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Barefootsies · 11-23-2007, 06:04 PM

50 free loading faggots

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

having data and prefferences of millions of people is an incredible power..

true dat

mineistaken · 11-23-2007, 06:27 PM

more and more free porn....

Makaveli · 11-23-2007, 06:34 PM

its all the same.... shitty traffic that doesnt lead too many sales... just more dick pullers wasting bw.

cosis · 11-23-2007, 06:42 PM

they just look like a big paysite but none of the membership fee's.

Barefootsies · 11-23-2007, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Makaveli

its all the same.... shitty traffic that doesnt lead too many sales... just more dick pullers wasting bw.

kenny · 11-23-2007, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

That is why you routinely do random searches for your stuff. Then hit the tubes with a C&D.

I am working with my attorney to get even tougher on those who repeatedly take full length videos and post them. I do not care about the 20-30 second samples. But clips that are 10 minutes in length, and posting a whole series is ridiculous.

Luckily the megauploads, and rapidshares remove things within 48 hours of being contacted. Youtube/Google has removed our videos as well, and provided a tool for me to use to get things removed immediately. You have to fill out a legal C&D for them to have on file, then you get the tool.

Thats nice you have to serve a C&D for a tool used to maintenance their site for them.

Something is wrong with that picture..

will76 · 11-23-2007, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Pornwolf

The tube sites are just a really really bad idea. Guys saw YouTube and said, "This is the wave of the future!"

Unfortuntaely the idiots didn't take into consideration that YouTube's mainstream biz model doesn't have to be monetized the same way. A video of a cat farting isn't meant to upsell Catfarting.com.

This trend just goes to show how little business sense a lot of guys that are in this business actually have.

this point is very true. People saw youtube copied it and failed to realize that the only thing you can upsell on a porn site is.... porn. The only possible thing in porn you can upsell on a tube site is cams and dating. So you are very very limited on how you can make money from a porn tube vs a mainstream tube. The whole tube model is setup to make money off of selling ads.

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Originally Posted by Pornwolf

We've seen sky is falling scenarios many times in the history of the biz but I think this is one of those watershed moments for real this time.

The sky is falling for Traditional picture and video membership sites. Sites that offer no live cam or interaction with it's users. Also TGPs will be done in 1 - 2 years. Less people visit them and even less will be signing up to the galleries listed there. Sure some people are making money with them now, but as time goes on that will be less and less. As the people buying the links on tgps make less money, the cost of those spots will be reduced.

The rest of porn is fine. If you own a cam site or dating, sell sex toys, etc... If you own a site that has interaction with the members. These sites will be fine.

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Originally Posted by crockett

You do realize most of these "tube" sites can't even afford their own bandwidth bills..

Besides that sponsor approved tube sites lack what makes real tube site popular. The surfer can't upload videos.

A sponsor who only uses their own videos and only shows video clips that are a couple minutes long is basically providing the same things as a mgp. Instead of 4, 30 second clips from the same scene, they let people see the whole 2 minutes in 1 clip. Same thing, they just trying to call it a " tube site".

will76 · 11-23-2007, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by $5 submissions

Change is in the air

news groups -> tgps -> tube sites ?

Barefootsies · 11-23-2007, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

news groups -> tgps -> tube sites ?

-> McDonalds Fry Cook?

tony286 · 11-23-2007, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

this point is very true. People saw youtube copied it and failed to realize that the only thing you can upsell on a porn site is.... porn. The only possible thing in porn you can upsell on a tube site is cams and dating. So you are very very limited on how you can make money from a porn tube vs a mainstream tube. The whole tube model is setup to make money off of selling ads.

The sky is falling for Traditional picture and video membership sites. Sites that offer no live cam or interaction with it's users. Also TGPs will be done in 1 - 2 years. Less people visit them and even less will be signing up to the galleries listed there. Sure some people are making money with them now, but as time goes on that will be less and less. As the people buying the links on tgps make less money, the cost of those spots will be reduced.

