One day german age verification will come all over the adult internet... - GoFuckYourself.com

MaDalton · 04-09-2008, 11:53 AM

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In an indictment filed by the grand jury today, Malibu, Calif. resident John Stagliano and two of his companies, Evil Angel Productions, Inc. and John Stagliano, Inc., both located in Van Nuys, Calif., were charged with three counts of using a facility of interstate commerce to sell and distribute DVDs containing obscene films together with a movie trailer in violation of 18 U.S.C. SS 1465; two counts of using a common carrier for the conveyance or delivery of DVDs containing obscene films in interstate commerce in violation of 18 U.S.C. SS 1462; one count of engaging in the business of selling or transferring an obscene film and a movie trailer in violation of 18 U.S.C. SS 1466; one count of using an interactive computer service to display an obscene movie trailer in a manner available to a person under 18 years of age, in violation of 47 U.S.C. SS 223 (d); and one count seeking forfeiture of certain assets of the defendants under 18 U.S.C. SS 1467. According to the indictment, the defendants, producers of the films charged in the indictment, distributed the films to the public by means of common carrier and the Internet.

the mandatory age verification systems over here would have prevented that - it's only a question of time till someone finds that out and it will be required for US based sites too

GT-Omar · 04-09-2008, 12:02 PM

Speaking of which. I never got that link that you were supposed to send me when we talked in Phx

MaDalton · 04-09-2008, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Revshare-Omar

Speaking of which. I never got that link that you were supposed to send me when we talked in Phx

ohhh - sorry - must be my alzheimer ;)

one sec, i'll mail ya

GT-Omar · 04-09-2008, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

ohhh - sorry - must be my alzheimer ;)

one sec, i'll mail ya

SAWEET!!!!

aico · 04-09-2008, 12:07 PM

What is it? I don't see it on your site ;)

Nikki_Licks · 04-09-2008, 12:08 PM

I really would not doubt it a bit. In this country under this corrupt government...one hand doesn't know what the other is doing.

And I wish I had the time to sit, drink a beer and chat with you in Phoenix......ahhhhhwelll....next time I will be sure to do this.
Great meeting you MaDalton

Eriic · 04-09-2008, 12:09 PM

Everyone is in violation if you go by that!

one count of using an interactive computer service to display an obscene movie trailer in a manner available to a person under 18 years of age, in violation of 47 U.S.C. SS 223 (d);

MaDalton · 04-09-2008, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by aico

What is it? I don't see it on your site ;)

we moved our company to czech republic because of that - otherwise you as a client would have been forced to pass the german age verfication thing. which would kill my business within 3 days

now they don't get my tax money either - their bad

aico · 04-09-2008, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

we moved our company to czech republic because of that - otherwise you as a client would have been forced to pass the german age verfication thing. which would kill my business within 3 days

now they don't get my tax money either - their bad

I still don't know what it is? Is it that annoying thing where you have to pick your birthdate then sign your name? I lie on that thing all thing time and put funny names or messages about how annoying it is.

GT-Omar · 04-09-2008, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by aico

I still don't know what it is? Is it that annoying thing where you have to pick your birthdate then sign your name? I lie on that thing all thing time and put funny names or messages about how annoying it is.

Basically it's a warning page on steroids

MaDalton · 04-09-2008, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by aico

I still don't know what it is? Is it that annoying thing where you have to pick your birthdate then sign your name? I lie on that thing all thing time and put funny names or messages about how annoying it is.

if it was that easy...

you need something thats called face to face verification - that can be a live webcam check (you gotta hold your ID and your face into a webcam) or that can be for example a letter with a pincode that you receive by mail and that the mailman will only hand out to you personally - and not to someone below 18. i think there are also 2 or 3 other possibilities - but they are all equally absurd

crockett · 04-09-2008, 12:19 PM

Last I heard the German system required a 'hardware" USB dongle. Sorry but if that's still the case any 12 yo can beat those things. Just ask the software developers whom gave up using them a long time ago when trying to fight piracy.

bobby666 · 04-09-2008, 12:21 PM

the german age verificationsystems are really something special on this planet:

did you know that a passport + a creditcard or bankaccount is not enough to verify the age in germany ?

germans have to use "face to face control" which means that the postman has to control you, if it is not a minor using daddy's creditcard.
some german avs even use usb sticks for login on your pc, and who thinks that's more than enough:
some avs are using additional pin codes you get per email, each login use another pin ...

+ german avs systems are fighting against each other, by jusrist who have no qualms to admonish ALL webmasters using the "wrong" avs system.

germany is really a sick country

ADL Colin · 04-09-2008, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

I really would not doubt it a bit. In this country under this corrupt government...one hand doesn't know what the other is doing.

Such a law already passed in 1998. Fortunately the Supreme Court overruled it.

MaDalton · 04-09-2008, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Last I heard the German system required a 'hardware" USB dongle. Sorry but if that's still the case any 12 yo can beat those things. Just ask the software developers whom gave up using them a long time ago when trying to fight piracy.

it exists, but it's not the only method

and that system with the dongle is barely used, that's why probably no one made the effort yet to hack it. actually i have no idea if it was hacked or not. and i don't care either

BluntsandBitches · 04-09-2008, 12:32 PM

why do i automatically think of scat when i see the word german?

Nikki_Licks · 04-09-2008, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ADL Colin

Such a law already passed in 1998. Fortunately the Supreme Court overruled it.

