Pornopat

Oh baby I do read but I dont take everything I read for granted. Do you?
Pages can be changed.
The original gallery could be changed or maybe just the signup page. I checked after reading. Did you?
Did you check cached versions? Did you check the domain? Did you check Alexa? Neh I think you just read this thread. Did you also find out they have a secondary biller called segpay?

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The important thing is that the traffic was never delivered to TMC, hence the importance of the server stats. Traffic can arrive to a paysite all day long without referral codes and it would still make money for the site owner.

And this is under the assumption that the correct server stats were shown.

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tmc_producer

I am fully agree with you and that's why I did 2 things

1) I have tried to search for an affiliate with the name or email or other info that Sarah gave me and nothing came up.

2) I have searched for any NEW affiliate sending MORE traffic and even here NO LUCK of course as the site have had ABSOLUTELY NO INCREASE OF TRAFFIC DURING THE LAST MONTHS (repeated many times)


LET'S repeat it once again: IF an affilaite would have bought 16k of spots AN HUGE AMOUNT he would have sent TONS more of traffic!!! Once again there is NO SIGN of increase of traffic AT ALL! Same for the sales
We have not bene working on teh old sites liek teenstarsmagazine as we are workign hard to relaunch the program in about 3 or 4 weeks.
Then we will work like crazy to promote it and get some traffic.

Liek I wrote before I have already talked with CCbill asking to chime in and confirm what I say.

Other then that if someone wants still accouse us just to support marc then go on. Don't worry I really don't care.

I have colaborated to help them as much as I could!

Here is my conversation between me and SARAH of GTS. This was the very first time I talked with her.
The first thing that she did was sending me the link to this thread with their accuse agaisnt me.


TheSettler ‎(1.27):
sicnerely I don't really care if someone thinks that I could be using fake credit cards to send traffic to me. If that's what that threas is stating. I never did it and I will never do it.
Sarah - GTS ‎(1.27):
Hi there, we have a HUGE problem, been trying to reach you for a few hours
Sarah - GTS ‎(1.27):
hey listen,
Sarah - GTS ‎(1.27):
I'm wondering if this is an affiliate of yours, and if you can help me get me some info on him
TheSettler ‎(1.28):
of course I can give you ALL the info but I need an ID or SOMETHING TO find him!!
TheSettler ‎(1.28):
I am not Coppeerfiled.
Sarah - GTS ‎(1.28):
one second, I'll get you a copy of his galleries he was using
TheSettler ‎(1.28):
I need an ID
TheSettler ‎(1.28):
not agallery
Sarah - GTS ‎(1.28):
<only teen files .com/tf/abril/01/>
TheSettler ‎(1.29):
why don't you ask to the hosting provider?
Sarah - GTS ‎(1.29):
if you click through that to your site, I can't see an affiliate ID; but at the purchase page there is an account number
Sarah - GTS ‎(1.29):
I wonder if that is your affiliate ID
TheSettler ‎(1.29):
can you give me teh link of the account?
Sarah - GTS ‎(1.30):
we come after YOU because at the end of the day YOU benefit from all of the sales and hold this scammers money
TheSettler ‎(1.30):
the main account ofr ALL the affiliates is 924891
TheSettler ‎(1.30):
ok but what can I do?
Sarah - GTS ‎(1.31):
tell me who your affiliate is, or I'm assuming it was you
Sarah - GTS ‎(1.31):
this was a SHIT load of traffic, you would have been bombarded for the past month
----- then I showed her that there have been NO INCREASE OF TRAFFIC ---
TheSettler ‎(1.31):
tell me how can I find him and I will do it. Or oyu can assume whatever you want. I don't really care
TheSettler ‎(1.31):
HEAR ME NOW
TheSettler ‎(1.31):
OPEN YOUR EARS
TheSettler ‎(1.31):
I AM TIRED OF ALL THIS SHIT THAT IS GOING ON LATELY
TheSettler ‎(1.31):
I DO EVERYTHIGN CLEAN AND STRAIGHT
Sarah - GTS ‎(1.32):
the info we have is "Mark Hartley" [email protected]"
Sarah - GTS ‎(1.32):
domain, "onlyteenfiles.com"
TheSettler ‎(1.32):
ok now i search in the affiliates databases if there is that person
TheSettler ‎(1.32):
why don't you go to the HOSTING PROVIDDERS?!?!?!?!?
Sarah - GTS ‎(1.33):
YOU owe us the money
Sarah - GTS ‎(1.33):
because all sales went to YOU
TheSettler ‎(1.33):
me?!?!?!?!!?
TheSettler ‎(1.33):
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sarah - GTS ‎(1.33):
yup
TheSettler ‎(1.33):
you msut be using HEAVY DRUGS
Sarah - GTS ‎(1.33):
do you know DrinkingHard?
TheSettler ‎(1.34):
no
--------- then after searching in the CCBILL control panel for this phantomatic scammer --------
TheSettler ‎(1.34):
whatever i put in the fields
TheSettler ‎(1.34):
the email you gave me
TheSettler ‎(1.34):
or the name
TheSettler ‎(1.34):
or the fukkign surname
TheSettler ‎(1.34):
it says:
TheSettler ‎(1.34):
* There are no items to display in the current view
Sarah - GTS ‎(1.34):
he is the owner of Gallery Traffic Service, and my husband, and very very upset right now he is going to contact you
TheSettler ‎(1.34):
i am here to COLABORATE but if you still acucse me of somethign that is not true I just joing to block you
TheSettler ‎(1.35):
if he is upset tell him to go to the police
TheSettler ‎(1.35):
so chill down
Sarah - GTS ‎(1.35):
fine we will just ruin your reputation and ban your program from all of our traffic sources
TheSettler ‎(1.35):
or bye
Sarah - GTS ‎(1.36):
what should happen here is you should be telling me which affiliate was all of a sudden sending you mass amounts of traffic in the past month, check the referring sites; teeniefiles, lumberjacklinks, bunnyteens etc
TheSettler ‎(1.37):
I have NOT HAD ANY MASS AMOUTN OF TRAFFIC
Sarah - GTS ‎(1.37):
you should be shutting down his account, and paying us the $14k he owes us


