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This is the latest polls, http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/

I mean according to this and many analysts. The Clinton Obama 2008 ticket is lookin pretty good. I just want to get some of your opinions on the likehood of this ticket and your thoughts. Thanks gfy

Snake Doctor

Won't happen.
It would be too much thunder at the bottom of the ticket.

Also, she's been going through the whole campaign saying he doesn't have enough experience to be President....so how could she justify him being a heartbeat away from being President?

Snake Doctor

Also, the numbers on that page are from national polls which are meaningless right now.

The early state numbers are all that matter right now....the national numbers tend to line up later with whomever wins the early states.

WWC

I dont think a woman will be president in our lifetime....just my opinion..

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BIGTYMER

We'll have a women president before a black one.

Snake Doctor

Not unless they impeach Bush and Cheney and Speaker Pelosi has to fill in for awhile before Obama is sworn in

BIGTYMER

True but so not gonna happen.

IllTestYourGirls

Blomberg/Obama is more likely. Clinton Dobbs or Clinton Biden.

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Snake Doctor

If Obama wins the nomination the republicans don't have a chance, and he will be president.

If Hillary wins the nomination we could very well end up with a republican or 3rd party candidate winning the election.

uno

How the hell does Thompson still have double digit poll numbers? Have I missed anything? I've been in Mexico for over a month.

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IllTestYourGirls

Most state polls he is dying in. He is polling 2% in New Hampshire.

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Snake Doctor

Why would Obama agree to be #2 on a independent ticket with Bloomberg?

If Obama doesn't win the democratic nomination, all he has to do is bide his time in the Senate for 4 years and he'll run the table next time around.

Hillary "might" be able to win the nomination but she won't win the general.


BTW...I think you meant Dodd, the Senator from Connecticut, not Dobbs, the anti-immigration guy on CNN.

tony286

I agree I cant see that happening. I could see Bill Richardson going for the VP slot. I agree with Lenny about the polls, remember early in the game Howard Dean was the favorite Kerry was at the bottom.

IllTestYourGirls

Everyone is talking about "3rd party" But do you realize there may be a 4 party race? Dem, Rep, Blomberg, Paul (if he does not win rep nom).

This would be the greatest race ever.

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IllTestYourGirls

Simple math... Obama does not have a Billion dollars to fund it.

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IllTestYourGirls

Shit I ALWAYS do that.

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Snake Doctor

Having a billion dollars to fund it is a good reason to think that Bloomberg might run....it is not a good reason to think that Obama would support him or agree to be on the ticket.

"If" Obama doesn't win the nomination, he'll run the table in 4 years no problem. It would be insane for him to agree to be #2 on a ticket and have to support positions handed down from the top of the ticket that he'd have to defend 4 years from now.
He can just bide his time and run again. Although I think he's going to win it all now, seriously.

As for Paul running, he would just be a spoiler and he wouldn't poll high enough to get into the debates or anything...so it would be basically like the right wing version of Ralph Nader.

Kimo

ive been calling for a clinton and obama ticket ever since they both announced their running

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Snake Doctor

The way I see the election is this (and I follow politics like rotisserie geeks follow baseball...I love it)

The republicans are fucked. They have a very unpopular president in the white house, they just lost their congressional majority, and none of their candidates can really excite the base. They all have conflicts in their positions or records with the republican platform.
Situations like this usually lead to anemic turnout on election day.

The one thing that could change that is Hillary getting the democratic nomination. The republicans don't really like any of their candidates, but boy oh boy do they hate Hillary. Republican turnout would be insane, plus Hillary has alot of problems with independents too....so the republicans best hope is for Hillary to get the nomination.
If it's Edwards or Obama the republicans don't stand a chance.

If Hillary gets the nomination and runs against Romney or Giuliani, it'll be one of those mud slinging, hate-filled, New York style pig fucks that will make you wish we had a parliamentary system of government.

IllTestYourGirls

Ok I agree Obama might not like the ticket. And it does make sense that he will wait out another 4 years.

However, I disagree with your Paul statement. Nader has said he will endorse Ron Paul if Nader does not think he has a chance of winning. That says something about the cross over power of Paul. Paul will not pull votes from one side but both and the middle. Something that has not been seen in a 3rd party so far. (Paul is polling 27% among indies in New Hampshire)

Say you have a Clinton vs Rudy or Romney (all pro war, all pro policing the world). Paul could have a real chance of getting 20% of the vote or higher.

