saudi embassy saying someone is alive and seeing the BBC,ABC and it being over the news wires doesnt do anything for you.. then do a quick search for a video on google. As its clear that people are not searching anywhere to answer their own questions and then labeling the people that are trying to answer the questions for them.
No one can make you see the light better then yourself.. If you have questions then search for them... I know everyone here can us a putter and everyone here knows how to search google...

It's 5pm on a friday so Im not going to spend more time on this.. you have all the info a normal person needs to find all the info they need.

Pleasurepays

really? i see people who believe in conspiracy's doing the exact same thing... "finding answers" they want to believe and labeling those that question them as if there is no other side to the story.

is that fair, balanced and objective? or is that someone trying to prove something rather than taking an honest look at the evidence and accepting where it leads... no matter where it takes them?

Dirty Dane

Do you have any links to where they show him alive?

The Duck

It is not easy to discuss with people who resort to name calling and insult rather than present valid arguments and evidence. It seems as if the majority of the american people have been conditioned by the fourth branch of the government aka the media to dismiss and ridicule anything as long as the trigger word conspiracy is presented. That kind of response shows clear evidence of mind control and brainwashing, according to mine and many others research.

It works much like other trigger words like freedom, 911, terrorists, september 11, that have been associated with fear and trauma to produce a certain response, in this case blind patriotism and follow-the-leader nazi attitude. They really know what the fuck they are doing, and they are very clever.

However they screwed up on some points and those are being pursued by 911 truthers right now but I guess they rely the brainwashing to do the job of taking down this movement for them, but honestly it looks like that will not happen.

I tell you this when the brown stuff hits the spinning propeller its going to be ugly, real ugly.

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FetishTom

You are quite right it isn't easy. Please stop doing it. Thank you.

Michaelious

We've heard the same rhetoric for ages now.

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"really? i see people who believe in conspiracy's doing the exact same thing... "finding answers" they want to believe and labeling those that question them as if there is no other side to the story.

is that fair, balanced and objective? or is that someone trying to prove something rather than taking an honest look at the evidence and accepting where it leads... no matter where it takes them?"

I have looked at and keep looking at both side of this I honestly don't think the truth will ever be truly known.. there are to many facts that point both ways... there are always 2 sides of a story... Nothing should just be taken at face value... If you find something explaining why something could not happen then search for information saying why it could happen.

I have posted some info in this thread and yes it looks one sided but really only one side is asking questions. The people that think the US Gov't did it are not asking questions...

So I will ask some - Why would the Gov't do it.
- if you think war in Iraq then why - if you think oil in Iraq then again why not say Iraq did it...

Why wouldn't the Gov't do it... They stand to lose way to much if they were ever found out.

There are many many more questions people shoud be asking on both side... But we all know this will never happen on GFY... there is no drama in people trying to find common ground or explaining there points in a open environment.

Not everyone that questions 911 drives home in a tin hat.. some people are just looking for more info.

Phoenix

they have stepped forward

and guess what...no one is going to do shit or care about it..because no one lets it air

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Dirty Dane

So many people, including countries and media sources, do not believe in the official theory... and no one would let it air? I don't think so...

The Duck

Are we not asking questions? For several years I was bombarded by the official story, I believed it and wanted the middle east leveled. When I started looking at the evidence the other side had to present, and then again looking more in dept at the evidencene of the official story, it was not hard to determine what path I was going to head.

As far as why they would do it, you need to really research the big picture. It is not about oil or money, it is about power. Absolute power over humanity. Paving the way for a world government, eliminating resistance by imposing martial law and dictatorial laws people will gladly accept in fear of terror.

Project for a New American Century, rebuilding americas defences, the bilderberg, trilateral commission, council on foreign relations, freemasons. Read.

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And people wonder how the german people could accept Hitler and let him do what he did. Hello old horrible history, welcome back!

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Pleasurepays

well... there you go again.... as i have said already.... the foundation of your argument (as with most foreigners) is that Americans are stupid, brainwashed and "don't know the truth" - while some jackass on the other side of the planet has it all figured out, has no agenda and gets all of his information in a pure, unbiased, fact filled, balanced and objective source.

you got us.

americans are idiots.

THAT my friend, is pure 3rd grade arrogance.

i wish i had access to the great, unbiased news the rest of the world has. its amazing that so few americans have caught on that they are totally retarded and brainwashed.

angelsofporn

Right on Pheonix. One day these people will wake up.

