McCAIN'S VP SARAH PALIN LIES AGAIN - GoFuckYourself.com

SoloGirlsContent · 09-02-2008, 02:09 PM

Sarah Palin is Lying--Again

http://open.salon.com/content.php?cid=14590
Okay, let's break this down:
1. Upon being accused by the Daily Kos of NOT being the mother of 4-month-old Trig, and accused of covering for her then 16-year-old daughter by claiming the child as her own, VP candidate Sarah Palin responds NOT by releasing run-of-the-mill medical records which would name the obstetrician, the pediatrician, the on-call anesthesiologist, the nurses--in short, records that would name the dozen or so people who would have witnessed and could attest to the truthfulness of Palin's assertion that she did, in fact, give birth to Palin on April whatever, and St. Whatever Hospital in Wherever, Alaska.

Nope. To prove she is Trig's mother, she makes a public statement that, in effect, only serves to make it "impossible" that her daughter Bristol is Trig's mother, by asserting that Bristol is "five months' pregnant," making it "physically impossible" that Bristol is Trig's mother.

Think this through: Let's assume Palin is telling the truth: She's Trig's mother, and Bristol is five months' along.

If Palin had wanted to end all speculation about her maternity, the logical, simple, and irrefutable thing to have done would have been to release her own medical records, which would have provided virtually indisputable proof of the fact that she--and not Bristol--was the mother of that child.

And in releasing these records, she could easily have spared her daughter the embarrasment of being outed on an international scale as a "fornicator," and a teen mother. In other words, Bristol's current pregnancy is entirely irrelevant to Palin's authenticity as Trig's mother. So if she's telling the truth and can prove it, why bring Bristol into it at all? Why throw your pregnant, teenaged daughter under the bus and international scrutiny if you don't have to? If there's another, simple, honest way to end the potentially damaging speculation?

The simple anser is, there is no good reason.

Here's the timeline--let's see if it makes sense to anyone else.

According to the Daily Kos, Bristol left school under doctor's orders because she was suffering from mono, at a time that would have coincided with the end of her first trimester, were she in fact Trig's mother. She stays out of school for eight months, which would make sense assuming a second and third trimester and a month or so to recover her pre-pregnancy figure.

Bristol is photographed in an official family portrait taken in approximately November of 2007 sporting a noticable "baby bump." She then disappears from public view.

In March 2008, Palin pubicly "acknowledges" her pregnancy. All reports quote staffers and press who have been in contact with Palin over the past several months as expressing "shock" that she didn't "look pregnant at all."

Yesterday, the Daily Kos pulls together several videos and photographs which seem to suggest that Palin wasn't "showing" in any recognizable way, despite this being her purported fifth child.

In April, ostensibly eight months' pregnant, Palin flies to Houston to deliver a key-note speech at a Republican convention. Sometime prior to her speech, she claims her "water broke," meaning her amniotic sac had ruptured, which is--as any woman who has gone through labor at least once knows--an indication that delivery is imminent.

Rather than go to the hospital to undergo what ANY OBSTETRICIAN IN AMERICA would describe as a "high-risk" birth, she stays and gives her key-note address. No one in the audience discerns any distress on her part, despite her assertion that at this point, she was in early labor.

(Note: I've had two kids. I've been in early labor. I could not have held a coherent phone converstion much less delivered a keynote address, in labor. But then again, I'm not Sarah Palin.)

But I digress: She ends her speech and travels immediately--NOT to the nearest state-0f-the-art Houston hospital where her Down syndrome baby could be delivered safely, but...to the airport. Where she boards a commercial flight with a duration of some 9.5 hours, back to Alaska. Complete with a layover in Seattle.

NONE of the attendants on that fligh recall Palin as being in any distress--or even physical discomfort. In fact, none of them remember remarking Palin's supposed pregnancy at all. But maybe they were just a particularly unobservant crew, even thought the governor of the flight's destination state was on board. I'm sure they barely noticed her at all--a 44-year-old governor, 35 weeks' pregnant, in preterm labor, with a security detail and her husband and assistant and press aide in tow. They'd be easy to miss, don't you think?

Some 2o hours after her water broke in Houston (in first mothers, you start to get worried at 12 hours. In a high-risk pregancy, you worry immediately. In a fith pregnancy that's considered high risk, you don't even travel after month 7), Palin and her entourage arrive in Alaska and deplane. They then get into a car and drive past not one but TWO state-of-the-art medical facilities that could have handled a high-rist delivery of an at-risk infant with flying colors. Instead, Sarah Palin opts to push on for an additional TWO FULL HOURS so that she can "deliver her son Trig" in a podunk hospital in rural Alaska, "attended" by her friend and political appointee Cathy Baldwin-Johnson.

There, she delivers Trig.