The rest of porn is fine. If you own a cam site or dating, sell sex toys, etc... If you own a site that has interaction with the members. These sites will be fine.

A sponsor who only uses their own videos and only shows video clips that are a couple minutes long is basically providing the same things as a mgp. Instead of 4, 30 second clips from the same scene, they let people see the whole 2 minutes in 1 clip. Same thing, they just trying to call it a " tube site".

You keep forgetting one thing, no membership sites, alot less content to giveaway for free. The more expensive production costs the less people will do it. Their model is based on lots of new free porn to giveaway.

Lamis · 11-23-2007, 07:56 PM

You are really confused... You can't compare tgps with tube sites..

And tube sites from sponsors are nosense sites, because they only post their own clips and give no chance to the submitter to post.

RealAdult Ashley · 11-24-2007, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ro8in

Launched one today

www.cumcow.com

Do you host this on cube share?

Megafoo · 11-24-2007, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

O realy?I took you time to realize that.But i belive tgp/mgp sites will still have more traffic beacuse of trade system plus webmasters which doing such sites have good seo skills.After all almost all major keywords on google leads to such sites.Also,i belive ilegall tube sites getting their traffic mostly from warez sites/forums and not from search engines so question is how quality is their traffic.

Thats just pathetic, you actually bring up a key reason why the tube sites are getting so popular. The TGP trading system is just a revised circle jerk. 10 MILLION TGPs out there blind linking the hell out of 90% of their galleries sending them to another site. People get tired of that shit. Click on a big picture of a nice shaven beaver and you expect to be sent to a gallery of nice shaven beaver, instead they get sent to a bbw site with lousy thumbnails.

Tube sites are the future. Only because of the stupid business models us adult webmasters use in our current websites are pissing off all our visitors.

Barefootsies · 11-24-2007, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Megafoo

Tube sites are the future. Only because of the stupid business models us adult webmasters use in our current websites are pissing off all our visitors.

fishbone · 11-24-2007, 11:11 AM

tube sites do not produce content. they dont really sell sites, which pay content providers to make content, so if tube sites kill paysites, then who is gonna pay the content guys and girls to produce? just trying to follow the chain all the way back down.

xmas13 · 11-24-2007, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

having data and prefferences of millions of people is an incredible power..

You mean sexual preferences of millions of Saudis, Chinese and Nigerians?

Emil · 11-24-2007, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by fishbone

tube sites do not produce content. they dont really sell sites, which pay content providers to make content, so if tube sites kill paysites, then who is gonna pay the content guys and girls to produce? just trying to follow the chain all the way back down.

Tube sites is more like hyenas.

Klen · 11-24-2007, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Megafoo

Thats just pathetic, you actually bring up a key reason why the tube sites are getting so popular. The TGP trading system is just a revised circle jerk. 10 MILLION TGPs out there blind linking the hell out of 90% of their galleries sending them to another site. People get tired of that shit. Click on a big picture of a nice shaven beaver and you expect to be sent to a gallery of nice shaven beaver, instead they get sent to a bbw site with lousy thumbnails.

Tube sites are the future. Only because of the stupid business models us adult webmasters use in our current websites are pissing off all our visitors.

You can be secure on my sites i only send to sites with same/similar content and quality thumbs so you dont need to worry.

SomeCreep · 11-24-2007, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Megafoo

Thats just pathetic, you actually bring up a key reason why the tube sites are getting so popular. The TGP trading system is just a revised circle jerk. 10 MILLION TGPs out there blind linking the hell out of 90% of their galleries sending them to another site. People get tired of that shit. Click on a big picture of a nice shaven beaver and you expect to be sent to a gallery of nice shaven beaver, instead they get sent to a bbw site with lousy thumbnails.

Tube sites are the future.

I agree with this statement, in that Tube sites offer the surfer, not only higher quality content and more of it, but also a better surfing experience. If Tube sites are able to profit from such a business model, then TGPs and MGPs will see a steady decline in traffic over the long run.

