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Dirty F · 06-22-2008, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by escorpio

It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

Think of it this way...

A little old lady gets her purse snatched (chrome). A crowd of onlookers witness the crime and give chase (GFY webmasters). They catch the purse snatcher and begin to kick the living shit out of him. He has no choice but to give back the purse. The little old lady then praises her purse snatcher for being a "stand up guy" and "doing the right thing." It's absurd.

Its exactly like that and thats exactly why this thread is totally filled with the biggest idiots you can find.

chodadog · 06-22-2008, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by escorpio

It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

Think of it this way...

A little old lady gets her purse snatched (chrome). A crowd of onlookers witness the crime and give chase (GFY webmasters). They catch the purse snatcher and begin to kick the living shit out of him. He has no choice but to give back the purse. The little old lady then praises her purse snatcher for being a "stand up guy" and "doing the right thing." It's absurd.

Perfect.

pocketkangaroo · 06-22-2008, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by escorpio

It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

Think of it this way...

A little old lady gets her purse snatched (chrome). A crowd of onlookers witness the crime and give chase (GFY webmasters). They catch the purse snatcher and begin to kick the living shit out of him. He has no choice but to give back the purse. The little old lady then praises her purse snatcher for being a "stand up guy" and "doing the right thing." It's absurd.

That was beautiful.

Bossman · 06-22-2008, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by escorpio

It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

Think of it this way...

A little old lady gets her purse snatched (chrome). A crowd of onlookers witness the crime and give chase (GFY webmasters). They catch the purse snatcher and begin to kick the living shit out of him. He has no choice but to give back the purse. The little old lady then praises her purse snatcher for being a "stand up guy" and "doing the right thing." It's absurd.

I´m currious - how long do you keep kicking him after he has given the purse back?

StuartD · 06-22-2008, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossman

I´m currious - how long do you keep kicking him after he has given the purse back?

You don't. He didn't say you keep kicking.... but you also don't encourage people to work with him and tell everyone what a great top notch guy he is.

d-null · 06-22-2008, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossman

I´m currious - how long do you keep kicking him after he has given the purse back?

reading the thread, it looks like it is now more a case of kicking the ones that are praising the purse snatcher

18teens · 06-22-2008, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by chrome1wave

Hi everyone, I just wanted to post my update with everything that has taken place recently. Excellent news! Video Secrets contacted me and we've completely resolved all issues 100% and my account is being paid in full up to date and my account is being placed back into the active status where I will continue to earn commissions on all of my referrals for life!

I just wanted to thank the community for coming together and supporting a fellow webmaster like everyone here did. I would also like to recognize and thank Video Secrets for working with me to resolve this matter. Video Secrets has always been an excellent company to work with and I would absolutely now recommend anyone and everyone to continue working with them or start working with them if you are not already. As everyone witnessed here....their program performs exceptionally well. I've personally made a lot of money with them and their client retention is second to none (which is a must from an affiliates stand point for lifetime revshare) and I'm excited to continue earning with them for the lifetime of my referrals.

We definitely hit a speed bump in working together, but from day one as everyone here knows....I never wished negativity upon Video Secrets. I simply wanted help in resolving our issues and that's what I got. I personally want to request that all of the negativity towards Video Secrets and its employees stops for good. I hope everyone will restore complete respect and trust for Video Secrets for stepping up to the plate and putting our differences aside and closing this issue in a positive manner.

Again, thank you to everyone here for your continued support and lets please welcome back Video Secrets as the first class, stand up company that you can count on.

I've seen my share of ass kissing and selling out in my time but this shit takes the cake. First class, stand up companies don't try to rip affiliates off like Video Secrets did. Remember Video Secrets had your thread deleted. Video Secrets had you and others standing up for you banned. The only reason you got your money in the first place is because of your fellow webmasters, some of them now banned from this board for doing so.

But you have the nerve to call then first class and stand up? How truly pathetic that you have no pride in yourself.

Dirty F · 06-22-2008, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 18teens

I've seen my share of ass kissing and selling out in my time but this shit takes the cake. First class, stand up companies don't try to rip affiliates off like Video Secrets did. Remember Video Secrets had your thread deleted. Video Secrets had you and others standing up for you banned. The only reason you got your money in the first place is because of your fellow webmasters, some of them now banned from this board for doing so.

But you have the nerve to call then first class and stand up? How truly pathetic that you have no pride in yourself.

Good to know that there at least a few people who see this. But like i said the guy is gone. I highly doubt he will post again. How people can live with themselves doing stuff like that is beyond me.