FetishTom

...well as Masterplans go its working a treat in the Middle East and Iraq in particular.

Not exactly working out too well in the USA either given the mood of the populus towards the whole 'War on Terror' bit

angelsofporn

"The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists."
J. Edgar Hoover

The Duck

You are reaching conclusions on your own, I never said anything about stupid or retarded. Brainwashed and mind control does not mean stupid and ignorant, mind control works on trauma and anyone can be brainwashed and controlled. Most of the western world is caught up in a hypnotic trance, my country is no better.

One thing I can clearly see from an outer perspective is that the american media and the american government is subjecting the american people to a psychological war.

I dont get my information unbiased, fact filled, balanced and objective. I think for myself and reach my own conclusions based on the avalible information.

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The Duck

They dont care about the USA which is evident from 911, they need it to crash to make way for the PNAC and the NAU.

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Yeah, Yeah Yeah
Now Tell You What, Its Mind Control
Mind Control,
Corruption Of Your Thoughts (Yeah), Destruction Of Your Soul
Mind Control, Its Mind Control, Corruption Of Your Thoughts
Destruction Of Your Soul

Don't Let Them Mold Your Mind, They Want To Control Mankind
Seems Like Their Only Intention Is To Exploit The Earth,
And You Trust In Their Deceit, Your Mind Causes Your Defeat,
And So You Become An Invention To Distort This Earth

Propoganda And Lies, Is A Plague In Our Lives
How Much More Victimized, Before We Realize (Hey)

Its Mind Control, Mind Control
Corruption Of Your Thoughts (Yeah), Destruction Of Your Soul
Mind Control, Its Mind Control, Corruption Of Your Thoughts
Destruction Of Your Soul

Ooh Grand Master, Let The People Go,
You Put Them In Total Confusion, To Downs-Troy* Their Soul
For They Practise What You Preach, So They're Always In Your Reach Hi-Tech Slavery In These Days, Its Mind Control

They'll Make It Attractive, To Get Man Destracted,
Corrupting Your (Soul)
Polluting Your (Soul)
Destroying (Your Soul, Mind Control)

Mind Control,
Corruption Of Your Thoughts, Destruction Of Your Soul
Mind Control, Its Mind Control, Corruption Of Your Thoughts
Destruction Of Your Soul

Yeah, Yeah Yeah
Come On And, Get It Together Brother Man
What You Say?

Its Mind Control, Mind Control
Corruption Of Your Thoughts, Destruction Of Your Soul
Mind Control, Its Mind Control, Corruption Of Your Thoughts
Destruction Of Your Soul

(The Truth Is There For Us To See)
Its Mind Control,
Corruption Of Your Thoughts, Destruction Of Your Soul
(The Truth Is There For Us To See)
Its Mind Control, Corruption Of Your Thoughts
Destruction Of Your Soul

(The Truth Is There For Us To See)
(The Truth Is There For Us To See)

Stephen Marley - Mind Control

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FetishTom

So you don't get unbaised or balanced or objective information but you reach your own conclusions based on said tainted information...does this not mean your conclusions are inherently flawed?

The Duck

You fail at being intelligent.

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TheMaster

will take a few years before Americans will be able to comtemplate that there might be something fishy about the whole thing

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Dirty Dane

If there were any conspiracy, the insurance companies and their millions of stockholders, their laywers, their spies and their investigators would have proved it long time ago.... unless you wanna add them to the neverending list of involved ..lol

Minte

I can't imagine how frustrated you conspiracy buffs must be when you already know that in a few years,president Bush will retire with all the benefits of a former president. He will live out the rest of his life in luxury. And in time history will judge his presidency. And time has a way of softening the reality. I vividly remember how the rest of the world hated Nixon. Now that he is gone,he is remembered for his diplomatic triumphs and watergate is a mere footnote.

The current president Bush will almost certainly be looked at as a hero.

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Phoenix

you know i often think about insurance companies.

id really like to look into that side of it...who were the insurance companies who had to pay for everything. maybe next time

well another good day in the "office"..kudos to the lack of shit slinging
night all i'm going to have some wine... a cigar and relax in a hot tub.

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FetishTom

...and thats your best comeback?

Ah well perhaps I was expecting a bit too much

Dirty F

Yeah you really shouldnt talk about those 2 fucking huge planes that did massive damage to building 1 and 2. Because thats just a small detail isnt it imbecile?