I have been TOO RUDE?!?! LOOOOOOL!!! I have TRIED my best to REMAIN CALM even if she kept accousing me and treating me! And even if she did that I have searched in teh ccbill database and showed her stats and all...

Then marc contacted me:

here is his VERY FIRST MESSAGES he sents to me and the conversation:

DrinkingHard ‎(1.34):
DrinkingHard (5191566) has added you
DrinkingHard ‎(1.35):
we're contacting ccbill and going to ask them to shut you down
DrinkingHard ‎(1.35):
you're done in the industry
DrinkingHard ‎(1.35):
good bye
TheSettler ‎(1.35):
yeah for doign NOTHING?!?!?!
TheSettler ‎(1.38):
AND STRAIGHT
TheSettler ‎(1.37):
I AM ALWAYS CLEAN
TheSettler ‎(1.37):
AND YOU KEEP ACCOUSING ME
TheSettler ‎(1.37):
I DID NOTHING
DrinkingHard ‎(1.37):
you are held accountable for what your affiliates do
TheSettler ‎(1.37):
this is INCREDIBLE
DrinkingHard ‎(1.37):
it
DrinkingHard ‎(1.37):
you profiteered off
DrinkingHard ‎(1.37):
plain and simple
DrinkingHard ‎(1.37):
one of your affiliates (if not you) fucked us
DrinkingHard ‎(1.37):
regardless if we get our money or not
DrinkingHard ‎(1.37):
in this industry
DrinkingHard ‎(1.37):
it doesn't even matter, because we will ruin you
TheSettler ‎(1.36):
bye
TheSettler ‎(1.36):
ok
TheSettler ‎(1.36):
and they will find who that person is
DrinkingHard ‎(1.36):
bye
TheSettler ‎(1.36):
so plea eGO TO THE POLICE
DrinkingHard ‎(1.36):
Fine, our lawyers will be in touch
TheSettler ‎(1.36):
and I did NOTHIGN WRONG
TheSettler ‎(1.36):
I ahev nothign to hide
DrinkingHard ‎(1.35):
we're in touch with them right now
DrinkingHard ‎(1.35):
you better get in touch with ccbill
DrinkingHard ‎(1.35):
we're in touch with them right now
TheSettler ‎(1.36):
I ahev nothign to hide
TheSettler ‎(1.36):
and I did NOTHIGN WRONG
DrinkingHard ‎(1.36):
Fine, our lawyers will be in touch
TheSettler ‎(1.36):
so plea eGO TO THE POLICE
DrinkingHard ‎(1.36):
bye
TheSettler ‎(1.36):
and they will find who that person is
TheSettler ‎(1.36):
ok
TheSettler ‎(1.36):
bye
DrinkingHard ‎(1.37):
it doesn't even matter, because we will ruin you
DrinkingHard ‎(1.37):
in this industry
DrinkingHard ‎(1.37):
regardless if we get our money or not
DrinkingHard ‎(1.37):
one of your affiliates (if not you) fucked us
DrinkingHard ‎(1.37):
plain and simple
DrinkingHard ‎(1.37):
you profiteered off
DrinkingHard ‎(1.37):
it
TheSettler ‎(1.37):
this is INCREDIBLE
DrinkingHard ‎(1.37):
you are held accountable for what your affiliates do
TheSettler ‎(1.37):
I DID NOTHING

I will keep replyng here until will be showed that we are CLEAN.
We want to relaunch TMC the best way and we are workign since 10 months to do that.
We will show how much clean we are and how much support we can give.

tmc_producer

We use SEGPAY for visitors that came to the site without any referral link
If you go to one of the incrimated galleries like
only teen files . com/tf/abril/01/ (remove the spaces between only and teen and files and the dot) you will see that you will reach the CCBILL join page.