Dirty F · 06-22-2008, 01:37 PM

The fact that those VS guys told that guy you get your 10k but you have to call us a stand up company is also yet another example of what scum they are.

american pervert · 06-22-2008, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

..... yet another example of what scum they are.

one of many... one of many...

payd2purv · 06-22-2008, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

Good to know that there at least a few people who see this. But like i said the guy is gone. I highly doubt he will post again. How people can live with themselves doing stuff like that is beyond me.

He said he as retired and left the industry only reason he posted here was to get his money.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 06-22-2008, 02:53 PM

I think you people are speculating a little to much here.
VS has been around for a long time, this whole thing was out of character for them.

Maybe something else happened that we do not know about and that explains the turn around on the whole issue from beginning to end. Leave it to GFY to ponder only the worst thoughts in people all in the name of a "See sig..."

These days I am inclined to think the best in people and look up to those that fix things in the face of uncertain desparagement.

Video Secrets is a stand up company I have no doubts about them now.
So you people keep on mocking them for the mistake. There nothing like a good beat down when someone looks weak right?
You Poor retarded Fucking animals...

Dirty F · 06-22-2008, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

I think you people are speculating a little to much here.
VS has been around for a long time, this whole thing was out of character for them.

Maybe something else happened that we do not know about and that explains the turn around on the whole issue from beginning to end. Leave it to GFY to ponder only the worst thoughts in people all in the name of a "See sig..."

These days I am inclined to think the best in people and look up to those that fix things in the face of uncertain desparagement.

Video Secrets is a stand up company I have no doubts about them now.
So you people keep on mocking them for the mistake. There nothing like a good beat down when someone looks weak right?
You Poor retarded Fucking animals...

Then again you would call anyone a standup company for some money as you gladly admitted

Robbie · 06-22-2008, 03:10 PM

You know, I've been meaning to sign up to promote Video Secrets for years now. Always too damn busy. So I just did and put 'em all over my category pages. I've seen those guys around many a time back in the day and have no idea why I didn't sign up all these years. Oh well, that's rectified now. Goddamn I love to work! Sorry to interrupt y'all fighting and shit.

LeRoy · 06-22-2008, 03:46 PM

Does anyone have Chromes affiliate link to VS? I'll sign up under him and start to link em .

Big John · 06-22-2008, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 18teens

I've seen my share of ass kissing and selling out in my time but this shit takes the cake. First class, stand up companies don't try to rip affiliates off like Video Secrets did. Remember Video Secrets had your thread deleted. Video Secrets had you and others standing up for you banned. The only reason you got your money in the first place is because of your fellow webmasters, some of them now banned from this board for doing so.

But you have the nerve to call then first class and stand up? How truly pathetic that you have no pride in yourself.

That about sums it up. A shame as I had a bit of respect for the guy until that point. It seems though that he probably didn't deserve the payment really as obviously his own ethics are no better. Oh well.

lex · 06-22-2008, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by escorpio

A little old lady gets her purse snatched (chrome). A crowd of onlookers witness the crime and give chase (GFY webmasters). They catch the purse snatcher and begin to kick the living shit out of him. He has no choice but to give back the purse. The little old lady then praises her purse snatcher for being a "stand up guy" and "doing the right thing." It's absurd.

Exactly and this forgiving attitude encourages other 'would be' purse snatchers to have a go too since "Fuck it, if I get caught I'll be forgiven. No harm no foul. Besides, what are the chances I'll be caught every time anyway?!"

Far-L · 06-23-2008, 12:04 AM

First off, most of these so called "examples" are way off the mark.

The situation is not at all like what people are trying to compare it to.

This is what happened, not some misleading characterization of it by board warriors, VS changed their policy YEARS AGO and they tried to inform the affiliate that the policy had been changed. The affiliate didn't want to go by the new terms and felt that the new terms should not be retroactive to when he signed up. Simple. Reasonable. Most affiliates under VS were under the new terms and ZERO of them ever stepped up to say that VS cut off their accounts or withheld funds. In fact, no one besides Chrome ever stepped in to say they ever had a problem with VS paying, who in fact have made thousands of webmasters literally MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of cash since they began over 10 years ago. I defy anyone to audit their VS accounts and find a single underpayment. The only other complaint was from one of their thousands of former and current models about a technical issue that was resolved to everyone's satisfaction... long ago.

