PIRACY ROUNDTABLE: TUESDAY JAN 15th - INTERNEXT

[seeric]

TUESDAY, JAN 15th

10:15 am – 11:00 am
Piracy Roundtable: Real solutions from real producers.

Piracy is the hottest issue in the industry today. There are no easy answers, but there are solutions. Learn how to avoid being ripped off by pirates and what you can do if it happens.

Moderator: Jason Tucker, Falcon Enterprises
Panelists: Allan Gelbard, Law Offices of Allan B. Gelbard
Gil Sperlein, Titan Media
Scott Bain, Software & Information Industry Associaton
Steve Lightspeed, Lightspeed Cash




EVERYONE NEEDS TO ATTEND THIS.

[ProjectNaked]

bump for a great cause

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Wish I could make it. I'm hitting both AEE and InterNext, but I'm leaving Vegas on Monday since I have biz in the Bay Area on Tuesday.

I attended the first conference, and it was truly inspiring. Jason is very passionate about this issue, as I am sure the others on the panel are, so I'm sure it will be well worth attending, both for getting info and sharing ideas.

Bump for a great cause...

ADG

[seeric]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Wish I could make it. I'm hitting both AEE and InterNext, but I'm leaving Vegas on Monday since I have biz in the Bay Area on Tuesday.

I attended the first conference, and it was truly inspiring. Jason is very passionate about this issue, as I am sure the others on the panel are, so I'm sure it will be well worth attending, both for getting info and sharing ideas.

Bump for a great cause...

ADG

yah, a lot of people think nothing is happening which is what we want. i've been asked what is going on, but we've stayed quiet about the organization. gfy harbors tons of pro pirate scum. we're not gonna show our cards anymore. now is DO time. attend the piracy meeting and see how.

thanks for you attendance at the first one. things are happening, there just won't be any public hoopla anymore.

[NETbilling]

Airek - you should be on there man

[seeric]

Originally Posted by NetBilling

Airek - you should be on there man

i don't have the political abilities to be on there, i'd end up cursing someone out.



* i was invited by avn to be on the panel. i told monty i didn't think it was a good idea.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by A1R3K

i don't have the political abilities to be on there, i'd end up cursing someone out.



* i was invited by avn to be on the panel. i told monty i didn't think it was a good idea.

[C H R I S]

Thanks for pulling this one out for special attention...

[Anal Hobbit]

We need a seminar that teaches us HOW to become pirates..

What good is bitching and complaing about piracy? Like we can do anything about it. Im going to internext to learn how to make money. Not to cry about people who do it better than me.

Ill be protesting this one by wearing my eye patch and Pirate outfit.


Arrrrrrrghhhhhh... Yo, Ho, A Pirates Life for me!

[gideongallery]

what no one from the ccia
let me guess it will be another fair use be dam bash fest

[V_RocKs]

Umm... is Brett from Rude.com going to be there?

[xxxjay]

Fuck...I wasn't going to stay till Tuesday but I might have to now.

[brandonstills]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Wish I could make it. I'm hitting both AEE and InterNext, but I'm leaving Vegas on Monday since I have biz in the Bay Area on Tuesday.

I attended the first conference, and it was truly inspiring. Jason is very passionate about this issue, as I am sure the others on the panel are, so I'm sure it will be well worth attending, both for getting info and sharing ideas.

Bump for a great cause...

ADG

Definitely sounds like one I will want to attend. I'll take notes for you. ;)

[brandonstills]

Originally Posted by Anal Hobbit

We need a seminar that teaches us HOW to become pirates..

What good is bitching and complaing about piracy? Like we can do anything about it. Im going to internext to learn how to make money. Not to cry about people who do it better than me.

Ill be protesting this one by wearing my eye patch and Pirate outfit.


Arrrrrrrghhhhhh... Yo, Ho, A Pirates Life for me!

Hopefully there will be more going on there than bitching and complaining.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by Anal Hobbit

I'll be protesting this one by wearing my eye patch and Pirate outfit.

Aye, ye been a bitter pirate ever since you lost an eye at your last Bukkake Party...



Let this be a warning to you kids...



I'll still share a pint of rum with you at the InterNext Bukkake Party:



It truly was a stroke of genius to use the Palms to toss the Bukkake bash at...

ADG

[CarlosTheGaucho]

I'll be there and I 'll cut on the drinking time monday night..

