RKLover

What a shock I had this week, a friend of mine told me to look at a clip on RedTube. It was a 24 minute video of live chat, strip, masturbation and fingering for a model that usually costs $3.74 per minute to take private.

When I checked with Streammate about the origin of the video, they replied

"Thanks for your message. The video in question is being used as a promotion for an authorized reseller of streamate.com."

Of course, i replied...

I can only say I'm surprised. If you mean to tell me that you allow 24 minutes of stripping, nude masturbation and fingering to be copied from yours, or any other webcam site?

That leads to the question - "How the heck is an Affiliate supposed to sell your Pay Per Minute program if you allow it to be copied and displayed for free?"

I went through the site and found quite a few more. No wonder my sales for Streammate are sucking wind. "Why pay for the cow if you can get the milk for free."

Obviously, theres no need for me to market that program any longer.

Oracle Porn

assfucking with no lube is what this industry and it's people are best at.

the bigger the company the more no lube assfucking they are accomplishing successfully.

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Jarmusch

There's a big difference between watching a recorded show and actually having a pvt show with the girl where she'll do what you ask.

pocketkangaroo

Yeah, my Streamate sales have been down a bit lately too.

RKLover

I stand corrected

the clips were up when i first posted

they are now down

good thing i had not uploaded my updated sites

BFT3K

What do you think guys ask the girls to do?...

Take your top off - take your clothes off - bend over for me - finger yourself - pull your nipples - suck your dildo, blah blah blah...

Live webcams are just a waste of money, and the shows are always the same, whether you are paying for them by the minute, or watching a taped of version of what is always the same anyway.

Watch a video on your computer and jerk off, or if you want a real girl, then get a girlfriend or hire a whore.

Webcam shows are pathetic, and a complete waste of time and money!

More people should be aware of this fact, so the ASSHOLE TRUBE SITE OWNERS can't get clickthrough revenue for these type of overpriced and rediculous scams.

Webcams.... what a fucking joke!

RKLover

what really got me going on this, was not just the financial aspect

what about the performers? webcam sex for sale is illegal in Russia and the Ukraine. in the Ukraine it is prosecuted as prostitution

so the performers will block their own country, to keep from being seen by family, friends or the police. but the sites have the models sign releases (that most of them cannot read) agreeing to release promotional materials

so when the sites release this kind of explicit material to a site that does not block any traffic - imho - that's just endangering the performers

especially if some of the girls in question have already been arrested before, and are facing jail the nest time

think i'm kidding? i'm not
youtube.com/watch?v=Pxs3OG9Skyk

Jarmusch

Ok, keep thinking like that.

tony286

How people promote these people its beyond me.

BFT3K

Have we just uncovered the secret to taking down tube sites?

Hey guys, you heard it here first - start uploading lamo webcam shows to all tube sites ASAP!

Apparently this will cause all sorts of trouble, and more importantly, once surfers see just how boring and predictable a webcam show really is, they will be WAY less likely to bother clicking the webcam links that most tube sites rely on for revenue.

Awesome idea! Any way to fuck with tube revenue is a win for the people who actually have to pay for the scenes that are so often stolen by these TUBE SITE ASSWIPES!

RKLover

i initially assumed the same thing. however, there was no theft or piracy involved by this site.

streammate affirmed that the videos in question were licensed by them.

frankly - i believe he has a license for everything he posts. that's how he has managed to stay in business 7 years.

i just appreciate that its gone

beemk

yeah, and watching a taped sports game is the same as watching it live on tv too.

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d-null

using that logic, I guess you'd think then it would also be prudent to reply to any post on every mainstream forum or blog that mentions a tube site that "you made a big mistake and clicked on or signed up for 'xxxxxx' webcam or 'xxxxxxxxxxx' dating and it was a big ripoff and warn everyone reading that they should never waste their money"

Klen

Looks like they belived those tube owner people who said"hey it's free advertising for you,it doesnt matter why is most of your content on site"

Blazed

Full length shows on redtube is not gonna affect your sales, people pay because the fact they are speaking with a live girl and she is doing what shes told. I would be more worried about free cam sites like http://www.cam4.com/ which actually do give away free live session.

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RKLover

lol
why do i feel like i've been so spammed

NickB.

hahahaha exactly

Antonio

yup with all 3 girls on it, one fo them actually nake and 7000 or so guys, they should've used
gr8sausagefest.com instead of cam4.com

Tippy

If this is true the same can be said for most pay site videos...

Girl takes her clothes off
Girl blows the guy
Guy eats some pussy
Guy fucks the girl
Guy pulls out and cums on girls face

and the most boring part is most of this takes place in the bedroom or on a fucking couch, boring...

Hats off to those pay sites that got out of the fucking bedroom and off the fucking couch scenes.

