BFT3K

Let's help fuck those who seem happy to fuck us.

Every time you run across a sponsor who is advertising or benefiting from a tube site call them out on this thread.

Every time, and EVERY ONE OF THEM!

Then, next time you are thinking about promoting a site, a program, or a product, revisit this thread and double check who the traitors are.

If you wish to help your own industry, then NEVER support a tube sponsor or owner!

2008 will be a make or break year for this biz.

It is up to us to STOP THE TUBES!

Jdoughs

Brazzers, massive ad on redtube

It even claims its the "only site worth paying for"

http://tour.brazzers.com/ads/dynamic...TQ1NjE6Nzo0MQ/

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WarChild

Not all tubes are using stolen content. If you expect us to "call out all tubes", even the ones not employing theft, simply because you don't like the business model, then go fuck yourself.

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tony286

Im curious is there a big one that doesnt have stolen content?

sortie

The solution is to take the traffic back!

See Sig!

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brandonstills

How do we separate the legit sites that are working with us from those that are not? We don't want to penalize them if they are doing everything in their power and generally being responsible and policing their own sites. Also, many programs are submitting content in order to get links back to their sites.

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LeRoy

hmmm this is interesting

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WarChild

Not really my problem.

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BFT3K

Okay, good point. Maybe this thread is too extreme.

Let it die, or maybe limit the criteria to tube sites that offer clips that exceed 5 minutes, and/or are based on a very obvious amount of stolen content.

I just keep trying to figure out ways to stop the cancer before it spreads any further...

BFT3K

There is no sense or longevity to this "business model" Unless you in the business of giving out free porn and training surfers to believe they do not need to pay for porn.

Is this a "business model" ???

Revenue from ad clicks? Really? How will the tubes compete with each other over time?...

Longer FREE clips than their competitors? More FREE porn in more FREE PORN niches than the competition? More extreme FREE porn than your competition?

This "business model" you speak of is as short-sighted a plan as one can possibly imagine.

The "business model" is tube sites kill the online pay-for-porn sites, and then eat each other. This is no "business model".

They will get the attention of governments soon, as they allow ANYONE to access FREE porn, regardless of age, and even if they do not destroy the biz via their brilliant "business model" then they will shine a light on it, that does none of us any good.

brandonstills

I was thinking of creating a quick database driven page where we can submit the infringers and links and all that stuff, but then I thought, wait, would we be doing damage to legitimate people? I'm not sure? Not sure about redtube, I haven't heard much about it, but something like piratebay I can imagine boycotting since they don't really have anything legit on there.

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Jdoughs

Make up your mind.

It either bothers you enough to tell someone to go fuck themselves, OR its not your problem. Which is it?

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brandonstills

You make a few good points but I can't agree with you totally. From a business model they are the same as MGP's. The difference is they are pirating stuff as well. It's not the model in question, it's the piracy. Definitely a difficult problem that many people are wondering about.

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Barefootsies

If you, or the government wants to kill porn tube sites chief. All you have to do is point the FBI in their direction.

Maybe you've heard of 2257?

How many of these sites comply to their stolen content? Um yeah...

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tony286

You made the statement not all of them use stolen content. So its a problem to name a big one that doesnt have stolen content? Im just asking who they are?

BFT3K

Yeah, unfortunately it is tough to determine who the deliberate thieves are, and who the accidental ones are. That's why I just oppose the whole idea of free porn tube sites in general. Too much free porn = less pay for porn.

WarChild

Well I guess if you say so it must be true.

First we had tgps, and they were going to kill the industry.
Then we had mgps, and they were for sure going to kill the industy.
Now tube sites are going to ... Sound familiar?

You can give away up to say about 5 minute clips, with links pointing to paysites, and still make sales. I know it's true, I do it all the time. Please don't tell my customers that they're freeloaders, they seem to have forgotten.

As for your government legislation .. You must be American, right? You know what the rest of the World thinks about your silly little laws? Not all that much.

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BFT3K

Not really the same as MGP's, as MGP's generally offer a couple of 10 to 60 second low-res samples in hopes of driving traffic to the actual pay site.

Most tube sites are not redirecting traffic back to the pay sites they belong to, and many are now hiding the clip's watermark too, so there is no redirect.

Try to start a tube site with JUST 30 second clips, like a traditional MGP, and you will not have a very popular tube site.

You will have to compete by offering longer clips, more extreme clips, larger resolutions, etc.

You cannot compete within a business model that works best when you are offering bigger, faster and better free porn than your competition. It just doesn't make sense on any level.

My 2 cents anyway...

WarChild

I know of a couple. They use a markably different business model. There's two reasons I won't give you the names though.

1) I'll be creating competition on those sites for myself. No thanks.
2) I'm copying that business model, as I'm sure many others are. I don't need to give anyone else the exact roadmap. Maybe once mine are up

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Barefootsies

Until the ISP's start hammering sites like Comcast did.

http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news...le.php/3721751

Then there is the fact you are stealing content, and silly little registrars, and hosting companies.

Silly little laws are not needed...

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BFT3K

Are we 5 years old now?

There is no comparison.

Four 5 minute clips equals 20 minutes of FREE porn. How many 5 minute clips do you think is good?[/QUOTE]

Was I asking for government legistation? I don't think so, but "if you say it it must be true" lol!

WarChild

I've said this before, but it's worth repeating.

You're right that the stolen content MASSIVE clip model is no business model. It's flat out theft.

At one time, movie galleries had a similiar evolution. You see, at first, it was impossible for affiliates to host movies for galleries. Bandwidth was way too expensive. What people did was use ISP webspace, hotlinking and various other methods to "steal" the bandwidth. Eventually, this got cleaned up, bandwidth prices came down and the modern day movie gallery model was borned. Most importantly, it worked.

So yes, it's going to be very, very, very hard to compete with people offering 10 minute + stolen clips. But that's going to have to end. Content producers will eventually land some big judgments against sites, hosts or even sponsors, and then that model will come down like a house of cards. Who will be left to pick up all those surfers now used to tube site content delivery? The moderate, legal tube sites, using clips longer than we're used to now, but much shorter than stolen content sites. Think around 2-5 minute range.

Now, if you want to hold on to the view that anything more than some arbitrary number of seconds simply can't make sales, then I guess we'll just have to disagree.

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WarChild

Let's be clear here what I mean.

There's certain laws that are universally accepted as being good that relate here. For instance, theft is wrong. Stealing somebody's content, abusing their copyright, for sure all wrong. I think pretty much every country can agree on that, or should.

However, the USA makes laws like say for instance 2257, that the rest of the World sees as being clownish. Sure, if you want to sell content to Americans you'll have to respect it, but if you want to run a paysite in the EU, maybe not so much.

When people start talking about legislation to "protect" people from free porn, it just comes across as silly.

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BFT3K

Who is suggesting additional government legislation?

This is the second time you have referenced this within this thread.

Shoehorn!

I could be wrong, but I believe that the loophole with 2257 and content theft is if its "user submitted" they aren't really responsible in the same respect legitimate sites are. Thats the reason you don't see any of these "amateur girlfriend" type sites going down.

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Agreed.

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Barefootsies

I believe there is a provision that pertains to it is being actively moderated or not.

That was the court case with that woman's site who had other women dogging some lawyer guy. Her board, or site, was not moderated. She let people do, and say what they wanted.

But I would have to double check. In the case of search engines, and their loophole. You have to file, or do something for DMCA protection.

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