vanbest

Hello everyone,

I'd like to make it clear right from the start, I am not trying to blame anyone of anything, at least not yet, that's why I am asking everyone on this board about their opinion about these stats, they're from January 1st - April 18th 2008... I mean is it only me or there's something fishy around here? How are your stats doing while promoting Nasty Dollars?

I'm pretty sure that there will be some people starting to bullshit my traffic or whatever but facts are written, prove me wrong or let's get some answers from Nasty.

So? any insight? NastyDollars, you are a well-known and respectable sponsor but I doubt your good will this time.

Ivo

You have to test more sites to see whats converting with your traffic

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Roald

what kind of traffic?

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Jens Van Assterdam

Thats no traffic to test a sponsor. You barely sent any site more then 1k hits..

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vanbest

For a fact, they use to convert ok until the end of December last year so everything was nice and dandy. Since, all my sites have increased in traffic, productivity is ok but nothing in sign-ups, that's why I have some doubts in even still being counted in their system...

vanbest

Jeez... Dude, that's not a test anymore, we're talking about uniques over here... in fact, how are your stats doing?

Roald

simple, lots of sponsors to choose from. Just move on to the next!

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vanbest

It's just I've put a lot of work in their content, I have thousands of thumbs preview done among the years... who would've thought that they're going to shav... ooops, to do something wrong? Maybe that's what they where thinking at? Something like: "we'll catch a WM through his work and he HAS to stick with us"?

Paparazzi

It's 15k total between different sites...if it was 15k to ONE site it would be something to consider. What kind of traffic do you send?

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Tempest

I've made $ 0.0235 per hit for the same period... You're making 1/10th of that so must be your traffic or how you're trying to convert it.

vanbest

Tempest and Paparazzi,

I've thought about my traffic quality, therefore I've tried to filter and to increase the productivity; more of that, the same traders I used to have in the past (last year), I still have them now so it's less probably to have major changes in my traffic quality. I agree that I might have deleted/added a trade or two but the productivity didn't change.

On the other hand, how do you guys explain that sign-ups suddenly stopped at the end of December? I assume that ND had made some changes in their system and, somehow, my account was ... put aside, let's say?...

Roald

show a screencap from august till jan.

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Tempest

Productivity doesn't mean squat... You could have chinese traffic with 500% producivity and you'd make no money... And as others have indicated, the qty of traffic you've sent over 4+ months isn't enough to truly gauge what's going on.

Tempest

Are you using FHGs? Do you have a large qty of "fresh" galleries coming in all the time? You've said yourself you have the same traffic sources as last year.. Unless things are nice and fresh, then your conversions will naturally get lower and lower as time progresses.

vanbest

Great ideea QuaShe, here it is, it's the printscreen of the second half of last year, since August 1st 'till December 31st 2007. Remember, no major changes in traffic... What do you think?

vanbest

Yep, I've tried to keep up with the new released content but still nothing. After a while, untill last two weeks or so, I've just stopped making thumbs, what would be the point to work for nothing?

Jens Van Assterdam

Post the site your promoting ND with..

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vanbest

Correct, I should've say conversion rate, please take a look at the second print screen I've posted

Roald

8th street and team squirt are not on the last screencap.

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vanbest

I'd like to have an overall answer before doing this... I am not sure I even want to do that though, just stick to the facts and that's it. If I am telling you I am promoting them you just have to believe me. It's a well known fact there are lots of sponsors' employees around jumping on Webmasters throat whenever they complain about something. Sorry man, no go.

vanbest

You should've look to the ratios but here is it, the second part...

vanbest

I'll have to go now but I'll keep an eye on this thread, hopefully I'll get some answers from NastyDollars.

Thanks.

tranza

I agree 100% with what you're saying.

