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wyldworx · 12-14-2007, 11:40 PM

it is always the same with them. Bumping for the thumping.

will76 · 12-15-2007, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by dav3

The AWE cookie thing has it's good points, and of course it's bad points.

The good side to the 14day cookie, is that if you are a newer webmaster, you aren't stuck with the slim pickings of the new members to the cam sites. Let's face it, there are tons of badass webmasters that make shitloads of sales. Their cookies are only 14days, so their customers get put back in to the pool of potential profits. Were as if you were on lifetime revs, you wouldn't be able to scoop up those older cam customers. The secret (if you can call it that) with AWE is to build a site that makes the user come back and reset your cookie, not just generate click-thrus.

The bad side, off course it sucks to lose a whale of a customer. But on the flip, you could get some one else's whale next time.

I see everyone recommending using the PPS option for AWE. Honestly, it's a bad idea. The PPS uses a 30day cookie, plus the customer must have never bought credits from and AWE site before. So if a previous revshare customer signs up with your PPS link, you pretty much just screwed yourself and other webmasters also, since that signup won't count for you and essentially taken out of the pool.

there is 0 good from this method. None. When you pay for advertising and work hard to make a sale you should be rewarded for it. You fail to understand all someone had to do is set their cookie once the person is already signed up. Its not like the next affiliate has to get them to signup, the first affiliate did the hard work.

You damn right if the first guy did the hardest part, which is introduced them to the site and convinced them to try it, then some random person who sets a cookie 15 day from now shouldn't benefit from it. The first person to sell them should get credit for all future sales.

Also, the only person it really benefits is AWE. After 14 days the person goes back into the "pool". But during that time who makes the money.... AWE.

It's total bullshit disguised to make some people think it offers some type of benefit. When really its a way for AWE to own that person the majority of the time they are a member. How often do you think new affiliates pick these members back up once they are signed up. I am sure it happens but over the course of a year, I bet on average 2 - 3 affiliates cross get credit and the other 9 - 10 months a year AWE makes all the money.

The only people that this system should make happy is the people with a lot of traffic that can't convert. They come along after people signed up and they set their cookie. They don't sell the person, they just leach for 14 days.

This method is total shit and I am surprised anyone promotes that company. But hey, have fun at it if you do.

SmokeyTheBear · 12-15-2007, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by will76

there is 0 good from this method. None. When you pay for advertising and work hard to make a sale you should be rewarded for it.

you are rewarded , for 14 days. after 14 days you dont contribute anything whereas the cam models still need to be paid the hosting needs to be paid etc. i think he did point out where this is good from this method . in a year 20 webmasters can be getting a cut of the same member.

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Originally Posted by will76

It's total bullshit disguised to make some people think it offers some type of benefit.

i dont think very many people realise this , nor do they tout this as a reason for the 14 day cookie as far as i am aware

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Originally Posted by will76

How often do you think new affiliates pick these members back up once they are signed up. I am sure it happens but over the course of a year, I bet on average 2 - 3 affiliates cross get credit and the other 9 - 10 months a year AWE makes all the money.

how often do pornsite revshare sponsors keep paying out on upsells and cross sales after the original membership has been cancelled..

the simple fact is they are upfront about how they operate, personally i think the 14 day cookie is stupid and i think calling a program revshare with 14 day cookies is foolish to say the least , why not be innovative and create a pps + 14 day rev share bonus.

as far as i am concerned as long as they are upfront about how they operate and they aren't doing anything illegal/immoral all you do is add up the cash at the end of the month and compare it with the same traffic pushed elsewhere..

rowan · 12-15-2007, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

if they tell you, then it's hardly a "scam" its just not good as revshare for life..

if you send 10k hits per month to AWE and make $3k per month on 14 day cookie

or
you send 10k hits to another sponsor and make $2k per month on lifetime revshare

what is better ?

The residual income when you completely stop sending traffic could very well make up that difference in time.

My main cam sponsor shows the majority of my income is from accounts that are at least a year or two old.

lazycash · 12-15-2007, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

if they tell you, then it's hardly a "scam" its just not good as revshare for life..

if you send 10k hits per month to AWE and make $3k per month on 14 day cookie

or
you send 10k hits to another sponsor and make $2k per month on lifetime revshare

what is better ?

I really wish you would stop spouting this nonsense smokey, I've tried in the past to educate you about cams. When we got into the AWE debate a year ago you admittedly said you were new to cams and hadn't tried hardly any cam sponsors. I get the feeling by your comments now, that must still hold true.

Any affiliate that has ever sent a large amount of cam traffic to multiple revshare sponsors over an extended period of time knows right away that the AWE 14 day revshare will ultimately earn him less $/unique than any other revshare cam sponsor. I've been promoting cams and cams only for 8 years. I still get checks from Streamray(now cams.com), even though I stopped promoting them 3 years ago.

9 months ago I decided to test this out. I sent 25k uniques each to 3 different well known revshare cam sponsors with AWE being one of them. The traffic all came from the same source, a source I've been using for over 5 years. The first two sponsors pay out lifetime revshare (like every other revshare cam sponsor but AWE), and then there was AWE and its 14 day revshare. After 14 days, AWE and one of the other sponsor's earnings were very close, within $100. The third sponsor did only 50% of what the first two did. After 2 months, the second sponsor had more than doubled AWE's earnings and the third sponsor had now caught up and exceeded AWE by 10% as AWE's earnings came to a screeching halt at 14 days. After 4 months, the second sponsor was now more than 2.5 times AWE's earnings and the third sponsor was now 75% more than AWE's earnings. After 6 months most of the revshare had died, with just a few still buying. Now at the 9 month mark I'm still seeing some revshare coming in from those campaigns and the second sponsor is now over 3 times AWE's earnings.

The test results were exactly what I thought they were going to be and just confirmed that if you are going to promote revshare cams, promote a sponsor that pays out for the life of the customer. Here is my AWE assessment: They have great promo tools, as good as any other cam sponsor. They cover almost all the cam niches and have tons of models on at all times of the day and models that can convert English speaking as well as Euro traffic. However, having said that, the only possible scenario I could see recommending them is if you had a small amount of traffic for a brief period. They will convert your traffic, but only pay you for the first 14 days.

Frankly, the 14 day cookie thing has been rehashed plenty, if you think you're earning more with them then stay with them. I can just tell you from my experience and test, that anyone sending a steady amount of traffic over an extended period of time will ultimately lose money promoting AWE vs another lifetime revshare cam sponsor.

I still think AWE needs to do a better job of informing the new webmaster upon signup about the 14 day revshare. They prey upon the fact that most webmasters assume the term "revshare" means for the life of the customer particularly when its promoting cams. Its only briefly mentioned in their terms(how many webmasters actually read that) and its nowhere to be found on their main promo page or FAQ page even though they seem to cover almost every other question. Even in this thread alone there are webmasters promoting them that were unaware of the 14 day revshare even though there have been multiple threads on the subject here.

The only reason AWE noted it in their terms is because they were called out by their own affiliates in their own forum. Then their owner preceded to come on this board and tell all his affiliates they were lucky he was even bothering to pay them for the 14 days as he felt thats all his affiliates deserved.

xmas13 · 12-15-2007, 03:30 AM

I'd not expect LJ to change its policy anytime soon, especially since they are from Holland and based in Hungary, and the USD shrank this year.

SarahLLO · 12-15-2007, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by dav3

The AWE cookie thing has it's good points, and of course it's bad points.