I happen to know for a fact that the mob justice mentality only made matters worse in this case because instead of actually creating a mutual resolution of the problem it made VS defensive. Chrome admitted he did not contact VS when asked repeatedly to do so, even on the checks he was receiving. No disrespect to him but perhaps he could have discussed his issue in a way that achieved the same results without bringing it to the boards. The people that discussed this privately and professionally with VS are the ones that really created positive resolutions here. Not the flamers and the pissants who think they "won one" for the poor defenseless affiliate.

Sure, VS could have done a better job communicating their position and being defensive did not help their public relations but they are not theives. How do I assume this? One of the requirements of people that joined the case against Acacia was that they had to be willing and able to show their books in discovery and they had to pass by certain professional and ethical standards. Sure, it was in retrospect not a great idea to make the terms retroactive - but it was not STEALING - they just wanted to keep working with the affiliate in a way that was productive - that qualifies it as a marketing decision and not a theft or a cheat. The point was made by reasonable people and peers that they should not be retroactive to terms previously made and VS saw the ethical and reasonable side of it and acted accordingly. Not everyone makes great decisions all the time. But if you look at the history of VS they have made 99% good decisions and one bad one in over 10 years, how many other companies can say the same that have been around as long? More importantly, how many of those companies actually corrected their problem in a way that was mutually beneficial and acceptable to all concerned?

At this point, the only ones to gain anything by continuing to flame away are the disingenuous, disgruntled, and delusional... the carpetbaggers trying to gain a marketing advantage, anons, haters, and holier than thous that just want attention, and the kind of so-called affiliates that are more of a financial drain than an income generator for not just a program like VS but any program. Chrome calls for peace and future prosperity like a professional and everyone turns on him and says he is a traiter to the cause. I think he is behaving like a businessman, not an ethics professor.

Go ahead and spew on me -

Tell me you would never join our program - I will thank you for saving me from future headaches.

TyroneGoldberg · 06-23-2008, 07:47 AM

damage is done. 'stand up guys' what a fucking joke. I don't forgive when actions are intentional. I remember that thread well and what was said.

'get paid for doing nothing'

chrome1wave · 06-23-2008, 09:09 AM

Guys.....relax....remember I came onto GFY to post my story for one main purpose……to get paid and my account reinstated. And unless that happened, I wanted others to be aware about that as well. I never wanted to come in here and start a "hate" thread against VS and that's what my original thread turned into. I don't believe VS had my GFY account killed, nor will it be killed again unless I violate any GFY rules. Maybe not everyone here knows the facts and what exactly went down, but the day my account got killed several people on here warned me that the thread would get locked, then when it did, I tried restarting it 3 times within about an hour (frustrated) and people began warning me to stop that for the account would be at risk of getting killed and it did. I guess blame that on me for not following GFY's rules. In any case, GFY reinstated my account again and everything is cool there.

I'm not "selling out" to VS, I'm just doing what feels right to me and reversing any remaining negativity against VS. When I honestly ask myself...do I think this situation will happen again to another webmaster.....my answer is NO! When I honestly ask myself....do I think they will not continue to pay webmasters for life.....YES! I genuinely believe they are a good company....my situation was isolated and very rare and VS will probably be extra sensitive if a similar situation ever arises. So with all that said....I think they are an excellent company to do business with now. Again, that's not selling out....that's just what I believe. This was a long, drawn out story, but it ends with me being paid 100% and my account active for life. How can I sit here and complain about that? I've told everyone many times....I truly am a mellow guy and did not come in here to be an active negative hot head poster. My post was to help rectify my situation with VS which is done and to make sure everything was safe for other webmasters which it absolutely is. Mission accomplished, put it to rest guys. To everyone not freaking out with negativity, thank you again for your continued support!

Atticus · 06-23-2008, 09:18 AM

To bad Will76 got banned awhile back. These threads are right in his wheel house.

cykoe6 · 06-23-2008, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by AdvertisingSex

this was not an out of the blue error that rarely happens and can easily be forgiven. This was an attempted theft, foiled by the public outcry for simple, logical justice.

stealing from or lying to affiliates is the single worst thing a program can do.
pulling your traffic is the single worst thing you can do to them in return.

stop defending them for trying to steal an affiliates money. that's what they tried to do and were caught with their hand in Chrome's cookie jar

again, this wasn't a random technical error. it was thought out deliberate theft. they were caught and FORCED to return the money.

I agree completely. Their reversal on this issue does not change the fact that they tried to steal from an affiliate and only relented when they were faced with a huge backlash. I do not want to have to rely on threads on GFY to get paid. I will not promote a company that has such a low regard for affiliates.

