GGWCash - where is my fucking money? Post if they owe you money. - GoFuckYourself.com

Dennis Rodman · 06-27-2008, 02:59 AM

Ok, this is getting beyond ridiculous.

I have been dealing with this for well over a month now. GGWCash owes me, and others, our fucking money. They are always claiming accounting issues and what not, and that they are "working on it".

Well, GGW is a large enough company that this bullshit should have been straightened out by now.... or at least an email with an explanation as to why you are not paying your affiliates.

The fucknut Lorenzo you have funning your affiliate sales sucks. He just ignores ICQs and never even responds... not even in an offline message.

We know your program owner is in jail, but there should be plenty of money to pay your affiliates. Get your act together fast or links will start getting yanked and sent over to Shanesworld.

SexualDragon · 06-27-2008, 03:05 AM

I would have yanked the links already

I hope this issue gets resolved

john_63 · 06-27-2008, 03:08 AM

topsigs

8char

fris · 06-27-2008, 03:24 AM

You need to make more than 1 singup to get a check

Jens Van Assterdam · 06-27-2008, 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fris

You need to make more than 1 singup to get a check

Received: Jun 24, 2008 12:18 PM PDT
Subject: Received $10.143.00 from MantraFilms

Fris is probably right..

Jens Van Assterdam · 06-27-2008, 03:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dennis Rodman

The fucknut Lorenzo you have funning your affiliate sales sucks. He just ignores ICQs and never even responds... not even in an offline message.

I highly doubt its lorenzo´s fault that you didnt get paid! My payments also werent on time but they came in and thats what counts. Dont spit your hate on Lorenzo, its not him who owes YOU money. Its the company!

Dennis Rodman · 06-27-2008, 04:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jens Van Assterdam

I highly doubt its lorenzo´s fault that you didnt get paid! My payments also werent on time but they came in and thats what counts. Dont spit your hate on Lorenzo, its not him who owes YOU money. Its the company!

Well, he does not answer any messages when he is online. I understand that the company is not owned by Lorenzo, but he IS the affiliate manager meaning that he is in charge of getting affiliate issues resolved. He is not doing this, he is not keeping in contact with his AFFILIATES regarding the situation.

Even if he does not have an answer, at least tell us that.

And as for Fris you fat fuck, go eat another Twinky fatbody.

halfpint · 06-27-2008, 04:12 AM

Sorry to say but GGW cash is not the only sponsor that keeps on messing about with payments I am geting fucked off with having to keep asking for money

fris · 06-27-2008, 05:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dennis Rodman

Well, he does not answer any messages when he is online. I understand that the company is not owned by Lorenzo, but he IS the affiliate manager meaning that he is in charge of getting affiliate issues resolved. He is not doing this, he is not keeping in contact with his AFFILIATES regarding the situation.

Even if he does not have an answer, at least tell us that.

And as for Fris you fat fuck, go eat another Twinky fatbody.

come make insults when you actually make sales, if you are trying to hurt my internet feelings you are doing a horrible job at it.

DigitalPimp · 06-27-2008, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jens Van Assterdam

Received: Jun 24, 2008 12:18 PM PDT
Subject: Received $10.143.00 from MantraFilms

That looks like an epassporte. It is those paid by check that have not been paid. I am missing checks for the last two periods.

tranza · 06-27-2008, 12:00 PM

That's no good... Here's a bump for answers...

seeric · 06-27-2008, 12:01 PM

I vote you send me traffic.

Look a new shane's world with PPS/Epassporte/ and Real big boy affiliate tools.

www.shanesworldonline.com

Doesn't officially launch until 07-07-2008 but hey, what do i know

ps: don't sign up to shanesworldcash.com. thats not the program anymore. we're evolved, databases are already migrated and such. new one is at http://cash.shanesworldonline.com FYI.

if you signed up now it wont be in the right DB.

hi hi.

stev0 · 06-27-2008, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fris

You need to make more than 1 singup to get a check

They actually are 2 or 3 pay periods behind. I talked to Constan yesterday and he said my May period 1 and 2 cheques would be sent today. They've had similar problems in the past, but cheques always come eventually. Hopefully they get the issues figured out.

ps. Email Constan if you need help, Lorenzo is no longer with the company.

Pryda · 06-28-2008, 04:56 AM

Switch to ePassporte and you'll have no more problems, just like me.