[flashfire]

sounds like a really good idea

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

what no one from the ccia
let me guess it will be another fair use be dam bash fest

We are content producers, there is no fair use issue. It's stolen or it's not.

[JFK]

bump

[xclusive]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

what no one from the ccia
let me guess it will be another fair use be dam bash fest

Damn you're a stupid fuck

[quantum-x]

Hey mate. Can you hit me up on ICQ when you get a moment please?
Futhering the discussion we had a while back about my anti-torrent / rrapidshare solution

[tony286]

Man thats a very important thing. Well the highlight of the meeting grabbing someone who helps fund piracy off the show floor and beating the shit out of them? lol

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

We are content producers, there is no fair use issue. It's stolen or it's not.

Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include

and that is exactly the total bullshit type of answer i was expecting.

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

and that is exactly the total bullshit type of answer i was expecting.

you are an idiot, you are bringing up such a red herring - 'fair use' of copyrighted pornography would be 1/1000000 of 1% of unauthorized use - a university professor teaching a course in a subject matter that includes pornography or a news organization reporting on a story that includes a link to pornography - that's it, the 99.9999999 % is just plain old theft. so why do you even bring 'fair use' up on an adult industry webmaster board.

aren't you the guy who used to stalk one of Lightspeed's models and then Steve himself?

[ultimatebbwdotcom]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

and that is exactly the total bullshit type of answer i was expecting.

Seriously dude, trying to tell us that all this stolen copyrighted material that we see is actually there for reasons and means of "fair use" is getting to be the
weakest answer for justifying anything......period.

They're 99.9999999% thieves, plain and simple - trying to convince us otherwise is wasting your time.

[Bugbee]

nice post Airek I look forward to being there!

[Phoenix]

aaaarrrggggghhhhhh

[SteveLightspeed]

I expect I'll just get pissed off and call for public beatings. ;)

[seeric]

February at the Xbiz show will be a surprise for everyone.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

I expect I'll just get pissed off and call for public beatings. ;)

A fuckin men.

[B O B]

ive been working out Steve...I can help...

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

and that is exactly the total bullshit type of answer i was expecting.

Dude, We are selfish fuckers. All we care about is our copyrighted pornograph being given away for free. How in the hell does that conflict with fair use in teaching, the press, etc.

.

[Trixxxia]

A1R3K - anyone/everyone can attend this one?

[seeric]

Originally Posted by Trixxxia

A1R3K - anyone/everyone can attend this one?

correct.

xbiz will be a surprise though.

[Jenny S.]

Originally Posted by A1R3K

TUESDAY, There are no easy answers, but there are solutions...

Won't be there, not a big convention-animal myself. If you ever get past the talking stage and if there ever is an organized movement in the industry against piracy/tube-crap, etc., drop me a line. I am in.

[seeric]

Originally Posted by Jenny S.

If you ever get past the talking stage

well beyond that at this point. when the time is right people will know.

Originally Posted by Jenny S.

and if there ever is an organized movement in the industry against piracy/tube-crap,

there is. ;)

Originally Posted by Jenny S.

etc., drop me a line. I am in.

will do.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by Mutt

you are an idiot, you are bringing up such a red herring - 'fair use' of copyrighted pornography would be 1/1000000 of 1% of unauthorized use - a university professor teaching a course in a subject matter that includes pornography or a news organization reporting on a story that includes a link to pornography - that's it, the 99.9999999 % is just plain old theft. so why do you even bring 'fair use' up on an adult industry webmaster board.

fair use does not end at what is explicitly defined in the act itself

backup is a fair use right
recovery is a fair use right
time shifting is a fair use right
format shifting is a fair use right

and none of them are defined explictly in the act

ignoring all of these fair use rights and pretending all of these legitimate fair uses are theft is exactly the type of bullshit i am talking about it.

Include the right of recover and backup and even 99% of the people are
actually downloading the content without purchasing a right to it a torrent is 50% +1 non infringing act.

aren't you the guy who used to stalk one of Lightspeed's models and then Steve himself?

nope i beat the lightspeed legal machine using the same "loophole" steve used to hold on to the kinziekenner.com domain.

Steve just lied to cover up the fact that his trademarks aren't worth the paper they are printed on.

for someone who is doing the same thing to "dawson miller" you should realize how much bullshit his lies are.