Dirty F · 06-24-2008, 11:28 AM

Well, one last bump before this thread goes to the archives and vs can act like nothing happened. In 2 months from now they will be throwing parties at conventions and everyone will be drinking free beers with those thieves.

This thread will go in history as one of the most sad and pathetic threads ever on gfy as far as im concerned. Its a perfect example of how this industry works and its a good way to see who's who. It shows a lot about a lot of people.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 06-24-2008, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

Well, one last bump before this thread goes to the archives and vs can act like nothing happened. In 2 months from now they will be throwing parties at conventions and everyone will be drinking free beers with those thieves.

This thread will go in history as one of the most sad and pathetic threads ever on gfy as far as im concerned. Its a perfect example of how this industry works and its a good way to see who's who. It shows a lot about a lot of people.

Post proof VS are thieves maybe you can avoid getting banned.
Chrome got every dime.

Dirty F · 06-24-2008, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

Post proof VS are thieves maybe you can avoid getting banned.
Chrome got every dime.

Haha youre so pissed off that you admitted you would call everyone a stand up person for some money

No seriously

Pathetic cockroach

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 06-24-2008, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

Haha youre so pissed off that you admitted you would call everyone a stand up person for some money

No seriously

Pathetic cockroach

I do not call people thieves unless they are thieves, unless you got proof otherwise.
VS are not thieves to the best of my knowledge you fucking mental case.

Dirty F · 06-24-2008, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

Chrome got every dime.

Youre seriously fucking dumb. Like really fucking dumb. Unbelievable

Dirty F · 06-24-2008, 11:42 AM

Hey Alienq, im gonna steal your car and i might give it back if you call me a stand up toch notch guy who doesnt steal

You dumb retarded inbreed fuck.

Dirty F · 06-24-2008, 11:44 AM

AlienQ, what caused your brain damage? The 10 times your mother dropped you on your ugly head? The inbreeding? I really wonder because you are seriously so fucking dumb it has to have a reason.

moeloubani · 06-24-2008, 11:53 AM

I'm going to have to go with Dirty F on this one, Alien you're sounding pretty dumb.

You mean to tell me that if someone robs a store, gets caught, and has to return the item or face consequences and they return the item, that they now actually didn't steal in the first place. I'm not too sure about that.

Dollarmansteve · 06-24-2008, 12:13 PM

This board is pure jokes.

Guy makes thread to bitch about get screwed with the obivous intention of getting what's owed to him. Company bows to pressure, over-turns a previous decision, guy gets his money and gets account re-instated.

So, the situation is completely resolved and the result is a "victory" for the GFY mob.

But, the true nature of the GFY mob is revealed - the victory is not good enough, the fact that guy gets his money and company reverses decision isn't satisfactory, now the mob is out for blood. The mob is greedy and arrogant - like a crusading army with bloodlust out to rape and pillage after the battle - a narcissistic self-serving ego circle jerk.

Moral of the story is, whether you bow to the pressure of the mob or not, the drama-whores, the industry crusaders, will never be satisfied, they'll leave behind scorched earth and move onto the next target.

BusterBunny · 06-24-2008, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Atticus

To bad Will76 got banned awhile back. These threads are right in his wheel house.

that reminds me his banning was sposed to just be a "little time out"....seems like it's been long enough

Dirty F · 06-24-2008, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

I'm going to have to go with Dirty F on this one, Alien you're sounding pretty dumb.

You mean to tell me that if someone robs a store, gets caught, and has to return the item or face consequences and they return the item, that they now actually didn't steal in the first place. I'm not too sure about that.

That comment from him about them not being thieves is the most idiotic thing ive heard in this thread. And that means something.

Dirty F · 06-24-2008, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve

This board is pure jokes.

Guy makes thread to bitch about get screwed with the obivous intention of getting what's owed to him. Company bows to pressure, over-turns a previous decision, guy gets his money and gets account re-instated.

So, the situation is completely resolved and the result is a "victory" for the GFY mob.

But, the true nature of the GFY mob is revealed - the victory is not good enough, the fact that guy gets his money and company reverses decision isn't satisfactory, now the mob is out for blood. The mob is greedy and arrogant - like a crusading army with bloodlust out to rape and pillage after the battle - a narcissistic self-serving ego circle jerk.

Moral of the story is, whether you bow to the pressure of the mob or not, the drama-whores, the industry crusaders, will never be satisfied, they'll leave behind scorched earth and move onto the next target.

