will76

No kiddin, however he will not take your advice.

I have never heard someone so green that has been involved in adult for a year talk so much. 15K posts in 1 year, every posts he makes the guy thinks he knwos it all. Acts like an asshole and very very few people like him. but it is all us, we know nothing.

Stickyfingers, noob to know it all in 1 years time. hell of an accomplishment.

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ServerGenius

As a long term solution I see making a change to how content/sites are
distibuted to the client. Today the browser downloads data and renders the
pages + content. Turning that around to the server which streams the data
encrypted/authenticated every time it's being displayed could lead to a solution
that would temporarely eleminate the problem.

If you show it you can steal it.....we just need to find a way that doesn't
make it worth it :-)

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stickyfingerz

2006? Hmm ok my first paysite was in 2004 so oops thats wrong. And I was working on adult stuff and making money at it in a different manner back in 1996 - 1998. I went out on tour with a band for over a year till late 99. I actually promoted Ifriends too mr Will back from 2000 till about 2002 or so. Got away from it till I found 2 girls that wanted to do a paysite and I did that in 2004. The girls flaked half way through the project and I took some time off and regrouped and started learning more about the traffic side etc. Ive been working with video since I was in Highschool back in 87 till about 91 I was doing videos with Vhs for people, and was making money doing Video Photo albums using a easel and a video camera. I had an online business making the same thing from 1999 till 2002 or so and shipping out dvds from photos I had the customers upload. This was prior to dvd drives being inexpensive and the software made easy to use for the average consumer.

So you have been spamming Ifriends links since 99, and that somehow makes you God of the Adult Internet I guess.... And the self appointed whiner of the industry.

Eventually Will you will burn your hands from picking up so many torches...

ServerGenius

please warn me when I completely stop making sense......thanks I'll return the
favour whenever you need it

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stickyfingerz

Very few people like me rofl. Dude you couldnt be more wrong. Many of the ones I argue with on the board are people that talk with me every day on icq. You know nothing as usual.

ServerGenius

will you become my mentor? I will make you look even smarter than you already are......I say we could make a wining team by a win win situation?

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DWB

They are only not buying them because they don't have to anymore.

I have NO problems with the old school way of giving out promo videos to sites, but now that is not what is going on. If it was not given to them, many would still buy it.

I produce DVDs. Sales are declining as these sites grow. I have fans mail me direct and say things like, "I just downloaded your movie and must say I'm impressed. When is your next one coming out?"

The bigger problem is that nobody thinks stealing movies or music is wrong.

Bama

Sure it is. The fact that there is no statement regarding torrent sites IS the answer. It doesn't implicitly state you can't promote any of their websites on affiliate sites that use a blue background either.

Omission of information IS information.

I didn't say don't do anything. I said if you have a problem with their business model - don't promote them.

I do like how you brushed right past the fact that by creating hacks for popping unwanted consoles for IE and Firefox - you are helping the torrent and spyware sites. These type of websites make use of them and everyone and their brother knows it.

Maybe instead of finding loopholes in code, you could spend that time securing them....

THEN, you can stand up and say "Follow my lead" instead of pointing out what others are doing so they don't notice what you're doing.

But, then again, I just like busting your chops when I come in from cutting the grass! !

will76

That is pretty much a given. I wouldn't assume that because people are discussing this ( or crying about it as you put it) that they are not taking steps to try to make their site more appealing and add things to their site that people can't steal (chat rooms, messageboards, etc.. anything interractive).

Getting rid of the trial membership is dumb IMO. If someone wants to rip your site they will do it at $29.95 and then charge it back . IF you do away with the trial memberships now you are really forcing people to go look for it free. If people can get a membership for 2.95 they will likely do it. If their only option is 29.95 I bet more of them will say fuck it and try to find it for free.

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stickyfingerz

Very true, if you are going to give away your content you might as well not charge that person as much. Here have it for 2.95, if I make you pay 29.95 you might charge back on me...

ServerGenius

What I'm thinking that most of the webmasters complaining the loudest are just
waiting for someone to come up with a good idea so they can do the same just
like did with everything else they did. Most paysites that are in the middle class
of the industry are run by people have no real idea to why they're doing what
they do......that's the whole reaon there's so many of them in the middleclass

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will76

I don't give a fuck if you were playing with a video camera in high school or doing web design. You don't know what they fuck you are talking about with the adult industry and this is proven post after post that you make. ASK AROUND, the VAST MAJORITY of the people here feel the same way about you.

