GreyWolf

No... you lied.

It has nothing to do with how "we are setup" - you have, by your own admission, no interest in any EU entity which you further claim is transacting funds in the EU.

shunga

If he has a partner in the EU region there's no problem billing through CCBill EU. The only issue that might arise is that that partner has control over the account. In essence sticky is the front man. You can look at that as either a positive or a negative.

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Penny24Seven

what is your program? fucking kids these days

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stickyfingerz

Yes Webby you know it all.....

GreyWolf

Exactly the point shunga. Neither Sticky or any LLC he may have has control of processing/funds re the EU.

Dunno... but possibly this may be fine between a couple of trusted friends on their websites, but sure sounds like a very rocky scenario in the instance of a "program" where others, eg affiliates are being involved.

GreyWolf

Obviously I do and you don't

That was yet another meaningful, open and honest post my man..

stickyfingerz

Moron continues on. Mr. Nunnya Bizness says hello btw.

GreyWolf

I'll repeat this post since it's clear you still don't get the point and still trying to avoid addressing the issue, but lying about it instead.

stickyfingerz

Ya just flat out Fuck off. Unless you know more than CCBill does then shut the fuck up friggin wanker.

shunga

I don't think affiliates are at great risk. This is pretty much the cleanest scenario for him to have a fresh start. Whether he takes full advantage of it only time will tell.

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GreyWolf

Oh dear - the lad's ignorance is showing thru again. Is that what happens when you are caught lying again Sticky??

CCBill have nothing to do with *you* processing in the EU - you already admitted this. You claim to have a "Euro partner" who you further claim has an EU entity in which you have no interest.

What exactly is hard to understand???? DUH!!!!!

stickyfingerz

Yes you seem to ignore all logic here so just carry on with it.

If we did not have a Euro partner than how would we have a Euro CCBill account umm duh...

GreyWolf

Depends on the future scenario with a claimed EU corp shunga and possibly to a degree on the alleged "partnership relationship".

Simple and far more clean cut is for Sticky Incorporated to have their own EU corp and presence and under their control. This kinda stuff always ends up messy, but, as you say, for better or worse, it can be a good thing to have another party handling EU processing (based on past track record).

It's far nicer to be "clean" and above board - and can save a hell of a lot of problems.

GreyWolf

I'll rely on your assessment of "logic"???

Well yes... that is the sign of an amateur with little clue.

stickyfingerz

Just shut your ignorant piehole already.

L-Pink

I've read all this and have a few questions. If LLC's aren't recognized in the EU just what entity are funds being handled by? I assume corporations are valid in the EU and if so wasn't this easily explained by a US law firm? Who owns this European entity?

stickyfingerz

The LLC is between Boxer and I. We shoot content for our sites and as any one with a brain knows there could be liabilities from shoots. Anyone with a brain would understand the LLC is there to protect our personal assets incase a liablity claim would arise. Its that Jackass Webby that is trying to say our LLC is Euro based because he is a fucking ass clown. We also have the LLC to help simplify our tax purposes here in the states. For BOTH of those things we are smart to have an LLC and none of that has anything to do with where we process our online payments.

Oh and I was unaware that our partner must be an Enity in order to have a ccbill account... lol

GreyWolf

Now... gotta ask you this Sticky. Are you SURE you really want to play the fantasy role of operating a "sponsor program"???? *lol*

You are so very good with front end PR and show a wealth of knowledge on this subject - it's enough to make ya weep

Now.. seriously - you are your own worst enemy and obviously have a bit to learn, especially when you are "pretty sure" you have a corp etc. As a tip and clue - I know exactly what corps I have an interest in - it's not a matter of being "pretty sure"

Despite your foul track record, I wish you success in this, but it is clear some basics need sorted out else we'll be hearing about the next Sticky fuckup which may affect more than just Sticky. Remember these words

stickyfingerz

NOTHING needs sorted out. We are well aware of what is what, and you are not. That is how it will remain.

You come in and try to undermine our program with utter bullshit. Again Id love to have a face to face with you when I get to Costa. Just let me know when you can make it to Jaco, or hell even SJO. Be glad to "chat"

GreyWolf

You never answered the question Sticky...

stickyfingerz

Have you ever heard of a "silent" partner ass hat? Maybe Hitler is really still alive and he is now a partner in a porn program...

L-Pink

sticky, don't get snotty with me. I don't need a lecture from you on liability and corporations. I'm trying to understand how European billing is being handled ... and so far it appears you don't own a valid European corporation. If I'm wrong please clear the air, ok?

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GreyWolf

Look.. start behaving like an adult and quit being an imbecile.

I am not interested in undermining anything. There are issues which either you do not comprehend or wish to avoid. These can ultimately land you up shit creek - along with affiliate webmasters.

I personally wish you well, but if you fuck up - that's totally in your hands. What I won't listen to is utter bullshit which can affect other webmasters when you have potential problems.

If you claim to be honest - there is no biggie and nothing to hide. So far you have deviated and avoided the truth (and made claims other than what is actual fact).

Forget the bs Sticky - I don't bs when it comes to biz and more than pleased to help, but don't bother continuing with the banal kid's dialog and lying.

stickyfingerz

We've made it quite clear that the primary CCBill account holder is European and he is our partner. I wasnt being snippy to you, that was directly to Webby. He is a silent partner and that it. He plays the tuba and wears leederhosen I think, but Im not sure. I think he likes to drink dark beer too..