Three days later, Pailin returns to work and announces that Trig has Down syndrome. She claims that she and her husband knew of the child's condition prior to his birth and chose not to terminate the pregnancy in keeping with their "prolife beliefs."

And there's where it gets even fishier: If Palin in fact did know that her child had Down syndrom and that the delivery would have been considered "high risk" for any woman because of the medical complications that arise for Down syndrome infants, ON TOP of the fact that this was her supposed "fifth" delivery, why would any responsible mother chose to travel for 22 hours in active labor rather than check into a world-class medical facility in Houston?

Why wouldn't any of the hundreds of people she would have encountered that day remember a woman in recognizable labor?

And finally, why, in an attempt to dispel once and for all the rumors that she was not in fact Trig's mother, would she not release innocuous and accurate medical records attesting to that indisputable fact and instead impugn her own 17-year-old daughter?

IF Sarah Palin is Trig's mother, Bristol's "subsequent" pregnancy is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT to that fact. Totally. Brig's maternity is a matter of medical record, which is easily released and utterly indisputable.
But the only defence Palin's camp can put up is not proof of her own maternity but the supposed "impossibility" of Bristol's maternity of Trig. Which is an extremely roundabout way to prove the point, and simultaneously throws her teenaged daughter under the bus by making her pre-marital teen pregnancy an international news story.

One more time, PALIN outs her daughter as an unwed teen mother IN DEFENSE of her own maternity of Trig. If she were Trig's mother, there are absolutely indisputable ways to prove that (the release of her medical records) that don't impugn anyone else. There's no reason to "prove" that Bristol "couldn't be" Trig's mother.

And if Palin is Trig's mother and can prove it, WHY OUT HER DAUGHTER? Why subject her 17-year-old daughter to public humilation if it wasn't absolutely necessary?
The answer? Because it was. There are no medical records that can prove that Sarah Palin is Trig's biological mother, because she isn't.

Mark my words, one of three things is going to happen post-convention, and none of them are good for the McCain campaign:1. Palin will drop out of the race without acknowleding maternity of Trig and cite the "pressures of preserving her family's privacy and integrity during a tryint time" as reasons.

2. Palin will admit to the subterfuge and drop out of the race citing protection of her daughter as her motive, and then promptly agreed to an exclusive sit-down with Barbara Walters to give the "Palin side of the story."

3. Palin will continue to lie, until demands for irrefutable proof of her maternity overwhelm the campaign. She'll either produce, or she'll opt for No. 1, or 2.

Okay, once again because I'm not sure how clearly I've made the point: When faced with the politital obligation to verify one's own maternity of a child, why would anyone incorporate the medically and factually irrelevant fact of their under-aged daughter's unwed pregnancy as proof if they had ANYTHING ELSE to offer?

If Sarah Palin DIDN'T HAVE to make her daughter the object of scrutiny to prove she hadn't lied, why in God's name would she do so?

And that, as they say, is the the proverbial Fat Lady singing.

cybermike · 09-02-2008, 02:13 PM

Consipiracy theories are fun.. don't you see this is as stupid as saying obama's birth certificate is fake?

directfiesta · 09-02-2008, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cybermike

Consipiracy theories are fun..

Yes... and they expose secrets quite often ( in this case the so-called Bristol pregnancy ).

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Originally Posted by cybermike

don't you see this is as stupid as saying obama's birth certificate is fake?

Nope, because the OBAMA birth certificate has been produced ... can't say the same on the VP situation...

Medical exam of either the mother ( presumed ) or the daughter could clear up a lot ....

baddog · 09-02-2008, 02:20 PM

Simon, does it hurt when you try to think?

Phil · 09-02-2008, 02:25 PM

How many more threads about her and the baby you ging to start, simon? Ok, we got it, you love Obama... love him very much... very very much.... very very very much...

PetMyKitty · 09-02-2008, 02:27 PM

you have way too much time on your hands

SuzzyQ · 09-02-2008, 02:27 PM

Why are you so obsessed with her?. We all know you would bend over for Obama.

nation-x · 09-02-2008, 02:29 PM

Listen... I am a DEMOCRAT and you lost me as soon as I read this: According to the Daily Kos...

Drake · 09-02-2008, 02:29 PM

Give it a rest

DaLord · 09-02-2008, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Simon, does it hurt when you try to think?

Hahahaha

tony286 · 09-02-2008, 02:30 PM

Simon dont listen to them, thank you for the info.

SoloGirlsContent · 09-02-2008, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Simon, does it hurt when you try to think?

fuck off old fart, cuz you're asshole is the one hurting since your McCain just fucked you deep

TheSenator · 09-02-2008, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by nation-x

Listen... I am a DEMOCRAT and you lost me as soon as I read this: According to the Daily Kos...

Dumbass...Don't believe the DailyKos.com....Do your own research or cross reference for verification.

Palin can just release her medical records and it will all be fine.

