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Old 06-20-2007, 12:57 AM   #1
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The USA is reminding me of the rise and fall of Rome.

The barbarians have pretty much moved in and now the government wants to give them citizenship for fighting in the army = direct parallel.
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Except for the 50 years versus hundreds...

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When the Roman Empire fell, the World as plunged in to the dark ages. Think about that for a second.
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The barbarians have pretty much moved in and now the government wants to give them citizenship for fighting in the army = direct parallel.
Funny. seems that the barbarians have always been there. In fact, if you go and grab some stats, the people in the US that cause more of the problems, have been there for quite some time, and are not crossing the borders today.
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That's a bit scary really.....
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Yess the fall of Rome was afluence, Americans are not interested in families as they used to be. Nowhere close to imigrants and the size of their families.
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It'd be more of a direct parallel if we were doing it with the Iraquis as we plant U.S. flags in their country and march on Iran and offer the same to them.

For Romans, the offer of citizenship was a means of incorporating different conquered peoples with greater ease.

In our case, I'm not really sure what it is.
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It'd be more of a direct parallel if we were doing it with the Iraquis as we plant U.S. flags in their country and march on Iran and offer the same to them.

For Romans, the offer of citizenship was a means of incorporating different conquered peoples with greater ease.

In our case, I'm not really sure what it is.
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When the Roman Empire fell, the World as plunged in to the dark ages. Think about that for a second.
We're already there...
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Too bad Dubya can't play a fiddle... for he has certainly fiddled while rome has burned.
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It'd be more of a direct parallel if we were doing it with the Iraquis as we plant U.S. flags in their country and march on Iran and offer the same to them.

For Romans, the offer of citizenship was a means of incorporating different conquered peoples with greater ease.

In our case, I'm not really sure what it is.
Ahhh, the Romans. Now there's a civilization that knew how to pacify conquered people.
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No doubt.

Our citizens are more concerned with entertainment than the barbarians at the gate.

GWB gets it. The danger of radical Islam cannot be overestimated. They already have murdered thousands of US citizens in 9/11 and their other attacks. The Islamofascists have declared their intentions to up the ante and nuke a US city --and they will, sooner or later. It is only a question of "when." Unfortuneately, it will take that to wake up most people.

Most GFYers don't get it.
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GWB gets it. The danger of radical Islam cannot be overestimated. They already have murdered thousands of US citizens in 9/11 and their other attacks. The Islamofascists have declared their intentions to up the ante and nuke a US city --and they will, sooner or later. It is only a question of "when." Unfortuneately, it will take that to wake up most people.
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Just the opposite is true!

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No doubt.

Our citizens are more concerned with entertainment than the barbarians at the gate.

GWB gets it. The danger of radical Islam cannot be overestimated. They already have murdered thousands of US citizens in 9/11 and their other attacks. The Islamofascists have declared their intentions to up the ante and nuke a US city --and they will, sooner or later. It is only a question of "when." Unfortuneately, it will take that to wake up most people.

Most GFYers don't get it.
You are spot on. It's just Bread and Circuses all over again, the method the Romans used to control the public is being used on US citizens again 2000 years later

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Our citizens are more concerned with entertainment than the barbarians at the gate.

GWB gets it. The danger of radical Islam cannot be overestimated. They already have murdered thousands of US citizens in 9/11 and their other attacks. The Islamofascists have declared their intentions to up the ante and nuke a US city --and they will, sooner or later. It is only a question of "when." Unfortuneately, it will take that to wake up most people.

Most GFYers don't get it.
Is this the same radical Islam that was your ally against the Russians? That you funded, trained and armed?

Sounds like your government makes the problems not solves them
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You are spot on. It's just Bread and Circuses all over again, the method the Romans used to control the public is being used on US citizens again 2000 years later

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Sounds like your government makes the problems not solves them
Ya' hit that nail square on the head.
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Is this the same radical Islam that was your ally against the Russians? That you funded, trained and armed?

Sounds like your government makes the problems not solves them

You see I posted the same a week after 9/11 and they fools wanted to put me on antiamerican blacklist. The sad part is that even now what you said is new info to many.
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The barbarians have pretty much moved in and now the government wants to give them citizenship for fighting in the army = direct parallel.
don't forget the part where the once great empire implodes and becomes nothing

won't be long now
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Sounds like your government makes the problems not solves them
yes.

the exact same one.

its a great strategy,
train and arm your future enemies,
that way you know how they fight,
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If only the US government had a crystal ball.

If you have one, first pick me some winning lottery numbers.

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No crystal ball needed when the largest exporter of arms on the planet does not consider these arms could/would be used against them. Export shit, get shit back.
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The really sick part is that after a US city gets nuked, the Democrats will blame the Republicans for it.

Anybody with half a brain will realize that one root cause was traitorous Democrat partisan politics. We were divided, when we should have stood together.

Just like the peaceniks almost gave Europe to Hitler, we are doomed to a similar fate.
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The really sick part is that after a US city gets nuked, the Democrats will blame the Republicans for it.

Anybody with half a brain will realize that one root cause was traitorous Democrat partisan politics. We were divided, when we should have stood together.

Just like the peaceniks almost gave Europe to Hitler, we are doomed to a similar fate.


Jeez... propaganda is alive and well - it just moved from Russia to the US.
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actually, they'll blame each other and then while we're all wallowing in post apocalyptic misery, they will sleep in comfy beds and drink expensive wine.
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The really sick part is that after a US city gets nuked, the Democrats will blame the Republicans for it.

Anybody with half a brain will realize that one root cause was traitorous Democrat partisan politics. We were divided, when we should have stood together.

Just like the peaceniks almost gave Europe to Hitler, we are doomed to a similar fate.
You must watch Fox 24/7
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