You want to come across as the knowledgable person who has done this and done that and you know everything. Yeah you had your own membership sites how did that work out for you, where are they now??? Was that before you got a job with split infinity or after you were working in night clubs. Or after you made a post on here a year ago begging people to show you how to make money. I remember you talked about your membership sites in that thread and how you got like 10 sales in 2 months or some shit. You don't have a fucking clue but yet you will tell people " I owned my own membership site".

Ok so you started adult in 1999 but yet in 2006 you make threads asking people to teach you how to make money. So obviously you don't know what the fuck you are doing and you were a failure for 7 years. So please keep making it sound like every post you make to people that you have it all figured out and that other person is stupid.

You are a legend in your own mind.

Good job, please carry on Mr. Know it all .

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»Rob Content«

Really?

Cuz these:

Cute_15_Year_Old_jacking_off_her_Daddy_zip
Fucking_my_little_sis_in_the_ass_illegal_preteen_u nderage_lolita_kiddy_child_incest_xxx_porno_gay_fu ck_young_naked_nude_little_g_rar
14_Year_Old_Nude_ANAL
Under_age_small_girl_showing_pussy_illegal.rar
prepuberty_underage_masturbation_video.mpg
15_year_OLD_rape_anal_forcedbj_blowjob.mwv
2_13_Year_Old_Forced_Lesbian_Sex.mpg

Are available to DL on torrent sites with an AFF banner right next to them.

So you're saying that AFF does not pay this site for any sales generated from that banner, actually there are three on most pages, and it's just there for fun?

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will76

No you retarded dumb fuck. It is the nature of how rebilling membership sites work. Obviously something you did not comphrened too well since your " membership sites" didn't make it.

The main fucking goal with a membership site is to get them to signup. If they don't signup you don't have a chance at a sale (make fucking sense ? retarded fuck) Once they are signed up if your site is good you will retain them, if not they will forget to cancel and you still make money off of them. Or they cancel and you lose them. Simple as that, you will make 10x more money from membership sites with a low trial membership vs only offering $29.95 membership. Look around you stupid fuck, 99% of membership sites offer trail memberships, do you think that could be because it works the best ???

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ServerGenius

I am one of a few who never believed in having trial memberships if you run
an above average quality site. Trials sure won't stop this problem I agree on
that but it does make it easier to do it. Members that pay for a month also
aren't so eager to see everything the site has got in less than 3 days which
in case they don't make it to be sure they'll download everything that's there.

Trials can be profitable in some situations but I know for a fact they don't
ALWAYS be profitable. People that just pay the full membership aren't
willing to bother spending 70% of the time looking for ways to get it for
free.

People that happily just pay are the same people that download an mp3 and
still buy the album if it is what they like. Trial members are mostly cheap
cunts that will do ANYTHING if they can get it for free.

I have chosen to not go after these people as those are the ones that
make up 80% of your chargebacks.....even though it's cheap they still
take the effort of charging their 3 bucks back.

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will76

No i wont be your mentor but after doing this for 8 years full time, I will be the first to tell you i don't know it all and I will always listen to advice of people who are more successful then me.

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Digipimp

yeah why allow stuff like this when you can just give affiliates full fucking movies to put on their free sites. what a bunch of idiots.

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stickyfingerz

Starting to make sense now your reading comprehension sucks cock, just like you do.

ServerGenius

do you always take everything that's posted seriously or have those 8
years make you lost your sense of humor?

I've been around since '92 and still find new ways I could do wrong.....
i did however manage in all those years that all my mistakes are worse
than the few things I manage to do right......it's still not worth thinking
of changing careers.......not sure if that says more about my other
available options or the level of success I have doing what I do

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stickyfingerz

99% ?

»Rob Content«

Still waiting for answers...

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ServerGenius

lol it's not GFY if a thread doesn't turn into an ego trip or my cock is bigger than
yours kinda thread.....

Disagreeing doesn't necesarely mean that either 1 of you is wrong

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Brujah

Another reason one might not choose to answer a question like this would be that it allows for some deniability? If you just do it without asking, then it would probably be ok but they wouldn't just come out and say "Sure, go ahead." If you force an answer, it will likely be no.