TheSenator · 09-02-2008, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Simon, does it hurt when you try to think?

Dude....Your humor is soooo witty.

amacontent · 09-02-2008, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CAMOKAT

How many more threads about her and the baby you ging to start, simon? Ok, we got it, you love Obama... love him very much... very very much.... very very very much...

Thankyou this is an adult webmaster board, we thought you left us. GEEZ

yeah i know shut up fatboy yada yada yada. Go away for real this time.

amacontent · 09-02-2008, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by simonsyinister

fuck off old fart, cuz you're asshole is the one hurting since your McCain just fucked you deep

So Typical, Bad Dog one of the nicest guys in the biz.

germ · 09-02-2008, 02:55 PM

Im pro Obama and I think that article was completely retarded.

Not to mention a few misspellings and typos. Nice job.

SoloGirlsContent · 09-02-2008, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by amacontent

Thankyou this is an adult webmaster board, we thought you left us. GEEZ

yeah i know shut up fatboy yada yada yada. Go away for real this time.

why don't you go start your own thread loser, instead of riding my coat tails.. And until you OWN GFY, shut that burger vaccuum in the middle of that big head

StickyGreen · 09-02-2008, 03:00 PM

You idiots just can't get enough of all the trivial bullshit can you?

You should have been watching Jesse Ventura's speech at Ron Paul's rally just now instead, he fucking laid it down.

But you guys don't care about Liberty and this Republic, you only care about shady Democrats and Republicans.

Carry on with your irrelevant distractions...

Phil · 09-02-2008, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by amacontent

Thankyou this is an adult webmaster board, we thought you left us. GEEZ

yeah i know shut up fatboy yada yada yada. Go away for real this time.

who the fuck are you? and yes, shut up fat boy!

Phil · 09-02-2008, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by simonsyinister

shut that burger vaccuum in the middle of that big head

thank you for chuckle. Ice tea is on the floor now.

amacontent · 09-02-2008, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CAMOKAT

thank you for chuckle. Ice tea is on the floor now.

Another nobody with a waste of a piehole.

Looks like Hillbilly Bob and his sidekick are back

amacontent · 09-02-2008, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by simonsyinister

why don't you go start your own thread loser, instead of riding my coat tails.. And until you OWN GFY, shut that burger vaccuum in the middle of that big head

Listen hillbilly mr simon scaming ster go back to your farm and milk your goats. Geez was so pleasant while you were gone. I guess nagging back aches never truely go away

BVF · 09-02-2008, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by simonsyinister

Sarah Palin is Lying--Again

http://open.salon.com/content.php?cid=14590
Okay, let's break this down:
1. Upon being accused by the Daily Kos of NOT being the mother of 4-month-old Trig, and accused of covering for her then 16-year-old daughter by claiming the child as her own, VP candidate Sarah Palin responds NOT by releasing run-of-the-mill medical records which would name the obstetrician, the pediatrician, the on-call anesthesiologist, the nurses--in short, records that would name the dozen or so people who would have witnessed and could attest to the truthfulness of Palin's assertion that she did, in fact, give birth to Palin on April whatever, and St. Whatever Hospital in Wherever, Alaska.

Nope. To prove she is Trig's mother, she makes a public statement that, in effect, only serves to make it "impossible" that her daughter Bristol is Trig's mother, by asserting that Bristol is "five months' pregnant," making it "physically impossible" that Bristol is Trig's mother.

Think this through: Let's assume Palin is telling the truth: She's Trig's mother, and Bristol is five months' along.

If Palin had wanted to end all speculation about her maternity, the logical, simple, and irrefutable thing to have done would have been to release her own medical records, which would have provided virtually indisputable proof of the fact that she--and not Bristol--was the mother of that child.

And in releasing these records, she could easily have spared her daughter the embarrasment of being outed on an international scale as a "fornicator," and a teen mother. In other words, Bristol's current pregnancy is entirely irrelevant to Palin's authenticity as Trig's mother. So if she's telling the truth and can prove it, why bring Bristol into it at all? Why throw your pregnant, teenaged daughter under the bus and international scrutiny if you don't have to? If there's another, simple, honest way to end the potentially damaging speculation?

The simple anser is, there is no good reason.

Here's the timeline--let's see if it makes sense to anyone else.

According to the Daily Kos, Bristol left school under doctor's orders because she was suffering from mono, at a time that would have coincided with the end of her first trimester, were she in fact Trig's mother. She stays out of school for eight months, which would make sense assuming a second and third trimester and a month or so to recover her pre-pregnancy figure.

Bristol is photographed in an official family portrait taken in approximately November of 2007 sporting a noticable "baby bump." She then disappears from public view.

In March 2008, Palin pubicly "acknowledges" her pregnancy. All reports quote staffers and press who have been in contact with Palin over the past several months as expressing "shock" that she didn't "look pregnant at all."