Dirty F

Dirty Dane

Franck did it.

theking

Do your research. Everything you have listed has been counter explained...ad nauseam.

As far as I am concerned Achims Razor comes into play as well as a statement once made by Dr. Carl Sagen...extraordinary claims requires extraordinary proof.

You conspiratists do not even have ordinary proof. You only have...speculation...obfuscation...and fabrication.

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Rinaldo

Brad, if Fire cannot melt steel then what can? Liquid hot magma? I didn't see space ships pouring magma into the building before it collapsed. It burned afterwards, and it had melted... why? Friction? sure, but what would perpetuate the burning afterwards?
The other argument I've seen is the explanation that if a tree falls to one side when you cut out a wedge then why didn't the twin towers...

Ok, Two obvious answes, Trees are not perfectly proportional weight is not equally distributed from one side to another. So if you cut it in half it's going to fall in one direction. The wedge in the tree also causes it to fall to that side, the weaker side. The twin towers were struck at the top of the building not the bottom, so they wouldn't weaken one side or another. A friend of mine from University,his father was an engineer on the project, the twin towers. He was a structural engineer and made some changes to the proposed construction. After the buildings both fell perfectly he was credited for it and praised by his peers. You have to marvel at how two buildings were built so perfectly that they fell directly into their base. Imagine the collateral damage if 100 stories fell to one side or another.


I lack a physics degree, I don't give a shit about physics.If I fall it hurts, I know that sex feels good and food tastes delicious I don't care why. You are stretching the facts to suit your arguments and frankly they're weak.

I hope you're right, I hope there aren't people out there that want to harm my people because they disagree with us. I hope our govt planted a demolition so that I can blame a controlled group of people. But unfortunately the evidence doesn't seem to support that.

split_joel

Not that anyone will really take notice to my post but how could anyone with an IQ higher then 110 not see that the towers were blown up?

The fire was no where near hot enough to melt the metal keeping the building up and even if it did the floors affected would have taken several minutes in which case you would see the building mold and become disfigured.

Watch the video of the tower's failing, if you look close you can actually see the towers rock, you can see stuff breaking the office windows as the building's collapsed.

Lets even overlook those facts. The FBI has named the terriost involved. Would they not be dead? There is evidence and proof some of these guys are still alive. What is the likely hood that more then one of these guys had an identical twin?

Also, do you recall hearing about the plane that was supposed to of hit the white house but never made it? The crew takes over and crashes the plan? Why not try to contact the FAA and find out how to put the plane back on auto pilot or if auto pilot is messed up at least attempt to land the plane.

The reason is the plane was blown clear out of the sky. This is why there was debris miles away from the crash site, metal, magizane and other random materials. Eye witnesses even say they heard an explosion before the plane feel from the sky.

Lets move on to the plane that hit the pentagon. Now, it has been reported that 757 hit the pentagon, now lets just say this really happened. In order to hit the pentagon the plane would have to fly extremely low and pass directly over the freeway to hit its target. If this were to really happen the force would have blown cars off the road miles into the air and the surrounding trees would have been broken in half by the force of the plane going so fast directly overhead, think of what a hurricane winds do to tree's and cars.

I am not going to sit here an say who did this or who didn't do this but if you actually think that what the media says about the so called "attack" then I feel really bad for you, because anyone with a brain could smell bullshit right away due to simple facts called the laws of physics.

My two cents.

Dirty Dane

My IQ is over 110, and I know you do not have to melt steel to weaken it

Dirty Dane

Please, show us the evidence.

split_joel

http://www.welfarestate.com/911/

One of sites i have come upon theres many others, go there, google the hijackers that are still alive you will find them seen over and over again over the years, some have done interviews saying they were not involved when they are dead, and the fbi has changed the list since some of these people have been found alive. do simple research you will see for yourself

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The Duck

To weaken steel you need to expose it to fire for long periods of time. Jet fuel does not burn at degrees high enough to even begin to melt steel. The fires where red, with black smoke which means they where lacking oxygen which in turn means they where even cooler than regular fires.

There are examples of building who burned for 20 hours without failing. The fire melt / weaken steel does not make sense, it just doesnt if you look at it with an open mind.

Check this video of the windsor tower in madrid which burned for more than 20 hours, engulfed in flames.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=j2_srNT8-Ow

And another one https://youtube.com/watch?v=th2bn...elated&search=

The impact of the planes did little damage, tests have shown that the impact did not make more damage than high velocity winds which the towers where build to withstand, not to mention they where built to withstand multiple airplane impact.