Arkantiger · 11-24-2007, 12:53 PM

tube sites = a site mostly of free loaders who leech so much and cost the site a fuckload in b\w bills.

V_RocKs · 11-24-2007, 01:13 PM

Millions to be made!

slapass · 11-24-2007, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by fishbone

tube sites do not produce content. they dont really sell sites, which pay content providers to make content, so if tube sites kill paysites, then who is gonna pay the content guys and girls to produce? just trying to follow the chain all the way back down.

This seems to be the bad end of this. TGP's and MPG's did change the system and less people bought memberships. We see this in our ratios over the years. But they still sold porn.

IF the paysites can keep there content off the big tubes maybe we can all keep doing what we are doing but if they can't, who is going to pay to see what they just saw for free?

will76 · 11-24-2007, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

You keep forgetting one thing, no membership sites, alot less content to giveaway for free. The more expensive production costs the less people will do it. Their model is based on lots of new free porn to giveaway.

There is enough free porn on the net right now to last generations, even if another porn video or content was never made again. There will be no short supply of porn and if someone started watching the porn that was out there now they could spend a lifetime watching and never see it all.

The " if people stop paying for memberships, the sites will go out of business and no one will produce new porn" argument I don't think matters at all in the big picture of things.

Juicy D. Links · 11-24-2007, 06:10 PM

most of the out of box tube sites can be hacked in 2 secs

word

PPjohn · 11-24-2007, 06:28 PM

Harder to make money with the tube sites, i believe

will76 · 11-24-2007, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by fishbone

tube sites do not produce content. they dont really sell sites, which pay content providers to make content, so if tube sites kill paysites, then who is gonna pay the content guys and girls to produce? just trying to follow the chain all the way back down.

see my post above #73

will76 · 11-24-2007, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by PPjohn

Harder to make money with the tube sites, i believe

hell yeah, especially if you want to run a legal one. You have to buy content to use on your own site. If you allow members to submit content you will run into legal problems, not wise imo.

Now you are hosting the content, you pay out the ass for bandwidth.

You can't upsell to membership sites since that is the content you giving away for free. All you can advertise is cams, dating, and toy sales.

Oh and you still need to get traffic to the site

Think of all the people who tried to start TGPS and all they had to do was plug in FHGs and send traffic and they couldnt get that done. Now these same people are going to try to start tube sites because " tubes" are the popular word of the day.

ProjectNaked · 11-24-2007, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

However, here is the problem for people who own membership sites that consist of just pictures and videos...

1. Bandwidth: The tube site hosts all the videos and the videos are much longer, their bandwidth will go through the roof. TGPS, all they do is host links and push the bandwidth cost back to the submiters.

I'm not reading through this thread tonight - as I am heading out the door, but...sponsor sites will be offering free hosted tube videos on an invite policy.

CarlosTheGaucho · 11-25-2007, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by xmas13

You mean sexual preferences of millions of Saudis, Chinese and Nigerians?

Have you ever heard about a site called YouTuBe ?

SmokeyTheBear · 11-25-2007, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

Also,i belive ilegall tube sites getting their traffic mostly from warez sites/forums and not from search engines so question is how quality is their traffic.

nah , all the big illegal tube sites are all over google.

search for " DOWNLOAD ________" <-- insert copyright material name here

and you will find them.. usually near the top.

2012 · 11-25-2007, 12:03 PM

tube it up your ass

CarlosTheGaucho · 11-26-2007, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Megafoo

Thats just pathetic, you actually bring up a key reason why the tube sites are getting so popular. The TGP trading system is just a revised circle jerk. 10 MILLION TGPs out there blind linking the hell out of 90% of their galleries sending them to another site. People get tired of that shit. Click on a big picture of a nice shaven beaver and you expect to be sent to a gallery of nice shaven beaver, instead they get sent to a bbw site with lousy thumbnails.