Sorry but i dont like to see VS getting away with this and on top being calling a stand up company. And all i can do about it is post here and thats what i will do.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 06-24-2008, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve

This board is pure jokes.

Guy makes thread to bitch about get screwed with the obivous intention of getting what's owed to him. Company bows to pressure, over-turns a previous decision, guy gets his money and gets account re-instated.

So, the situation is completely resolved and the result is a "victory" for the GFY mob.

But, the true nature of the GFY mob is revealed - the victory is not good enough, the fact that guy gets his money and company reverses decision isn't satisfactory, now the mob is out for blood. The mob is greedy and arrogant - like a crusading army with bloodlust out to rape and pillage after the battle - a narcissistic self-serving ego circle jerk.

Moral of the story is, whether you bow to the pressure of the mob or not, the drama-whores, the industry crusaders, will never be satisfied, they'll leave behind scorched earth and move onto the next target.

I used to wear the crusader flag quite a bit myself and held the scorched earth beliefs dear, but it never really settled anything, it hurt my business, it hurt everyone around me. I have found that working with people and attempting to get the better good for all far more advantageous. Not only for everyone here and around me but for my own well being in this business and for that matter my state of mind.

Some never learn, ehhhem DirtyF for example and many many others. I never realised what the real cancer is in this business for a long time. Seem's many of these so called Crusaders have thier own demons and closet's full of secrets of thier own most of the time.

Joe E. invented the term Cockholsters a long time ago and to a degree the Cockholster's are alive and well these days in larger numbers seeking desperatly an advantage over others in battles they have nothing to do with.

Anyways let em rage fuck this I got work to do.

Dollarmansteve · 06-24-2008, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

Sorry but i dont like to see VS getting away with this and on top being calling a stand up company. And all i can do about it is post here and thats what i will do.

I liked you better when you stuck to bashing Phoenix's lame 9/11 conspiracy theory threads

Dirty F · 06-24-2008, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

Some never learn, ehhhem DirtyF for example and many many others. I never realised what the real cancer is in this business for a long time. Seem's many of these so called Crusaders have thier own demons and closet's full of secrets of thier own most of the time.

Oh no, please dont talk bad about me. Whats your Epass, i'll send you some money so you can call me a stand up guy

Because things like that arent the cancer of in this business right

Dirty F · 06-24-2008, 12:37 PM

Its so funny seeing that rat AlienQ talking about cancer in this business while 2 pages ago he and others admitted they would call anyone a stand up company in exchange for money

Oh the irony.

Dirty F · 06-24-2008, 12:44 PM

Remember if you see Alienidiot at a convention dont hesitate to steal his wallet and phone and whatever else. The worst thing that can happen if you get caught is that he will call you a stand up guy and tell people you're not a thief. In case he does make some problems give him some extra money and he will start a post on gfy telling everyone what a top notch person you are.

Dirty F · 06-24-2008, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve

I liked you better when you stuck to bashing Phoenix's lame 9/11 conspiracy theory threads

I kinda miss those threads

Dirty F · 06-25-2008, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

Hey Alienq, im gonna steal your car and i might give it back if you call me a stand up toch notch guy who doesnt steal

You dumb retarded inbreed fuck.

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

Remember if you see Alienidiot at a convention dont hesitate to steal his wallet and phone and whatever else. The worst thing that can happen if you get caught is that he will call you a stand up guy and tell people you're not a thief. In case he does make some problems give him some extra money and he will start a post on gfy telling everyone what a top notch person you are.

Please Alienidiot, please respond to this. I want to see you saying that this would be bad and non acceptable but according to your theory you have no other choice to say that im right

Dirty F · 06-25-2008, 01:14 PM

Oh Alien, where are you? Are you telling me your big mouth is shut for once? Nothing to say anymore

Deej · 06-25-2008, 01:19 PM

alien, you were the one making shirts and talking about outing these guys on a larger scale than gfy

what in the fuck do you eat daily to make you so fuckin bi polar and flip floppy?

what did they say to you? did they threaten your dog?

Dirty F · 06-25-2008, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej

alien, you were the one making shirts and talking about outing these guys on a larger scale than gfy

what in the fuck do you eat daily to make you so fuckin bi polar and flip floppy?

what did they say to you? did they threaten your dog?

They send 200 bucks to his Epass.

AGP Albert · 06-25-2008, 02:33 PM

VS Jeff is a stud

StuartD · 06-25-2008, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej

what in the fuck do you eat daily to make you so fuckin bi polar and flip floppy?

madfuck · 06-25-2008, 02:38 PM

bump the bullshit!!!