Yesterday, the Daily Kos pulls together several videos and photographs which seem to suggest that Palin wasn't "showing" in any recognizable way, despite this being her purported fifth child.

In April, ostensibly eight months' pregnant, Palin flies to Houston to deliver a key-note speech at a Republican convention. Sometime prior to her speech, she claims her "water broke," meaning her amniotic sac had ruptured, which is--as any woman who has gone through labor at least once knows--an indication that delivery is imminent.

Rather than go to the hospital to undergo what ANY OBSTETRICIAN IN AMERICA would describe as a "high-risk" birth, she stays and gives her key-note address. No one in the audience discerns any distress on her part, despite her assertion that at this point, she was in early labor.

(Note: I've had two kids. I've been in early labor. I could not have held a coherent phone converstion much less delivered a keynote address, in labor. But then again, I'm not Sarah Palin.)

But I digress: She ends her speech and travels immediately--NOT to the nearest state-0f-the-art Houston hospital where her Down syndrome baby could be delivered safely, but...to the airport. Where she boards a commercial flight with a duration of some 9.5 hours, back to Alaska. Complete with a layover in Seattle.

NONE of the attendants on that fligh recall Palin as being in any distress--or even physical discomfort. In fact, none of them remember remarking Palin's supposed pregnancy at all. But maybe they were just a particularly unobservant crew, even thought the governor of the flight's destination state was on board. I'm sure they barely noticed her at all--a 44-year-old governor, 35 weeks' pregnant, in preterm labor, with a security detail and her husband and assistant and press aide in tow. They'd be easy to miss, don't you think?

Some 2o hours after her water broke in Houston (in first mothers, you start to get worried at 12 hours. In a high-risk pregancy, you worry immediately. In a fith pregnancy that's considered high risk, you don't even travel after month 7), Palin and her entourage arrive in Alaska and deplane. They then get into a car and drive past not one but TWO state-of-the-art medical facilities that could have handled a high-rist delivery of an at-risk infant with flying colors. Instead, Sarah Palin opts to push on for an additional TWO FULL HOURS so that she can "deliver her son Trig" in a podunk hospital in rural Alaska, "attended" by her friend and political appointee Cathy Baldwin-Johnson.

There, she delivers Trig.

Three days later, Pailin returns to work and announces that Trig has Down syndrome. She claims that she and her husband knew of the child's condition prior to his birth and chose not to terminate the pregnancy in keeping with their "prolife beliefs."

And there's where it gets even fishier: If Palin in fact did know that her child had Down syndrom and that the delivery would have been considered "high risk" for any woman because of the medical complications that arise for Down syndrome infants, ON TOP of the fact that this was her supposed "fifth" delivery, why would any responsible mother chose to travel for 22 hours in active labor rather than check into a world-class medical facility in Houston?

Why wouldn't any of the hundreds of people she would have encountered that day remember a woman in recognizable labor?

And finally, why, in an attempt to dispel once and for all the rumors that she was not in fact Trig's mother, would she not release innocuous and accurate medical records attesting to that indisputable fact and instead impugn her own 17-year-old daughter?

IF Sarah Palin is Trig's mother, Bristol's "subsequent" pregnancy is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT to that fact. Totally. Brig's maternity is a matter of medical record, which is easily released and utterly indisputable.
But the only defence Palin's camp can put up is not proof of her own maternity but the supposed "impossibility" of Bristol's maternity of Trig. Which is an extremely roundabout way to prove the point, and simultaneously throws her teenaged daughter under the bus by making her pre-marital teen pregnancy an international news story.

One more time, PALIN outs her daughter as an unwed teen mother IN DEFENSE of her own maternity of Trig. If she were Trig's mother, there are absolutely indisputable ways to prove that (the release of her medical records) that don't impugn anyone else. There's no reason to "prove" that Bristol "couldn't be" Trig's mother.

And if Palin is Trig's mother and can prove it, WHY OUT HER DAUGHTER? Why subject her 17-year-old daughter to public humilation if it wasn't absolutely necessary?
The answer? Because it was. There are no medical records that can prove that Sarah Palin is Trig's biological mother, because she isn't.

Mark my words, one of three things is going to happen post-convention, and none of them are good for the McCain campaign:1. Palin will drop out of the race without acknowleding maternity of Trig and cite the "pressures of preserving her family's privacy and integrity during a tryint time" as reasons.

2. Palin will admit to the subterfuge and drop out of the race citing protection of her daughter as her motive, and then promptly agreed to an exclusive sit-down with Barbara Walters to give the "Palin side of the story."

3. Palin will continue to lie, until demands for irrefutable proof of her maternity overwhelm the campaign. She'll either produce, or she'll opt for No. 1, or 2.

