EpicCash shaving sigups???

[Tempest]

Since pimplydoggydog keeps stating publicly that EpicCash shaves and he said something in another post that indicated it was right in the TOS, I went and read the TOS.

http://epiccash.com/tos.html

2. Commission. You will earn a Commission of Twenty Five to Thirty United State dollars ($25.00-$30.00) for each valid Trial. Epic Cash reserves the right not to pay if more than 40% of trials do not convert to full membership or when if deem the account is fraudulent.

Please clarify.. Is this how you shave signups? If the WMs conversion rate is < 40% and a signup occurs, the WM doesn't get credited for it? If they're above 40% they do? Is their current conversion rate in the stats so they can see when they're going to be credited with sales or if they're not?? Do they see how many sales they weren't credited for along with how many they were?? Or is all of this hidden from the WM?

After all the shit that's Trey pulled in the past years, you'd have to be out of your mind to still send him your signups. Shave or not shave, take your busines elsewhere.

[King Adam]

I stopped sending them traffic awile ago. I don't care for the people that run that program all that much.

Plenty of other solid companies to work with.

[Juilan]

insert timeline pic...

[woj]

interesting find...

[dial]

there are some people on this board that have proof of them shaving, but are too afraid of p1mpdoog to expose epic...LOL...p1mpdogg is a psycho mother fucker, his crazy hand is strong and long

[Sausage]

40% is actually quite a bit more than many programs manage from trial to full. As a minimum its just crazy .... though since they put it in their TOS I'm not entirely sure .... they are blatantly telling you its likely you won't be paid for all your signups.

[Slap Dot]

Sigggggggggggggggg

[bringer]

why dont people read the tos before sending traffic to a sponsor?

[ed146]

thats a wake up call webmasters

[Sausage]

Originally Posted by bringer

why dont people read the tos before sending traffic to a sponsor?

Same reason surfers miss prechecked cross sales.

[p1mpdogg]

that tos is is 4 years old.

say whatever you want, we convert great and pay $35 a sale and we dont even pay attention to the conversion ratios anymore. no need to. our recurring is doing just dandy.

expect for the few problem accounts and shit traffic some affiliates send.

[p1mpdogg]

Originally Posted by Tempest

Since pimplydoggydog keeps stating publicly that EpicCash shaves and he said something in another post that indicated it was right in the TOS, I went and read the TOS.

http://epiccash.com/tos.html

2. Commission. You will earn a Commission of Twenty Five to Thirty United State dollars ($25.00-$30.00) for each valid Trial. Epic Cash reserves the right not to pay if more than 40% of trials do not convert to full membership or when if deem the account is fraudulent.

Please clarify.. Is this how you shave signups? If the WMs conversion rate is < 40% and a signup occurs, the WM doesn't get credited for it? If they're above 40% they do? Is their current conversion rate in the stats so they can see when they're going to be credited with sales or if they're not?? Do they see how many sales they weren't credited for along with how many they were?? Or is all of this hidden from the WM?

that tos is from 4years ago. and infact all sales are posted an acct real time.

when payday comes and your acct is performing abnormally bad to terrible, we will contact the affiliate on an idividual basis and see whats up.

end of story

[p1mpdogg]

Originally Posted by Equinox

After all the shit that's Trey pulled in the past years, you'd have to be out of your mind to still send him your signups. Shave or not shave, take your busines elsewhere.

are you really whoring a design site in your sig?

LOL you came along way in the 4+years i have known you.

haha

what a fucking loser

[jayeff]

Originally Posted by bringer

why dont people read the tos before sending traffic to a sponsor?

While this thread is about a very specific issue, a problem even for those who do read the terms is that they often include common but vague rules which are interpreted reasonably by some sponsors and used to beat affiliates over the head by others. In fact given that 40% is closer to a realistic maximum than a reasonable minimum, I would guess that even this rule is "discretionary".

Another consideration is that I have been doing this for 10 years and - apart from the flurry of activity about spam emailing a year or two back - it would be very optimistic to say I have had even a dozen notifications of TOS changes. I seriously doubt that is more than a small fraction of the number of sponsors who have updated their terms. So exactly how often are we supposed to check for revisions?