I am married and I find it more exciting to talk to a girl live on webcam vs watching a porn clip, at least you can get somewhat involved.

Mike

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Quagmire

You've got a link to peckerpass which is all niche specific sites and you're actually stupid enough to make a comment like that about web cams?

Are you sure you understand the concept of niche marketing?

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I love redtube

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paprika

so they uploaded any video from your private shows ? i guess so ....that's why you probably are so afraid

About the "endangering the performers" read the model release you sign when you become a performer...... they need your consent to do whatever they want with the recordings, including upload on tubesites

paprika

# Content
Performer understands that he/she will upload content/images to Streamates' system for re-broadcast. All content/images uploaded to the system shall become the exclusive property of Streamates, and Streamates will have the sole discretion to use all such content/image in any way it deems necessary in all sales and marketing efforts, during the Term of this Agreement and upon termination.

Tempest

Great.. And I asked them awhile ago to be able to cut up those videos into smaller clips and they "couldn't" get me anything.. but they can give the full length shit away now...

nation-x

Dating sites are no better... today I got hit up by Marina from SexSearch and she offered me a banner spot on a tube site that had 30 minute movies on it.

Manowar

The tube sites must be sending killer traffic to get away with that kind of promotion

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mynameisjim

I actually think longer web cam clips may help sales. A lot of people I know don't really have any knowledge of them. A real clip will give them an idea of what goes on.

The whole allure of webcams is the girl is live and you are interacting with a real woman in real time. If people want recorded videos, we all know there are plenty of those available for free.

But it's quite clear it's the LIVE and interactive feature that is the key to webcams. Surely people don't watch them for the poor picture quality and horrid frame rate.

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RKLover

i'll have to say, i don't believe you thought this all the way through parika.

do you think an 18 or 19 year old russian or ukranian girl can actually read the shit? or that the studio owner explains what it says?

do you think maybe they use pretty performers and an admin/cam operator who actually does all the typing?

btw - sometimes you're chatting with a guy when u think it's a sexy bitch. for example - like me. i'm 6'0, 211lb. lol

hmmmmmm. hope i'm not ruining the webcam fantasy for you

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Stellar

There is one 20 minute one on PornHub, which is absolutely insane consider the other day I happen to jokingly mention "just wait until they start uploading pre-recorded live cams" thinking the option would never cross their mind.

and Yes the video on PornHub led to Cam4Free.com (STREAMATE).

Fucking hell.

www.getshot.com (coming soon)

paprika

models/performers sign the agreement, the account is not approved untill they do that, whether or not they read the documents doesnt matter.They give all the rights to the site to use the content.

i went to your free chat room on various sites, i know you for years, also know you use/used a typeist ( image delay was a good excuse )
This shit ruin a bit the webcam fantasy of most users show how fake adult video chat is .It's video chat not strip on demand

Back on topic..... i am on your side, most of the models would not apreciate some free videos spread around on some free sites.But the truth is that only half of them dont aprove this marketing methods becouse of "privacy" reasons, the other half dont like it becouse they dont get a cut from those videos
"Why the fuck should someone spend money on a webcam girl when they see a full show for free?" as a model you will not know the answer but as a webmaster i think you know it

Iron Fist

As someone who doesn't appreciate sports or the value they provide, it really is the same. I think porn should adopt a similar model as mainstream entertainment - use the pictures and video to lure people in at a lower cost but the value comes from getting to meet the performer in person and watching it LIVE, or some other kind of LIVE action. Now I promote solo girls mostly, so this could be like a world tour, with the girl visiting every state and having a session snapped where people could drop in and watch the action.

Wanna talk about "value add" and making the subscription model back to the glory days - then this kind of jump is what is needed.

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pornjudge

Ive noticed my sales also have been declining in the last 1 month, that sucks. I guess I have to promote other cam sites now.

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Jim_Gunn

Most impractical suggestion ever. I hope you are joking. Yeah let's get a bus and drive around the country staging live sex shows and turn a profit on that...

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minniesoporno

I am glad I am no longer a model on their site.

RKLover

i double guarantee you. a release signed under those conditions will not hold up in ANY modern court of law. it's been that way in the USA for over 50 years, and in europe - most nations are more advanced

btw - i'm not Amy or her cg. yes - she uses a gal. this is just a cute pic she sent me. i think she was trying to invite me home for a good time as a thank you for doing her site to custom specs

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LatinCams

As much as I know stream... does not provide any type of Block Country method.

And most of the Main Cam sites even if they provide this option ... they would never block PayMembers ... this is basicly a tool only working for "guests" of the blocked countries.

It might NOT be fair for models (Note: we R not included on that list) but Models must also be aware, that every time you publish any content on the Web, theres a chance it would land somewhere else and theres no way to control that.

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hmm thanx for the info

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