Never knew that. Thanks for the info

frank7799 · 04-09-2008, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by aico

I still don't know what it is? Is it that annoying thing where you have to pick your birthdate then sign your name? I lie on that thing all thing time and put funny names or messages about how annoying it is.

In Germany age verifcation systems are required to protect minors from explicit content. If a user signs up to your site, he may do it online, but you are not allowed to give him access to your site unless somebody has checked his age by viewing an official document like a passport.

Of course there are several ways to do it. One of those in Germany is called "PostIdent". The login data to your site is sent to the user by mail (I´m not kidding, really) and the postman has to check the passport.

There are other options, of course. One of them is "SchuFa". SchuFa is a company which usually collect customer data about debts. So if you want to open a credit, the bank will ask SchuFa before if you are solvent. SchuFa has one of the largest databases including age verification and they offer one for online companies. Basically the user gets his login data by bankwire.

A German webmaster has to comply with this regulations, at least if he offers porn to German users.

So it is much more then typing in your birthdate in an online form.

MaDalton · 04-09-2008, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by m4yadult

In Germany age verifcation systems are required to protect minors from explicit content. If a user signs up to your site, he may do it online, but you are not allowed to give him access to your site unless somebody has checked his age by viewing an official document like a passport.

Of course there are several ways to do it. One of those in Germany is called "PostIdent". The login data to your site is sent to the user by mail (I´m not kidding, really) and the postman has to check the passport.

There are other options, of course. One of them is "SchuFa". SchuFa is a company which usually collect customer data about debts. So if you want to open a credit, the bank will ask SchuFa before if you are solvent. SchuFa has one of the largest databases including age verification and they offer one for online companies. Basically the user gets his login data by bankwire.

A German webmaster has to comply with this regulations, at least if he offers porn to German users.

So it is much more then typing in your birthdate in an online form.

and in comes the man for the really competent answers - thanks, frank!

ADL Colin · 04-09-2008, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

Never knew that. Thanks for the info

scared the shit outta me. i was running free sites at the time.

SMASHXXX · 04-09-2008, 12:49 PM

can you show us how it works?

frank7799 · 04-09-2008, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

and in comes the man for the really competent answers - thanks, frank!

We should constitute a Czech company for German webmasters to promote foreign affiliate programs.

pornguy · 04-09-2008, 12:55 PM

What cracks me the fuck up about all the age verification systems, and people being arrested because some Minro MIGHT be able to see the video is simply this. WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE PARENTS!!!!! And why are they not being charged for allowing the kids to view porn.

Nikki_Licks · 04-09-2008, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ADL Colin

scared the shit outta me. i was running free sites at the time.

We entered the adult scene in 2001 so I guess we missed that era.

MaDalton · 04-09-2008, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

What cracks me the fuck up about all the age verification systems, and people being arrested because some Minro MIGHT be able to see the video is simply this. WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE PARENTS!!!!! And why are they not being charged for allowing the kids to view porn.

don't try to apply logic - doesn't work

Hentaikid · 04-09-2008, 04:34 PM

I can see them pushing it in europe... Germans have a lot of pull here

tony286 · 04-09-2008, 04:38 PM

If every goes tubes give it all away let ads pay for it, I can see that coming easy.

Jai · 04-09-2008, 06:30 PM

this kills seo

tony286 · 04-09-2008, 07:49 PM

does anyone have a german porn site url would like to see what it looks like

bobby666 · 04-09-2008, 11:36 PM

http://schluesselherrin.avs-passes.com/

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does anyone have a german porn site url would like to see what it looks like

poornpig · 04-10-2008, 12:14 AM

Oh the "schluesselherrin" ... hehe

I already had some ideas to implement an global AVS which makes "face 2 face" verification. I think in Germany it would not work, but in every other Country it should.
My opinion is, you should ask yourself: _When_ will i need such a crazy thing?
If its to late, and you do need such a thing by law you an not choose anymore. People would begin to start building AVS for local laws.
Ok you would have the posibility to say: I am going to take geoip and show the AVS only for People from US. What about the trillions of AOL Users, that seem to come all from US?
Or you could say: I do only the US Market.
Have you noticed what happened in Germany with youporn?
The DNS Entries of youporn where changed by _law_, because they do not do Age Verification for German users.

Think about it look at your traffic and think once more about it.

Do not think about how you would grow _your_ children.

I think almost everyone in Europe laughs about the "Caution hot beverage" Stickers .... hehe

D Ghost · 04-10-2008, 01:15 AM

are you retarded

poornpig · 04-10-2008, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by deejne

are you retarded

I would be if i i would talk about local law AVS which would grow if they would be needed.

Try to immagine an global AVS which is used by everyone over 18 or 21.

Ok this still kills SEO. But it would be better than an AVS for e.g.: _only_ Texas then you have to use one more (A different one) for Kentucky maybe one more for France users and one for Japanese users. WTF! This would kill you because you would need one for every Country with their own laws.

Now try to immagine it would be like:

There is no need for the governments to make crazy laws because the children surfing without the parents (Where are the fu*king parents. Maybe buying some guns...) could not access porn because of an AVS.

Do you think the governments would make such kind of laws if there would be no need to protect the children from porn in the internet?

I do not say the internet is a place for children! But the internet isn't anymore the geek thing and everyone wants to get connected without knowlege about it.

And what would a Catholic US Senator say if he would see his little son surfing for porn?

frank7799 · 04-10-2008, 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by poornpig

Do you think the governments would make such kind of laws if there would be no need to protect the children from porn in the internet?

Yes, I´m pretty sure.

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