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03-16-2008, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Zorgman

I now have 7, but I would rather have good quality niche sites then 15 general hardcore tube sites. Go niche and your find the sale. Go general porn and you will see 1:5000.

BTW - All TEVS webmasters can now buy an extra license for only $120 each. Saving you $60 per license.

Thank God nobody saw you say this. Niche is always the key to any successful model?

Paul Markham · 03-16-2008, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ProjectNaked

I'm not reading through this thread tonight - as I am heading out the door, but...sponsor sites will be offering free hosted tube videos on an invite policy.

If the deal will make money for both why not?

Easton · 03-16-2008, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by sherm

Niche is always the key to any successful model?

word bro... who knew I could sell www.AssSmoothie.com as my new top site?

Paul Markham · 03-16-2008, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Easton

doesn't everyone have a tube site by now? we've got a legal tube site

i thought they were like assholes, everyone has one... no?

Hit me up if you want free legal content.

mryellow · 03-16-2008, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

Tubesites, torrent sites already have replaced TGPS. It will take only a couple more years for everyone else to catch on.

My non-tech friends know all about torrents, wasn't the case not long ago.

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Originally Posted by will76

1. Bandwidth: The tube site hosts all the videos and the videos are much longer, their bandwidth will go through the roof. TGPS, all they do is host links and push the bandwidth cost back to the submiters.

Sponsors however can take on the cost as they do with FHGs. Their bulk
transfers allow sponsors to cut cheaper bandwidth deals then most. The hub
(tube) site grows the audience, the affiliate targets it, the sponsor provides
the tools and cashes in, same as always.

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Originally Posted by will76

2. Monetizing traffic: TGPS make most of their money from selling link spots on their daily list, not from banners. Tubes make money from banner ads which cuts out a lot of the profit potential.

If every video has a link to a sponsor that is matched to the video.......
If you include DVD upsells directly to that scene......
If your sponsor is paying you to promote the videos + watermarks.......

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Originally Posted by will76

3. Type of content: TGPS showed pictures and 30 second vids. This was gret advertising for a picture and video site. However tubes on the other hand show a lot more of the video for free, in some cases they show entire full lenght videos, therefore very very (very) few people will signup to a pic and video membership site after they just got finished watching all of the full length videos from that site for free.

fistingcentral.com's (gay) promo content is the most hardcore I've ever seen
and gives it all away, anyone into that stuff would lose their load in 2
seconds flat. However it's got a *awesome* conversion ratio..... Not
everything is about content length or giving away "money shots". Tease does
help for some stuff tho of course, so sponsors need to cut their videos that
way.

Paysites do have to offer more then pics and vids tho in this day-and-age.

Yes the illegal sites will have pull, but the legal ones will catch up in market
share. One thing they can provide that illegal sites can't is a closer
relationship with sponsors, allowing for better content integration, updates,
and in future a more dynamic, co-brandable and sociable approach to what
we now look at as a "members section".

In the long run I see sponsors morphing into intelligent content repositories,
which can serve out content to affiliates based on their target audiences
needs. While paysite tours vanish and co-branded "sealed sections" of
affiliate sites become more possible. Smaller virtual markets, where broad
audiences were once sought. The sponsor handles billing, affiliate payment,
content provisioning, customer care. Freed from their paysites and the
limited audience they capture, sponsors can enjoy 1000 paysites hitting
different angles of the same content repository, rather then their 10 paysites
hitting the major cliches.

-Ben

Easton · 03-16-2008, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Hit me up if you want free legal content.

thanks, but i've been shooting my own for years... you didn't know?

Paul Markham · 03-16-2008, 11:17 PM

Great post Ben.

What this industry has to do is win back the surfers/members willingness to pay. Those who can't do it will close, those who can will stay afloat.

I'm thinking the more Tube sites the better for the industry, illegal or legal. Think along these lines. There is a limit to who they can advertise, dating, cams and pills. That's it, mainstream is not coming over and I think even gambling is not an option. There might be more but it's limited. So the more Tube sites relying on this limited number will effect the bottom line.

They will need paysites to promote to pay the bills or there will be a few of them and even that could have a detrimental effect on them.

Again what we need to do is find the level of quality, service and price where enough surfers will pay to keep us in business. What Tubes will do is smash the way we work.

Paul Markham · 03-16-2008, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Easton

thanks, but i've been shooting my own for years... you didn't know?

Of course I know, but you need more than one style to make the appeal broader.

Barefootsies · 08-21-2008, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Pornwolf

The tube sites are just a really really bad idea. Guys saw YouTube and said, "This is the wave of the future!"