DigitalPimp · 06-30-2008, 12:46 PM

Has anyone got a check for any of the past 3 periods? Lorenzo told me last Wednesday checks were going out that day but thier payments page still shows each of the last 3 periods as "unpaid" ...

http://www.girlsgonewildcash.com/payments.php

payd2purv · 06-30-2008, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K

http://cash.shanesworldonline.com

Quote:

The page isn't redirecting properly

Firefox has detected that the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete.

* This problem can sometimes be caused by disabling or refusing to accept
cookies.

Uh oh ....

libertygone · 06-30-2008, 10:08 PM

This is such bullshit I'm waiting for my May payments and they STILL OWE ME....

wtf.. i swear this is their desperate attempt to steal our money
PLEASE JUST PAY US..

Jens Van Assterdam · 06-30-2008, 11:53 PM

Dear GirlsGoneWildCash Affiliate,

We would like to inform you that based on a statistical analysis of your account performance over the past several months we find it necessary to transfer your account to our Revshare program versus the previous selected program type of Pay-Per-Signup. Some of the factors that directly impacted this decision include: trial to full membership conversion ratios, member retention, customer refund requests, and chargebacks.

Please keep in mind you will still benefit from our competitive Revshare payout rate of 60% for the life of all members referred under your account. The transfer from Pay-Per-Signup to our Revshare program will be effective as of July 1, 2008. We appreciate your business, and please feel free to contact us should you have any further questions.

-GirlsGoneWildCash Support

Got that email this morning from Syl (Sylvia Dente).. i thought she left GGW?

Tjeezers · 07-01-2008, 04:36 AM

I got the same one

Dear GirlsGoneWildCash Affiliate,

We would like to inform you that based on a statistical analysis of your account performance over the past several months we find it necessary to transfer your account to our Revshare program versus ......................

Jens Van Assterdam · 07-01-2008, 05:02 AM

Not a big suprise to be honest. Their members area is one of the worst out there.

libertygone · 07-01-2008, 08:14 AM

i got that same email....

wow..

Tjeezers · 07-01-2008, 09:36 AM

I bet everyone got this email.
It is the begin of the end

libertygone · 07-01-2008, 12:55 PM

BUMP........

Nikki_Licks · 07-01-2008, 01:19 PM

If it were me, I would pull the links down. They owe you money and they seem to always have some bullshit excuse for not paying on time. And that is all it is...an excise.

Dennis Rodman · 07-01-2008, 04:53 PM

You have to be kidding me. Bump for fucking answers.

Where the fuck is my money still?

bdld · 07-01-2008, 05:05 PM

i got the same email, being converted to Revshare. i have 3 GGW domains, any alternatives? i have 1 mardi gras domain, another spring break one and a regular party one.

Agent 488 · 07-01-2008, 05:07 PM

that sort of mail is the death rattle of a program - same thing happened to rookie babe ...

Agent 488 · 07-01-2008, 05:10 PM

maybe once they pay off joe's gambling debts you guys will get paid:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,374822,00.html

LAS VEGAS — "Girls Gone Wild" founder Joe Francis is being sued by a Las Vegas Strip casino seeking repayment for $2 million in gambling debts.

Tjeezers · 07-01-2008, 05:24 PM

GGW is history!!

Cradle · 07-01-2008, 05:24 PM

time to switch up links

ProjectNaked · 07-01-2008, 06:18 PM

this was inevitable - people have such short memories.....

Like I said in the first place, GGW doesn't need affiliates and does not give a shit about them. They have also never denied this. Nothing against Joe as he has little to nothing to do with the internet/paysite department.

dav3 · 07-01-2008, 06:27 PM

damn, that sucks ass. hopefully you get the commission that is owed to you

Pornwolf · 07-01-2008, 07:02 PM

I never understood how it made sense for them to dilute the search engines with affilliate pages.

You would figure that they would be able to dominate with their brand name and make a larger profit that way.

Mikaxxx · 07-02-2008, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DigitalPimp

Has anyone got a check for any of the past 3 periods? Lorenzo told me last Wednesday checks were going out that day but thier payments page still shows each of the last 3 periods as "unpaid" ...

Sme here. I got the last payments from them almost two months ago.

V_RocKs · 07-02-2008, 10:40 AM

07/01/2008 unpaid 06/01/2008 - 06/30/2008 USD 175.00
06/01/2008 unpaid 05/01/2008 - 05/31/2008 USD 210.00

Jens Van Assterdam · 07-02-2008, 10:51 AM

Why do they pay some and some not? Always got my epass payments so far. Some were late but they came in.. lets see how syl handles things. Iam bombarding her icq in a sec :-)

Azoy? · 07-02-2008, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProjectNaked

this was inevitable - people have such short memories.....