BoyAlley

tmc_producer

I can take a screen capture of the converastion and post it as well if someone wants jsut to show it.
Jsut ask it and I will do it no problem.

Ron2k1

Wow that Sarah and Marc are some ignorant assholes!

Martin3

Sara is giving JaneB a run for her money.

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Dirty F

That icq chat is insane. Im starting to believe Mark is a total lunatic living in a fantasy world.

Ron2k1

Even if tmc_producer is the guy who ripped off GTS, then still GTS should be more professional then this.

But I doubt if tmc_producer has anything to do with this scam

rowan

tmc_producer

tmc_producer is an old very bad name created some time ago adn it SOUNDS HORRIBLE! Is there any way to change it? You can call me Steve...

Pornopat

Independent of this Alexa stats back up your words that there has not been an increase of traffic to TMC. So I can only conclude that the traffic did not even reach your tour.
Looks like somebody did jump the gun.

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Dirty F

I seriously dont think ive seen anything like this in my 6 years on gfy.

And even worse, up till THIS point they are STILL blaming him!

Ron2k1

Those icq logs are so sad it's almost funny yes.

BoyAlley

I tell you what. If someone came to me asking for MY HELP finding someone that defrauded THEM, and talked to me like that?

I'd tell them all to go suck an AIDS dick.

The professional way to have handled that would have been a nice, calm phone call explaining the situation, and asking for any assistance that could be provided.

I would then tell them that I can't release any of my affiliates information without a warrant from a judge requiring it, but would be more than happy to protect any and all records related to that affiliate and make sure said records and server logs are preserved in such a way that it can be helpful to law enforcement. I'd also assure them that I'd certainly cooperate with law enforcement in any other way that I could.

I'd even be happy to provide them with the name and number of someone at the FBI's White Collar Crimes Division.

If there WERE no affiliates of mine involved, and they were mistaken, I would calmly tell them so. If they insisted, and then started THREATENING ME demanding that I give them money that I don't owe them, or else they'll "ruin my reputation", I'd tell them to talk to their attorney to have him explain extortion and defamation laws to them.

Just asinine. Who the hell would want their sites to be represented by that type of unprofessional muck-a-muck anyway?

I'm sorry to hear that these traffic brokers were victimized by a white collar criminal, but I'd also hate to see other innocent people victimized as well by their unprofessional handling of the situation.

sake

Unfuckingbelievable. "We will ruin you".

commonsense

If someone threatened my CCBill merchant account I would be PISSED.... way more than you are now. Especially if you didn't do anything wrong. Did CCBill contact you on any of this or was it a hollow threat?


That log was nuts.

commonsense

I'm sensing this thread will be locked shortly.

Dirty F

Im sensing nothing will happen. Mark wont be banned while about 95&#37; of the other people on this board would be banned after page 2 if they didnt take their words back. Also all the bro's will continue to say what a top notch person Mark is with a stand up company.

yys

Talk about a lawyers wet dream

Dirty F

Anybody want to take bets on how much longer retard needs to take his head out of his ass and realize he made a big fucking mistake?

About everyone on this board figured it out by post 30 or so. Mark needs a little longer it seems

commonsense

This thread back fired big time on GTS. If no new revelations are going to be brought forward...

tmc_producer

CCbill didn't contacted me. Instead I have contacted some guys that I know at CCbill explaining them ALL that is going on.
I am sure they will read this thread and maybe even post in it soon just to confirm about the sales maybe!

Ron2k1

If I had some TGP represented at GTS after all this crap i would take it out.

That icq log is the most dirty thing I have ever read here on GFY, you don't want to be represented by idiots like them do you?

Dirty F

Notice how few people tell them they fucked up though?

Imaging me doing this or you? This thread would be hitting page 10 now with people telling me to fuck off.

But as its Mark only a handfull of people arent afraid to say something. The rest is too afraid to be excluded from the broclub.

BoyAlley

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I hope not. This OnlyTeens guy seems like he has done what he can to help and he just seemed to get steam rolled.

I myself am rather surprised at them ICQ discussions.
Goes to show that hardly anyone in this biz has an ounce of intelligence or patience, nor conscience these days. The proper thing to do would have been get with the credit company, get with CCBILL and law enforcement.