The good side to the 14day cookie, is that if you are a newer webmaster, you aren't stuck with the slim pickings of the new members to the cam sites. Let's face it, there are tons of badass webmasters that make shitloads of sales. Their cookies are only 14days, so their customers get put back in to the pool of potential profits. Were as if you were on lifetime revs, you wouldn't be able to scoop up those older cam customers. The secret (if you can call it that) with AWE is to build a site that makes the user come back and reset your cookie, not just generate click-thrus.

The bad side, off course it sucks to lose a whale of a customer. But on the flip, you could get some one else's whale next time.

I see everyone recommending using the PPS option for AWE. Honestly, it's a bad idea. The PPS uses a 30day cookie, plus the customer must have never bought credits from and AWE site before. So if a previous revshare customer signs up with your PPS link, you pretty much just screwed yourself and other webmasters also, since that signup won't count for you and essentially taken out of the pool.

Exactly everything I just came to post.

AWE is a stellar program, and probably my top earner. And since the customer pool never really shrinks because of the 14-day cookie (except for those who got signed up via PPS), it'll probably keep being a huge moneymaker for some time.

SarahLLO · 12-15-2007, 04:54 AM

And to those of you bitching about how if someone signed up through you originally, they should be "yours" for life - would you change your tune if it turned out that most of the customers you've been making commission off actually originally signed up via someone else? I mean, there's no way to tell. And quite frankly, if I make an amazing website and some guy who hadn't used his account at Livejasmin for a year comes to my site and decides to start spending money there again, but uses his old account, why don't I deserve a cut?

SmokeyTheBear · 12-15-2007, 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by rowan

The residual income when you completely stop sending traffic could very well make up that difference in time.

My main cam sponsor shows the majority of my income is from accounts that are at least a year or two old.

i'm not saying it doesnt i'm saying the only true way to determine this is by putting them side to side put any pps program against any revshare program and you will earn more over time , doesnt mean pps is a scam it just means its a diff method

SmokeyTheBear · 12-15-2007, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

I really wish you would stop spouting this nonsense smokey,

could you point out what nonsense i spouted.. ? you mean me correcting someone who said awe denied using 14 day cookies when it actually never happened ?

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Originally Posted by lazycash

I've tried in the past to educate you about cams.

and you failed because you didnt tell me anything i didnt already know

you are letting your ego cloud your judgement

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Originally Posted by lazycash

When we got into the AWE debate a year ago you admittedly said you were new to cams and hadn't tried hardly any cam sponsors.

that is neither here nor their.. i know nothing about painting but i can sure tell if i like one

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Originally Posted by lazycash

I get the feeling by your comments now, that must still hold true.

i could say the same about you if we were in grade 2

fact is i am honest and explained my poisition then and now and you obviously disagree , thats fine..

i have pushed about 100k to various cam sponsors this year so if that helps soothe your mind them cool ,if not then oh well.

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Originally Posted by lazycash

Any affiliate that has ever sent a large amount of cam traffic to multiple revshare sponsors over an extended period of time knows right away that the AWE 14 day revshare will ultimately earn him less $/unique than any other revshare cam sponsor.

i have never heard that from anyone but you so far.. infact quite a few peopel have said the opposite.. go figure

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Originally Posted by lazycash

I still get checks from Streamray(now cams.com), even though I stopped promoting them 3 years ago.

cool .

use them then . sounds like it does better for you , i tried them it didnt

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Originally Posted by lazycash

9 months ago I decided to test this out. I sent 25k uniques each to 3 different well known revshare cam sponsors with AWE being one of them. The traffic all came from the same source, a source I've been using for over 5 years. The first two sponsors pay out lifetime revshare (like every other revshare cam sponsor but AWE), and then there was AWE and its 14 day revshare. After 14 days, AWE and one of the other sponsor's earnings were very close, within $100. The third sponsor did only 50% of what the first two did. After 2 months, the second sponsor had more than doubled AWE's earnings and the third sponsor had now caught up and exceeded AWE by 10% as AWE's earnings came to a screeching halt at 14 days. After 4 months, the second sponsor was now more than 2.5 times AWE's earnings and the third sponsor was now 75% more than AWE's earnings. After 6 months most of the revshare had died, with just a few still buying. Now at the 9 month mark I'm still seeing some revshare coming in from those campaigns and the second sponsor is now over 3 times AWE's earnings.

i do hope you realise anyone who is serious in this game does the same thing , we obviously just have different results.

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Originally Posted by lazycash

Frankly, the 14 day cookie thing has been rehashed plenty, if you think you're earning more with them then stay with them.

exactly. that was my point then and has been this time as well

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Originally Posted by lazycash

I can just tell you from my experience and test, that anyone sending a steady amount of traffic over an extended period of time will ultimately lose money promoting AWE vs another lifetime revshare cam sponsor.

and other have tested and found the opposite

theres lots of other factors to be had.. maybe you don't promote them properly

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Originally Posted by lazycash

I still think AWE needs to do a better job of informing the new webmaster upon signup about the 14 day revshare. They prey upon the fact that most webmasters assume the term "revshare" means for the life of the customer particularly when its promoting cams. Its only briefly mentioned in their terms(how many webmasters actually read that) and its nowhere to be found on their main promo page or FAQ page even though they seem to cover almost every other question. Even in this thread alone there are webmasters promoting them that were unaware of the 14 day revshare even though there have been multiple threads on the subject here.

completely agreed then and agree now

Antonio · 12-15-2007, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

I really wish you would stop spouting this nonsense smokey, I've tried in the past to educate you about cams. When we got into the AWE debate a year ago you admittedly said you were new to cams and hadn't tried hardly any cam sponsors. I get the feeling by your comments now, that must still hold true.

Any affiliate that has ever sent a large amount of cam traffic to multiple revshare sponsors over an extended period of time knows right away that the AWE 14 day revshare will ultimately earn him less $/unique than any other revshare cam sponsor. I've been promoting cams and cams only for 8 years. I still get checks from Streamray(now cams.com), even though I stopped promoting them 3 years ago.

9 months ago I decided to test this out. I sent 25k uniques each to 3 different well known revshare cam sponsors with AWE being one of them. The traffic all came from the same source, a source I've been using for over 5 years. The first two sponsors pay out lifetime revshare (like every other revshare cam sponsor but AWE), and then there was AWE and its 14 day revshare. After 14 days, AWE and one of the other sponsor's earnings were very close, within $100. The third sponsor did only 50% of what the first two did. After 2 months, the second sponsor had more than doubled AWE's earnings and the third sponsor had now caught up and exceeded AWE by 10% as AWE's earnings came to a screeching halt at 14 days. After 4 months, the second sponsor was now more than 2.5 times AWE's earnings and the third sponsor was now 75% more than AWE's earnings. After 6 months most of the revshare had died, with just a few still buying. Now at the 9 month mark I'm still seeing some revshare coming in from those campaigns and the second sponsor is now over 3 times AWE's earnings.

The test results were exactly what I thought they were going to be and just confirmed that if you are going to promote revshare cams, promote a sponsor that pays out for the life of the customer. Here is my AWE assessment: They have great promo tools, as good as any other cam sponsor. They cover almost all the cam niches and have tons of models on at all times of the day and models that can convert English speaking as well as Euro traffic. However, having said that, the only possible scenario I could see recommending them is if you had a small amount of traffic for a brief period. They will convert your traffic, but only pay you for the first 14 days.

Frankly, the 14 day cookie thing has been rehashed plenty, if you think you're earning more with them then stay with them. I can just tell you from my experience and test, that anyone sending a steady amount of traffic over an extended period of time will ultimately lose money promoting AWE vs another lifetime revshare cam sponsor.

