Due

Personally I dont see it as a big problem, some people will not be able to afford driving their car due to high gas prices, others will just be pissed about. Again is cars really something for everybody?
It may hurt the car manufactures for dropping sales (especially Ford have been in the news), a lot of people is getting fired and unemployeed. Then again, can you really blame anyone else than the car manufacture ? They based their entire business based on 1 important natural resource, if they didnt work on an alternative when the business was good to have a backup in place, isn't it really just their own fault ?
If you live by the assumption everything is not for everybody (everybody should have a car and be able to afford driving it), wouldn't it also be the best for our environment, everybody know less cars on the road = less pollution, if people are more savy heating their house = less pollution.
What do you think?

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jollyperv

I work at home, fuck em'

But seriously, I think it is a good thing...people really need to wake the fuck up in this country...so fucking wasteful, it's un fucking believable

sandman!

your missing a big part of it.

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The problem with rising fuel costs is not just about driving your car. It affects every product that you purchase. If it didn't come on a truck or a plane, it came on a ship.

Power, telephone and cable companies have fleets of service vehicles.

Farmers use huge field machinery.

Construction crews and their heavy machines.

This affects the cost of EVERYTHING - How is that good?

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thunder99

I agree with you to some extend. The problem is that higher energy prices won't really affect the wealthy and won't cause any great lifestyle changes.

The worst hit will be those that are struggling to survive already.

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Yes I really care as it matters to the people who buy my memberships.
It not only eats their checks up with buying gas, but everything from food to electricity costs rise due to the rising fuel costs.

Wages are not increasing, well they are for minimum wage but by the time they will go into effect the increases will have gone way above and beyond any percentages gained in the new wage. Assuming they still will have a job as some companies are cutting back on such jobs due to rising costs.

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the US nr 1 oil consumer and spoilers

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papill0n

I think you need to think it through a little more. THe rising price of oil affects just about every aspect of our lives.

Due

If we assume that higher energy costs make your more savy on how you use your resources.
Examples:
You isolate your house better, cutting down the energy usage with upwards 50% or more.
You drive your car less, get a smaller engine, some people will have no car at all.
At the point where more people see the sense in doign this rather than just spending on energy, that so far have been the cheapest, it will reduce the global usage = prices would drop a bit (still be above the levels today though)
Also more money will be put into alternative energy sources, result will be cleaner fuel.
What if you say things is not getting expensive but just reaching a moderate level so we will stop "not giving a shit"

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Due

Agreed to that, but is it good or bad ?

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Good point but isnt one of the problems really that people already struggling could borrow money to buy homes / cars etc and that caused the credit crise as we see it now. Would that have been avoided if energy costs was 25-35% higher 4-5 years ago ?
For the same reason the interest rate from the FED is very low, making the dollar weak and that increase the price of oil.
Nobody wish to invest in the dollar when the rate is so low (ECB rate is double) but if the rate is increased 100 of thousands of homes will be put into foreclosures. Is owning your home / having a car really for everybody? You are paying now a higher costs for energy because someone bought a house they could not afford (multiplied with a couple of millions)

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I think people miss a lot of facts regarding the recent sky high jump in oil-and gasoline prices.

First. Nothing has changed in the last year ,no major oil pipes have got damaged and no major oil refinery has suffered a major accident to warrant a rise so production is not a issue.
The rise in cost is just speculators making a quick buck.

Yes places such as india and china are growing and need more oil but opec has always managed to limit production and it can be increased any time.

Of course 1 day we will run out of oil but thats a long way off.


The main issue is this in my mind


Goverments make over 30 percent + in taxes in north america and im sure in europe also so they voice concern but really do nothing as they love the extra income.

If countries really wanted to help thier citizens they would subsidise public transport build new mass transit metro systems and could do a huge amount of things to help solve this problem somewhat.

Conclusion for me ?

Goverments doesnt really give a fuck its all extra $$$$$ and just make you think they care

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There are a whole lot of people though that never did anything stupid at all and are suffering from these effects.
I have renters for instance and they are real good kids, yet they struggle their asses off and really have no debt.
My neighbors on other hand bought a house at a damn good deal from owner. Also is not in credit card debt etc. However even despite that they are a dual income family with 1 kid. They are living check to check. Their mortgage however is less than what I charge for rent.

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I think it's bad.. The higher oil goes the more everything else costs.. Everything's gone up except income.

I think it's fucked up that my electric bill is now double what it was just a month or two ago and at slightly just over half the consumption.

I remember buying 10lb bags of potatos at $2.99 a bag just a month ago or so and now that same bag is now $4.99. The large cans of coffee I bought at $5.99 are now $8.99.. Yeah, big deal you say since it's only a couple of dollars but add to that the higher cost of pretty much everything else added to that..