Like I said in the first place, GGW doesn't need affiliates and does not give a shit about them. They have also never denied this. Nothing against Joe as he has little to nothing to do with the internet/paysite department.

If you ask most companies out there they will tell you that they don't needs affiliates but they do much better with them

libertygone · 07-02-2008, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jens Van Assterdam

Why do they pay some and some not? Always got my epass payments so far. Some were late but they came in.. lets see how syl handles things. Iam bombarding her icq in a sec :-)

yeah i would too if she was ever on ICQ...
ugh

candyflip · 07-02-2008, 11:58 AM

Doesn't Media work with GGWCash now? Try hitting him up.

ronin · 07-02-2008, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by candyflip

Doesn't Media work with GGWCash now? Try hitting him up.

Media has not worked with them in a few months.....
I hear Lorenzo also does not work with them anymore....

Trixxxia · 07-02-2008, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by libertygone

yeah i would too if she was ever on ICQ...
ugh

Her hours are not standard business hours - email her or ICQ her and she'll answer you.

stev0 · 07-02-2008, 01:53 PM

Constan emailed me confirming that my May period 1 and 2 cheques would be sent on June 26th. Hopefully June period 1 cheques go out shortly after, going 3 or 4 pay dates without payments is really unacceptable.

But for those posting that "GGW Cash is history!" or thinking that the sky is falling... late payments (and bouncing cheques...) aren't anything new with this program. The accounting side seems pretty unorganized but they do always pay out eventually. A lot of the time payments are steady, just seems like accounting gets slammed every now and then and stuff like this happens.

candyflip · 07-02-2008, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ronin

Media has not worked with them in a few months.....
I hear Lorenzo also does not work with them anymore....

That's some quick turnover they've got there.

seeric · 07-02-2008, 02:37 PM

someone call joe, tell him to give me a checkbook and stand back. i'll do the rest.

ROFLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Juilan · 07-02-2008, 02:52 PM

Shanes is a great option

a few more with exclusive content in this niche;

Dreamgirls content:

Ill Cash

&

Dreamgirlsvod from Moviedollars

And yeah they GGW owes me too, but there we're signs from the start.

libertygone · 07-02-2008, 06:51 PM

Hey shane... How and where do i sign up? I clicked that new link but didnt see a signup link there..

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K

I vote you send me traffic.

Look a new shane's world with PPS/Epassporte/ and Real big boy affiliate tools.

www.shanesworldonline.com

Doesn't officially launch until 07-07-2008 but hey, what do i know

ps: don't sign up to shanesworldcash.com. thats not the program anymore. we're evolved, databases are already migrated and such. new one is at http://cash.shanesworldonline.com FYI.

if you signed up now it wont be in the right DB.

hi hi.

Hunter_ST · 07-02-2008, 06:55 PM

I'd pull the links if I weren't being paid...

just lots of bad news for Joe out there.

IllTestYourGirls · 07-02-2008, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K

I vote you send me traffic.

Look a new shane's world with PPS/Epassporte/ and Real big boy affiliate tools.

www.shanesworldonline.com

Doesn't officially launch until 07-07-2008 but hey, what do i know

ps: don't sign up to shanesworldcash.com. thats not the program anymore. we're evolved, databases are already migrated and such. new one is at http://cash.shanesworldonline.com FYI.

if you signed up now it wont be in the right DB.

hi hi.

do you have hosted tube vids and/or hosted banners?

DigitalPimp · 07-02-2008, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stev0

Constan emailed me confirming that my May period 1 and 2 cheques would be sent on June 26th.

Did you check the payment page to see if they were sent? I was told similar and my payment page still shows "unpaid" for the past 3 periods.

nemocnice · 07-02-2008, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProjectNaked

this was inevitable - people have such short memories.....

Like I said in the first place, GGW doesn't need affiliates and does not give a shit about them. They have also never denied this. Nothing against Joe as he has little to nothing to do with the internet/paysite department.

If someone's not getting paid, Joe knows about it, and most likely it was his call.

As a former employee of two years, I would say he doesn't care about the girls, affiliates, employees, or customers.

06-27-2008, 02:59 AM	#1
Dennis Rodman So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,060	GGWCash - where is my fucking money? Post if they owe you money. Ok, this is getting beyond ridiculous. I have been dealing with this for well over a month now. GGWCash owes me, and others, our fucking money. They are always claiming accounting issues and what not, and that they are "working on it". Well, GGW is a large enough company that this bullshit should have been straightened out by now.... or at least an email with an explanation as to why you are not paying your affiliates. The fucknut Lorenzo you have funning your affiliate sales sucks. He just ignores ICQs and never even responds... not even in an offline message. We know your program owner is in jail, but there should be plenty of money to pay your affiliates. Get your act together fast or links will start getting yanked and sent over to Shanesworld.