GreyWolf

Stupid is not smart - just trust me.

Boxer3

Jesus this got off topic quick. CCBill will pay affiliates and us, we have a partnership and tons of time and money invested, we're not going anywhere anytime soon. So, what's the problem?

stickyfingerz

Again and for the last time. Our program is fully CCBill and Visa approved. We have things setup properly period. You are not somehow privy to our private company info period. If for some reason we would need to switch over to a non Euro American based CCBill we can do that within 2 weeks and dont think it would even take that long. No links would change, no rebills would change nothing. There is NO risk for affiliates, yet you keep saying we are putting them at risk... Stop trying to stir up shit and mind your own business..

Boxer3

OOmpa OOmpa OOmpa!

GreyWolf

Listen Sticky - not joking.

Based on what you say, you have no interest in a EU entity?? In that case you are not in control - a "partner" is.

Seriously... tho there may be other possibles (more related to personal stuff), but for a start you "need" a corp where y'all are parties and not some EU partner with his own alleged corp handling the processing. That is not a "partnership".

GreyWolf

Duh?? Sheesh... Can't be bothered with this bullshit...

stickyfingerz

Oy Vhey you are off your fuckin rocker tonight. Go knit yourself a sweater or something. Fuck a monkey with a banana I dont care, just fuck off already.

L-Pink

I understand the CCBill account holder is European. I understand your partner is European. I read where you stated you had a European LLC. I read where GreyWolf stated LLC's weren't recognized in Europe.

So here's the question ..... Is your partnership a hand-shake deal or is there actual paperwork ...

GreyWolf

Obviously you do have a mental abberation when it comes to basic biz.

Wot's the point - you are too stupid and suffering from excess testosterone. A waste of time.

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stickyfingerz

There are written contracts yes. We DO NOT have a European LLC. There is no such thing that I am aware of. This is the problem when people who have no idea of how a business is structured try to play super sleuths.

We have written contracts with our Euro partner. Which does in fact make us partners... lol Boxer and I have a LLC in the U.S. to protect us from liability of a model having an accident during a shoot, being sued whatever could arise. It also helps with Tax concerns between our dual expenses for the business and makes it so we can file easier.

Signed contracts doneby our lawyer. There is no problem here. Just Webby and DirectCumFiesta trying to stir up shit.

Funny they dont stick their nose into any of the other fresh start up programs and demand to know their biz structure.. lol

stickyfingerz

Fake nick Fake Nick Fake nick.

GreyWolf

Quick summary - tho only based on what Sticky has said.

There is a US LLC where there are US partners, including Sticky. There is another EU corp where there is a "EU partner" and this corp transacts in the EU.

Again, based on what Sticky has said, the US LLC or Sticky etc, have no interest in the alleged EU corp - this is owned by the "EU partner".

The EU corp is approved to conduct biz within the EU - not Sticky or the US LLC.

Tho.. gotta take that with a pinch of salt - what is said may not be accurate.

Boxer3

That sums it up well

Boxer3

This is how I understand it as well.......let's sit up all night thinking of ways to further complicate things and forget about actually working

L-Pink

sticky, You came here announcing a new program. Anyone wanting to participate will want to know details about getting paid. From what YOU have stated the checks will get cut from your European partner. However there is no legal entity, ie; corporation that you own a part of.

So an unknown stranger somewhere in Europe will be sending out checks.

Am I overlooking something or are you?

Goodnight, good luck ..... Lee

Gordon G

Why am i a fake Nick ?

GreyWolf

OK.. dumping your idiot comments ...

At least we may be reaching a level of possible truth. Fine.. you have "contracts" with an EU "partner" who handles EU processing.

So.. you have finally admitted that "you" do not have any control over the activities of an EU corp and rely on "contracts".

Boxer3

BTW I have multiple personalities.......I am in the states some days, other days I am Sven Svinkohllsohn, the European "partner". By medical reason, it is working.

Boxer3

CCBill pays affiliates the same exact way they would if it were a U.S. account. I'm sorry you thought differently.

stickyfingerz

For God sakes its CCBILL. The checks are cut FROM CCBILL. We dont touch anyones cash... Seriously...

GreyWolf

Seriously Boxer - try and behave above the level of Sticky. It does your program no credit otherwise.

The issue raised was very basic and fundamental - it's not a stupid joke for potential webmasters who may sign up in your program.

Boxer3

What part do you not understand? Affiliates are paid from CCBill directly, where the account originates is totally irrelevant. I thought that would be common knowledge which is why I felt the need for sarcasm

stickyfingerz

You show me one other sponsor that has been forced to reveal every partner that their business has. Jesus Christ. Do you know how many large programs have partners no one is aware of. Comes down to send traffic if you want. Its ccbill based. They cut the checks. No fucking program is made out of granite and going to survive a nuclear war. We dont plan on going anywhere. If you like what we have.. then send traffic. We will do more than our best to assist anyone in whatever they need to promote us. It is in our best interest to do so obviously. We put way too much time and money into this to just give up.

Just because a Pakistani from Canada, and an exiled UK resident that fled to Costa Rica for whatever reason think we may not have everything right means shit.

We are just like any other new program. We will have our growing pains, and we will have mistakes we will learn from. This is normal. Deal with it. I know we will.

stickyfingerz