Dirty F · 06-25-2008, 04:24 PM

Lets get this to 300.

escorpio · 06-25-2008, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Far-L

First off, most of these so called "examples" are way off the mark.

The situation is not at all like what people are trying to compare it to.

This is what happened, not some misleading characterization of it by board warriors, VS changed their policy YEARS AGO and they tried to inform the affiliate that the policy had been changed. The affiliate didn't want to go by the new terms and felt that the new terms should not be retroactive to when he signed up. Simple. Reasonable. Most affiliates under VS were under the new terms and ZERO of them ever stepped up to say that VS cut off their accounts or withheld funds. In fact, no one besides Chrome ever stepped in to say they ever had a problem with VS paying, who in fact have made thousands of webmasters literally MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of cash since they began over 10 years ago. I defy anyone to audit their VS accounts and find a single underpayment. The only other complaint was from one of their thousands of former and current models about a technical issue that was resolved to everyone's satisfaction... long ago.

I happen to know for a fact that the mob justice mentality only made matters worse in this case because instead of actually creating a mutual resolution of the problem it made VS defensive. Chrome admitted he did not contact VS when asked repeatedly to do so, even on the checks he was receiving. No disrespect to him but perhaps he could have discussed his issue in a way that achieved the same results without bringing it to the boards. The people that discussed this privately and professionally with VS are the ones that really created positive resolutions here. Not the flamers and the pissants who think they "won one" for the poor defenseless affiliate.

Sure, VS could have done a better job communicating their position and being defensive did not help their public relations but they are not theives. How do I assume this? One of the requirements of people that joined the case against Acacia was that they had to be willing and able to show their books in discovery and they had to pass by certain professional and ethical standards. Sure, it was in retrospect not a great idea to make the terms retroactive - but it was not STEALING - they just wanted to keep working with the affiliate in a way that was productive - that qualifies it as a marketing decision and not a theft or a cheat. The point was made by reasonable people and peers that they should not be retroactive to terms previously made and VS saw the ethical and reasonable side of it and acted accordingly. Not everyone makes great decisions all the time. But if you look at the history of VS they have made 99% good decisions and one bad one in over 10 years, how many other companies can say the same that have been around as long? More importantly, how many of those companies actually corrected their problem in a way that was mutually beneficial and acceptable to all concerned?

At this point, the only ones to gain anything by continuing to flame away are the disingenuous, disgruntled, and delusional... the carpetbaggers trying to gain a marketing advantage, anons, haters, and holier than thous that just want attention, and the kind of so-called affiliates that are more of a financial drain than an income generator for not just a program like VS but any program. Chrome calls for peace and future prosperity like a professional and everyone turns on him and says he is a traiter to the cause. I think he is behaving like a businessman, not an ethics professor.

Go ahead and spew on me -

Tell me you would never join our program - I will thank you for saving me from future headaches.

A thief with a freind that makes long-winded excuses for him is still a thief.

V_RocKs · 06-25-2008, 09:28 PM

I flirted for free... nothing became of it.

06-22-2008, 02:53 PM	#262
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	I think you people are speculating a little to much here. VS has been around for a long time, this whole thing was out of character for them. Maybe something else happened that we do not know about and that explains the turn around on the whole issue from beginning to end. Leave it to GFY to ponder only the worst thoughts in people all in the name of a "See sig..." These days I am inclined to think the best in people and look up to those that fix things in the face of uncertain desparagement. Video Secrets is a stand up company I have no doubts about them now. So you people keep on mocking them for the mistake. There nothing like a good beat down when someone looks weak right? You Poor retarded Fucking animals... __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \| Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 06-22-2008 at 02:55 PM..

06-22-2008, 03:10 PM	#264
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,958	You know, I've been meaning to sign up to promote Video Secrets for years now. Always too damn busy. So I just did and put 'em all over my category pages. I've seen those guys around many a time back in the day and have no idea why I didn't sign up all these years. Oh well, that's rectified now. Goddamn I love to work! Sorry to interrupt y'all fighting and shit. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

06-22-2008, 03:46 PM	#265
LeRoy Porn Pusher Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: It's a dry heat Posts: 13,334	Does anyone have Chromes affiliate link to VS? I'll sign up under him and start to link em . __________________ JAPANESE CAMS AND CONTENT SITES Skype - leroy.rowland2