06-27-2008, 03:05 AM	#2
SexualDragon Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 3,038	I would have yanked the links already I hope this issue gets resolved __________________ Make 2009 a great year with Tiffany Preston 436-127-934

06-27-2008, 03:24 AM	#4
fris Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 55,270	You need to make more than 1 singup to get a check __________________ Since 1999: 69 Adult Industry awards for Best Hosting Company and professional excellence. WP Stuff

06-27-2008, 04:12 AM	#8
halfpint GFY's Halfpint Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Posts: 15,223	Sorry to say but GGW cash is not the only sponsor that keeps on messing about with payments I am geting fucked off with having to keep asking for money __________________ Get FREE website listings on Cryptocoinshops.net Last edited by halfpint; 06-27-2008 at 04:14 AM..

06-27-2008, 12:00 PM	#11
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	That's no good... Here's a bump for answers... __________________ I'm just a newbie.

06-27-2008, 03:08 AM	#3
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06-27-2008, 12:01 PM	#12
seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	I vote you send me traffic. Look a new shane's world with PPS/Epassporte/ and Real big boy affiliate tools. www.shanesworldonline.com Doesn't officially launch until 07-07-2008 but hey, what do i know ps: don't sign up to shanesworldcash.com. thats not the program anymore. we're evolved, databases are already migrated and such. new one is at http://cash.shanesworldonline.com FYI. if you signed up now it wont be in the right DB. hi hi. Last edited by seeric; 06-27-2008 at 12:03 PM..

06-28-2008, 04:56 AM	#14
Pryda Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 903	Switch to ePassporte and you'll have no more problems, just like me.

06-30-2008, 12:46 PM	#15
DigitalPimp Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 512	Has anyone got a check for any of the past 3 periods? Lorenzo told me last Wednesday checks were going out that day but thier payments page still shows each of the last 3 periods as "unpaid" ... http://www.girlsgonewildcash.com/payments.php

06-30-2008, 10:08 PM	#17
libertygone Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 445	This is such bullshit I'm waiting for my May payments and they STILL OWE ME.... wtf.. i swear this is their desperate attempt to steal our money PLEASE JUST PAY US.. __________________ ICQ: 662722477 Last edited by libertygone; 06-30-2008 at 10:09 PM..

06-30-2008, 11:53 PM	#18
Jens Van Assterdam The Dupre Pimp Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Koh Samui Posts: 6,677	Dear GirlsGoneWildCash Affiliate, We would like to inform you that based on a statistical analysis of your account performance over the past several months we find it necessary to transfer your account to our Revshare program versus the previous selected program type of Pay-Per-Signup. Some of the factors that directly impacted this decision include: trial to full membership conversion ratios, member retention, customer refund requests, and chargebacks. Please keep in mind you will still benefit from our competitive Revshare payout rate of 60% for the life of all members referred under your account. The transfer from Pay-Per-Signup to our Revshare program will be effective as of July 1, 2008. We appreciate your business, and please feel free to contact us should you have any further questions. -GirlsGoneWildCash Support Got that email this morning from Syl (Sylvia Dente).. i thought she left GGW? __________________ Read TOS for signature rules

07-01-2008, 04:36 AM	#19
Tjeezers Webmaster Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: BP4L - NL/RO Posts: 16,556	I got the same one Dear GirlsGoneWildCash Affiliate, We would like to inform you that based on a statistical analysis of your account performance over the past several months we find it necessary to transfer your account to our Revshare program versus ...................... __________________ Enroll in the SWAG Affiliate Asian Live Cam Program and get 9 free quality linkbacks from my network! Wanna see how old school I am? Look at this! All my Cam Review Sites are here!

07-01-2008, 05:02 AM	#20
Jens Van Assterdam The Dupre Pimp Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Koh Samui Posts: 6,677	Not a big suprise to be honest. Their members area is one of the worst out there. __________________ Read TOS for signature rules

07-01-2008, 08:14 AM	#21
libertygone Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 445	i got that same email.... wow.. __________________ ICQ: 662722477

07-01-2008, 09:36 AM	#22
Tjeezers Webmaster Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: BP4L - NL/RO Posts: 16,556	I bet everyone got this email. It is the begin of the end __________________ Enroll in the SWAG Affiliate Asian Live Cam Program and get 9 free quality linkbacks from my network! Wanna see how old school I am? Look at this! All my Cam Review Sites are here!