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that doesn't count for some fox-brainwashed americans, but for most of the rest of the world it's clear. the truth will surface eventually everywhere.

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Care to back that smiley with some facts? I can give you some right now, the impact of the plane was as about as strong as constant hurricane winds. The towers where built to withstand it and more.

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IllTestYourGirls

did that building that burned for 20 hours have a plane at high speeds fly into first? But that is just a little detail.

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Dirty F

Oh man, youre fucked in your head.

Did you even see the damage those planes did? How the fucking fuck can you even compare that to wind? Are you nuts?? Wait, yes you are.

Daruma

whats this 'we' talk
your a Canadian.. last time I checked they have never as a country launched people into space

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Dirty F

Imbecile, a plane flew into the building. Stop crying about fires. A PLANE flew into the building.

I saw a docu on discovery about a chinese warehouse that collapsed. Before it collapsed it started rocking. Walls broke down, windows broke etc. So your above 110 iq theory means SHIT because you dont know SHIT. You are just suggesting shit you dont know shit about.


If you read some more instead of a few idiotic conpspiracy sites you would know these people are simply people with the same name. No secret or conspiracy here. Only if you read it on one of those nut sites. Thats simply it. People with the same name are still alive.

Thanks for proving yourself wrong. Cars and lightpoles were damaged in the path were the plane flew. MORON.

Yeah well you 2 cents mean shit and you are not in a position to talk about "anyone with a brain" because its clear you dont know NOTHING about the subject. Nothing but some BULLSHIT you read on conspiracy sites. Fucking imbecile.

The Duck

Yeah, and? I guess you missed the fact that the buildings where designed to withstand multiple impacts from airliners.

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Rochard

You know..... I never thought of that really. Billions of dollars were paid out in insurance; It was even mentioned in this thread that the owner of the WTC took out insurance against terrorist attacks shortly before 9/11. On would think the insurance companies would be moving the moon to prove this wasn't done by terrorists and instead done by Bush.

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Phoenix

the planes the planes..lol

give ma break..the planes smashed into a steel lattice

they did fuck all to the over all integrity of the building


i understand it is easier to swallow the party line instead of thinking for yourselves.

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Phoenix

for Franck..you just go have a look at your lightpoles that were knocked out of the ground by the passing plane.

you think that is what they look like when a supposed plane smashes into something? what the fuck is wrong with you? you are attributing two planes bringing down a huge steel building...but you think another plane doesnt even fuck up some lightpoles..it just gently lifts them from the ground and puts them down real nice like..lol

all you guys who sput venom from your fingetips and say we proved you guys wrong etc ec....you haven't done shit....we show you countless times where you are wrong...you ignore it and start screaming about planes

you remind me of monkeys slinging shit from their asses

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Rochard

This is a most interesting post.

It's not secret that Bush enjoys the lowest popularity rating of any recent president. Everyone is complaining about how we are still in Iraq. I don't think Bush ever intended in leaving Iraq - and maybe he's smarter than all of us think.

In the 1980s when Iraq invaded Iran, the ships in the Persian Gulf carrying our oil came under attack by Iran. The US military had to step in to "protect shipping in the Gulf". (It's also a little known fact that the US pretty much dstroyed Iran's navy in less than a week.)

Twenty years from now when the oil starts running out, when it becomes harder to find and more expensive to pull out of the ground, we could see WWIII. We'll be fighting all of the other countries who need the same oil we do. China will be involved, and make no mistake they are in fact a world power (and huge!). Japan too will be involved; They've already gone to war with us over oil in WWII.

The Middle East will be the battlefront.

Hopefully by then we'll still have a huge presence in the Middle East. And only then will we look at President Bush and his crowd in a different light.

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Phoenix

Im sorry i guess you were never informed.....IT IS ILLEGAL FOR YOU TO LEAVE IRAQ...if you leave too early..you have declared WAR ON THE WORLD.

I guess that was never explained to everyone..or wait it was..just not anywhere any american citizens would find it

you are in there illegally....you cant just leave because your soldiers are dying....its almost like you guys have no clue what is really going on in your country at all...but you seem to think you guys know everything..and are sure of it
.....not singling you Rochard...but your post was a sure sign you dont know the real issues about why you guys are there.

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