Well the truth is that once I was a surfer I always searched for the tgp's where I could very easily identify the "circle jerk" links from the "real links" and never got back to those who had too much shit instead of content.

Actually as far as I remember I liked fuckingfreemovies . com, p-bot . com - not that much video but well hand picked, updated and not too misleading.

Well studying a technical university with 10 "girls" (read female technical university students) out of 1 200 students in a year surely helps to get very knowledgeable about porn

sortie · 11-26-2007, 07:03 PM

Oh boy...

My slant :

Make a tube site and use your fine eye for content selection to keep the surfer on your site until they sign up.

I thought about it, contemplated it, juggled it, then I just did it.

Debating about tube sites is like spitting in the wind.
Been there, done that, did something about it...see sig!

Robbie · 11-26-2007, 07:15 PM

If true user uploaded tube sites ever become completely "legal" then I can tell you that they will suck.
A tube site that is just us uploading our own content with link codes in it isn't really "user generated". And from hunting down and finding my own stolen content over and over and having it taken down, the one thing I discovered on the forums is that the "users" (surfers) are really into stealing content and getting a pat on the back from all the freeloaders for doing a "great job" at "finding" the porn.

No, tube sites will either be a bunch of stolen content OR they won't have a big audience because the "users" won't really have any content.

So do Tubes = TGP/MGP
I don't think so.

I think: TUBE = Karaoke
And just like Karaoke is people singing along pretending to be stars, Tube is...
Posers pretending to be porn kings by uploading others stuff and then congratulating themselves on the tube forums.
Of course it's way better than the script generated "automatic" bullshit TGP's. But no way it's better than a REAL human created and hand run TGP with a true relationship with it's audience.

Robbie · 11-26-2007, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by slapass

TGP's and MPG's did change the system and less people bought memberships.

Huh? You are insane. I have sold more memberships from my TGP's over the last 9 years than most of you put together! LESS people bought memberships? That is an urban legend my friend.

Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE · 02-23-2008, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Megafoo

Thats just pathetic, you actually bring up a key reason why the tube sites are getting so popular. The TGP trading system is just a revised circle jerk. 10 MILLION TGPs out there blind linking the hell out of 90% of their galleries sending them to another site. People get tired of that shit. Click on a big picture of a nice shaven beaver and you expect to be sent to a gallery of nice shaven beaver, instead they get sent to a bbw site with lousy thumbnails.

Tube sites are the future. Only because of the stupid business models us adult webmasters use in our current websites are pissing off all our visitors.

One of the truest post I have ever read on this site...

Zorgman · 02-23-2008, 07:43 PM

Over 400 legal tube sites and counting.

I'v got 5 myself. :D

polish_aristocrat · 03-16-2008, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Zorgman

Over 400 legal tube sites and counting.

I'v got 5 myself. :D

why only 5 and not 15?

BTW current Alexa stats

3 tube sites in top 100

RedTube.com 50
YouPorn.com 31
MegaRotic.com 21

Microsoft.com is 18

anyone has any idea on the daily number of uniques these sites get?

Due · 03-16-2008, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Andy Servers4Less

Just putting it out there... ServersForLess.com for your tube projects

Domain does not resolve

BoyAlley · 03-16-2008, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

50 free loading faggots

Shush your mouth cum bitch

Zorgman · 03-16-2008, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

why only 5 and not 15?

I now have 7, but I would rather have good quality niche sites then 15 general hardcore tube sites. Go niche and your find the sale. Go general porn and you will see 1:5000.

BTW - All TEVS webmasters can now buy an extra license for only $120 each. Saving you $60 per license.

farkedup · 03-16-2008, 06:52 PM

tubes should NEVER be like a TGP/MGP.

I don't really consider TEVS a tube script but would define it more as a badass replacement for TGPs.

The term "tube script" is getting tossed around like crazy simply because there isn't a proper term for the kind of site which TEVS but its not a real "tube"

moneybiz · 03-16-2008, 08:01 PM

cool well why I read another one of these threads my toob site made 400$ today. Thanks for telling me toob sites are the future polish guy.