Unfortuntaely the idiots didn't take into consideration that YouTube's mainstream biz model doesn't have to be monetized the same way. A video of a cat farting isn't meant to upsell Catfarting.com.

This trend just goes to show how little business sense a lot of guys that are in this business actually have.

Amen brother.

FINALLY!!!!... someone who actually understand BUSINESS 1-0-FUCKING-1

Iron Fist · 08-21-2008, 08:45 AM

Good thread

Klen · 08-21-2008, 09:44 AM

One of thread with will76 inside

NicAngel · 08-21-2008, 09:46 AM

Guess so

96ukssob · 08-21-2008, 09:57 AM

here comes my

...

i think tube sites are pushing a lot of people out of the biz because they dont have the money to support the bandwidth bill. yes, that means that you now have to spend some money to make money... uh oh!

at the same time, from a surfer stand point, i can see them going to a tube site to watch clips instead of going to galleries and downloading 100's of 30 second clips. why? because they dont have to worry about deleting them and having mom and dad find the porn. instead, they just delete the history and move on

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 08-21-2008, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

just today/yesterday two companies on GFY announced their new (legal) tube sites.

the clips on them might be shorter than on the 'illegal' tube sites, but still much longer than on MGP's.

I guess there's no way back anymore and soon tube sites will be the standard, while TGP's will be forgotten, like link lists nowadays...

megarotic = thehun of the tube world
youporn = worldsex etc

and now everyone tries to start their new ones so soon there will be literally hundreds of adult tube sites - some small, some big

one year from now and they will be also trading with each other and circklejerking visitors

sponsor companies start their own legal tube sites because they want to compete against the 'illegal' ones (the ones with stolen content like megarotic), instead of trying to fight them and stick to more traditional methods of advertising

This has been known for almost a year and a half now.

Bossman · 08-21-2008, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

This has been known for almost a year and a half now.

See date of thread/post

ilbb · 08-21-2008, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Pornwolf

The tube sites are just a really really bad idea. Guys saw YouTube and said, "This is the wave of the future!"

Unfortuntaely the idiots didn't take into consideration that YouTube's mainstream biz model doesn't have to be monetized the same way. A video of a cat farting isn't meant to upsell Catfarting.com.

This trend just goes to show how little business sense a lot of guys that are in this business actually have.

I've to agree with you! I see many webmasters who like blind sheeps turn their sites into tube sites every day

sortie · 08-21-2008, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by bossku69

here comes my

...
i think tube sites are pushing a lot of people out of the biz because they dont have the money to support the bandwidth bill. yes, that means that you now have to spend some money to make money... uh oh!

My tube script (Tubecgi) and several other tube scripts build sites with 1000's
of videos and the only bandwidth is the thumbs.

So if someone quit adult because of bandwidth then they simply didn't know about all
the tools available.

spazlabz · 08-21-2008, 10:57 AM

ahhh the good ole days, never give em enough to get off on

spaz

96ukssob · 08-21-2008, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by sortie

My tube script (Tubecgi) and several other tube scripts build sites with 1000's
of videos and the only bandwidth is the thumbs.

So if someone quit adult because of bandwidth then they simply didn't know about all
the tools available.

but your tube site is pulling the videos from the sponsors server, your not hosting the videos.

ive seen a lot more of these scripts pop up, and i do think they are great, but i think a lot of sponsors will start to pull the plug on allowing a type of hot linking to videos

Fresh · 08-21-2008, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by bossku69

here comes my

...

i think tube sites are pushing a lot of people out of the biz because they dont have the money to support the bandwidth bill. yes, that means that you now have to spend some money to make money... uh oh!

at the same time, from a surfer stand point, i can see them going to a tube site to watch clips instead of going to galleries and downloading 100's of 30 second clips. why? because they dont have to worry about deleting them and having mom and dad find the porn. instead, they just delete the history and move on

Not necessarily. We offer a solution for webmasters to push a tube site without the worries of bandwidth bills, overhead and development costs, and legal hassles. Through www.TubeClicks.com, you can promote 18 industry leading sponsors and over 800 paysites on our tube site www.Gutter.com.