I still think AWE needs to do a better job of informing the new webmaster upon signup about the 14 day revshare. They prey upon the fact that most webmasters assume the term "revshare" means for the life of the customer particularly when its promoting cams. Its only briefly mentioned in their terms(how many webmasters actually read that) and its nowhere to be found on their main promo page or FAQ page even though they seem to cover almost every other question. Even in this thread alone there are webmasters promoting them that were unaware of the 14 day revshare even though there have been multiple threads on the subject here.

The only reason AWE noted it in their terms is because they were called out by their own affiliates in their own forum. Then their owner preceded to come on this board and tell all his affiliates they were lucky he was even bothering to pay them for the 14 days as he felt thats all his affiliates deserved.

ok, I'm sending to menytree revshare, what other cam sponsor would you recommend (revshare)? If I don't have an account I'll sign under you and give them a try

wizzart · 12-15-2007, 09:53 AM

Man, try PussyCash, they convert really good.

Only 20% revshare but 100% lifetime, and 125$ on PPS.

Olso try EpicCash if you want.

wizzart · 12-15-2007, 09:58 AM

Forgot to write:

If you discover anything else for webcams sponsors please let us know, this is be great info, thanks a lot!

will76 · 12-15-2007, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

you are rewarded , for 14 days. after 14 days you dont contribute anything whereas the cam models still need to be paid the hosting needs to be paid etc. i think he did point out where this is good from this method . in a year 20 webmasters can be getting a cut of the same member.

i dont think very many people realise this , nor do they tout this as a reason for the 14 day cookie as far as i am aware

how often do pornsite revshare sponsors keep paying out on upsells and cross sales after the original membership has been cancelled..

the simple fact is they are upfront about how they operate, personally i think the 14 day cookie is stupid and i think calling a program revshare with 14 day cookies is foolish to say the least , why not be innovative and create a pps + 14 day rev share bonus.

as far as i am concerned as long as they are upfront about how they operate and they aren't doing anything illegal/immoral all you do is add up the cash at the end of the month and compare it with the same traffic pushed elsewhere..

I am not saying they are scamming people. They are upfront with what they are doing, there is nothing wrong with that. I am discussing this type of method and why I think it is shit.

You get someone to signup to livejasmine for the first time, they see your ad, you "sell" them, and they make an account. You get credit for 14 days. The member buys $500 a week in cam time, so you make your % off of him for 2 weeks. After that AWE makes the money.

1 month later that same person hits another AWE affiliates site, he doesn't click on anything he doen't signup to AWE again, he gets a "cookie" set. That affiliate didn't sell him, he was just lucky enough for an AWE affiliate who was already a member happen across his site. So now for 14 days this affiliate will make his % of that $500 a week the member spends.

The second affiliate did NOTHING to deserve to make the money. Just getting someone to your shit doesn't mean shit. You should be rewarded for selling people not for getting people to your site. There are a million ways to get people to your site. Hell the guy could have been sent there from skim tgp traffic. If the second affiliate got the members to "sign up " again with a new account then I coudln't argue with that. But from what has been explained to me, once a member is signed up, all you need to do is get your cookie on their site and you get credit for 14 days.

This rewards people who just push traffic and don't sell. And it hurts the people who are bringing the new customers to the company by only rewarding them with 14 days of income.

I don't know how anyone can argue that there is anything good with this system, except for the people who cant make sales but can push traffic.

Im starting to repeat myself so there is no point in me replying. i just don't get it and i guess i wont.

will76 · 12-15-2007, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

you are rewarded , for 14 days. after 14 days you dont contribute anything whereas the cam models still need to be paid the hosting needs to be paid etc..

i do disagree with this statement 100000000%.

so what if it cost me $20 of advertising to get the person to signup. But the guy doesn't spend anymoney in his first 14 days. On day 15 he goes to the site and starts spending money. You saying i didn't contribute enough to collect money past 14 days. thats insaine.

will76 · 12-15-2007, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by SarahLLO

And to those of you bitching about how if someone signed up through you originally, they should be "yours" for life - would you change your tune if it turned out that most of the customers you've been making commission off actually originally signed up via someone else? I mean, there's no way to tell. And quite frankly, if I make an amazing website and some guy who hadn't used his account at Livejasmin for a year comes to my site and decides to start spending money there again, but uses his old account, why don't I deserve a cut?

i just can't help myself with this one....

so you point out a situation that happens about 1 out of 100,000 times.

How often does someone make an account to a website, never uses it, then a year later comes across the site again and remembers the orginal accont, and then starts using it again. VERY VERY RARE.

So everyone who does the hard work of getting people to signup shouldn't continue to make money off of those members because in a few rare cases someone might come back a year later and instead of making a new account, he uses his old one ?

I don't know how long you guys have been promoting cams, but I have successfully been doing it for 8 years, and i think there is some totally fucking whacked logic in this thread.

lazycash · 12-15-2007, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

could you point out what nonsense i spouted.. ? you mean me correcting someone who said awe denied using 14 day cookies when it actually never happened ?

No, I mean your constant silly comments like "zero times zero =....bla bla bla" and "3k month to AWE on 14 day cookie versus 2k a month to lifetime revshare". All those statements are so short sighted. If you are bringing in a fresh 2k a month on lifetime revshare, the residual income will steadily increase and you'll eventually bypass AWE's non residual 3k a month.

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

and you failed because you didnt tell me anything i didnt already know

you are letting your ego cloud your judgement

Actually I didn't fail at all, you informed me on a few of my points you weren't aware of that info I had told you regarding cams because you were admittedly new to cams and at that time hadn't promoted them much.

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

fact is i am honest and explained my poisition then and now and you obviously disagree , thats fine..

Well I'm honest also and am using recent facts/testing along with years of experience promoting cams along with tens of thousands sales to multiple cam sponsors.

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

i have pushed about 100k to various cam sponsors this year so if that helps soothe your mind them cool ,if not then oh well.

Not sure why that would soothe my mind. I talk to cam affiliates all the time that have been making promotional/sponsor choice mistakes for months/years and left thousands of dollars on the table by not maximizing their traffic's true earning power.

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

i have never heard that from anyone but you so far.. infact quite a few peopel have said the opposite.. go figure

The few people I've ever seen say the opposite are those that have mainly only promoted AWE and only base their stats on short periods of time, not with any substantial traffic from the same source spread out to multiple cam sponsors over a long period.

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

cool .

use them then . sounds like it does better for you , i tried them it didnt

Um, I said I stopped using them 3 years ago. Only reason I started using Streamray/Cams.com 6 years ago is because there weren't too many cam sponsors out there at that time. I wouldn't recommend them at all, they are close to the worst if not the worst cam sponsor in terms of conversions.

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

theres lots of other factors to be had.. maybe you don't promote them properly

This is one instance where you can tinker with your promotional methods till you are blue in the face and a 14 day cam revshare will never overcome the long term earnings of lifetime cam revshare.

dav3 · 12-15-2007, 12:31 PM

SmokeyTheBear · 12-15-2007, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

You get someone to signup to livejasmine for the first time, they see your ad, you "sell" them, and they make an account. You get credit for 14 days. The member buys $500 a week in cam time, so you make your % off of him for 2 weeks. After that AWE makes the money.

thats how most pps programs work kinda but people dont rip on programs for having a pps option right ?

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Originally Posted by will76

1 month later that same person hits another AWE affiliates site, he doesn't click on anything he doen't signup to AWE again, he gets a "cookie" set. That affiliate didn't sell him, he was just lucky enough for an AWE affiliate who was already a member happen across his site. So now for 14 days this affiliate will make his % of that $500 a week the member spends.

just like pps only nobody would get the $$ except the sponsor..