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stickyfingerz

For the record you can look back and see who started that shit. Ive said most of the same things you have said in this thread about looking at things from a different perspective. The underlying problem is not torrent sites. Full rips of content have been available on newsgroups, and p2p and warez sites since way before torrents were even invented. If people would look at the other factors to it, but they wont. Just think about when everyone is on fiber connections. They will be sending each other full dvds on instant messengers. Then we'll have to boycott instant messengers, and the companies that support them...

ServerGenius

yup very good one.....

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Aussie Rebel

See Sig..

SmokeyTheBear

if its not implied i like to ask first ..

i guess then i can count on your paying me if realitycash doesnt ?


didn't think so..





how forgetfull of you, you just said the only question you should be asking is where is my check , i.e. thats the only valid question..

anyone here with half a brain knows this isnt the case so dont waste you rbreath with this drivel argument..

that was a question ? i thought it was more of an idiotic slam..

realitycash , the people im promoting use the same popups.. so does the rest of the interweb as well as aff , nice try though..

i reported both holes to respective clients , firefox has their bug forum online so its on record.. thanks for you interest though
nobody is saying to follow smokey's lead ? i asked a question to MY rep , you chose to think you can answer for them , you cant because you dont work for them , you aren't sending me my realitycash check , lensman in.


again nice try though .. cut the grass longer you might think up something better than " smokey does popups" thus his argument ona completely unrelated topic . is invalid

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ServerGenius

ehh I didn't intend to point the finger, tell either of you you're wrong or chose
sides......

Well people who use computers every day have a completely different view
and idea about most things than people who don't use them every day.
As weird as it may sound....there's still LOADS of people who have no
clue where and how to get it.......finding this out will take them years
and most don't even want to be bothered with searching for hours to
get something which often turns out to be something other they wanted
to just save a few bucks.

I have friends of my age with good education who only discover new sites
by accidently clicking somewhere.....they heard of google but have no
clue it could open a whole new world to them and saving them weeks
of their life at the same time.

I often made mistakes with user interfaces as the things that seems idiot
proof to me turned out to be rocket science for others. Every site I make
I have tested by my 89 year old grandpa......perhaps I'll have to change
that too as today senior citizens have more skills using the intraweb than
a lot of people of their next generation.......they have the time and
appriciate the new way of social contact which makes them really motivated
getting to figure out how the intraweb works.

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»Rob Content«

I don't want to get into a pissing fest, that does nothing for me, I like to keep things rational and get answers to my questions.

Sticky said AFF does not in anyway support or work with CP.

I provided links to cp that is listed around a series of AFF banners.

I want to understand why this is acceptable.

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Damian_Maxcash

The net is like the Wild West - we have all said it before.

Torrent's are not going away - simple fact - learn to use them - you learn to adapt or you die.

We had this same shit with TGP's - "They are giving away too much content" - now most of you make your livings from them.

Get over it and learn to utilize the traffic or live in denial and die poor.

Cradle

that siad from someone sporting aff int heir sig

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ServerGenius

1: Sites where AFF advertises don't necessarily have to be affiliates of AFF
2: Having rules and policies and really enforcing them isn't quite the same.

Even if they would attempt to enforce and operate according them it would
simply be too much work checking every site they're on every day. Unless
the site it's on is yours you anything is possible............the only thing they
could do is once the find out to blacklist them for future use

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Damian_Maxcash

What's your point?

ServerGenius

Clue card: yanking your chains

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Aussie Rebel

Orly?

RawAlex

This message is hidden because stickyfingerz is on your ignore list.

(that one line makes this thread bearable).

Smokey asks a valid question, even if everyone has tried to pervert it into a "Lensman isn't the net police". The question really is this: If you know companies are allowing and supporting sites that specifically exist to rip you off, why do you continue to allow them to be part of the GFY community and major sponsors?"

It is an important question - GFY could vote AFF and their ilk off the island.

stickyfingerz

So how do they support CP? They also work with CP? And they Fund it?

You better open a fucking dictionary.

stickyfingerz

Damian you must be a noob who knows nothing to have such an opinion

Dopy

You will find that many of those torrents are Virus magnets. There is cp on torrent for sure but the good news is that trojan distributers are jumping on the attractive text lines.

»Rob Content«

Aussie Rebel please hit me up

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ServerGenius

Till the time there's somekind of regulation for internet business I think we
have to figure out ourselfes a way to provail......something tells me that it
will take another while before we can stop coming up with new solutions to
overcome new problems.......on top of that I don't see the end of coming
up with new threats to our business......I'm starting to think that they did
this on purpose for providing a market which isn't as easy to tax as the
other available markets.......somebody is fucking with us and has a lot of
fun seeing us struggle through them....