I am not sure what % is needed to get into the debates. I know they make up the rules as they go so the % will just keep jumping as Paul rises. Fox News tried to make it so 5% was the goal for their debate, Ron Paul reached that, Romney said he would not show up to the debate and it was canceled. That debate was going to happen in Iowa.

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baddog

Black men had the right to vote before white women did.

Young

Just saw Obama about 4 hours ago in Boston. This was the second time in the last couple of months that I saw him speak.

He is the black John F Kennedy

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baddog

No he isn't.

IllTestYourGirls

How many people were there? I bet it wont reach the levels of the rally for Ron Paul on the 16th. Maybe maybe not... Obama people love Ron Paul too http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache...lnk&cd=1&gl=us

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collegeboobies

Vote for Ron Paul!

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

collegeboobies

https://youtube.com/watch?v=88REf0tjZHo

Ron Paul and his words of freedom beating down a fat kid arguing for the drug war

Snake Doctor

Actually when Ross Perot ran as a 3rd party candidate he pulled votes pretty equally from both sides, so it has been done before.

So if Paul runs as an independent, and let's say it's Hillary vs Romney or Giuliani....then Paul gets the libertarian wing of the republican party to vote for him, and the anti-war part of the democratic party to vote for him.
So he may get 20% but that's not gonna be enough to win, and I think he'll pull enough votes from both sides that it wouldn't affect the outcome.

Here's the thing about Ron Paul, and this is just an honest non-biased opinion. I have nothing against the guy and I admire his conviction, and even agree with him on quite a few things.

He's just not a guy that you look at and listen to and think "Ok, this is the guy I want to trust with the nuclear launch codes"
That, more than any of his positions, is why he can't really win. It may not be fair, but that's really the way it is.

IllTestYourGirls

He wont use those codes unless congress thinks we need to. We often forget that the President is not a dictator. For him to use those launch codes we would have to be in a war THAT CONGRESS APPROVED. The last thing he would do is use force because he believes that peace is much more powerful than force.

We also forget that Bill Clinton dropped more bombs on Iraq than the first gulf war. We also forget we are under real no terrorist threat at all. Ask a random person in the inner city what they are more scared of, a cop or a terrorist. Guess their answer.

We do gain more in peace than war and this is coming from someone who was pro-war against Iraq and had family from Iraq.

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IllTestYourGirls

edit last post: I forgot to mention that H. Clinton also voted for the president to use force against Iran.... again the PRESIDENT to use force. That does not mean just Bush, that means the next president as well.

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SleazyDream

bitches and hahahahahahas running the country


can't be any worse than bush

and i've had many a wet dream about hill - she's a milf hottie

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Kevsh

You do NOT want Clinton in the White House.

That woman is a facade, a well-oiled (no sexually pun intended) political machine and her big advantage is experience. She's not making the same rookie mistakes as her competitors.

But with her running the country, I really would be concerned.
Anyone's better in there than Bush, but she isn't much of an upgrade. Mark my words....

1 cent x 2

uno

If that happens the repubs will win, imo.

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Snake Doctor

I never said he would use the codes....and maybe I should have used another analogy so that you wouldn't have gone off on a war tangent there.

The knock on Ron Paul is that he doesn't look or sound "presidential". People don't see him as a "strong leader".
It's shallow and unfair but that's just the way it is.

Snake Doctor

To be fair the vote wasn't for the President to use force, it was something totally different. I didn't agree with the vote, but let's not exagerrate to try and make Hillary look bad, we don't have to.

This is one of the reasons I said that Ron Paul as an independent would pull the anti war vote from the democratic party if Hillary was the nominee. Because she's a hawk just like Bush.

If Obama or Edwards are the democratic nominee then Paul doesn't get that anti war vote from the democrats, they'll stick with their party's guy.

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I think the clinton obama ticket is very likely considering the certain circumstances.

Snake Doctor

You think that because of the domain(s) you're trying to sell.

I would bet money that Clinton and Obama will not be on a ticket together in 2008.

Young

There were over 10,000 strong (according to local television news and Obama Campaign) at the Obama rally in the Boston Commons last month.

Today there were only a few thousand. It was an indoor event that required a $23 dollar donation to attend. The turnout was suprising figuring that it was snowing AND a work night.