07-01-2008, 12:55 PM	#23
libertygone Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 445	BUMP........ __________________ ICQ: 662722477

07-01-2008, 01:19 PM	#24
Nikki_Licks Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Behind The Lens Posts: 6,323	If it were me, I would pull the links down. They owe you money and they seem to always have some bullshit excuse for not paying on time. And that is all it is...an excise. __________________ Amateur Content ICQ: 292 356 077

07-01-2008, 04:53 PM	#25
Dennis Rodman So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,060	You have to be kidding me. Bump for fucking answers. Where the fuck is my money still?

07-01-2008, 05:05 PM	#26
bdld $100,000 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 11,452	i got the same email, being converted to Revshare. i have 3 GGW domains, any alternatives? i have 1 mardi gras domain, another spring break one and a regular party one.

07-01-2008, 05:07 PM	#27
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	that sort of mail is the death rattle of a program - same thing happened to rookie babe ...

07-01-2008, 05:10 PM	#28
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	maybe once they pay off joe's gambling debts you guys will get paid: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,374822,00.html LAS VEGAS — "Girls Gone Wild" founder Joe Francis is being sued by a Las Vegas Strip casino seeking repayment for $2 million in gambling debts.

07-01-2008, 05:24 PM	#29
Tjeezers Webmaster Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: BP4L - NL/RO Posts: 16,556	GGW is history!! __________________ Enroll in the SWAG Affiliate Asian Live Cam Program and get 9 free quality linkbacks from my network! Wanna see how old school I am? Look at this! All my Cam Review Sites are here!

07-01-2008, 05:24 PM	#30
Cradle meh Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: the beach Posts: 1,438	time to switch up links __________________

07-01-2008, 06:18 PM	#31
ProjectNaked Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Detroit Areola Posts: 4,309	this was inevitable - people have such short memories..... Like I said in the first place, GGW doesn't need affiliates and does not give a shit about them. They have also never denied this. Nothing against Joe as he has little to nothing to do with the internet/paysite department.

07-01-2008, 06:27 PM	#32
dav3 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 7,348	damn, that sucks ass. hopefully you get the commission that is owed to you __________________ Webmasters :: Juicy Ads :: ACWM :: Crak Revenue :: Money Tree

07-01-2008, 07:02 PM	#33
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	I never understood how it made sense for them to dilute the search engines with affilliate pages. You would figure that they would be able to dominate with their brand name and make a larger profit that way. __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

07-02-2008, 10:40 AM	#35
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,391	07/01/2008 unpaid 06/01/2008 - 06/30/2008 USD 175.00 06/01/2008 unpaid 05/01/2008 - 05/31/2008 USD 210.00

07-02-2008, 10:51 AM	#36
Jens Van Assterdam The Dupre Pimp Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Koh Samui Posts: 6,677	Why do they pay some and some not? Always got my epass payments so far. Some were late but they came in.. lets see how syl handles things. Iam bombarding her icq in a sec :-) __________________ Read TOS for signature rules

07-02-2008, 11:58 AM	#39
candyflip Carpe Visio Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New York Posts: 43,056	Doesn't Media work with GGWCash now? Try hitting him up. __________________ Spend you some brain. Email Me

07-02-2008, 01:53 PM	#42
stev0 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Calgary, Alberta Posts: 6,801	Constan emailed me confirming that my May period 1 and 2 cheques would be sent on June 26th. Hopefully June period 1 cheques go out shortly after, going 3 or 4 pay dates without payments is really unacceptable. But for those posting that "GGW Cash is history!" or thinking that the sky is falling... late payments (and bouncing cheques...) aren't anything new with this program. The accounting side seems pretty unorganized but they do always pay out eventually. A lot of the time payments are steady, just seems like accounting gets slammed every now and then and stuff like this happens.

07-02-2008, 02:37 PM	#44
seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	someone call joe, tell him to give me a checkbook and stand back. i'll do the rest. ROFLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

07-02-2008, 02:52 PM	#45
Juilan Sultan of Swing Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: XXXodus Posts: 15,141	Shanes is a great option a few more with exclusive content in this niche; Dreamgirls content: Ill Cash & Dreamgirlsvod from Moviedollars And yeah they GGW owes me too, but there we're signs from the start. __________________ My Best Converting VOD Sponsor \|

07-02-2008, 06:55 PM	#47
Hunter_ST Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Getting messy... Posts: 763	I'd pull the links if I weren't being paid... just lots of bad news for Joe out there. __________________ Splosh Cash Wet and Messy Fetish Program I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.