Setting The Drama XXXJay Record Straight - Page 4 - GoFuckYourself.com

10-25-2008, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by CAMOKAT

Wow you just summed up perfectly what most people think when they see your postings. Isn't there some major drama thread you should be posting in right now?

topnotch, standup guy · 10-25-2008, 10:24 PM

Here's a quick yes or no question for you.

There are some people here who insist that you, in fact, greased up your butt cheeks and went squealing to the mods to ban Franck's most recent nick.

Meanwhile, there are others who would have us believe that you do indeed have a pair of balls and that you would, therefore, never do any such thing.

Now, for he record, yes or no, which one is it??

DWB · 10-25-2008, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy

Here's a quick yes or no question for you.

There are some people here who insist that you, in fact, greased up your butt cheeks and went squealing to the mods to ban Franck's most recent nick.

Meanwhile, there are others who would have us believe that you do indeed have a pair of balls and that you would, therefore, never do any such thing.

Now, for he record, yes or no, which one is it??

Who cares either way? If some asshat was giving me a hard time non-stop and I had the ability to have him canned, I'd do the same thing. It's called business. If OC Cash is an advertiser here and someone is attacking them, the board is going to protect its advertisers. End of story.

GFY is a business. It earns money by selling ad space. If they have to ban some shits here or there to protect those advertisers, so be it.

topnotch, standup guy · 10-25-2008, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

Who cares either way? If some asshat was giving me a hard time non-stop and I had the ability to have him canned, I'd do the same thing. It's called business. If OC Cash is an advertiser here and someone is attacking them, the board is going to protect its advertisers. End of story.

GFY is a business. It earns money by selling ad space. If they have to ban some shits here or there to protect those advertisers, so be it.

I suppose it all depends on what sort of image you want to present.

Then again, we don't know that the guy wussed out... maybe he didn't.

What say he?

Jens Van Assterdam · 10-25-2008, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy

I suppose it all depends on what sort of image you want to present.

Then again, we don't know that the guy wussed out... maybe he didn't.

What say he?

Franck,

your english has been a way better before

GUNNER · 10-26-2008, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

The tube argument is an excuse, and it's bullshit. Piracy has been around far before tubes, and the real piracy ring, is still larger than tubes.

Tubes provide something surfers didn't have before, saying you need to adapt isn't about dealing with tube piracy. It's about learning....

Have you not noticed these programs pushing hard xsales, lots of upsells, really don't offer one-on-one member love, most have crap support.
These are the programs trying everything right now before they finally shit out.

Like many others, I also read your blog and agree with a lot of what you have to say. It's very informative and I learn something every time I visit. Thank you.

No offense, I just wanted to respectfully disagree with this one point. I was completely with you on this post up until the tubes and piracy comment. Tube traffic/sites are most definitely a problem and although their certainly not the only factor contributing to a decline in sales, I do think they are a valid reason - not just an excuse.

Yes, it's true piracy has been around far before tubes, and it was rampant in many different forms. However, what tubes have done, in my opinion, is remove ALL of the technical barriers from accessing pirated content, and made the delivery method equally or even more attractive than conventional paysites.

Before tubes:
Downloading and installing a file-sharing program or a newsgroup reader, and then spend hours learning how to operate said programs or system. Risk getting infected, bogus, or low-quality files. Risk being targeted by some piracy sting operation or have to worry about taking your PC, laptop in for repairs because you have illegal software installed. Very difficult to organize or access the exact type of files you're looking for because so much of the content is incorrectly named or intentionally mislalbeled.

After tubes:
Click play - watch high-quality porn for free - shoot yer load

GUNNER · 10-26-2008, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by GUNNER

although their certainly

they're certainly

Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE · 10-26-2008, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

Who cares either way? If some asshat was giving me a hard time non-stop and I had the ability to have him canned, I'd do the same thing. It's called business. If OC Cash is an advertiser here and someone is attacking them, the board is going to protect its advertisers. End of story.

GFY is a business. It earns money by selling ad space. If they have to ban some shits here or there to protect those advertisers, so be it.

Wrong, he did go crying to mod/admins to have Franck banned, he did the same to me, except i wasn't previously banned and on another nick so they wouldn't ban me... I hit Jay harder and stronger then Franck did, its just he is supposed to be banned, so they banned his other nick also.

tony286 · 10-26-2008, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GUNNER

Like many others, I also read your blog and agree with a lot of what you have to say. It's very informative and I learn something every time I visit. Thank you.

No offense, I just wanted to respectfully disagree with this one point. I was completely with you on this post up until the tubes and piracy comment. Tube traffic/sites are most definitely a problem and although their certainly not the only factor contributing to a decline in sales, I do think they are a valid reason - not just an excuse.

Yes, it's true piracy has been around far before tubes, and it was rampant in many different forms. However, what tubes have done, in my opinion, is remove ALL of the technical barriers from accessing pirated content, and made the delivery method equally or even more attractive than conventional paysites.

Before tubes:
Downloading and installing a file-sharing program or a newsgroup reader, and then spend hours learning how to operate said programs or system. Risk getting infected, bogus, or low-quality files. Risk being targeted by some piracy sting operation or have to worry about taking your PC, laptop in for repairs because you have illegal software installed. Very difficult to organize or access the exact type of files you're looking for because so much of the content is incorrectly named or intentionally mislalbeled.

After tubes:
Click play - watch high-quality porn for free - shoot yer load

Well said, my grandma can use a tube.