Ron Paul has some pretty good and intense ideas....but anyone that thinks he has any kind of a chance is delusional. The decision is not made on digg.com or the handful of other sites that his supporters have seemed to infest. I know Ron Paul supporters get a kick out of people who say what I just said...they post pictures of rally, links to (obviously gamed) online polls but come on...get real.

If anything Ron Paul is a Barak Obama spoiler if and when he runs outside of the Republican ticket.

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TTiger

i dream of a hillary - ron paul debat :-)

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Snake Doctor

The ideas aren't new either, the libertarian party has been around for a looong time, and they never manage to get more than token support on election day.

The reason Paul is doing so well right now is because there alot of people in the republican party who have libertarian views on alot of issues, and they feel like they were betrayed by Bush and the recent republican majority and their out of control spending.

At the end of the day though, he's not going to get elected. He will however have a substantial impact on the race, which was most likely his goal from the beginning.

tiger

Obama / Gore more likely.

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collegeboobies

Its the people who say people like Ron Paul has no chance who cause our country to fall into a pile of shit.

collegeboobies

You guys know that Obamas biggest grassroots supporter switched over to Ron Paul?


My name is Marc Whittemore. I started the original grassroots group ObamaLA and carried it until it was 2,500 people strong. Having done substancially more homework now I am inclined to switch my vote.

Make no mistake about it -- I think Obama would make an AWESOME President -- far better than any other stale "part of the problem" Democrat running. However. In case you have not noticed America is picking up "flush momentum" and going down the tubes FAST. We no longer have time for rehersals or inexperience. We MUST get it right and get it right this time. We don't even have the luxury of voting along party lines if we are to get it right.

And so. Even more surprising is that for the first time in my 32 years of voting I will be voting for a Republican president. And that Republican is Ron Paul. Listen people. And take the time to listen CLOSELY to Ron Paul -- because, like the last, we can ill afford one more drastic idiot mistake in the White House. Lives depend on making the right choice -- indeed our entire nation depends on the right choice this time.

Sincerely,
Marc Whittemore
Los Angeles, CA

IllTestYourGirls

Ron Paul also wins most of the straw polls. People who say he has no chance really do not have a clue. Someone "that has no chance" does not out raise the rest of his field in the 4q.

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collegeboobies

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows Giuliani with 20% support nationwide while Huckabee attracts 17%. Fred Thompson is at 14%, John McCain at 13% and Mitt Romney at 11%. Ron Paul attracts 7% of Likely Republican Primary voters nationwide and no other Republican candidate reaches 2%



Ron Paul has 7% of Likely Repuclican Primary voters nationwide now. This is his biggest polling yet and it keeps going up. Add in the independents and Dems that will vote for him and he is up there with the best of them.

tblake

What I find so interesting about the Ron Paul movement is that he didnt start it himself. From what I understand, there was and is a big group of people on the Internet who found his website, analyzed his voting record and then determined- this is our guy. They then convinced him to run! The group is Libertarian minded and I see them all over boards, exposing their limited government views.

So Ron Paul is exactly opposite of many politicians who try to run and then convince people. Ron Paul is literally just along for the ride.

I think the big question is- what Republican is going to adopt some of his views on taxation and most importantly, foreign policy, to capitalize on this movement. Ron Paul polls very well amongst independents and nobody talks about it.

Maybe a Huckbee-Paul ticket? They both want to abolish the IRS. Now Huckbee would just have to take his foreign policy stance.

Also, if Paul doesnt take Iowa, he is done.

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IllTestYourGirls

100% wrong. If he does not come in the top 3 in New Hampshire he may be done though. I doubt it. He will stay till the end to spread his ideas.

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DateDoc

Paul already said he would not run as an independent.

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DaddyHalbucks

A woman and a black on the ticket? That would be too good to be true.

They'd lose for sure.

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Snake Doctor

Ron Paul supporters sound eerily similar to people in religious cults.

I'm serious.

I like the guy and all, but saying that me not thinking he can win is causing our country to fall into a pile of shit is ridiculous.

I also remember this collegeboobs guy posting in another thread that Ron Paul "deserves" to be president based on his stance on the issues.
Again, ridiculous.

Snake Doctor

He's at 7% and you think that puts him up there with the best of them?

Dude you've got to quit drinking the kool aid.

I mean it's one thing to be a staunch supporter of the guy, but it's another to make up your own dream scenarios about how he's going to win or how he has as much support as the top tier candidates, because he wont, and he doesn't.