It's quite a while since there has been a major blowup about TOS being used as an arbitrary excuse for blocking payments, but I am sure a lot here can remember some well-known sponsors being involved in such disputes.

[p1mpdogg]

btw, i will have that tos updated.. it probably hasnt been looked at and gone through in a long ass time. just like every other programs tos that you will find outdated thats been around for awhile.

[p1mpdogg]

TOS updated

thanks for your concern on the matter. now hire equinox to design you agallery and send me your traffic heh

Originally Posted by p1mpdogg

LOL you came along way in the 4+years i have known you.

Ditto, my friend, ditto.

Originally Posted by p1mpdogg

TOS updated

thanks for your concern on the matter. now hire equinox to design you agallery and send me your traffic heh

If you actually read what it says, you'd learn that it's not my site. The sig's a favor for a friend... not sure if you still engage in favors for others, but I do.

[p1mpdogg]

Originally Posted by Equinox

If you actually read what it says, you'd learn that it's not my site. The sig's a favor for a friend... not sure if you still engage in favors for others, but I do.

anytime i see your name i just think of you as that little pissant from way back when.

no time for you anymore. some do and some dont.. you didnt.

[marketsmart]

personally, i dont care for the way trey handles business in certain cases. but, here's the great thing about business. i dont have to do business with anyone i dont want to do business with. if you dont like the way epic does business or their tos (whatever it may be) then dont do business with them. thats your choice and right...

i however, make my own business decisions and dont take too much credence when it comes to forukm posts. i will try a program for myself and make a decision based on what best for "my business.

at the end of the day a programs results either work for me or they dont..

btw, i am just voicing my opinion here and not supporting or discrediting epic or any program for that matter here....

[p1mpdogg]

Originally Posted by marketsmart

personally, i dont care for the way trey handles business in certain cases. but, here's the great thing about business. i dont have to do business with anyone i dont want to do business with. if you dont like the way epic does business or their tos (whatever it may be) then dont do business with them. thats your choice and right...

i however, make my own business decisions and dont take too much credence when it comes to forukm posts. i will try a program for myself and make a decision based on what best for "my business.

at the end of the day a programs results either work for me or they dont..

btw, i am just voicing my opinion here and not supporting or discrediting epic or any program for that matter here....

how the hell do you know how i conduct business?

do you think for a split second that we would still be around if i wasnt a good businessman? come on

are you one of those that think GFY is the tell all of how business is done?

this is my playground. the real shit gets done behind the scenes. get a clue

[pocketkangaroo]

I don't think there is a chance in hell they shave. I know that what they say on the board is controversial, but they are a big legitimate business. Shaving a few sales which could destroy their reputation and business is just not worth it.

They've also stated that you can test sales if you let them know afterwards. I do this with almost every sponsor. If you have a question about it, I'd suggest testing with a few credit cards and letting them know.

[J.R.]

very well said,

[xlogger]

Every one says epic cash sucks, they will sink, dont send traffic to them. They are still here and still are one of the biggest programs around. They have to be doing something right.

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by ed146

thats a wake up call webmasters

Indeed !!

[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by xlogger

Every one says epic cash sucks, they will sink, dont send traffic to them. They are still here and still are one of the biggest programs around. They have to be doing something right.

It comes down to making money for people. Lets face it, you can be the coolest guy on the boards, buy everyone drinks at shows, help baby seals from being clubbed, but if your shit doesn't make webmasters money, you'll be out of business soon.

Whether you like them or not, if they make people money, people will continue to use them. I can't stand a lot of shit Google does, but there is no fucking way I'm going to drop Adsense from my mainstream sites in favor of YPN and make less money.

[marketsmart]

Originally Posted by p1mpdogg

how the hell do you know how i conduct business?

do you think for a split second that we would still be around if i wasnt a good businessman? come on

are you one of those that think GFY is the tell all of how business is done?

this is my playground. the real shit gets done behind the scenes. get a clue

i am reffering to old drama you stirred up about a friend of mine. it doesnt matter. anyway, yes i am one of those people that base my business decisions on how you handle yourself here or on any forum. you can judge me any way you want by that, but thats how i am. yes, you have a successful business and you obviously do know how to do business. it's a shame that you let forum bravado cost you potential business deals with people that feel the same way i do. i dont know you and i have nothing against you or epic, i was merely stating how i felt when it comes to doing business and whether you agree or not i was actually supporting you in a round about way in my thread....