All you have to do is fill in your ID's for the 18 3rd party sponsors working with us and you're pretty much set. Send your traffic to Gutter and keep 100% of any commissions you earn from our 18 sponsors

sortie · 08-21-2008, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bossku69

but your tube site is pulling the videos from the sponsors server, your not hosting the videos.

ive seen a lot more of these scripts pop up, and i do think they are great, but i think a lot of sponsors will start to pull the plug on allowing a type of hot linking to videos

Some sponsor may pull the plug; but it will because they are not converting and nothing
else. These tubes don't burn anymore bandwidth that a TGP full of their hosted galleries.
So if the sponsor can't let the tube leech then I don't see how they can afford hosted galleries either.

Hosted galleries might actually use more bandwidth since the gallery has
images that load but the tube just loads the specific video to watch.
Not to mention text links leading the same surfer to the same gallery to reload it
all over again on 10 different TGPs.

The issue with leeching will not be about the "numbers", because the numbers are way in
favor of leeching. It will be about "anti-leeching" as we have percieved it in the past. Youtube proved that letting other websites leech can be a big promotional boost for your website. Some people get it some people don't.

klaze · 08-21-2008, 12:53 PM

Porn Tubes need to be more like Mainstream tubes.

FACT!

Zorgman · 08-21-2008, 07:42 PM

I know from my clients comments the videos hosted from sponsors servers are making sales. If the webmaster had to pay for the bandwidth on top of that they might brake even or a little over, so having the video hotlinked is the only option for small players.

Of course their easy to setup and you don't resort to stealing like others have.

TTiger · 08-21-2008, 07:52 PM

i own probably some of the best domain to start one but fuck im a lazy ass

polish_aristocrat · 09-18-2008, 02:48 AM

among the top 100 global sites in Alexa, there are 4 adult sites right now and 3 of them are tube sites

42. www.youporn.com
50. www.redtube.com
54. www.adultfriendfinder.com
59. www.pornhub.com

I should have worded the thread title better, the adult tube sites reached popularity that TGP's could only dream about...

WWC · 09-18-2008, 02:57 AM

Yes, i've been saying this ..... tube sites are the new TGP and MGP......

03-16-2008, 11:17 PM	#107
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Great post Ben. What this industry has to do is win back the surfers/members willingness to pay. Those who can't do it will close, those who can will stay afloat. I'm thinking the more Tube sites the better for the industry, illegal or legal. Think along these lines. There is a limit to who they can advertise, dating, cams and pills. That's it, mainstream is not coming over and I think even gambling is not an option. There might be more but it's limited. So the more Tube sites relying on this limited number will effect the bottom line. They will need paysites to promote to pay the bills or there will be a few of them and even that could have a detrimental effect on them. Again what we need to do is find the level of quality, service and price where enough surfers will pay to keep us in business. What Tubes will do is smash the way we work. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

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08-21-2008, 09:57 AM	#113
96ukssob So Fucking Banananananas Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: If I was in your ass you'd know it Posts: 12,991	here comes my ... i think tube sites are pushing a lot of people out of the biz because they dont have the money to support the bandwidth bill. yes, that means that you now have to spend some money to make money... uh oh! at the same time, from a surfer stand point, i can see them going to a tube site to watch clips instead of going to galleries and downloading 100's of 30 second clips. why? because they dont have to worry about deleting them and having mom and dad find the porn. instead, they just delete the history and move on __________________ Email: Clicky on Me

08-21-2008, 07:42 PM	#123
Zorgman Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 6,103	I know from my clients comments the videos hosted from sponsors servers are making sales. If the webmaster had to pay for the bandwidth on top of that they might brake even or a little over, so having the video hotlinked is the only option for small players. Of course their easy to setup and you don't resort to stealing like others have. __________________ ---

08-21-2008, 09:44 AM	#111
Klen Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Little Vienna Posts: 32,235	One of thread with will76 inside

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spazlabz Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Kentucky Posts: 6,548	ahhh the good ole days, never give em enough to get off on spaz

08-21-2008, 12:53 PM	#122
klaze So Fucking Banned Join Date: May 2008 Location: Adult Marketing Mecca Posts: 2,167	Porn Tubes need to be more like Mainstream tubes. FACT!

08-21-2008, 07:52 PM	#124
TTiger Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: quebec, canada Posts: 3,030	i own probably some of the best domain to start one but fuck im a lazy ass __________________

09-18-2008, 02:48 AM	#125
polish_aristocrat Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 40,377	among the top 100 global sites in Alexa, there are 4 adult sites right now and 3 of them are tube sites 42. www.youporn.com 50. www.redtube.com 54. www.adultfriendfinder.com 59. www.pornhub.com I should have worded the thread title better, the adult tube sites reached popularity that TGP's could only dream about... __________________ I don't use ICQ anymore.

09-18-2008, 02:57 AM	#126
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