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»Rob Content«

I can open a dictionary and I am fully aware of what I am asking.

You are saying that having your banners and links next to these

Cute_15_Year_Old_jacking_off_her_Daddy_zip
Fucking_my_little_sis_in_the_ass_illegal_preteen_u nderage_lolita_kiddy_child_incest_xxx_porno_gay_fu ck_young_naked_nude_little_g_rar
14_Year_Old_Nude_ANAL
Under_age_small_girl_showing_pussy_illegal.rar
prepuberty_underage_masturbation_video.mpg
15_year_OLD_rape_anal_forcedbj_blowjob.mwv
2_13_Year_Old_Forced_Lesbian_Sex.mpg

Which are available to download on the torrent sites. People who search these terms also click these banners and join AFF and the torrent owner gets paid.

They are paying the torrent site owner, who is trafficking that CP all over the net. They are in bed together.

How is this acceptable?

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stickyfingerz

Ya lots of Pedos join ADULT dating sites..... 98% of those links you have there either dont have any seeders, are just spyware infected pieces of non related video, or are not as they are described. So are you saying AFF went to that torrent site, and said hey we want to buy some ads from you how much? OR is that affiliates of aff doing that? So should aff go out and patrol every affiliate, and every torrent site? Just silly. Go get the revid and report it, and let them take it from there. Report the site to ascap and others about the cp issue. The cp stuff is just shock and awe for you guys, and its pathetic.

will76

I don't think I had more than a hand full of people charge back the $2.95. I would say out of thousands of membership signups I had through trials maybe 10 people charged back the $2.95 trial fee.

Trial members are the cheap fuck people which is the majority of the people online. Not a lot of people willing to pay for porn anymore much less $29.95+++ a membership. The same people who you say are cheap are also typically the same ones that forget to cancel. We all know the whole rebilling model revolves around a good portion of the people forgetting to rebill. So with that being the case, the more people you get in, the more rebills you will have, either because the content is good or they forgot to cancel.

As far as trial memberships making it easier for people to rip your content. It only takes 1 person to rip your whole site and once it gets shared it can be all over the net just the same if 100 people ripped it.

Making it harder for them to rip your site by making your membership fee expensive only hurts you IMO. You get less sales because you are only giving people expensive options to join and your site still gets ripped regardless.

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»Rob Content«

I've sent the links to every e mail address on AFF, and sent icq's to some of their staff nothing happened.

I've sent links from the torrent sites like this to ASACP numerous times, both submitting the links and e mailed to people there directly, nothing happened.

Should they patrol every affiliate on every torrent site, yes if they are on pages that push CP around the net.

If they are as big of a supporter of the ASACP and fighting CP at all costs, you would never find their links next to CP PERIOD!

The thing for them is they make too much money off torrent sites to really care and turn a blind eye to it. Lars is fully aware of it, and said they were working with the torrent sites to at some point remove CP related searched pages from their ads.

This means he fully knows has spoken to the torrent owner and is working to a resolve at some point.

Since they are aware of it, and since they are such a HUGE fighter of CP wouldn't they pull the ads until the torrent sites could say "yes you will not show up next to CP!"

Keeping the ads there just to make the extra cash is just fucking wrong, nothing more then that.

They are aware of it, and they don't care.

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Dopy

You are right but trying to convince the part time torrent experts might be a little difficult.

ServerGenius

I get your point I still like to believe that people who pay a full membership
are less likely to upload it to torrent sites so the rest of the world can watch
the same for free....

I believe that the results of having or not having trials depends on many
other factors that lead to be profitable or not. The 2 times I experimented
with trials it didn't had any positive effect on my sales.....to be honest
not having them gets me a lot of more sales in terms of money it doesn't
make much difference. Not having them does save me time and quite a
few headaches that having them would cause me.

People don't plan buying porn memberships.....they surf around and all of
a sudden they stumble on something they like just when they're feeling a bit
horny......once they decide they really need to yerk of to that right now
a few bucks won't stop them from getting sexual relief.

At least that's the lesson I got out of it the times I tried

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will76

I don't mean to come across as an asshole, i got the jest you were joking. I just had a little sticky shit on my shoe and was a tad agitated. My reply was more geared to him then you.

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Dopy

Thats exactly the way it is because traffic talks.