Axeman

Not a single president has taken the white house without winning the Ohio primary as well in their respective parties.

When it comes down to it the GE always hinges on Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida.

Alky

Right kind of like the general election in 2000 when popular vote got taken down by the electoral college

baddog

Maybe where you live. But I have yet to hear of a state setting different rules for different parties.

Perhaps you can show me an example.

Snake Doctor

I never said Zogby wasn't reputable, I said he's been off this campaign season....and that's a fact.
He's obviously having a hard time figuring out which voters will show up and which ones won't.....he must be oversampling some groups and undersampling others, he hasn't even been close to the actual election results yet this year.

My point in that post was that if you were going to show me an online poll conducted by a pro-Clinton blog then that's obviously not a fair or accurate reading of how the majority of democrats feel about an issue.....but if it was an unbiased poll conducted by professionals then it would carry some weight.

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Axeman

Not to mention both WY and MS are red states that the dems got no hope of winning come Nov either way, while Pennsylvania is a pretty important swing state.

Just like Missiouri which can go either way and he won. By 1/10 of a percent but still won.

Axeman

Oh I agree Zogby has been way off. Its clear he is under/oversampling the latino and A.A demographics to get the poll results he wants. Gives the press what they want and you make coin. But he overplayed his hand this year and is looking like a joke of late.

baddog

For example, in CA, are you suggesting that the State of California is forcing the Democrats to allow Independents to vote on their ballot and not allowing the Republicans to do that?

Snake Doctor

Ummmmm....before tonight Obama was ahead by about 1 million votes.

How her +330K tonight makes it a dead heat or gives her a lead must be more of that Clinton math.

He's ahead by about 600K votes now.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...ote_count.html

I really need to stop doing this....it makes absolutely no sense for me to argue about this with people who have no regard for the truth...or the facts....or the numbers......but who apparently just make shit up to support their candidate and then tell me I have to refute it in order to be believable.

According to your argument, John Kerry should have won the presidency in 2004 because he won the "big states" and George Bush won the "small states" that according to you don't really matter.....even though GWB won the popular vote and the electoral college that year......the same way Obama has won the popular vote and the delegate count in this primary season.

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GrouchyAdmin

Actually, in Nevada, the Democrats were allowing direct, same-day registration for former non-voters, and party changes, but the Republicans were unable to offer the same services as they didn't find the Dems had it until late, and were then blocked from doing so.

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baddog

Because of the RNC or the State of NV?

Is Lenny suggesting that FL did not count because of rules set by the State of Florida?

Snake Doctor

They don't set different rules for different parties.....where you're mistaken is that you think all of the republican primaries are closed when they're not.

In New Hamshire, independents are allowed to vote in either primary, but democrats and republicans are only allowed to vote in their own party's primary.

Today in Texas, any registered voter was allowed to vote in whichever primary they wanted. These rules are set by the state, not by the political parties.

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Snake Doctor

That's exactly why.....it wasn't the FLA democratic party that decided to move the primary up....it was Florida's state legislature. The DNC said the primary wouldn't count but the state moved it up anyways (republican controlled legislature and governor)

Jesus christ old man.....do I really have to be your fucking civics professor here? The least you could do is google this shit and learn for yourself before you come in here telling me that I don't know what I'm talking about.

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Snake Doctor

I'm done with this....no more political threads here for me....I'm sick of debating people who have no regard for the truth or the facts or the numbers.....but who just make shit up to suit their purpose.

I'll start a thread on Jan 20, 2009 when Obama is being inagurated....until then, it was nice knowing ya.

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baddog

There is a difference between winning them in a primary and winning them in the General Election, and Kerry did not win enough big states. Like TX, OH, FL, GA, NC . . .

Alky

Can you just tell me where it says that if you have the delegate lead without hitting the threshold that all the super delegates go to you.

thats the fact.

baddog

It was the DNC that decided they would not count. Not the state.

spanky part 2

But it was the state run by republicans that moved up the election. They knew it was against dnc rules but did it anyway. So it was the state that made the decision.