Okay, once again because I'm not sure how clearly I've made the point: When faced with the politital obligation to verify one's own maternity of a child, why would anyone incorporate the medically and factually irrelevant fact of their under-aged daughter's unwed pregnancy as proof if they had ANYTHING ELSE to offer?

If Sarah Palin DIDN'T HAVE to make her daughter the object of scrutiny to prove she hadn't lied, why in God's name would she do so?

And that, as they say, is the the proverbial Fat Lady singing.

Now don't get me wrong....I don't like the Republicans....But Gotdamn!

Phil · 09-02-2008, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by amacontent

Another nobody with a waste of a piehole.

Looks like Hillbilly Bob and his sidekick are back

i guess you are that "somebody" eh?
pillsbury boy, please tell me how you achive such high rank on them internets?

Young · 09-02-2008, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by nation-x

Listen... I am a DEMOCRAT and you lost me as soon as I read this: According to the Daily Kos...

You're probably a registered Democratic voter, and lean left...but that's where it probably ends. The Daily Kos is for active Dems. I bet you don't recognize 90% of the issues, or people on the front page diary entries.

There's a ton of useful and accurate information on the Daily Kos. You just have to know where to look and care enough to do so.

bringer · 09-02-2008, 03:41 PM

answers you dont like are "LIES"? retard. why do democrats attack republicans for doing what they themselves support openly? because republicans are hypocrites? and democrats arent? huh?

Brujah · 09-02-2008, 03:44 PM

To the complainers, simple solution. Stop clicking into the threads and reading them. Stop replying to them and bumping them. Duh. Idiots.

Peaches · 09-02-2008, 03:45 PM

I don't care what freaking office I was running for, I wouldn't release my medical records AT ANY TIME. Geeze. What next - DNA tests for everyone?

This is why we can't get good candidates. There are a lot of people in this country who would make EXCELLENT presidents and vice presidents but they have a skeleton or 10 in their closets and the press just goes nuts on them. It's funny that FDR was in a wheelchair for quite some time before most in the US knew it because the press agreed to "hide" it. You'd NEVER see that now.

Pity.

jimmy-3-way · 09-02-2008, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by simonsyinister

Sarah Palin is Lying--Again

Okay, let's break this down:
1. Upon being accused by the Daily Kos of NOT being the mother of 4-month-old Trig, and accused of covering for her then 16-year-old daughter by claiming the child as her own, VP candidate Sarah Palin responds NOT by releasing run-of-the-mill medical records which would name the obstetrician...

Bottom line - chances of an 18 year old having a Down's Syndrome baby are less than .1% while chances of a 44 year old mother having a Down's Syndrome baby are over 2%.

I think she's as bad a pick as anyone but this conspiracy is idiotic.

Brujah · 09-02-2008, 03:51 PM

Peaches, I think the politicians are as much to blame. They all engage in smear campaigns and encourage it rather than focus on their issues. Then groups like SWIFT, PUMA, etc..

Peaches · 09-02-2008, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

Peaches, I think the politicians are as much to blame. They all engage in smear campaigns and encourage it rather than focus on their issues. Then groups like SWIFT, PUMA, etc..

True. And these days, once you've hit presidential candidate status you've sold your soul several times over.

I'm sitting this one out and focusing on local elections.

uno · 09-02-2008, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen

You idiots just can't get enough of all the trivial bullshit can you?

You should have been watching Jesse Ventura's speech at Ron Paul's rally just now instead, he fucking laid it down.

But you guys don't care about Liberty and this Republic, you only care about shady Democrats and Republicans.

Carry on with your irrelevant distractions...

Where is that being aired?

StickyGreen · 09-02-2008, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by uno

Where is that being aired?

You missed Ventura, but it was streaming live here:

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/

Penthouse Tony · 09-02-2008, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmy-3-way

Bottom line - chances of an 18 year old having a Down's Syndrome baby are less than .1% while chances of a 44 year old mother having a Down's Syndrome baby are over 2%.

I think she's as bad a pick as anyone but this conspiracy is idiotic.

The 44 year old should have known better and used protection.

brassmonkey · 09-02-2008, 04:25 PM

OBAMA '08

if she lies now then she'll fit in well in the white house that if they had a chance

sperbonzo · 09-02-2008, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Peaches

I don't care what freaking office I was running for, I wouldn't release my medical records AT ANY TIME. Geeze. What next - DNA tests for everyone?

This is why we can't get good candidates. There are a lot of people in this country who would make EXCELLENT presidents and vice presidents but they have a skeleton or 10 in their closets and the press just goes nuts on them. It's funny that FDR was in a wheelchair for quite some time before most in the US knew it because the press agreed to "hide" it. You'd NEVER see that now.

Pity.

Great post peaches!

.

Penthouse Tony · 09-02-2008, 05:24 PM

Serious question here. When did she lie the first time? And how does not turning over private medical records equal lying a second time?