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Originally Posted by will76

I don't know how anyone can argue that there is anything good with this system, except for the people who cant make sales but can push traffic.

you and i both know how you can argue there is good from it.. I count the cash at the end of the day and its more than with the other guys "lifetime" revshare , and i dont push cookies , i push clicks so the cookies are not forced. thats the bottom line you are forgetting..$$

if awe had a "lifetime" revshare to compare it to. , then we could say "method A works better" or "method B works better" , but all we can do is compare them with other cam sponsors who dont do things the same way, and for me awe comes out ahead.

i dont know how anyone could say making more money isn't a good argument.

SmokeyTheBear · 12-15-2007, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

No, I mean your constant silly comments like "zero times zero =....bla bla bla"

thats not a silly statement 100% of zero is nothing , thats a fact , nothing silly about it

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Originally Posted by lazycash

and "3k month to AWE on 14 day cookie versus 2k a month to lifetime revshare".

so making 2k per month after 12 months is better than 3k per month after 12 months ..
i dont follow that logic.. exactly when are the others sponsors going to pay me more.. after a year awe avg's more per month end of story.. if you are waiting 2 years before your lifetime cam sponsors takes over awe then you are playing another risk also right.. even if lets say the other cam sponsor finally takes over awe after 2 years "hypothetically" the money i have made i reinvest and make more off, so you are looking at a tiny tiny % gain after 2 years , whereas other would flip that cash and have doubled it in a year..

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Originally Posted by lazycash

If you are bringing in a fresh 2k a month on lifetime revshare, the residual income will steadily increase and you'll eventually bypass AWE's non residual 3k a month.

after a year i havent found that to be the case

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Originally Posted by lazycash

Well I'm honest also and am using recent facts/testing along with years of experience promoting cams along with tens of thousands sales to multiple cam sponsors.

like i said , good for you .. if you can afford to wait around for 3 years before you make a 10% gain thats fine . I do other things. i Can use the quicker cash re-invest and have doubled my money in 6 months.

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Originally Posted by lazycash

Not sure why that would soothe my mind.

because now we have both tested our traffic , mine does better with awe yours does better without awe..

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Originally Posted by lazycash

The few people I've ever seen say the opposite are those that have mainly only promoted AWE and only base their stats on short periods of time, not with any substantial traffic from the same source spread out to multiple cam sponsors over a long period.

see above, i tested , we have come to different conclusions.

You have tested longer perhaps i don't know , but i have been testing for a year , and the numbers add up to awe being the winner..

just curious by your numbers after say 3 years how much more % are you making on "the other guy "

because as i mentioned if your looking at a 3 year window and your only making %x more than the other guy i have already flipped my % multiple times..

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Originally Posted by lazycash

Um, I said I stopped using them 3 years ago.

ouch , thats not very good testing at all. lots of things change in 3 years..

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Originally Posted by lazycash

This is one instance where you can tinker with your promotional methods till you are blue in the face and a 14 day cam revshare will never overcome the long term earnings of lifetime cam revshare.

that is where you are wrong.. and i can prove it ..

you promote 100% lifetime revshare of a one cam shitty network that gets no sales and i will promote the best damn cam program around and make bank

100% of 0 is still 0 right..

Antonio · 12-15-2007, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Antonio

ok, I'm sending to menytree revshare, what other cam sponsor would you recommend (revshare)? If I don't have an account I'll sign under you and give them a try

zigx · 12-15-2007, 02:06 PM

bottom line, that is some bullshit.

i was about to promote awe until this.

lazycash · 12-15-2007, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

thats not a silly statement 100% of zero is nothing , thats a fact , nothing silly about it

It becomes silly because your implication is that the affiliate makes zero with a lifetime revshare sponsor. Why don't you tell us which of the "shitty" lifetime revshare sponsors you've tested since you imply they all are.

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so making 2k per month after 12 months is better than 3k per month after 12 months ..
i dont follow that logic.. exactly when are the others sponsors going to pay me more.. after a year awe avg's more per month end of story.. if you are waiting 2 years before your lifetime cam sponsors takes over awe then you are playing another risk also right.. even if lets say the other cam sponsor finally takes over awe after 2 years "hypothetically" the money i have made i reinvest and make more off, so you are looking at a tiny tiny % gain after 2 years , whereas other would flip that cash and have doubled it in a year..

You don't follow it because you don't understand the residual impact of a lifetime revshare. If you continue with the same traffic that earns you 3k monthly with AWE, your earnings will remain flat. With a lifetime revshare sponsor they will steadily increase month after month after month as long as the traffic remains consistent. Thats also assuming that AWE is always going to earn more than any other sponsor in the first 14 days, which they don't.

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after a year i havent found that to be the case

Funny, you've said multiple times over the last year that AWE is the only cam sponsor you promote and you weren't familiar with many of the other ones. I can only assume your allegiance to them is because they used to be your sig sponsor.

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like i said , good for you .. if you can afford to wait around for 3 years before you make a 10% gain thats fine . I do other things. i Can use the quicker cash re-invest and have doubled my money in 6 months.

Guess you didn't read my test and are just making up numbers, try 100% gain after one month.

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because now we have both tested our traffic , mine does better with awe yours does better without awe..

You've admitted you haven't tried many of the lifetime revshare sponsors, so how would you know?

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just curious by your numbers after say 3 years how much more % are you making on "the other guy "

because as i mentioned if your looking at a 3 year window and your only making %x more than the other guy i have already flipped my % multiple times..

After a 3 year test the numbers would be astronomically different, most likely surpassing ten times earnings. Your flipping scenario assumes that AWE dramatically outperforms every other lifetime revshare sponsor within the first 2 weeks, they don't.

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ouch , thats not very good testing at all. lots of things change in 3 years..

Guess you aren't familiar with Streamray, nothing has changed at all with them.

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that is where you are wrong.. and i can prove it ..

you promote 100% lifetime revshare of a one cam shitty network that gets no sales and i will promote the best damn cam program around and make bank

100% of 0 is still 0 right.

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30% of 100k sales is more than 30% of 10k sales, right.

Since you feel AWE is head and shoulders above all the lifetime revshare cam sponsors why don't you tell us what makes them convert so amazingly better than all the rest? Tell us what they are doing so differently that could possibly make up the huge gap between 14 day revshare and lifetime revshare?

sacX · 12-15-2007, 04:29 PM

I think the 14 day cookie is short-sighted.

Many more people would promote LJ and those who do would send MORE traffic if they weren't so greedy.

SmokeyTheBear · 12-15-2007, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazycash

It becomes silly because your implication is that the affiliate makes zero with a lifetime revshare sponsor.

common sense would tell you that is not the case

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Originally Posted by lazycash

Why don't you tell us which of the "shitty" lifetime revshare sponsors you've tested since you imply they all are.

where did i imply they are all "shitty"

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Originally Posted by lazycash

You don't follow it because you don't understand the residual impact of a lifetime revshare.

i took that into account and i was still ahead , you have not proven otherwise yet.. simple math can prove me right.

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Originally Posted by lazycash

If you continue with the same traffic that earns you 3k monthly with AWE, your earnings will remain flat. With a lifetime revshare sponsor they will steadily increase month after month after month as long as the traffic remains consistent.

i have used the extra money to re-invest in more traffic while you wait for a measly 10% i have doubled and tripled that extra profit

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Originally Posted by lazycash

Thats also assuming that AWE is always going to earn more than any other sponsor in the first 14 days, which they don't.

so you say . many others say differntly . i have tried them back to back and the results arent even close, awe outperforms because they have better product, you forget that part..