I spend an everage of $700 per month on food shopping and this did not include take out, drive thru, convenience snack stops or whatever.... Now that same $700 in food costs about $925

A few hundred miles round trip to visit my daughter that used to cost me $80 is now $115

Driving my wife to and from her job is $100 per week.

Heating my home last winter was $275 to $350 per month last winter.. I think this coming winter it's going to fucking break me if natural gas goes up.. haven't seen this happen yet but think it's coming soon..

I'm seeing this whole fucking economy & high gas prices taking a negative impact on me personally and I don't like it.. I think it's definitely a cause for the drop in sales/conversions

Antonio

higher fuel prices leaves everybody with less disposable income, add the tubes and torrents to the picture and boy, the future's really looking bright

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marketsmart

Warren Buffet said last week that oil prices were based more on supply issues than speculators..

i believe Buffet more than i believe media and the govt...

oil may retract a bit, but oil is going to continue upward at a fast rate..

china is putting 25,000 new cars on the road every day... in 10 years, they will have more cars then the US... there are 300 million middle class people in china that can afford cars.. the total US population is around 350 million...

do the math, its not hard to figure out why oil is flying up...

Rochard

Americans suck. They drive every place. "I'm hungry, I'm gonna go drive my car a quarter of a mile to the fast food joint". How about walking? You get exercise on the way there and on the way back.

My neighbors used to crack me up. Both of them were 300 lbs. I kid you not they would say "I'm hungry" and drive to the store to buy a gallon of ice cream".

I work from home and rarely leave the house. My wife goes grocery shopping once a month. My car has dust on it. My wife's truck sits idle for days at a time.

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pr0

yea well most of us have friends & family.....scattered all over

and we like to socialize & do things in person....which takes cars, planes & trains

i suppose if i had agoraphobia then your setup would be perfect and i would have no gas price issues at all....i could sit at home, order my groceries online & build dust on my new car

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how any man could stand to be in the same house with his wife for days at a time amazes me......in fact I'm pretty sure golf was invented for just this problem

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pr0

by the way gasoline prices are not causing me any issues yet

however once it hits $10 a gallon....i will have to stop planning any interstate trips up/down the coast (due to practicality), which sucks because I love driving....& hate planes

crockett

It's good and bad, it's the only thing that will force us to be responsible and not drive Mac trucks to get groceries but it's bad for the everyday Joe because prices are getting too high.

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mozadek

Good for those who have 401ks that are invested in oil companies and share owners of oil companies.

DirtyProfits

I say fuck those whiney bastards. If they are so damn lazy and drive everywhere, then they must fucking pay for it. Of course I don't like paying $150 for filling up my tank but it's my choice and I do not have to drive. I love riding my bike and there is also public transportation. I really hope the price for oil will go up to $200 this year and even more next year.

Due

Are you refering to the Iraq oil? I doubt USA will see much proffits from that, not only does the money go to Iraq but also will be very difficult to maintain the production without various kind of attacks on the infrastructure.
If you are referring to the US oil reserves in north dakota, did you notice it will take 5 years before it is in full production mode? I'm wondering where the oil prices will go in the meantime, many of the news about it seems to be rather and does not really seem to have a big impact on the price today

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tony286

Well said, gas goes up to 6 bucks a gallon. Say good bye to half the people in this biz. I told my wife we are spending about $120 a week for gas because we making little trips for everything. This is going to stop and considering I work from home or my office that is 2 miles away. I shouldnt be using more than a tankful a week.

Due

Wow what kind of engine do you have? I used to have a volvo when I lived in Denmark with the D5 engine, ran about 40 miles per gallon (really sound like a lot 15 kilometer per liter), wasnt really slow neither with 160 diesel horsepower, didnt have problems pushing it to about 135 miles per hour on the autobahn. How much power do you need??

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tony286

I have a grand marquis I bought it about a year and a half ago when gas was much cheaper.I needed a bigger car for shooting road trips. It costs about 60 bucks to fill up and Ive been doing it twice a week. That is going to stop.

Azoy?

depends how you look at it.
less people driving and flying means less CO2 pollution which means less green house gasses. that's good.
high prices also raise food prices and raises inflation making it hard for some people to buy all the food they would like or any at all in some developing countries. that's bad.
so it really has a two effect. it's not one or the other and it really depends on your views and how you look at it.

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brandonstills

Well more expensive generally sucks, but the good part is that it is forcing an issue that has long needed more attention. Finally energy is becoming a major topic. Funny how a 7 trillion dollar a year industry never got much attention before when everything was cheap. You would think more entrepreneurs would be interested in it with a market size that large. It will also be good for the environment to have people pollute less and use cleaner energy sources.