L-Pink · 09-02-2008, 05:31 PM

Hope i'm never outed as a "fornicator," ........ hahaha

RKLover · 09-02-2008, 05:43 PM

personally, i would never turn over my medical records to satisfy someone elses curiosity
politics or no politics, i would tell anyone who wants to see those to screw themselves
even a rat bastard politician deserves that much privacy

pocketkangaroo · 09-02-2008, 06:18 PM

People like symonsinister don't get it. They don't understand that acting like a bafoon and making outlandish claims is why Democrats lose elections. Be smart about your politics, running around the world screaming about retarded conspiracy theories makes you look like a nutcase and makes regular folks not want to vote on the same side as the nutcase.

People like you are the reason Democrats lose elections despite having better ideas at times.

fatfoo · 09-02-2008, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BVF

Now don't get me wrong....I don't like the Republicans....But Gotdamn!

Same thoughts here

notoldschool · 09-02-2008, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by amacontent

So Typical, Bad Dog one of the nicest guys in the biz.

Somehow I doubt that. Nice people dont butt into others thoughts with a quick few senseless words trying to act smart. All his posts are silly little questions if you really look at it. Like Mccain, time has passed him by and it makes him angry.

SoloGirlsContent · 09-02-2008, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmy-3-way

Bottom line - chances of an 18 year old having a Down's Syndrome baby are less than .1% while chances of a 44 year old mother having a Down's Syndrome baby are over 2%.

I think she's as bad a pick as anyone but this conspiracy is idiotic.

add OXY Cotton and then you have it

tony286 · 09-02-2008, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

People like symonsinister don't get it. They don't understand that acting like a bafoon and making outlandish claims is why Democrats lose elections. Be smart about your politics, running around the world screaming about retarded conspiracy theories makes you look like a nutcase and makes regular folks not want to vote on the same side as the nutcase.

People like you are the reason Democrats lose elections despite having better ideas at times.

Your kidding right, the republicans have been doing this forever. They did it to John McCain he had a black daughter out of wedlock, he was crazy from being a pow. The number they did on john kerry. If it was the other way around that's all they would be talking about 40 hours a week. As far as kids, how about the little boy and his family. They attacked them,especially that bitch Michelle Malkin after his family spoke about how important the s chip program was to their family.
The reason democrats lose is because we don't strike back as hard. Im on liberal boards they are all like this shouldn't be spoken about. We bring flowers to a knife fight.

pocketkangaroo · 09-02-2008, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Your kidding right, the republicans have been doing this forever. They did it to John McCain he had a black daughter out of wedlock, he was crazy from being a pow. The number they did on john kerry. If it was the other way around that's all they would be talking about 40 hours a week. As far as kids, how about the little boy and his family. They attacked them,especially that bitch Michelle Malkin after his family spoke about how important the s chip program was to their family.
The reason democrats lose is because we don't strike back as hard. Im on liberal boards they are all like this shouldn't be spoken about. We bring flowers to a knife fight.

They do it smarter than Democrats do. That's why it works. The John McCain black daughter was done under the radar via push-polling. The media took the rest of it. They didn't have morons run around screaming it out at the top of their lungs.

So yes, Republicans play the same games and are often much worse. But the way they do it is infinitely better than the way Democrats do. What do you think works better: An anonymous phone call poll asking people what they think about Palin's underage daughter being pregnant, or some half-retarded wonk running around message boards posting every odd rumor he sees on the web.

Nothing wrong with attacking, just do it smart.

tony286 · 09-02-2008, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

They do it smarter than Democrats do. That's why it works. The John McCain black daughter was done under the radar via push-polling. The media took the rest of it. They didn't have morons run around screaming it out at the top of their lungs.

So yes, Republicans play the same games and are often much worse. But the way they do it is infinitely better than the way Democrats do. What do you think works better: An anonymous phone call poll asking people what they think about Palin's underage daughter being pregnant, or some half-retarded wonk running around message boards posting every odd rumor he sees on the web.

Nothing wrong with attacking, just do it smart.

Do you really think the DNC is controlling what someone posts on a forum?

spacedog · 09-02-2008, 08:52 PM

Methinks Simon want's to have sex with Obama

baddog · 09-02-2008, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Do you really think the DNC is controlling what someone posts on a forum?

oh man . . .

tony286 · 09-02-2008, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by pornopete

why would it be simplier to release personal documentation then to point out the obvious fact that her daughter is pregnant? Are you retarded? Is that why you post here?

Because if you give a fuck about your daughter, you wouldn't throw her to the wolves for your own gain.