What happened here is an old school scam, I figure that most traffic brokers know this gig by now and what to do.

They just want money.
It's like a bad movie.

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Yeah i cant believe you are still being nice and working along tmc_producer.

By now the only response GTS would get from me was from my laywer.

Its also the only responsive they deserve imo.

commonsense

Sad to say that even as shitty as their attitude is, what bothers me more is the poor productivity of the traffic. That 10 sales a day for 16k (their quote) is upsetting.

tmc_producer

it's my way to be... I don't like to be rude. And please don't call me tmc_producer but Steve (my biz name )
Is there any way to change my the name that is shown there?

WiredGuy

After doing a bit of research on this, I get the impression the link on the gallery was in fact switched. if you take a look at this alexa cached version, you'll see:

Actual URL: http://onlyteenfiles.com/tf/abril/01
Cached URL: http://64.213.200.107/cgi-bin/docach...S3NDa xNDIHAA

If you look at the links to the sponsors from these two links, you'll see the second link goes to: http://www.topadult10.com/search.php?aid=71655&q=Teens

The actual page (now) goes to: http://www.teenstarsmagazine.com/proc/?

My guess is that this content was probably ripped from TeenStarsMagazine and was being linked to the PPC search engine. Whoever ripped the site used the stolen CC, made his quick cash with the PPC search engine and when it became apparent the CC was stolen he switched it out to the actual paysite he ripped it from. This is likely why the affiliate program owner had no spike in traffic or sales, the traffic in reality went to the PPC search engine.

I think you should be contacting whoever owns topadult10.com and pass on that affiliate ID and trace who owns that account, that's likely the culprit. It seems that TeenStarsMagazine isn't actually the one who did this.

Hope this helps...
WG

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Ron2k1

I think the maffia could learn something from this, icq is a very safe tool to threaten someone.

datatank

You nailed it. I can see who to contact with 2 clicks.

Martin3

Careful, intelligence and logic are grounds for getting your Bro card yanked.

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TheDoc

Such a pimp.. and damn nice of ya to take time to do hunt that down, I just took the time to post my Disgust across the Internet.

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You'll also notice if you go to the root page of the server (http://www.onlyteenfiles.com/), the same affiliate code is being used:

http://www.lookuplive.com/search.php?aid=71655&q=porno

Seems this guy is ripping sites off and linking his traffic to pay per click search engines. Trace that affiliate ID (71655) to the ppc vendor and I'll bet you'll have the thief.

WG

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candyflip

Mark really has turn into a huge douche since 2007 rolled in. The way he treated Nysus back in the day really was some foreshadowing of things to come.

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BoyAlley

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For the future DrinkingHard you can put a system in place that prevents this sort of thing happening. Its a relatively easy thing to do rather than relie on other sites that look at cached history such as the one WG pointed out.

Your system should keep a log of not only the url to send to but the last time the target page was updated along with a page capture of the updated pages of your clients. You can ping for an update by the hour, by the minute or by the day however you like.

I am really surprised you did not have that in place, if you had this would have had never happened and someone would be in jail for credit card fraud already.

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When I click through to topadult10.com I see a header with bare boobs and a single result:

Forum for Aussie Parents
Great advice and tips on parenting Pregnancy, toddlers, schooling.
Kidspot.com.au

What the... this is an ADULT SEARCH ENGINE right?

With results like this the scammer may have not been making as much as we thought.

Pornopat

You are so much better playing Inspector Clouseau as me. I checked google caches which probably update faster then Alexa caches. I did see the suspicious link on the index but did not come to the right conclusion.

You are teh pimp!

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teomaxxx

these guys are probably same one as these ones:
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=752756
I used to get sometimes to topadult10.com from google blackhat results

they are simply everywhere, seo, tgps, emails, bbs, now even cheating paid traffic sources.
As biskoppen wrote somewhere else, they are biggest affiliaters in adult for sure and none care....

Screaming

fun thread

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candyflip

"Sarah - GTS ‎(1.35):
fine we will just ruin your reputation and ban your program from all of our traffic sources"

What a cunt. Only reputation being ruined is yours.

Doesn't this open them up even more to a lawsuit?

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I actually got lucky, it wasn't in the Google cache, Archive.org, or Altavista. If Alexa didn't cache it, I wouldn't have found it. The webmaster who did this was hoping he'd do his scam as fast as possible and no sites would have stored it in their cache so fast.

Its definitely worth implementing a snapshop system on galleries to make sure anyone who does link switching doesn't try this again. The webmaster who did this seems to have tried the old bait and switch and at the expense of it, put a new webmaster program at risk.
WG

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Dirty F

Be carefull making posts pointing out that Mark is wrong. He doesnt like it.