Flash VP6 vs H.264 - GoFuckYourself.com

brandonstills · 09-25-2008, 08:56 PM

What is the quality difference between VP6 and H.264? Which has better quality, file sizes being the same? What do you use to encode FLV's with H.264 or are they just MOV's?

cryptie · 09-25-2008, 10:28 PM

H.264 pretty much replaced vp6, I say pretty much because development on vp6 still continues with vp6HD.

I'd go with H264

technically, you CAN encode a .mov with H.264, rename it and load it in a flash player, but it's not the PROPER way to do it.

I encode them with FFMPEG server side.

I'm still playing with flags though.

cryptie · 09-25-2008, 10:38 PM

ffmpeg -y -i "$inputfile" -threads "$threads" -pass 1 -an -vcodec libx264 -b "bitrate"000 -r "framerate" -s "resolution" -bf 3 -qcomp 0.7 -g "keyint" -keyint_min "keyintmin" -refs 5 -loop 1 -flags +4mv -cmp 256 -coder 0 -me_range 16 -sc_threshold 40 -i_qfactor 0.71 -level 30 -qmin 10 -qmax 51 -qdiff 4 -padcolor 000000 -padtop "padtop" -padbottom "padbottom" -padleft "padleft" -padright "padright" -passlogfile "logfile" "tmpfile

react · 09-26-2008, 07:03 AM

Decoding H.264 is still pretty intensive on the client side. I'd stick with VP6 for a bit, perhaps with H.264 as an option.

cryptie · 09-26-2008, 10:18 AM

I read that after i posted my last post in this thread. to tell you the truth, i never really looked at VP^ too much, I'm a AVC fanboy :p

stickyfingerz · 09-26-2008, 10:22 AM

h.264 is beautiful and we use a encrypted streaming only model for our HD solo girl sites. Took a while to get things nailed down, but its pretty much awesome for us now.

brandonstills · 09-27-2008, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cryptie

H.264 pretty much replaced vp6, I say pretty much because development on vp6 still continues with vp6HD.

I'd go with H264

technically, you CAN encode a .mov with H.264, rename it and load it in a flash player, but it's not the PROPER way to do it.

I encode them with FFMPEG server side.

I'm still playing with flags though.

So ffmpeg encodes to H.264 FLV's? or is it another format?

stickyfingerz · 09-27-2008, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brandonstills

So ffmpeg encodes to H.264 FLV's? or is it another format?

Have to use .mp4 for h264 codec.

k0nr4d · 09-28-2008, 12:14 AM

I was JUST going to ask you for that command line you are using with x264, then saw you posted right under. Thanks alot!

cryptie · 09-29-2008, 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brandonstills

So ffmpeg encodes to H.264 FLV's? or is it another format?

FFmpeg will encode H264 compatible files yes, but like sticky said, they have to be renamed, unless yu added the rename flag in the command line.

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Originally Posted by k0nr4d

I was JUST going to ask you for that command line you are using with x264, then saw you posted right under. Thanks alot!

no problem, please note, however, that like i said in my post prior to that, that i am not a expert, and just fooling around. My tech support on ffmpeg will be close to nil, thanks for your understanding, and please let me know if you get any use out of it!

Lucky Bastard · 09-29-2008, 08:22 AM

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09-25-2008, 08:56 PM	#1
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09-25-2008, 10:28 PM	#2
cryptie Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Montreal Posts: 114	H.264 pretty much replaced vp6, I say pretty much because development on vp6 still continues with vp6HD. I'd go with H264 technically, you CAN encode a .mov with H.264, rename it and load it in a flash player, but it's not the PROPER way to do it. I encode them with FFMPEG server side. I'm still playing with flags though. __________________ Signature coming soon! Just as soon as my first site goes live! ETA this weekend

09-25-2008, 10:38 PM	#3
cryptie Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Montreal Posts: 114	ffmpeg -y -i "$inputfile" -threads "$threads" -pass 1 -an -vcodec libx264 -b "bitrate"000 -r "framerate" -s "resolution" -bf 3 -qcomp 0.7 -g "keyint" -keyint_min "keyintmin" -refs 5 -loop 1 -flags +4mv -cmp 256 -coder 0 -me_range 16 -sc_threshold 40 -i_qfactor 0.71 -level 30 -qmin 10 -qmax 51 -qdiff 4 -padcolor 000000 -padtop "padtop" -padbottom "padbottom" -padleft "padleft" -padright "padright" -passlogfile "logfile" "tmpfile __________________ Signature coming soon! Just as soon as my first site goes live! ETA this weekend

09-26-2008, 07:03 AM	#4
react Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NZ Posts: 673	Decoding H.264 is still pretty intensive on the client side. I'd stick with VP6 for a bit, perhaps with H.264 as an option. __________________ -- react

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cryptie Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Montreal Posts: 114	I read that after i posted my last post in this thread. to tell you the truth, i never really looked at VP^ too much, I'm a AVC fanboy :p __________________ Signature coming soon! Just as soon as my first site goes live! ETA this weekend

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