09-02-2008, 02:09 PM	#1
SoloGirlsContent So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Mother fuckin Earth Posts: 5,013	McCAIN'S VP SARAH PALIN LIES AGAIN Sarah Palin is Lying--Again http://open.salon.com/content.php?cid=14590 Okay, let's break this down: 1. Upon being accused by the Daily Kos of NOT being the mother of 4-month-old Trig, and accused of covering for her then 16-year-old daughter by claiming the child as her own, VP candidate Sarah Palin responds NOT by releasing run-of-the-mill medical records which would name the obstetrician, the pediatrician, the on-call anesthesiologist, the nurses--in short, records that would name the dozen or so people who would have witnessed and could attest to the truthfulness of Palin's assertion that she did, in fact, give birth to Palin on April whatever, and St. Whatever Hospital in Wherever, Alaska. Nope. To prove she is Trig's mother, she makes a public statement that, in effect, only serves to make it "impossible" that her daughter Bristol is Trig's mother, by asserting that Bristol is "five months' pregnant," making it "physically impossible" that Bristol is Trig's mother. Think this through: Let's assume Palin is telling the truth: She's Trig's mother, and Bristol is five months' along. If Palin had wanted to end all speculation about her maternity, the logical, simple, and irrefutable thing to have done would have been to release her own medical records, which would have provided virtually indisputable proof of the fact that she--and not Bristol--was the mother of that child. And in releasing these records, she could easily have spared her daughter the embarrasment of being outed on an international scale as a "fornicator," and a teen mother. In other words, Bristol's current pregnancy is entirely irrelevant to Palin's authenticity as Trig's mother. So if she's telling the truth and can prove it, why bring Bristol into it at all? Why throw your pregnant, teenaged daughter under the bus and international scrutiny if you don't have to? If there's another, simple, honest way to end the potentially damaging speculation? The simple anser is, there is no good reason. Here's the timeline--let's see if it makes sense to anyone else. According to the Daily Kos, Bristol left school under doctor's orders because she was suffering from mono, at a time that would have coincided with the end of her first trimester, were she in fact Trig's mother. She stays out of school for eight months, which would make sense assuming a second and third trimester and a month or so to recover her pre-pregnancy figure. Bristol is photographed in an official family portrait taken in approximately November of 2007 sporting a noticable "baby bump." She then disappears from public view. In March 2008, Palin pubicly "acknowledges" her pregnancy. All reports quote staffers and press who have been in contact with Palin over the past several months as expressing "shock" that she didn't "look pregnant at all." Yesterday, the Daily Kos pulls together several videos and photographs which seem to suggest that Palin wasn't "showing" in any recognizable way, despite this being her purported fifth child. In April, ostensibly eight months' pregnant, Palin flies to Houston to deliver a key-note speech at a Republican convention. Sometime prior to her speech, she claims her "water broke," meaning her amniotic sac had ruptured, which is--as any woman who has gone through labor at least once knows--an indication that delivery is imminent. Rather than go to the hospital to undergo what ANY OBSTETRICIAN IN AMERICA would describe as a "high-risk" birth, she stays and gives her key-note address. No one in the audience discerns any distress on her part, despite her assertion that at this point, she was in early labor. (Note: I've had two kids. I've been in early labor. I could not have held a coherent phone converstion much less delivered a keynote address, in labor. But then again, I'm not Sarah Palin.) But I digress: She ends her speech and travels immediately--NOT to the nearest state-0f-the-art Houston hospital where her Down syndrome baby could be delivered safely, but...to the airport. Where she boards a commercial flight with a duration of some 9.5 hours, back to Alaska. Complete with a layover in Seattle. NONE of the attendants on that fligh recall Palin as being in any distress--or even physical discomfort. In fact, none of them remember remarking Palin's supposed pregnancy at all. But maybe they were just a particularly unobservant crew, even thought the governor of the flight's destination state was on board. I'm sure they barely noticed her at all--a 44-year-old governor, 35 weeks' pregnant, in preterm labor, with a security detail and her husband and assistant and press aide in tow. They'd be easy to miss, don't you think? Some 2o hours after her water broke in Houston (in first mothers, you start to get worried at 12 hours. In a high-risk pregancy, you worry immediately. In a fith pregnancy that's considered high risk, you don't even travel after month 7), Palin and her entourage arrive in Alaska and deplane. They then get into a car and drive past not one but TWO state-of-the-art medical facilities that could have handled a high-rist delivery of an at-risk infant with flying colors. Instead, Sarah Palin opts to push on for an additional TWO FULL HOURS so that she can "deliver her son Trig" in a podunk hospital in rural Alaska, "attended" by her friend and political appointee Cathy Baldwin-Johnson. There, she delivers Trig. Three days later, Pailin returns to work and announces that Trig has Down syndrome. She claims that she and her husband knew of the child's condition prior to his birth and chose not to terminate the pregnancy in keeping with their "prolife beliefs." And there's where it gets even fishier: If Palin in fact did know that her child had Down syndrom and that the delivery would have been considered "high risk" for any woman because of the medical complications that arise for Down syndrome infants, ON TOP of the fact that this was her supposed "fifth" delivery, why would any responsible mother chose to travel for 22 hours in active labor rather than check into a world-class medical facility in Houston? Why wouldn't any of the hundreds of people she would have encountered that day remember a woman in recognizable labor? And finally, why, in an attempt to dispel once and for all the rumors that she was not in fact Trig's mother, would she not release innocuous and accurate medical records attesting to that indisputable fact and instead impugn her own 17-year-old daughter? IF Sarah Palin is Trig's mother, Bristol's "subsequent" pregnancy is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT to that fact. Totally. Brig's maternity is a matter of medical record, which is easily released and utterly indisputable. But the only defence Palin's camp can put up is not proof of her own maternity but the supposed "impossibility" of Bristol's maternity of Trig. Which is an extremely roundabout way to prove the point, and simultaneously throws her teenaged daughter under the bus by making her pre-marital teen pregnancy an international news story. One more time, PALIN outs her daughter as an unwed teen mother IN DEFENSE of her own maternity of Trig. If she were Trig's mother, there are absolutely indisputable ways to prove that (the release of her medical records) that don't impugn anyone else. There's no reason to "prove" that Bristol "couldn't be" Trig's mother. And if Palin is Trig's mother and can prove it, WHY OUT HER DAUGHTER? Why subject her 17-year-old daughter to public humilation if it wasn't absolutely necessary? The answer? Because it was. There are no medical records that can prove that Sarah Palin is Trig's biological mother, because she isn't. Mark my words, one of three things is going to happen post-convention, and none of them are good for the McCain campaign:1. Palin will drop out of the race without acknowleding maternity of Trig and cite the "pressures of preserving her family's privacy and integrity during a tryint time" as reasons. 2. Palin will admit to the subterfuge and drop out of the race citing protection of her daughter as her motive, and then promptly agreed to an exclusive sit-down with Barbara Walters to give the "Palin side of the story." 3. Palin will continue to lie, until demands for irrefutable proof of her maternity overwhelm the campaign. She'll either produce, or she'll opt for No. 1, or 2. Okay, once again because I'm not sure how clearly I've made the point: When faced with the politital obligation to verify one's own maternity of a child, why would anyone incorporate the medically and factually irrelevant fact of their under-aged daughter's unwed pregnancy as proof if they had ANYTHING ELSE to offer? If Sarah Palin DIDN'T HAVE to make her daughter the object of scrutiny to prove she hadn't lied, why in God's name would she do so? And that, as they say, is the the proverbial Fat Lady singing.