[p1mpdogg]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

It comes down to making money for people. Lets face it, you can be the coolest guy on the boards, buy everyone drinks at shows, help baby seals from being clubbed, but if your shit doesn't make webmasters money, you'll be out of business soon.

Whether you like them or not, if they make people money, people will continue to use them. I can't stand a lot of shit Google does, but there is no fucking way I'm going to drop Adsense from my mainstream sites in favor of YPN and make less money.

bingo

i think Tempests thread backfired on her

[p1mpdogg]

Originally Posted by marketsmart

i am reffering to old drama you stirred up about a friend of mine. it doesnt matter. anyway, yes i am one of those people that base my business decisions on how you handle yourself here or on any forum. you can judge me any way you want by that, but thats how i am. yes, you have a successful business and you obviously do know how to do business. it's a shame that you let forum bravado cost you potential business deals with people that feel the same way i do. i dont know you and i have nothing against you or epic, i was merely stating how i felt when it comes to doing business and whether you agree or not i was actually supporting you in a round about way in my thread....

its your loss for not seeing past the bullshit. its your decission ofcoarse, i really dont care.

piece of advice tho.

In business there is always someone you are going to hate. Someone you loathe. A presence you despise yet you will have no choice but todo business with them.

maybe not with me, but it will happen. you are only hurting yourself sadly. not me.

odds are you are already sending one of my programs traffic lol

so no worries.

one more note

do you think its a personal principle that you dont send me traffic? is it keeping you awake at night tormenting you because you might be supporting something you didnt want to support?

now ask yourself this. do you think the guy next to you gives a shit about your decission? in the end its money that drives us all, atleast i hope so. dont tell me most of you enjoy this. the hiding behind your internet marketing facade and the inability to fess up to your peers and be honest about the secret life you lead.

ive said this 100 times on here. where there is one person that wont promote me, there is 10 that will.

again, its your loss and your wallet that suffers. not me.

[georgeyw]

Originally Posted by Equinox

After all the shit that's Trey pulled in the past years, you'd have to be out of your mind to still send him your signups. Shave or not shave, take your busines elsewhere.

Equinox - can you hit me up on icq pls 346599070

[Degenerate]

Originally Posted by p1mpdogg

how the hell do you know how i conduct business?

do you think for a split second that we would still be around if i wasnt a good businessman? come on

are you one of those that think GFY is the tell all of how business is done?

this is my playground. the real shit gets done behind the scenes. get a clue

I'm only good for 5-6 joins a day, TOTAL, but one day, someday soon I hope, I will be sending a dozen, and then 6 months from then 25, and hopefully after a year 100 a day.

I will never send to any program you are working for or with, or own. You are an asshole. Period. There are too many other people that have respect for people, don't act like pricks, and are honest.

You are just a dick.

[marketsmart]

Originally Posted by p1mpdogg

its your loss for not seeing past the bullshit. its your decission ofcoarse, i really dont care.

piece of advice tho.

In business there is always someone you are going to hate. Someone you loathe. A presence you despise yet you will have no choice but todo business with them.

maybe not with me, but it will happen. you are only hurting yourself sadly. not me.

odds are you are already sending one of my programs traffic lol

so no worries.

one more note

do you think its a personal principle that you dont send me traffic? is it keeping you awake at night tormenting you because you might be supporting something you didnt want to support?

now ask yourself this. do you think the guy next to you gives a shit about your decission? in the end its money that drives us all, atleast i hope so. dont tell me most of you enjoy this. the hiding behind your internet marketing facade and the inability to fess up to your peers and be honest about the secret life you lead.

ive said this 100 times on here. where there is one person that wont promote me, there is 10 that will.

again, its your loss and your wallet that suffers. not me.

did i ever say i dont do business with you or wont consider doing business with you? you are your own worst enemy. i just posted that i was in your corner on this thread and as usual you have to respond with a "defend myself" post.

a note to you:

i dont give a shit about how "my" decisions effect or dont effect the next guy. you are right, i make my decisions based on money just like any other person does. and the secret life i lead? what is that supposed to mean? is that how you defend yourself? with insults to anyone who doesn't kiss your ass?