[MrBro]

ignorance is bliss.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

backup is a fair use right
recovery is a fair use right
time shifting is a fair use right
format shifting is a fair use right

Get real nobody is backingup, recovering, time shifting or format shifting fucking porn. They are using it and not paying for it. Period.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Get real nobody is backingup, recovering, time shifting or format shifting fucking porn. They are using it and not paying for it. Period.

thank you

[SteveLightspeed]

Gideon is a fucking moron who thinks he is a lawyer. If the moron bothered to get his FACTS straight, he would know that I NEVER OWNED the kinziekenner.com domain, and Kinzie and I parted ways quite amicably.

Fuck off Gideon, I'm really sick of your bullshit.

[seeric]

copyright law does not allow for members of paysites to remove and reupload (distribute) your copyrighted materials. period.

try again.

[L-Pink]

Steve, could I get a 90 minute dvd of your sig?

[seeric]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Steve, could I get a 90 minute dvd of your sig?

on loop!

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

Gideon is a fucking moron who thinks he is a lawyer. If the moron bothered to get his FACTS straight, he would know that I NEVER OWNED the kinziekenner.com domain

i know but that didn't stop you from promising that "the only offical kinzie kenner site would run on kinziekenner.com" when you wanted me to give you raimimiller.com (for free)

and Kinzie and I parted ways quite amicably.

Fuck off Gideon, I'm really sick of your bullshit.

and of course you hired some bubba to pretend to be kinzie for years so surfers would think your archive site was her real site for years.

the same "loophole" you used to do that was what i used to keep the domain raimimiller.com from you and you know it.

Your highly qualified lawyer didn't have the necessary skills to protect you from this layman.

It actually pretty sad that your companies legal department can't successfully beat little old me.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Get real nobody is backingup, recovering, time shifting or format shifting fucking porn. They are using it and not paying for it. Period.

gartner/ neilson both did studies for tv viewers
90% used torrents to get a tv show they missed on traditional tv.
only 10% were using it to get access to content they never paid for.

if i were to for example purchase 3 day pass to milfhunter.com
i have purchased a right to view 10,000+ hours of content.
recovering any of the content i purchased a right to view falls in the same legal area as recovering a "stargate Atlantis" i forgot to tape on friday night.

but if you have an independent research study that disputes that i would love to see it.

but so far this is just another example of the abuse of fair use.

[SteveLightspeed]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

gartner/ neilson both did studies for tv viewers
90% used torrents to get a tv show they missed on traditional tv.
only 10% were using it to get access to content they never paid for.

if i were to for example purchase 3 day pass to milfhunter.com
i have purchased a right to view 10,000+ hours of content.
recovering any of the content i purchased a right to view falls in the same legal area as recovering a "stargate Atlantis" i forgot to tape on friday night.

but if you have an independent research study that disputes that i would love to see it.

but so far this is just another example of the abuse of fair use.

Why don't you come argue your pro-piracy case at Internext? Grow some balls, keyboard warrior.

You really are a fucking idiot.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

gartner/ neilson both did studies for tv viewers
90% used torrents to get a tv show they missed on traditional tv.
only 10% were using it to get access to content they never paid for.

if i were to for example purchase 3 day pass to milfhunter.com
i have purchased a right to view 10,000+ hours of content.
recovering any of the content i purchased a right to view falls in the same legal area as recovering a "stargate Atlantis" i forgot to tape on friday night.

but if you have an independent research study that disputes that i would love to see it.

but so far this is just another example of the abuse of fair use.

Who the fuck is talking about tv? Stop blurring facts.

[seeric]

i once shot steroids in my tongue strictly for performance reasons.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Who the fuck is talking about tv? Stop blurring facts.

well it the only independent research i can point to (using statistical sampling rules the number could be agregated to other markets - like adult content)

i haven't seen a single independent study or report for the adult industry, and if the numbers were as great in the case of infringing use (99.999999%) using services like the company i am a partner in you would be able to slow the torrent speed to a crawl by sending connection termination request to the isps of the infringing users.

It not that hard to solve the problem without targeting those who are using the torrents as a legitimate recovery/backup solution.



The fact is given the liciencing of content (videos licienced to multiple sites), the multiple format streams (VCR, DVD, Ipod, etc), and shear volume of content you are selling a right to view with 3 day trials. I would suspect the amount of case law defined fair use (betamax case, rio case, decss, etc) the percentages are even higher.

but again i could be wrong, just point me to the independent research study that proves that 99.99999999% of adult torrent traffic never purchased any right to the content.