09-02-2008, 02:13 PM	#2
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09-02-2008, 02:25 PM	#5
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09-02-2008, 02:27 PM	#7
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09-02-2008, 03:00 PM	#19
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09-02-2008, 02:20 PM	#4
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	Simon, does it hurt when you try to think?

09-02-2008, 02:27 PM	#6
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09-02-2008, 02:29 PM	#8
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09-02-2008, 02:29 PM	#9
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09-02-2008, 02:30 PM	#11
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09-02-2008, 02:55 PM	#17
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09-02-2008, 03:41 PM	#27
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09-02-2008, 03:44 PM	#28
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09-02-2008, 03:45 PM	#29
Peaches Old broad Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Away Posts: 13,933	I don't care what freaking office I was running for, I wouldn't release my medical records AT ANY TIME. Geeze. What next - DNA tests for everyone? This is why we can't get good candidates. There are a lot of people in this country who would make EXCELLENT presidents and vice presidents but they have a skeleton or 10 in their closets and the press just goes nuts on them. It's funny that FDR was in a wheelchair for quite some time before most in the US knew it because the press agreed to "hide" it. You'd NEVER see that now. Pity.

09-02-2008, 03:51 PM	#31
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09-02-2008, 04:25 PM	#36
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09-02-2008, 05:24 PM	#38
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09-02-2008, 05:31 PM	#39
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09-02-2008, 05:43 PM	#40
RKLover A B User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 256	personally, i would never turn over my medical records to satisfy someone elses curiosity politics or no politics, i would tell anyone who wants to see those to screw themselves even a rat bastard politician deserves that much privacy

09-02-2008, 06:18 PM	#41
pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	People like symonsinister don't get it. They don't understand that acting like a bafoon and making outlandish claims is why Democrats lose elections. Be smart about your politics, running around the world screaming about retarded conspiracy theories makes you look like a nutcase and makes regular folks not want to vote on the same side as the nutcase. People like you are the reason Democrats lose elections despite having better ideas at times.

09-02-2008, 08:52 PM	#48
spacedog Yes that IS me. Bitch. Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 14,149	Methinks Simon want's to have sex with Obama Last edited by spacedog; 09-02-2008 at 08:53 PM..