[Degenerate]

Originally Posted by p1mpdogg

ive said this 100 times on here. where there is one person that wont promote me, there is 10 that will.

... and I think you have those numbers backwards.

[p1mpdogg]

Originally Posted by Degenerate

I'm only good for 5-6 joins a day, TOTAL, but one day, someday soon I hope, I will be sending a dozen, and then 6 months from then 25, and hopefully after a year 100 a day.

I will never send to any program you are working for or with, or own. You are an asshole. Period. There are too many other people that have respect for people, don't act like pricks, and are honest.

You are just a dick.

lol

good luck reaching that 10 a day milestone. sadly i wont be here anymore when you hit 100 a day. i will be retired and living a pretty good damn life

[Degenerate]

Originally Posted by p1mpdogg

lol

good luck reaching that 10 a day milestone. sadly i wont be here anymore when you hit 100 a day. i will be retired and living a pretty good damn life

yet... you will still be a dick. A rich dick, but still a dick.

[p1mpdogg]

Originally Posted by marketsmart

did i ever say i dont do business with you or wont consider doing business with you? you are your own worst enemy. i just posted that i was in your corner on this thread and as usual you have to respond with a "defend myself" post.

a note to you:

i dont give a shit about how "my" decisions effect or dont effect the next guy. you are right, i make my decisions based on money just like any other person does. and the secret life i lead? what is that supposed to mean? is that how you defend yourself? with insults to anyone who doesn't kiss your ass?

its actually a post bot that picks out keywords and replies accordingly. id have my programmers fix the bot, but they are busy fixing the shave machine.

[p1mpdogg]

Originally Posted by Degenerate

yet... you will still be a dick. A rich dick, but still a dick.

is there any other kind?


god i love stupid newbies

[WiredGuy]

Almost every program has this, its just Epic Cash that quantified the number. If you're traffic is not upgrading to full members, the sponsor program will either close your account or put you on a revshare basis. 40% is just Epic's magic number to determine when a WM account isn't profitable.
WG

[PussyTeenies]

sig spot? :D

[dtoolbox]

i'm wondering what's the next issue to come out when this is done

[dtoolbox]

oh btw... yes sig spot

[circlekhabib]

how the hell do you know how i conduct business?

you sold out to acacia.
that's all one needs to know.
for those that think 99.9% of pps don't shave
buwaahahahaha
sheep
baaa at ya ltrz

[mOrrI]

Interresting thread :S

[spacedog]

Originally Posted by p1mpdogg

its actually a post bot that picks out keywords and replies accordingly. id have my programmers fix the bot, but they are busy fixing the shave machine.

too funny..

[circlekhabib]

accepting spam mail and don't won't nor wouldn't shave?
http://yofFhtQ.cnasjv.com
buwahahahahaha

baaaaaa
at ya ltrz
soon as i forward this email to spamcop

[Screaming]

Originally Posted by p1mpdogg

that tos is is 4 years old.

say whatever you want, we convert great and pay $35 a sale and we dont even pay attention to the conversion ratios anymore. no need to. our recurring is doing just dandy.

expect for the few problem accounts and shit traffic some affiliates send.

bull fucking shit

i can get 3 or 4 people in here right now that will clearly say that youve used that in the past to not pay them.

if you send epic cam traffic, and the joins dont upsell then PD dont pay you. simple as that.

like youve got some control over what they do.

Originally Posted by georgeyw

Equinox - can you hit me up on icq pls 346599070

My ICQ's being queer. Hit me up @ 155421

[OldSchoolJim]

Tempest.....still touchy are we? bigger folks than you have tried to take epicdown and have failed miserably....your attempts are feeble at best....

Our terms have been there for years.....nothing new......

If Epiccash is such a cheater...how come i have icq's every day from affiliates looking for someone to pay some shitty sponsor who did not pay them?

we pay and always pay unless someone fucks up.....

bull fucking shit

i can get 3 or 4 people in here right now that will clearly say that youve used that in the past to not pay them.

if you send epic cam traffic, and the joins dont upsell then PD dont pay you. simple as that.

Screaming...i suggest you let the bigboys play and get back to the kitchen.....

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by J.R.

very well said,

at least epic pays out unlike boobdollars