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Originally Posted by lazycash

Funny, you've said multiple times over the last year that AWE is the only cam sponsor you promote and you weren't familiar with many of the other ones. I can only assume your allegiance to them is because they used to be your sig sponsor.

if you assumed that for some reason then you were wrong..

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Originally Posted by lazycash

Guess you didn't read my test and are just making up numbers, try 100% gain after one month.

ok

then you are with the right sponsor

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Originally Posted by lazycash

You've admitted you haven't tried many of the lifetime revshare sponsors, so how would you know?

no i didnt infact i have used all the big ones..

you can't make an argument by just making shit up , if you want an opinion ask me.. dont try to put words in my mouth , its a childish way to make an argument

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Originally Posted by lazycash

After a 3 year test the numbers would be astronomically different, most likely surpassing ten times earnings.

"most likely" is not a very good test lol

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Originally Posted by lazycash

Your flipping scenario assumes that AWE dramatically outperforms every other lifetime revshare sponsor within the first 2 weeks, they don't.

dont be an ass and keep repeating the same mantra , they don't for YOU. do you understand the difference. i dont say awe outperforms for everyone i say it outperforms for me , i say do the math and don't listen to jaded opinions. compare yourself and choose. you say dont use awe because i made more with etc etc thats just stupid business.

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Originally Posted by lazycash

Guess you aren't familiar with Streamray, nothing has changed at all with them.

nothing has changed in 3 years .. thats not good.

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Originally Posted by lazycash

30% of 100k sales is more than 30% of 10k sales, right.

duh now you get it .. with awe you make 100k

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Originally Posted by lazycash

Since you feel AWE is head and shoulders above all the lifetime revshare cam sponsors why don't you tell us what makes them convert so amazingly better than all the rest?

as i mentioned and i will continue to mention , you cant make facts up by just saying them , if you asked me if awe is "head and shoulders" above the rest i would say no so your whole argument and question is useless

SmokeyTheBear · 12-15-2007, 05:50 PM

as far as why they convert better than most other cam sponsors, perhaps its the product

perhaps its because they dont have a popup hell on their sites.

will76 · 12-15-2007, 11:36 PM

Here is what i think is some facts that I think no one can argue.

1. There is NO WAY anyone is going to tell me that a cam program that offers % with a 14 day window is going to out perform any cam company on a % deal that pays you on the life time of the customer. What makes company A so much better than Company B that you can make more in 14 days vs YEARS. Its all pretty much the same shit with these sites, girls on cam. Even if you told me that live jasmine's girls pussy was made of gold I still wouldn't believe you could make more in 14 days vs 1400 days.

2. The comments that were made..... it's not fair to the people who come later because all the members are locked up. Tough shit. It's the way it works on ALL other sites and ALL other type of programs. And there is a reason that EVERYONE uses this method, because it works. If you promote PPS and I sell the person first, and then he goes to your site 3 weeks later, you dont make the sale. So why should you continue to make the sale with the revshare method. No other sites offer this bullshit method for revshare or pps. At least with PPS people know that it is a one shot deal and the sales amount is a little higher. All sites off PPS and everyone knows its a one shit deal. With revshare when someone says make a % 99% of the sites offer it for life. But AWE does something totally different and it produces more income in 14 days vs 1400.

3. To the comments that... well if the person signs up, doesnt spend money and then finds my site 1 year from now and logs into his old account that isn't fair. Simply put, that doesn't happen. This is retarded thinking and is not what happens. If I get someone to signup to livejasmine THEY KEEP GOING BACK TO LIVE JASMINE FROM THAT POINT ON. If they happen across your site and see you advertising live jasmine so fucking what. They see LiveJasmine and they know they already have an account there. They not going to say, hey thats the site i signed up to 6 months ago, and i never used it but now that I see a link to it on this guys site let me go dig up that old account and log back it. If they signed up an account they never used but come across you site months later and you legitametly sell them, they will make a new accout 9 out of 10 times.

4. As I explained a million times the only affiliates that can benefits from this are the ones with shitty traffic. I make the sale, i get the person to signup and spend money. I lose him after 14 days, an affiliate with massive amounts of traffic just blankets the net with his cookie and if anyone with a live jasmine account already, happens on his site that affiliate will start making money off the member for the next 14 days. Thats not marketing, thats not sales, that is laying landminds and leaching off of other people's hard work. That is people who can't make sales of their own just trying to set as many cookies as they can and hoping that some whales happen across their site one way or the other. Be it skimmed traffic, 404 pages, bulk shit traffic or however. ANYONE with good traffic that generates their own sales WILL 100% of the time make A LOT more money over the lifetime of the customer with ANY other cam company vs 14 days with Live Jasmine. Its a damn cam site, they are all the same for the most part.

no cam site will generate in 14 days more income than other cam sites unless the person sending the traffic can't make sales on their own. If they can't make the initial sale then yes I believe it. Because with AWE you don't need t make sales you just need to set cookies.

Corleone · 12-16-2007, 12:21 AM

well as long as ppl will make more money with awe than with other sponsors they'll push them

nobody forces yo to send traffic

SmokeyTheBear · 12-16-2007, 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76

Here is what i think is some facts that I think no one can argue.

1. There is NO WAY anyone is going to tell me that a cam program that offers % with a 14 day window is going to out perform any cam company on a % deal that pays you on the life time of the customer.

thats where i think you are wrong.. your assuming both sponsors perform the same.

if i make 10 sales a day from sponsor A and you make 1 with sponsor B how can you say you outperform.. . perhaps u get a higher avg of member but i get way more. at the end of the year , decade, century u name it

bottom line is ignor the cookies , they dont matter what matters is what you bring in , granted not many revshare will outperform a pps in the short term , if they arent cutting it after a year its obvious who to pick right..

the simple fact is most people are stuck on their personal feelings and forget about the bottom line.

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Originally Posted by will76

Its all pretty much the same shit with these sites, girls on cam.

it isn't at all

go to www.livejasmin.com then go to www.cams.com look and tell me what the big difference is.

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Originally Posted by will76

Even if you told me that live jasmine's girls pussy was made of gold I still wouldn't believe you could make more in 14 days vs 1400 days.

go take a look at some of these other cam sites , many have very few quality girls , glitchy backend and competing popups.

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Originally Posted by will76

It's the way it works on ALL other sites and ALL other type of programs.

there aren't that many "unique" cam sites and it certainly doesnt work that way on all other types of sites.. many many sites use short term cookie tracking

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Originally Posted by will76

And there is a reason that EVERYONE uses this method, because it works.

seems to be working rather well for awe and those that use them , they are one of the biggest cam networks out there.

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Originally Posted by will76

If you promote PPS and I sell the person first, and then he goes to your site 3 weeks later, you dont make the sale.

actually with many sites i would get the sale..

