baddog

You just figured that out?

Pleasurepays

this has nothing to do with freedom of speech. an Iranian citizen has no such rights in this country.

it would be nice for once if some of you tards would try to understand what freedom of speech is before commenting on it or trying to throw any and all speech or expression under one massive and non-existent umbrella

there are endless limits on what one can and can't say, where they can say it, how they can say it, whether or not they need a permit to do so etc. so yeah, its not unusual for a total whack job on the state depts list of state sponsors of terror who has made an endless number of highly offensive and insensitive remarks, one of which is denying the holocaust to give a speech at ground zero to the entire world for his own political gain and to pander to arab countries and his own fanatic base at home.

just like no one is going to get a permit to hold a rally at Martin Luther King Memorial Park in Seattle on the subject of why all hahahahahahas should be wiped off the face of the earth.

some would consider this to be common sense and a matter of not only a highly sensitive political issue but a simple matter of common decency and civility and respect... but i guess when you have no sense, it would be expected to pass over your heads.

maybe Bush should go to Auschwitz and talk about what caused Germans to exterminate Jews and how the numbers are inflated and how the holocaust might not have existed at all??? right? i mean thats the type of "freedom of speech" you guys are trying to defend.

just a punk

Because it will be awkwardly to bomb his country after that

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sortie

FREEDOM OF SPEECH MEANS FREEDOM TO HEAR SOMEONE SPEAK.

The reason some people want to hear the speech is so they can compare what they hear from him to the angry rants by you and determine what the truth is themselves.

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sortie

Finally the real answer!

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JuiceMonkey

this just in... posting on a forum isn't going to change anyones opinions...

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Pleasurepays

are you fucking retarded? freedom of speech means freedom to express ones views. ... namely in referrence to politics/government

you have the right to hear someone say all blacks need to be hung. you DON'T have the right to publically say it. get it? there is no such thing as "freedom to hear someone say something" as there is no restriction on hearing something.

jesus christ. we need to burn down our public schools and start over... or pass legislation requiring MTV and Xbox to include basic educational elements.

Porn Farmer

Seriously, you're a fucking idiot.

He is going there to pay his respects and lay a wreath, not dance on anyone's grave. His country had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11. There is no good reason why he shouldn't be allowed to do so.

You make less sense the more you post. You're a poster child for the abject failure of the US education system.

Rochard

Last week this man gave a speech in which he said "Iran is a peaceful nation". In that same speech he said "We will not rest until the Jews no longer exist".

Hilter detailed his plan in a book, and then followed through on it. As he rose to power no one thought to stop him. (I'm currently reading "The rise and fall of the Third Reich" so this is fresh in my mind.) Instead everyone sat back and said "Nah, he won't do it". Today we call this "Appeasement".

Ahmadinejad has said more than once that Iran plans on wiping out the Jews. After he says this over and over again..... Get the point?

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sortie

What good is it to express your views if noone can listen to them?

Well at least we know you never attended the local KKK rally.

Let's see, a religous reference and the advocating of burnning books in the same post. Nothing alarmist or extremist here...


$500 Billion, 3700 dead and 30,000 disabled military people might make one wonder if it would have been a good idea to let Sadam have a few more public words before we went over there. I doubt he could have told any bigger lies than the ones we actually got to hear.

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Pleasurepays

ok kids... i know you don't get it... but let me clue you in again in the hope that one day in teh future you will.

ITS POLITICAL

HIS VISIT IS POLITICAL

HIS REQUEST WAS PURELY POLITICAL

DENYING HIM TO GO TO GROUND ZERO TO LAY A WREATH IS POLITICAL

HE KNEW HE WOULD BE DENIED THAT BEFORE HE REQUESTED IT AND THAT WAS A POLITICAL TACTIC

JUST LIKE IRAN DENYING US AID OFFERS AFTER A MASSIVE EARTHQUAKE A YEARS AGO WAS POLITICAL (who cares if a few citizens die... right? politics has nothing to do with it!)

etc etc etc etc etc.

no... please go back to your Halo 3 demo or watching crappy reality TV shows so adults can talk.

2012

They aren't going to give him special treatment , but he can stand across the street just like everyone else.
Just like he can't meet with the president. That would give him more respect then he deserves ...

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Pleasurepays

its 100% irrelevant to your assertion that you have some sort of inalienable right to be "heard". you are making a weak leap in logic to support an argument that is totally backwards.


as for your other ignorant remarks... hate speech is illegal everywhere... but being the dipshit that you are, incapable of making any sort of defensible argument, i wouldn't have expected you to acknowledge that simple fact.

the rest of course was pure sarcasm making fun of you, but since you have nothing of substance to say, you chose to attack it as if it was some sort of heart felt belief and went further to babble about the war as if thats what the discussion is about.

blah blah blah.

jesus.. our education system is a total embarassment

Pleasurepays

your right. heads of state just walk around like tourists... just like everyone else.

no special treatment required.

gadabout

Have any of you saying it is disrespectful to the families of 9/11 actually talked to most of the families. You would not be saying that if you did. There are a lot of them involved in the 9/11 truth movement.

This is just the trying to make Ahmadinejad look worse then he is again.

count of monte cristo

here is the issue, i think i figured it out. it would be practical to hear both sides for yourself.

however, iran is a tense subject and tensions are high about it, and sometimes that overrides logic and pragmatism

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count of monte cristo

i love this administration, "you cant come to my party"

The Iranian leader also would not be attending the president's reception for fellow world leaders at his hotel in the evening.

"Lost in the mail," Perino said of Ahmandinejad's invitation.

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yys

Here's a good quote from the President of Columbia University yesterday that goes to the heart of why he shouldn't be allowed at ground zero; the bold text being exactly why he wished to go there.

He fits the first description and this thread is full of the latter!

mistergardener

US Paranoia on the run....

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Dollarmansteve

He's not American nor does he believe in freedom, so fuck him.

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Quagmire

Thats not quite true. He has stated that he wants to wipe Israel off the map, not exterminate the Jews.

It depends on how you want to read/listen to his statement.

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