06-23-2008, 12:04 AM	#268
Far-L Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 6,075	First off, most of these so called "examples" are way off the mark. The situation is not at all like what people are trying to compare it to. This is what happened, not some misleading characterization of it by board warriors, VS changed their policy YEARS AGO and they tried to inform the affiliate that the policy had been changed. The affiliate didn't want to go by the new terms and felt that the new terms should not be retroactive to when he signed up. Simple. Reasonable. Most affiliates under VS were under the new terms and ZERO of them ever stepped up to say that VS cut off their accounts or withheld funds. In fact, no one besides Chrome ever stepped in to say they ever had a problem with VS paying, who in fact have made thousands of webmasters literally MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of cash since they began over 10 years ago. I defy anyone to audit their VS accounts and find a single underpayment. The only other complaint was from one of their thousands of former and current models about a technical issue that was resolved to everyone's satisfaction... long ago. I happen to know for a fact that the mob justice mentality only made matters worse in this case because instead of actually creating a mutual resolution of the problem it made VS defensive. Chrome admitted he did not contact VS when asked repeatedly to do so, even on the checks he was receiving. No disrespect to him but perhaps he could have discussed his issue in a way that achieved the same results without bringing it to the boards. The people that discussed this privately and professionally with VS are the ones that really created positive resolutions here. Not the flamers and the pissants who think they "won one" for the poor defenseless affiliate. Sure, VS could have done a better job communicating their position and being defensive did not help their public relations but they are not theives. How do I assume this? One of the requirements of people that joined the case against Acacia was that they had to be willing and able to show their books in discovery and they had to pass by certain professional and ethical standards. Sure, it was in retrospect not a great idea to make the terms retroactive - but it was not STEALING - they just wanted to keep working with the affiliate in a way that was productive - that qualifies it as a marketing decision and not a theft or a cheat. The point was made by reasonable people and peers that they should not be retroactive to terms previously made and VS saw the ethical and reasonable side of it and acted accordingly. Not everyone makes great decisions all the time. But if you look at the history of VS they have made 99% good decisions and one bad one in over 10 years, how many other companies can say the same that have been around as long? More importantly, how many of those companies actually corrected their problem in a way that was mutually beneficial and acceptable to all concerned? At this point, the only ones to gain anything by continuing to flame away are the disingenuous, disgruntled, and delusional... the carpetbaggers trying to gain a marketing advantage, anons, haters, and holier than thous that just want attention, and the kind of so-called affiliates that are more of a financial drain than an income generator for not just a program like VS but any program. Chrome calls for peace and future prosperity like a professional and everyone turns on him and says he is a traiter to the cause. I think he is behaving like a businessman, not an ethics professor. Go ahead and spew on me - Tell me you would never join our program - I will thank you for saving me from future headaches. __________________ HomegrownCash.com, the affiliate program of Homegrown Video - The Largest Collection of Amateur XXX - Est. 1982. Contact - Email: farrell AT homegrownvideo D com Skype: hgfarl Newsweek Magazine - "Homegrown Video, the longest running series in the history of porn."

06-24-2008, 11:28 AM	#273
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	Well, one last bump before this thread goes to the archives and vs can act like nothing happened. In 2 months from now they will be throwing parties at conventions and everyone will be drinking free beers with those thieves. This thread will go in history as one of the most sad and pathetic threads ever on gfy as far as im concerned. Its a perfect example of how this industry works and its a good way to see who's who. It shows a lot about a lot of people. Last edited by Dirty F; 06-24-2008 at 11:30 AM..

06-22-2008, 01:37 PM	#259
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	The fact that those VS guys told that guy you get your 10k but you have to call us a stand up company is also yet another example of what scum they are.

06-23-2008, 07:47 AM	#269
TyroneGoldberg Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,081	damage is done. 'stand up guys' what a fucking joke. I don't forgive when actions are intentional. I remember that thread well and what was said. 'get paid for doing nothing'

