kane

Here is the problem with that. If copa passes it will only be for US webmasters. Only about half the sites out there are run by US webmasters. That means US webmasters will have to age check their sites while everyone else doesn't. All it it will achieve is making those free sites that don't have age check that much more popular. Sure, it will cut down on the amount of free porn, but there is still plenty of free porn out there so I would imagine the surfer will have no problem finding it and those in the US will be out of luck.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE

Thats why a beneficial Adult TLD would be really good for the industry, it would have a global effect.

Each registration results in proper representation and lobbying, a organization that regulates and an administrative portion that verifies compliant adult TLD's and a portion of it dedicated to combating piracy on adult related sites.

That would be pretty fucken sweet. Maybe a year or two from now it will happen, but something serious has to happen. I for one seriously believe this industry is shit canning itself. I am an advocate of self enforced regulation and hte only way for that to really happen is to have an enforcing body at the source.

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It would rock until the government gets a religous whack job in the white house and they pass a law requiring all adult TLD domains to be blocked by all ISPs. They require them to be block as the default setting and if you want access to them you have to call the ISP and have access to them turned on. A lot of people would be too embarrassed to call and have it turned on and traffic would disappear over night.

Don't think it could happen? If they can successfully pass a law to require age verification to get into a website, blocking an adult TLD is only one step away.

notoldschool

Only an idiot designer would make a statement like this.

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Zester

do you guys realize some of us are still doing link exchanges / traffic trading with tube sites ? that is shooting our selves in the foot

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Barefootsies

If they have ONE illegal content video,... ONE simple DMCA sent to Google solves that issue. They are then removed from the SERPS.

The end.

Apparently many companies who claim their shit is always being stolen, talk a big game on the boards, talk about busting heads, lawyers, and taking names, lack the balls to follow through. It really is not that hard to enforce your copyright.

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notoldschool

Is it really that easy?

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Barefootsies

Exactly.

No where in the real business world... the gas station, local donut shop, neighborhood industry, music, movies.... are things just "given away for free". Fucking business 101. The cost must be passed to the consumer.

The fact is that a bunch of retards in this business who know nothing about conversions, and let greed and laziness influence their business decisions defined the web of today.

Because of them, you have many who think they do not have to pay for things, and anything on the net should be free or very minimal cost.

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Barefootsies

Yes. It really is.

They, the offending website, can remove your shit, and try and get re-inclusion. But if enough people are hammering the same site, they are not going to get re-included, and will be forever 'sand boxed' in the G.

Prime example of this is Perfect 10, and 'chillingeffects.org'. It's old news now.

This goes to show, once again, the difference on who actually do something about copyright (as we do) and those who just 'talk tough' on the boards.

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Because they are all talk chief.

Saber rattling impresses the sheep on the boards apparently. Or it must give you 'bro' status.

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Hard to tell... some conversions are going way way down, others are flipping the fuck out... I tell myself it's because I'm brilliant and picked the right site to market... and that others are past their nadir...

Sorta the same as it was but polarized.

btw GrouchyAdmin I'm stealing your Canadian flag.

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How about the business world we do business in... The Internet. Are things not given away for free? Have google and the other giants not taught surfers you don't have to pay to enjoy things.

What about facebook? I'm sure classmates.com thinks of facebook the way some people think of tubes.

How much money have you spent on Youtube? MySpace? Facebook? Espn? Cnn?

If you think the cost must be passed on to the customer and that's the only way it can be then you are in for a rough ride no matter what business you are operating in. Things have changed.

The other thing to remember is the barrier to entry to our industry is still low. There are a lot of webmasters in poor countries that don't need to make $1000 a month for it to be worthwhile. That's just the reality of it. So what may seem retarded to you makes perfect sense to them.

bronco67

this has probably been brought up before...

Is there any way for a mass(and legal) group attack of uploading crap(blank videos, watermarked, etc) to tube sites that can help to make life hell for the people that run them?

Couldn't something be organized? I guess I'm saying, what action can we have to take them down, besides legal action(which is futile and expensive)

Jenny S.

Well, it could work if there was an international agreement about it, which is hard to reach. I don't think the industry is shit-canning itself, it's only certain elements. unfortunately the big ones. From what I've seen parts of the the adult industry seem to be totally unwilling to accept any legal or moral limitations. I hate to use the word "morals" but if I see a torture site where militias chop someone's hand's off or rape underage girls with a banner of an Adultfriendfinder-subsidiary on top it makes me puke. This is living proof that self regulation in this industry doesn't work. We are all going to take the brunt for some people online insurgent tactics, eventually.

As for the other part of my post, this was in the Times this morning:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/15/te...ll&oref=slogin

You don't have to wait two yours, I guess.

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Heya Jenny S.
I been reading about the surcharged rate and such from the big 3 providers however I think in the long run that concept will die out.

It will die for 2 reasons.

1: the companies wont make as much money.
2: Subscibers at the ISP level will opt for flat rate providers over surcharge or use providers. ( Especially the bandwidth hawgs )

Now the later is just anti theoretical because some people are happy with the idea of only paying what they use, I can see that as a reality also and admittedly many user's are brief user's of the net, however user studies have proven that as people use the web they begin to use it more and more. Which result's to flat rates for the providers in the long run.

It looks like the generation after mine did not get very good educations.
Sure bandwidth of the webs users is increasing daily but the expansion of available bandwidth is increasing at a higher pace, while new technolgies are comming forward to exponentially increase bandwidth and download times.

Soon we will be measuring gigs per second.

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guys.. Sales are down EVERYWHERE FOR EVERYTHING!

The economy is in a rutt right now.

The whole world is in a rutt right now.

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they're in mainstream and can make money, piles of it off advertising - adult can't, never has and never will attract mainstream advertising dollars - just adult services and products - which are tremendously limited. AFF and the cam sites that have rewarded the tube sites are the ENTIRE reason that porn tube sites exist.

Fuck them and all who support them and all who APPEASE them

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Jenny S.

Not sure where you are located, but where I am at guys drive pick-ups, chew snuff, and wear cowboy hats, and believe me, the network isn't very good. And nobody knows the difference.

The gigs per second might be true in Europe, where most telephone companies have been extending their fiber optics networks in the past 10 years. Everything is below ground top notch shit there, Japan is even better. There aren't any telephone poles in the civilized part of Europe any more. With the cheapest Telekom DSL connection I get a transfer rate of 500 KB/s down in Berlin, in the US I am lucky if I get 180 KB/s on a good day.

Up sucks even more: around 40 kb/s. Ever tried to up a 20 GB page at 40 kb/s? I overnight it to my computer geek in Europe who has T-Online VDSL25000 and gets 5400KB/s down and 1100KB/s upload, no shit.

I don't doubt AT&T's claim that they are running on the edge. Just look at our jerry-rigged telephone system, even in some big cities. Telephone poles from the 20ies.

If I understand the article correctly, it seems as if 5% of users are using 80% of all bandwith, and I truly believe that the big five in the telecommunications market are going to find a way to get rid of those 5%, which they call "powersurfers". One way is to still offer unlimited bandwith for moms & pops, who are not using much anyway, but simply turn the tap off if someone burns excessive bandwith.

It's comparable to oil companies. You've got 200 million customers in this country and only 5 suppliers. If the big five raise gas prices, a single gas station (=ISP) can't do shit.

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tony286

actually youtube is failing
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-9968220-17.html

Pornwolf

Ive noticed this also. Never before have porn sites been shared so frequently in regular conversations.

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