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It's surprising the amount of items either contain oil, or need oil to manufacture. Then there's also the transporting of them, so it's basically everything.

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kane

In the long run the one thing it will do is force our hand at figuring out alternative fuels, conservation techniques and lifestyle changes. The process, however, is going to be very painful.

No matter what any politician tells you gas prices are not going down. They may drop a little from time to time but they are never getting back to $2 a gallon. I would be shocked to see us at anything less than $3.85 a gallon. There is too much world wide demand for oil for the producing countries to bother selling it cheaper. Sure, we can drill, but it will take anywhere from 5-10 years before that oil finds its way into our gas tanks.

The reality is the middle class in America is built around owning a car. The suburbs were created for people who don't want to live downtown, want a yard and don't mind driving a little bit to work. Then the car companies convinced these people that they need a giant SUV. And now those SUVs are kicking everyone in the ass.

The rising cost of gas is sending the cost of food up between 9-12% every year. That means in 3 years your food bill will be about 1/3rd more than it is today. Anything that is shipped will go up in price. This cost will greatly outpace wage increases and most American's are maxed out and live paycheck to paycheck. This leads to them having huge difficulties making major lifestyle changes. Sure, you can trade in the SUV for a smaller car, but if you are upside down in your car loan (which most people are) your new commuter car will have a higher payment than the old SUV. It doesn't make sense to spend another $200 a month to buy a car that will only save you $150 month. I guess in the long run it will end up saving you money once you paid it off, but the immediate future will be tough.

Mass transit, buses and other options are slow to build up so the suburbs won't be getting more of that any time soon. People will simply have to suck it up and pay more. That means less money to spend on other things. And if they want to develop these mass transit systems it will take money to do them and money means more taxes which suck for the already stressed out people.

So in the long run it could be good for us. We have talked about developing alternative fuels and better conservation for a long time and now it seems we have no choice but to get on it. Once these things happen and things are good, we will do better, but in the mean time it is going to be a painful situation.

I don't forecast a very pleasant economic outlook for the next 3-5 years.

sorry for the long post.

xclicks

Forget what your government tells you. Histories will repeat itself. A politician cannot foresee a crisis. They never did they never will. This is because they will loose the campaign if they foresee bad things and will have to take bad measures.
From last 7 recessions 6 were because of an oil price increase with about $10. You can figure out yourself what will be.
Second war was started by Germany to seize access to oil and other resources. War in Iraq was started by US to seize oil. This increase may lead to a major war.

Oil production may peaked (do a google about peak oil) production in last 3 years didn't exceed 86 mild barrel per day. That means we could be on the peak or the max plato.

On the other side China, India and Easter Europe countries increased demand. US/Ca and West Europe were the same. Price setup by demand is a nice lie and not works unless the offer can meet the demand. If not then there is a burst/bubble in price. A good example is prime land on the shore or downtown where the offer is limited and if the seller can choose the buyer. (eg Venezuela said will not sell in Europe for example) To fully understand this.. only about 30% of this market is free the rest is done between countries so if china need more access it will have to seize their own fields. How? This remains to be seen. We saw them in Zimbabwe and other places..
Oil price will strike US the most. Gas increase is the most there. In Europe it cost about $8 per gallon, in Canada $6. US trade is way much more based in transportation (Wal-Mart for example) then the Europeans. If there will not be a major war, because US will have to rewrite and reconsider almost everything have the chance to reinvent itself.

US gov lies about public transport. They never wanted a public transportation since Ford and GM sponsored the elections. I recommend them to visit Paris or some of other European cities to see what I mean. In Paris there is no reason to drive a car when is cheaper faster and more convenient to use public while u cannot say the same thing in any other us city.
This year is an election year. Nobody wants to spread the bad news so they will blame everything else except there is not enough oil to meet the demand



So yes.. be happy about working from home and think about who buys your membership but when they will have to choose between food or gas and your membership you may have to find a job and start commuting.

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Good for oil companies and speculators holding call options or futures contracts and are long of the market.

Bad for pretty much everyone else...

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And thats just the start. For these people to maintain their standard of living they have, they will cut back on other things to keep up the income. So that means more unemployed.

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Yngwie

I don't own a car, but my house is heating with oil so it affects me in that way. On top of that food prices go up along with everything else so many people whether they have a car or not get fucked over by increasing oil/gas prices. I just sold my house so I will no longer get affected with the heating aspect, but food prices and other shit will affect everyone. Especially those with very low incomes.

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