NinjaSteve · 03-16-2008, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Retributi0n

where the fuck do you get the bandwidth to run tube sites?

DREAMHOST! LOL!

LadyMischief · 03-16-2008, 09:26 PM

People tend to forget it's the CONSUMERS that drive the trends, the programs simply respond to meet demand. You have to provide content to consumers in venues that they expect, or they will simply go to those that will. Drive-ins phased out and the evolutionary chain has developed and Imax and the like are king.. the same happens with the internet... people still demand their product, but in a delivery method THEY choose.

tony286 · 03-16-2008, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by LadyMischief

People tend to forget it's the CONSUMERS that drive the trends, the programs simply respond to meet demand. You have to provide content to consumers in venues that they expect, or they will simply go to those that will. Drive-ins phased out and the evolutionary chain has developed and Imax and the like are king.. the same happens with the internet... people still demand their product, but in a delivery method THEY choose.

fyi consumers are attracted to it because its free full scenes.

Paul Markham · 03-16-2008, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ro8in

Sure as long as it is legal content I dont mind

Later we will even provide the possibility to have uploaders display their own advertisement in front of the video..

Hit me up on ICQ if you need legal content and want to be an affiliate.

Easton · 03-16-2008, 10:10 PM

doesn't everyone have a tube site by now? we've got a legal tube site

i thought they were like assholes, everyone has one... no?

Paul Markham · 03-16-2008, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Megafoo

Thats just pathetic, you actually bring up a key reason why the tube sites are getting so popular. The TGP trading system is just a revised circle jerk. 10 MILLION TGPs out there blind linking the hell out of 90% of their galleries sending them to another site. People get tired of that shit. Click on a big picture of a nice shaven beaver and you expect to be sent to a gallery of nice shaven beaver, instead they get sent to a bbw site with lousy thumbnails.

Tube sites are the future. Only because of the stupid business models us adult webmasters use in our current websites are pissing off all our visitors.

Sad to say but fucking the surfer, the people who pay us, goes way beyond TGPs and click jerking. This industry has fucked the paymaster for years. And that makes me sad.

Pop up hells because one sign up came.

Pre clicked join links on a join page.

Hiding the cancel button.

Selling a site for $30 that's not worth $3.

Simply put and there are exceptions, over and over we have fucked surfers and members because we had contempt for people who pay for porn and thought they had few options. All the while we saw conversion ratios slipping. But made excuses so we could carry on down the same route.

It's not just TGPs click jerking and Tube sites to blame for surfers reluctance to pay for Internet porn, it's partly our fault. Who here would buy from an industry that treated their customers so badly?

It rips me apart to have to say this, but after 8 years of trying to get people to see the surfer is the guy who really counts I failed. I wish I had tried harder.

Paul Markham · 03-16-2008, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by LadyMischief

People tend to forget it's the CONSUMERS that drive the trends, the programs simply respond to meet demand. You have to provide content to consumers in venues that they expect, or they will simply go to those that will. Drive-ins phased out and the evolutionary chain has developed and Imax and the like are king.. the same happens with the internet... people still demand their product, but in a delivery method THEY choose.

Thanks for saying that. Sadly most people in this industry think otherwise. They think the consumer will take what ever they give them.

11-24-2007, 11:11 AM	#65
fishbone Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 115	tube sites do not produce content. they dont really sell sites, which pay content providers to make content, so if tube sites kill paysites, then who is gonna pay the content guys and girls to produce? just trying to follow the chain all the way back down. __________________ ICQ=360616223

11-24-2007, 12:53 PM	#70
Arkantiger Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 257	tube sites = a site mostly of free loaders who leech so much and cost the site a fuckload in b\w bills. __________________ Want to submit your videos and images with a automatic tube software submission program to 1000+ tube sites? $150 for a licence. 492-804-072