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Originally Posted by will76

With revshare when someone says make a % 99% of the sites offer it for life. But AWE does something totally different and it produces more income in 14 days vs 1400.

dont take my word for it . test it for yourself. it shouldnt even take 1400 days , by your reasoning you will already be making more on the 15th day with the other guy

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Originally Posted by will76

no cam site will generate in 14 days more income than other cam sites unless the person sending the traffic can't make sales on their own. If they can't make the initial sale then yes I believe it. Because with AWE you don't need t make sales you just need to set cookies.

lol so basically what you are saying is everyone at awe including myself must have shitty traffic or not realise they would be making more after 15 days with any other cam sponsor . sorry but that is a childish attempt at a jab.. argue your point don't insult me by insulting my traffic because you want to get your point across.

what it boils down to is i am telling people

DO NOT TRUST ME , DO NOT TRUST AWE , TRUST YOURSELF , TEST THEM HEAD TO HEAD AND SEE.

what you are telling people is . : it can't be better because of such and such and this and that . even after me explaining lots of ways it can.

i'm certainly not here to argue 14 day revshare is better than lifetime revshare , but you seem to want to argue that there is "no way" 14 day revshare can be better than lifetime revshare even when its obvious it can be..

i tested it myself

Kron · 12-16-2007, 01:23 AM

interesting

lazycash · 12-16-2007, 04:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

i'm certainly not here to argue 14 day revshare is better than lifetime revshare

i tested it myself

Well why didn't you say that earlier, sure appears to me and everyone else thats what you are here arguing. I think its great that you do well with AWE, keep it up, I really wasn't here trying to get you to leave them. I just took exception with your assertions that over a long period of time it was possible for AWE's 14 day revshare to outperform all other lifetime cam revshare sponsors. My point was that all you had to do was find one lifetime one that performed for you and you'd realize over time a significant increase in income over a 14 day revshare because of the residual impact of keeping a customer for life.

lazycash · 12-16-2007, 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

as far as why they convert better than most other cam sponsors, perhaps its the product

perhaps its because they dont have a popup hell on their sites.

Lets explore the specifics of the product and at least try and make this a somewhat productive discussion. In your opinion, after trying several other cam sponsors, what about AWE's product do you feel makes it perform so much better? Is it the quality of girls, number of girls, niches, layout, private upsell techniques, processing, pricing, affiliate promo tools, video quality etc...?

CarlosTheGaucho · 12-16-2007, 05:59 PM

Nice to see a couple of real webmasters stepping in, good discussion.

Now completely off topic - Will76, don't take it in any offensive way and excuse my curiousness..

How much time do you spend with boarding in average / day?

I can see you all over the place and we have met on the other two boards that I visit time from time.
From my own experience I know boarding is very time demanding, and I am doing it usually only in the late night with a beer when all is quiet or over the weekend, just curious..

CarlosTheGaucho · 12-16-2007, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by cachondo

sure, my email/msn is: [email protected]

and thanks to dav3 and atom I'll check the cam sponsors later

about the thread, I know they already tell about 14day cookie, it's in the awempire website, but I don't understand... really I can't find any reason for use it.. only scam the webmasters traffic, this is my problem, but well.. I'll search another cam sponsor.

I lost 1 year of quality traffic sending my users to livejasmin and much money because I sent people who pay a lot, but they'll lose webmasters (i'm one) and in a large time they'll lose more money.

Thanks, added you to my MSN contact list!

charlie g · 12-16-2007, 06:11 PM

This is a real question, so please take it as such.

Does AWE offer the same cookie for PPS? I mean, the rationalization for new webmasters should apply to both.

Scootermuze · 12-16-2007, 09:19 PM

To me, this is kinda like a publisher telling a song writer...

"We'll pay you royalties for a couple weeks, then after that, we keep your share."

The writer looks for another publisher...

Same option applies here...

dav3 · 12-16-2007, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by charlie g

This is a real question, so please take it as such.

Does AWE offer the same cookie for PPS? I mean, the rationalization for new webmasters should apply to both.

Rev - 14 days (new or returning customers)
PPS - 30 days (new customers only)

To receive credit for PPS, the customer must have never bought credits with one of the AWE sites previously.

Thurbs · 12-16-2007, 10:06 PM

im just surprised other cam people that make so much money for others don't re-invest into the tool set that AWE has ..... although I'm trying mTree right now, AWE is still my #1 cams.

Kevsh · 12-16-2007, 10:41 PM

To Will:
Test it. I'm not going to say you're right or wrong, but I would suggest testing and I trust you'd do it honestly. I won't argue with any facts you come up with, one way or another.

But here you spend countless hours going on and on and on rehashing the same argument. And yes, many of your points are valid. But you seem to always assume that YOU know what is best. You are arguing with someone (Smokey) who clearly has tested the site and further, you make many assumptions about AWE's traffic and webmasters clearly without trying yourself.

(In re: How you seem to know better than everyone: Your point in another thread about anyone who experiences slow days (e.g. holidays) or seasonal dropoffs is just make excuses is so completely absurd it's hard to know where to start. Because YOU never experienced it then it's *impossible* days/seasons can be slow for anyone else, no matter what niche, market, etc.? Come on...)

For everyone else:
Yes, AWE does things much different. Different must be bad. Different is uncomfortable for many of you. It's understandably difficult when you are still doing the same things with the same people the last 5-10 years. Change is not easy. That's why you still use ICQ

But numbers don't lie. Over the past few years it's clear they have greatly increased the number of webmasters who promote them. Are they all stupid? Are they all not making any money? And/or are they all taking advantage of the cookie system and sending garbage traffic?

Regardless of the rather ignorant opinion that it doesn't reward good webmasters vs. ones that send junk traffic, they are doing very well. Their webmasters are doing very well. Those that aren't probably have left. Those that think it's unfair, probably have left too. So what else is worth arguing about, really?

DaddyHalbucks · 12-16-2007, 11:05 PM

Find more cam sponsors here:

http://AdultWebcamSponsors.com

will76 · 12-17-2007, 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

Nice to see a couple of real webmasters stepping in, good discussion.

Now completely off topic - Will76, don't take it in any offensive way and excuse my curiousness..

How much time do you spend with boarding in average / day?

I can see you all over the place and we have met on the other two boards that I visit time from time.
From my own experience I know boarding is very time demanding, and I am doing it usually only in the late night with a beer when all is quiet or over the weekend, just curious..

boarding ? posting on GFY, go look at my average post per day if you dont want to do the math. Some days i dont even come to this site. what does it matter ?

i ususally stop posting in a thread after i repeat my self 3 or 4 times. In this case I guess everyone that doesn't use live jasmine is just stupid, because obviously their product must be 10x better than all other cam sites because you can make more money from a member in 14 days with them then you can from a member on any other cam site for 1400 days.

will76 · 12-17-2007, 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevsh

To Will:
Test it. I'm not going to say you're right or wrong, but I would suggest testing and I trust you'd do it honestly. I won't argue with any facts you come up with, one way or another.

?

you can think this is arrogant, or stupid, or hard headed or whatever. But i am not going to waste 1 click of my traffic to send to AWE. I do low volume good quality traffic. I get the people who signup, and spend money. Why would i piss that away for just 14 days.

The only "test" i would do would be to go buy a million hits $1 / 1000 and send that to them, i'll just hope some whales happen across my site and i will set the cookie on page load. I will "use" live jasmine the way they set it up, to reward the people who push bulk traffic and not qulity traffic. I would never send them quality traffic. I'll snag a person who is already signed up and milk them for 14 days. The people i get to signup now, i want to keep, thats a little harder work and 100% sure it pays off more in the long run.

Smokey or anyone else who uses AWE, how much does the average person spend over 14 days. If you claim you make more in 14 days than other sites do in years from a member, then the average AWE member must drop $300 - $500 EVERY 14 days. And AWE must have more members than all other sites, because it doesn't make sense any other way.

SmokeyTheBear · 12-17-2007, 02:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scootermuze

To me, this is kinda like a publisher telling a song writer...

"We'll pay you royalties for a couple weeks, then after that, we keep your share."

The writer looks for another publisher...