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Roald

ok so basically:
TeamSquirt and MikeInBrasil were doing shit already.
8thstreet dropped down, and round and brown did the same.
you stopped sending to AllSiteAccess

You should have stopped pushing TS and MIB already judging on the stats above but to be honest you have send to few hits this year to really say something about it imo

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Tempest

Yep.. the only site that you "could" look at and think maybe something was wrong would be 8thSLs... But even with that one, because of the time frames, I'd say that his current poor conversions are still statistically in the ball park of what his previous ratio was... A site that's getting 1:500 consistently can have a 1:11000 period (all things being equal) every once in a blue moon and still fall within 3 standard deviations...

However, I have a feeling he lost some quality traffic somewhere along the way whether it was a high quality trade, SE and/or bookmarkers.

vanbest

All right, so there are two main conclusions in here, either I've lost some serious trades, either the traffic is not directed properly to the right niche... I have a feeling though that Nasty, through its too often content updating, has over saturated the internet.

Thanks to everyone for the constructive way of conducting this thread, it would've been nice if anyone from NastyDollars would've intervene in this thread, at least to offer to check my account...

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bausch

You are not sending enough traffic to one particular site. You should push Bigtitsboss and Inthevip. Those do good for me.

CunningStunt

Last time I publicly pointed out any particular issues I had with nasty and their stats, soon enough my figures went from bad to worse.

That was several years ago, and I haven't touched any of their sites ever since. I'm talking SEO traffic going from 1:300 to 1:4000.

Anyways, they are so heavily promoted and have been for the last 5 years, it really is time to do something more constructive with your traffic. Seriously, give other sponsors a go.

RTP

I agree sending to these and RK main are much better options (assuming you are sending general traffic)

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Anybody here from NastyDollars?

vanbest

Agree, I think deep in my thoughts, I wanted to hear that... finally someone that agrees with my point of view maybe it's time to start all over again... Ok, it's definitely do-able but can anyone share a good sponsor, who doesn't shave, have good content, use epassporte and convert?

vanbest

Actually I have several sites and ND content is spread all over them, that's why one can think that I have a general site or so.

PlugRush Sascha

I have noticed a significant drop in my conversion ratio with NastyDollars this month as well. I don't know what to attribute this drop to, but I will be moving on to other sponsors as well if things do not improve. I like the variety NastyDollars offers and the content is terrific, but they must've changed something that is causing an issue with signups.

All of last year (2007): 412 signups at a ratio of 1:687
January 1st - 31st, 2008: 32 signups at a ratio of 1:1228
February 1st - 29th, 2008: 32 signups at a ratio of 1:943
March 1st - 31st, 2008: 41 signups at a ratio of 1:879
April 1st - April 19th, 2008: 4 signups at a ratio of 1:5211

And yes, I am using the same traffic sources as I always have. You can't really explain a ratio pretty much dropping from one day to the next from 1:1k or better to 1:5k unless there is a sudden change of some type.

My other sponsors are converting the same as they always have off of the same type of traffic I am sending to NastyDollars.

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V_RocKs

I am looking at one of my accounts. YTD it has twice as much traffic as you. However, my traffic is grouped to certain sites a lot tighter than yours is grouped. I have 67 sales YTD on this account. Converting 1:516 on SEO traffic.

I have actually gotten better in the last few weeks. The sites also promote fling for 23 more signups.

I have a few sites at 0:3000 but I have a lot at 1:160 or 1:340 tops.

Last year mid Sept to the end of the year I did the same traffic but only 38 signups and 2 fling.

So I would have to say that my ratio improved over this time period.

Looking at your stats I would have to agree that 1:15000 sucks. However, your site to site ratio is still about the same and last year could have been excellent with early sales and now you are on the outside of the sine-wave.

Focus on obtaining more sources of traffic. You are sending 120 to 140 hits a day. That is not a lot of hits. Things even out a lot when you are sending 400 to 500.. They get almost flat lined at 1500-2000 hits... And you can start selling prejoins at 10,000 hits because there will be no monthly fluctuation.