11-26-2007, 07:03 PM	#83
sortie Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,771	Oh boy... My slant : Make a tube site and use your fine eye for content selection to keep the surfer on your site until they sign up. I thought about it, contemplated it, juggled it, then I just did it. Debating about tube sites is like spitting in the wind. Been there, done that, did something about it...see sig! __________________

11-26-2007, 07:15 PM	#84
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	If true user uploaded tube sites ever become completely "legal" then I can tell you that they will suck. A tube site that is just us uploading our own content with link codes in it isn't really "user generated". And from hunting down and finding my own stolen content over and over and having it taken down, the one thing I discovered on the forums is that the "users" (surfers) are really into stealing content and getting a pat on the back from all the freeloaders for doing a "great job" at "finding" the porn. No, tube sites will either be a bunch of stolen content OR they won't have a big audience because the "users" won't really have any content. So do Tubes = TGP/MGP I don't think so. I think: TUBE = Karaoke And just like Karaoke is people singing along pretending to be stars, Tube is... Posers pretending to be porn kings by uploading others stuff and then congratulating themselves on the tube forums. Of course it's way better than the script generated "automatic" bullshit TGP's. But no way it's better than a REAL human created and hand run TGP with a true relationship with it's audience. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

02-23-2008, 07:43 PM	#87
Zorgman Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 6,103	Over 400 legal tube sites and counting. I'v got 5 myself. :D __________________ ---

11-23-2007, 06:27 PM	#52
mineistaken See signature :) Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: ICQ 363 097 773 Posts: 29,656	more and more free porn....

11-23-2007, 06:34 PM	#53
Makaveli Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,027	its all the same.... shitty traffic that doesnt lead too many sales... just more dick pullers wasting bw.

11-23-2007, 06:42 PM	#54
cosis Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Beach Posts: 5,276	they just look like a big paysite but none of the membership fee's.

11-23-2007, 07:56 PM	#61
Lamis So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 961	You are really confused... You can't compare tgps with tube sites.. And tube sites from sponsors are nosense sites, because they only post their own clips and give no chance to the submitter to post.

11-24-2007, 01:13 PM	#71
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,397	Millions to be made!

11-24-2007, 06:10 PM	#74
Juicy D. Links So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: N.Y. -Long Island -- Posts: 122,992	most of the out of box tube sites can be hacked in 2 secs word

11-24-2007, 06:28 PM	#75
PPjohn Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 871	Harder to make money with the tube sites, i believe

11-25-2007, 12:03 PM	#81
2012 So Fucking What Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 17,189	tube it up your ass

03-16-2008, 06:52 PM	#92
farkedup Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 2,490	tubes should NEVER be like a TGP/MGP. I don't really consider TEVS a tube script but would define it more as a badass replacement for TGPs. The term "tube script" is getting tossed around like crazy simply because there isn't a proper term for the kind of site which TEVS but its not a real "tube" __________________ -- QUOTE ME IT MAKES ME FEEL SPECIAL --

03-16-2008, 08:01 PM	#93
moneybiz So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,391	cool well why I read another one of these threads my toob site made 400$ today. Thanks for telling me toob sites are the future polish guy.

03-16-2008, 09:26 PM	#95
LadyMischief Orgasms N Such! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Ontario Posts: 18,135	People tend to forget it's the CONSUMERS that drive the trends, the programs simply respond to meet demand. You have to provide content to consumers in venues that they expect, or they will simply go to those that will. Drive-ins phased out and the evolutionary chain has developed and Imax and the like are king.. the same happens with the internet... people still demand their product, but in a delivery method THEY choose. __________________ ICQ 3522039 Content Manager - orgasm.com [email protected]

03-16-2008, 10:10 PM	#98
Easton Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 9,825	doesn't everyone have a tube site by now? we've got a legal tube site i thought they were like assholes, everyone has one... no? __________________ New models booked and shot every week... MILFs, pornstars and teens. Girls for every niche and project. Looking for high-quality affordable exclusive content? Check me out at Easton Content for all the details.