Same option applies here...

lol not really . this is like saying , " a newspaper ad brought a customer to mcdonalds and your saying now mcdonalds should pay the newspaper a % for life "

if they said "we will pay you a % for LIFE" then they should , if they said " we will will pay you for 14 days revshare , if they buy from your ad again we will pay you for another 14 days and so on ) then they should.

besides your example is a silly premise as you didnt write anything , you arent the song writer, your just a guy hawking cd's on the corner

actually a better example is the guys who hustle people into the bars in mexico..

they certainly dont get a % for life , just for the night.. if they come back they have another chance.

SmokeyTheBear · 12-17-2007, 02:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76

you can think this is arrogant, or stupid, or hard headed or whatever. But i am not going to waste 1 click of my traffic to send to AWE. I do low volume good quality traffic. I get the people who signup, and spend money. Why would i piss that away for just 14 days.

because then you might know why awe is one of the top if not THE top cam sponsor around

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76

The only "test" i would do would be to go buy a million hits $1 / 1000 and send that to them, i'll just hope some whales happen across my site and i will set the cookie on page load. I will "use" live jasmine the way they set it up, to reward the people who push bulk traffic and not qulity traffic. I would never send them quality traffic. I'll snag a person who is already signed up and milk them for 14 days. The people i get to signup now, i want to keep, thats a little harder work and 100% sure it pays off more in the long run.

so by your reasoning everyone who uses awe has shitty traffic and is milking the bigger affiliates who even though they are the biggest cam affiliates they are stupider than all the little guys . LOL cmon man use common sense and don't be so damn arrogant ,foolish and insulting. i use clicked se traffic so i dont know where your traffic comes from that makes it so golden , im assuming you are forcing people at gunpoint or something

, but its clear you are not even willing to test so it's no use arguing with you , you have already stated the only way you would test is if you throw the results by using different methods.. i didnt do that when i tested other sponsors , i used the same methods for ALL the sponsors so as to make a FAIR test.

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Originally Posted by will76

Smokey or anyone else who uses AWE, how much does the average person spend over 14 days.

you can find me on the top50 list at awe that shows these numbers ( in that category )

SmokeyTheBear · 12-17-2007, 02:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazycash

Well why didn't you say that earlier,

i did i just think people get swayed by their opinion and forget the point. the first thing i spoke to with a rep when i went with awe is " what the fuck is up with a 14 day cookie on a revshare" , but you know what ,the proof is in the pudding. would i like to try a lifetime revshare with awe , hell ya.. if another sponsor comes along and sells even close to as good as awe and has lifetime revshare , hell ya

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazycash

I just took exception with your assertions that over a long period of time it was possible for AWE's 14 day revshare to outperform all other lifetime cam revshare sponsors.

i guess that all depends on what you mean by "long time" , you keep mentioning vague terms like : "long time" , i mentioned a hard date . 1 year
it certainly is possible ( uh oh fight back on heh )

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazycash

My point was that all you had to do was find one lifetime one that performed for you and you'd realize over time a significant increase in income over a 14 day revshare because of the residual impact of keeping a customer for life.

point out the cam sponsor , i am curious , i tried all the big ones for over a year back to back ( p.s. only post sponsors with cam sites with 500+ online cams and no cross sales, members upsells, or popups )

V_RocKs · 12-17-2007, 02:55 AM

It is all bad points.

charlie g · 12-17-2007, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dav3

Rev - 14 days (new or returning customers)
PPS - 30 days (new customers only)

To receive credit for PPS, the customer must have never bought credits with one of the AWE sites previously.

So, once a customer signs up under PPS they are AWE's forever. A new webmaster has no shot at making any money from this surfer. Yet the same doesn't apply to Revenue Sharing. It would seem to me, if the concern was spreading the wealth, they would make the PPS for new and returning customers too.

I suspect that it is set up so a customer under rev share can sit for months earning commission-free revenue. Pretty smart I guess and if the market is ok with that then so be it. I personally don't like those rules and won't play that game. Not that they miss my shitty little traffic anyway.

will76 · 12-18-2007, 01:37 PM

Smokey does Live Jasmine tell you if new people sign up through you or just when you get a sale?

GreyWolf · 12-20-2007, 01:26 AM

OK... Let's get started on the bs known as AWE.

This "program" can't count shit - forgetting cookies or 14 day crap.

As a test, traffic was thrown at this program over a period of a few months. All traffic was monitored going to their sites and both raw and uniques are known.

Forgetting raw, on uniques they failed to count/record an average of 50% of visits flowing to them. But... and don't feel like even checking - it's far worse than 50% since this audit was only done on one of our networks - so, in fact it's most probable 20% or less uniques were recorded by AWE. (And that is definately giving AWE lots of leeway)

Now... don't care if uniques are measured if they only visit the AWE webmaster forum or whatever phoney reasons - this is utter crap for which there is NO excuse.

All other sponsor traffic is fine going thru the same monitoring system and many surprisingly accurate, but it's easy to spot bullshit sponsors and AWE sure is on that list.

So... be wary

wyldworx · 12-20-2007, 04:53 AM

adult webmastery fact 101: those that can do - those that can't send an icq to juicy asking him if they can bump the thread.

12-15-2007, 03:30 AM	#56
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12-15-2007, 04:54 AM	#58
SarahLLO Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: OH Posts: 1,168	And to those of you bitching about how if someone signed up through you originally, they should be "yours" for life - would you change your tune if it turned out that most of the customers you've been making commission off actually originally signed up via someone else? I mean, there's no way to tell. And quite frankly, if I make an amazing website and some guy who hadn't used his account at Livejasmin for a year comes to my site and decides to start spending money there again, but uses his old account, why don't I deserve a cut? __________________ Give me money & buy my links here, damn it!

12-15-2007, 09:53 AM	#62
wizzart scriptmaster Industry Role: Join Date: May 2006 Location: Serbia Posts: 5,237	Man, try PussyCash, they convert really good. Only 20% revshare but 100% lifetime, and 125$ on PPS. Olso try EpicCash if you want. Last edited by wizzart; 12-15-2007 at 09:56 AM..

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12-15-2007, 02:06 PM	#72
zigx Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Burlingame CA Posts: 1,430	bottom line, that is some bullshit. i was about to promote awe until this. __________________ _,.:'`- Club JK . com --> 60% payouts RSS, Hosteds, POTD, Your Mother, etc... CCBill

12-14-2007, 11:40 PM	#51
wyldworx So Fucking Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: oz-trailer Posts: 5,144	it is always the same with them. Bumping for the thumping.

12-15-2007, 09:58 AM	#63
wizzart scriptmaster Industry Role: Join Date: May 2006 Location: Serbia Posts: 5,237	Forgot to write: If you discover anything else for webcams sponsors please let us know, this is be great info, thanks a lot!

12-15-2007, 04:29 PM	#74
sacX Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New Zealand Posts: 2,998	I think the 14 day cookie is short-sighted. Many more people would promote LJ and those who do would send MORE traffic if they weren't so greedy. __________________ Have Asian Language Traffic?