06-23-2008, 09:09 AM	#270
chrome1wave Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 61	Guys.....relax....remember I came onto GFY to post my story for one main purpose……to get paid and my account reinstated. And unless that happened, I wanted others to be aware about that as well. I never wanted to come in here and start a "hate" thread against VS and that's what my original thread turned into. I don't believe VS had my GFY account killed, nor will it be killed again unless I violate any GFY rules. Maybe not everyone here knows the facts and what exactly went down, but the day my account got killed several people on here warned me that the thread would get locked, then when it did, I tried restarting it 3 times within about an hour (frustrated) and people began warning me to stop that for the account would be at risk of getting killed and it did. I guess blame that on me for not following GFY's rules. In any case, GFY reinstated my account again and everything is cool there. I'm not "selling out" to VS, I'm just doing what feels right to me and reversing any remaining negativity against VS. When I honestly ask myself...do I think this situation will happen again to another webmaster.....my answer is NO! When I honestly ask myself....do I think they will not continue to pay webmasters for life.....YES! I genuinely believe they are a good company....my situation was isolated and very rare and VS will probably be extra sensitive if a similar situation ever arises. So with all that said....I think they are an excellent company to do business with now. Again, that's not selling out....that's just what I believe. This was a long, drawn out story, but it ends with me being paid 100% and my account active for life. How can I sit here and complain about that? I've told everyone many times....I truly am a mellow guy and did not come in here to be an active negative hot head poster. My post was to help rectify my situation with VS which is done and to make sure everything was safe for other webmasters which it absolutely is. Mission accomplished, put it to rest guys. To everyone not freaking out with negativity, thank you again for your continued support!

06-23-2008, 09:18 AM	#271
Atticus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,051	To bad Will76 got banned awhile back. These threads are right in his wheel house.

06-24-2008, 11:42 AM	#278
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	Hey Alienq, im gonna steal your car and i might give it back if you call me a stand up toch notch guy who doesnt steal You dumb retarded inbreed fuck.

06-24-2008, 11:44 AM	#279
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	AlienQ, what caused your brain damage? The 10 times your mother dropped you on your ugly head? The inbreeding? I really wonder because you are seriously so fucking dumb it has to have a reason.

06-24-2008, 11:53 AM	#280
moeloubani Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ontario Posts: 4,235	I'm going to have to go with Dirty F on this one, Alien you're sounding pretty dumb. You mean to tell me that if someone robs a store, gets caught, and has to return the item or face consequences and they return the item, that they now actually didn't steal in the first place. I'm not too sure about that.

06-24-2008, 12:13 PM	#281
Dollarmansteve Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Location: T.O. Posts: 2,849	This board is pure jokes. Guy makes thread to bitch about get screwed with the obivous intention of getting what's owed to him. Company bows to pressure, over-turns a previous decision, guy gets his money and gets account re-instated. So, the situation is completely resolved and the result is a "victory" for the GFY mob. But, the true nature of the GFY mob is revealed - the victory is not good enough, the fact that guy gets his money and company reverses decision isn't satisfactory, now the mob is out for blood. The mob is greedy and arrogant - like a crusading army with bloodlust out to rape and pillage after the battle - a narcissistic self-serving ego circle jerk. Moral of the story is, whether you bow to the pressure of the mob or not, the drama-whores, the industry crusaders, will never be satisfied, they'll leave behind scorched earth and move onto the next target. __________________ I died.

06-24-2008, 12:37 PM	#288
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	Its so funny seeing that rat AlienQ talking about cancer in this business while 2 pages ago he and others admitted they would call anyone a stand up company in exchange for money Oh the irony.

06-24-2008, 12:44 PM	#289
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	Remember if you see Alienidiot at a convention dont hesitate to steal his wallet and phone and whatever else. The worst thing that can happen if you get caught is that he will call you a stand up guy and tell people you're not a thief. In case he does make some problems give him some extra money and he will start a post on gfy telling everyone what a top notch person you are.

06-25-2008, 01:14 PM	#292
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	Oh Alien, where are you? Are you telling me your big mouth is shut for once? Nothing to say anymore

06-25-2008, 01:19 PM	#293
Deej I make pixels work Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: I live here... Posts: 24,386	alien, you were the one making shirts and talking about outing these guys on a larger scale than gfy what in the fuck do you eat daily to make you so fuckin bi polar and flip floppy? what did they say to you? did they threaten your dog? __________________ Deej's Designs n' What Not Hit me up for Design, CSS & Photo Retouching Icq#30096880

06-25-2008, 02:33 PM	#295
AGP Albert Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 720	VS Jeff is a stud __________________ AGP ALBERT ALTOGLOBALPROCESSING.COM Email: [email protected] Office: 305.532.8701 Fax: 305.532.8702 ICQ: 585003252 Skype:Albert.AGP BB PIN: 31CBA558 www.AltoGlobalProcessing.com [email protected] See Who I Am At AdultWhosWho.com! See My Ambush Interview!

06-25-2008, 02:38 PM	#297
madfuck Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,032	bump the bullshit!!!

06-25-2008, 04:24 PM	#298
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	Lets get this to 300.

06-25-2008, 09:28 PM	#300
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,391	I flirted for free... nothing became of it.