The bottom line is that your hits are not enough to give you a good picture.

vanbest

It's relieving that I'm not the only one and I am sure there are many more out there with the same problem but this is not a good news, obvious. I start to think the problem is spreaded, a bit from our traffic but ND has to change something, too. I've blamed the porn tube sites for offering tooooo fucking much free porn, so? how on earth a surfer would sign-up?
Although my long lasting traffic partners are, overall the same, I've added some other ones down the road, at their turn they might have some cheaters in their trades which are spreading bots and shit. It's so hard to catch those mo-fo's these days but how can we track them down? This could be another reason why the sign-ups dropped so fast.

vanbest

Thanks, I am already thinking to make some changes: outsource more traffic, sponsor and layout wise. Freakin' big project... I guess I fell in love with the thousands of thumbs that I've did (read "hard work")...

Trax

I would say nasty is known for having fluctuating ratios lol

CunningStunt

fluckyouover ratios.....

would laugh more if I hadn't been shafted myself

polle54

This is my 2008

I almost haven't promoted them but here are the stats anyhow.

It is purely SE traffic from blogs.



It seems it's only Moneytalks I am able to convert.

But then again my numbers with nastydollars are way to small for any conclusions

All traffic is more specifically coming from the same blog.

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polish_aristocrat

funny how everyone says that he should send more traffic

its a sad state of this industry when 15k uniques bring only one sale and pople are just saying "that's not enough traffic"

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vanbest

Sweet! You don't have to worry too much about your conversions since it's all SE traffic, good for you. Still, 1:1222 is not ok at all, especially that it's a well known fact that SE traffic is highly productive and a great seller, see bookmarks as well.... Where are the days when the ratio was 1 in under 500...

Ron Bennett

NastyDollars conversions have dropped considerably, but so has that of many other similar programs.

Your traffic likely isn't the problem, it's you're sending it to the wrong place...

The 'ol cookie cutter 10,000 pics / 100 videos websites aren't overly compelling to most websurfers who have access to millions of images and tens of thousands of videos free through tube sites...

But one can't blame tube sites alone ... because even before tubes took off, many surfers were already getting their fill free from google image / video search.

Ron

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If 15k uniques brings 1 sale the problem is not send more traffic. It's send better targeted traffic to better sites. I looked at a few sites and they need to rethink their tours. IMO

Some are good and some are adverts for other sites and some are just not in the niche. Milf is not 30 year olds. It's 40 year olds.

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Kimo

point is it was 15k over several months

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I disagree with this, Mysites are old school and we convert less than 1:300 on all of them

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vanbest

[QUOTE=I disagree with this, Mysites are old school and we convert less than 1:300 on all of them[/QUOTE]

Old school meaning small thumb previews or...? There are some sites out there, deeply implemented in the bookmark area, trusted by surfers and domain names easy to remember, some of them still have small thumbs and traffic as hell, new ones though have bigger and bigger thumbs that almost drain ones bandwidth but, hey, it's all about traffic.

mopek1

Hi Vanbest,

I'm doing ok with them and have for 2008 so far. Ok meaning average 1:1500 which is pretty good compared to many other programs.

I have found that the traffic I send has to be VERY targetted to the site I'm sending to, to make sales. Right now I am promoting "sites" rather than programs meaning I promo one, or at MOST, two sites per big sponsor program (Nasty, BBros, Topbucks, TCG etc...).

I have had ratios like yours for almost every program I've tried until I can find a winner. That is, a site that is not only targeted but also NEW and of good quality. There are so many sites out there that look the same as all others that the surfer has no reason to join. I'm sick of seeing a sponsor program announce a "totally new" site that will blow us all away! It's called "Her First Time Audition/Tryout/Sex/PornShoot etc" ... then you see an experienced model pretend to be shy. That worked in 2002 but those type sites are still around. Anyway I'm ranting but I thought I'd just give my 2cents. It's probably not NastyDollars. We just need fresh new sites to promote with new concepts and ideas.

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