12-15-2007, 05:50 PM	#76
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	as far as why they convert better than most other cam sponsors, perhaps its the product perhaps its because they dont have a popup hell on their sites. __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

12-15-2007, 11:36 PM	#77
will76 Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA Posts: 18,037	Here is what i think is some facts that I think no one can argue. 1. There is NO WAY anyone is going to tell me that a cam program that offers % with a 14 day window is going to out perform any cam company on a % deal that pays you on the life time of the customer. What makes company A so much better than Company B that you can make more in 14 days vs YEARS. Its all pretty much the same shit with these sites, girls on cam. Even if you told me that live jasmine's girls pussy was made of gold I still wouldn't believe you could make more in 14 days vs 1400 days. 2. The comments that were made..... it's not fair to the people who come later because all the members are locked up. Tough shit. It's the way it works on ALL other sites and ALL other type of programs. And there is a reason that EVERYONE uses this method, because it works. If you promote PPS and I sell the person first, and then he goes to your site 3 weeks later, you dont make the sale. So why should you continue to make the sale with the revshare method. No other sites offer this bullshit method for revshare or pps. At least with PPS people know that it is a one shot deal and the sales amount is a little higher. All sites off PPS and everyone knows its a one shit deal. With revshare when someone says make a % 99% of the sites offer it for life. But AWE does something totally different and it produces more income in 14 days vs 1400. 3. To the comments that... well if the person signs up, doesnt spend money and then finds my site 1 year from now and logs into his old account that isn't fair. Simply put, that doesn't happen. This is retarded thinking and is not what happens. If I get someone to signup to livejasmine THEY KEEP GOING BACK TO LIVE JASMINE FROM THAT POINT ON. If they happen across your site and see you advertising live jasmine so fucking what. They see LiveJasmine and they know they already have an account there. They not going to say, hey thats the site i signed up to 6 months ago, and i never used it but now that I see a link to it on this guys site let me go dig up that old account and log back it. If they signed up an account they never used but come across you site months later and you legitametly sell them, they will make a new accout 9 out of 10 times. 4. As I explained a million times the only affiliates that can benefits from this are the ones with shitty traffic. I make the sale, i get the person to signup and spend money. I lose him after 14 days, an affiliate with massive amounts of traffic just blankets the net with his cookie and if anyone with a live jasmine account already, happens on his site that affiliate will start making money off the member for the next 14 days. Thats not marketing, thats not sales, that is laying landminds and leaching off of other people's hard work. That is people who can't make sales of their own just trying to set as many cookies as they can and hoping that some whales happen across their site one way or the other. Be it skimmed traffic, 404 pages, bulk shit traffic or however. ANYONE with good traffic that generates their own sales WILL 100% of the time make A LOT more money over the lifetime of the customer with ANY other cam company vs 14 days with Live Jasmine. Its a damn cam site, they are all the same for the most part. no cam site will generate in 14 days more income than other cam sites unless the person sending the traffic can't make sales on their own. If they can't make the initial sale then yes I believe it. Because with AWE you don't need t make sales you just need to set cookies. __________________ ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com PROGRAM SHIT LIST - DO NOT PROMOTE (click link for gfy thread) FNCash \| Media Revenue

12-16-2007, 12:21 AM	#78
Corleone C.R.E.A.M Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 15,262	well as long as ppl will make more money with awe than with other sponsors they'll push them nobody forces yo to send traffic

12-16-2007, 01:23 AM	#80
Kron Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,668	interesting __________________ I dont exchange money!

12-16-2007, 05:59 PM	#83
CarlosTheGaucho Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 9,512	Nice to see a couple of real webmasters stepping in, good discussion. Now completely off topic - Will76, don't take it in any offensive way and excuse my curiousness.. How much time do you spend with boarding in average / day? I can see you all over the place and we have met on the other two boards that I visit time from time. From my own experience I know boarding is very time demanding, and I am doing it usually only in the late night with a beer when all is quiet or over the weekend, just curious.. __________________ CTG Media \| skype: carlosprague \| cb \|at\| ctgmedia \|dot\| net \| Want to make more with your Dating Traffic? \| Read My Educational Series \| Read my Adult Biz Chronicles \| Did your ad revenue drop by 40 pct. or more last year? Last edited by CarlosTheGaucho; 12-16-2007 at 06:00 PM.. Reason: spelling

12-16-2007, 06:11 PM	#85
charlie g Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Center of the Universe Posts: 2,759	This is a real question, so please take it as such. Does AWE offer the same cookie for PPS? I mean, the rationalization for new webmasters should apply to both. __________________ AlanAgus1 at gmail dot com -------------------------------

12-16-2007, 09:19 PM	#86
Scootermuze Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 4,513	To me, this is kinda like a publisher telling a song writer... "We'll pay you royalties for a couple weeks, then after that, we keep your share." The writer looks for another publisher... Same option applies here...

12-16-2007, 10:06 PM	#88
Thurbs The Thrilla in Manila Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Thurbs' Lagoon, Christmas Island Posts: 4,785	im just surprised other cam people that make so much money for others don't re-invest into the tool set that AWE has ..... although I'm trying mTree right now, AWE is still my #1 cams.

12-16-2007, 10:41 PM	#89
Kevsh Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: TO Posts: 8,619	To Will: Test it. I'm not going to say you're right or wrong, but I would suggest testing and I trust you'd do it honestly. I won't argue with any facts you come up with, one way or another. But here you spend countless hours going on and on and on rehashing the same argument. And yes, many of your points are valid. But you seem to always assume that YOU know what is best. You are arguing with someone (Smokey) who clearly has tested the site and further, you make many assumptions about AWE's traffic and webmasters clearly without trying yourself. (In re: How you seem to know better than everyone: Your point in another thread about anyone who experiences slow days (e.g. holidays) or seasonal dropoffs is just make excuses is so completely absurd it's hard to know where to start. Because YOU never experienced it then it's impossible days/seasons can be slow for anyone else, no matter what niche, market, etc.? Come on...) For everyone else: Yes, AWE does things much different. Different must be bad. Different is uncomfortable for many of you. It's understandably difficult when you are still doing the same things with the same people the last 5-10 years. Change is not easy. That's why you still use ICQ But numbers don't lie. Over the past few years it's clear they have greatly increased the number of webmasters who promote them. Are they all stupid? Are they all not making any money? And/or are they all taking advantage of the cookie system and sending garbage traffic? Regardless of the rather ignorant opinion that it doesn't reward good webmasters vs. ones that send junk traffic, they are doing very well. Their webmasters are doing very well. Those that aren't probably have left. Those that think it's unfair, probably have left too. So what else is worth arguing about, really? Last edited by Kevsh; 12-16-2007 at 10:43 PM..

12-16-2007, 11:05 PM	#90
DaddyHalbucks A freakin' legend! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada USA Posts: 18,975	Find more cam sponsors here: http://AdultWebcamSponsors.com __________________ Boner Money

12-17-2007, 02:55 AM	#96
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,409	It is all bad points.

12-18-2007, 01:37 PM	#98
will76 Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA Posts: 18,037	Smokey does Live Jasmine tell you if new people sign up through you or just when you get a sale? __________________ ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com PROGRAM SHIT LIST - DO NOT PROMOTE (click link for gfy thread) FNCash \| Media Revenue

12-20-2007, 01:26 AM	#99
GreyWolf So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,036	OK... Let's get started on the bs known as AWE. This "program" can't count shit - forgetting cookies or 14 day crap. As a test, traffic was thrown at this program over a period of a few months. All traffic was monitored going to their sites and both raw and uniques are known. Forgetting raw, on uniques they failed to count/record an average of 50% of visits flowing to them. But... and don't feel like even checking - it's far worse than 50% since this audit was only done on one of our networks - so, in fact it's most probable 20% or less uniques were recorded by AWE. (And that is definately giving AWE lots of leeway) Now... don't care if uniques are measured if they only visit the AWE webmaster forum or whatever phoney reasons - this is utter crap for which there is NO excuse. All other sponsor traffic is fine going thru the same monitoring system and many surprisingly accurate, but it's easy to spot bullshit sponsors and AWE sure is on that list. So... be wary Last edited by GreyWolf; 12-20-2007 at 01:28 AM..

12-20-2007, 04:53 AM	#100
wyldworx So Fucking Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: oz-trailer Posts: 5,144	adult webmastery fact 101: those that can do - those that can't send an icq to juicy asking him if they can bump the thread.