TheDoc · 10-26-2008, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GUNNER

Before tubes:
Downloading and installing a file-sharing program or a newsgroup reader, and then spend hours learning how to operate said programs or system. Risk getting infected, bogus, or low-quality files. Risk being targeted by some piracy sting operation or have to worry about taking your PC, laptop in for repairs because you have illegal software installed. Very difficult to organize or access the exact type of files you're looking for because so much of the content is incorrectly named or intentionally mislalbeled.

After tubes:
Click play - watch high-quality porn for free - shoot yer load

Thanks for reading and the support

The overall statistical drop we have today, is no worse than it was before tubes, meaning it is just about the same since 2257 came out. Only recently has it started to increase, and that is explainable by the eco since every industry in America is feeling it.

Online porn is NOT recession proof, simply because the Internet isn't recession proof. If a person can hardly afford net access, I wouldn't ever expect or think, they would pay for porn. Since that is a factor of reality we can't ignore.... I choose to take the branding. Being so, I expect MILLIONS of views for a trickle of sales.

Other very common factors for major drops in sales, rebills, money, new members - ect.. is VISA/MC re-issuing "1 hundred million+" North America cards the first few months of this year. Globally each year, this is massive. They have re-issued cards 4 times that I know of this year alone. Or that banks aren't allow high risk transactions to go through without voice auth... and hell, I could go on for days. Or if they cancel your card, and your balance is to high, they lower your balance until you pay off part of the card.

Let's not forget that 200+ of the largest programs in our Industry "ARE" screwing surfers offer. That's a major % of the sales EVERY day, being circle jerked for MONEY and not just for porn!

Piracy is big today, it was big yesterday, and it was as big then as it is today.

And again... not every paysite is dropping. Just because things slow down, which is logical, they haven't really noticed a 'problem' like most. And if they do, they know it isn't Tubes doing it.

Just a small list of what we had before Tubes.

Backdoors to everything.
Open and private forums by the 1000's.
Most of the first paysites was all stolen content.
Password sites that used to do zero minute hacks on request.
Password sites used to sell memberships to your pirated content.
IRC was once a monster, everyone had it, and it had everything.
EasyNews, or web-based news sites that were the first tube sites.
Crack, warez, serial number sites used to have major pirated porn on them.
File Sharing wasn't a technical jump, it was just software, that even kids did use.

That's basically ignoring the other known factors, normal newsgroups, basic one-on-one trading, entire torrent like warez/porn servers wide open for free access, ftp up/down exchange systems, and this list can go on too.

TheDoc · 10-26-2008, 01:02 PM

BTW, those mediums of piracy died as as new or better technology replaced them. The people moved to the next best thing.

And over and over, today that brings us to tubes. Like any piracy, if you show people they can pirate, they will. That doesn't mean people that pirate don't purchase memberships, music, or movies.

Because that is utter and total bullshit.

Yes, some people will never buy again, just like some will only ever buy porn. We have every person in the middle, people that have plenty money to buy and people that are broke, that buy.

For tubes having all that free porn, the magically produce sales. Most of the bigger tubes have employees too, so they must be making some money from all those free loading piracy loving no porn membership buying surfers..

xxxjay · 10-26-2008, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GUNNER

Yes, it's true piracy has been around far before tubes, and it was rampant in many different forms. However, what tubes have done, in my opinion, is remove ALL of the technical barriers from accessing pirated content, and made the delivery method equally or even more attractive than conventional paysites.

Before tubes:
Downloading and installing a file-sharing program or a newsgroup reader, and then spend hours learning how to operate said programs or system. Risk getting infected, bogus, or low-quality files. Risk being targeted by some piracy sting operation or have to worry about taking your PC, laptop in for repairs because you have illegal software installed. Very difficult to organize or access the exact type of files you're looking for because so much of the content is incorrectly named or intentionally mislalbeled.

After tubes:
Click play - watch high-quality porn for free - shoot yer load

I agree with this 100%.

Even worse, the tube thing makes money on your stolen content, where the newgroups was just a few geeks swapping porn.

TheDoc · 10-26-2008, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

I agree with this 100%.

Even worse, the tube thing makes money on your stolen content, where the newgroups was just a few geeks swapping porn.

Newsgroups are owned/controlled/cleaned by humans. I assume you don't think they did it just to collect porn?

It wasn't a few... I have never, even from day one, seen a Gallery Post push 100+ sales a day to a single site or total of hundreds of sales daily, with only two hours of work.

Now they suck..but still produce some sales, but they were once far from small.

xxxjay · 10-26-2008, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Newsgroups are owned/controlled/cleaned by humans. I assume you don't think they did it just to collect porn?

It wasn't a few... I have never, even from day one, seen a Gallery Post push 100+ sales a day to a single site or total of hundreds of sales daily, with only two hours of work.

Now they suck..but still produce some sales, but they were once far from small.

I'd say only about 5% of computer users are or ever have been newgroup savvy, plus they don't collect income from ad revenue.

I remember posting a waterwarked picture and being able to make sales back in the day. Good on your for taking advantage of that. Most folks ain't that bright.

Just Alex · 10-26-2008, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

I'd say only about 5% of computer users are or ever have been newgroup savvy, plus they don't collect income from ad revenue.

I remember posting a waterwarked picture and being able to make sales back in the day. Good on your for taking advantage of that. Most folks ain't that bright.

when I was a webmaster thats where I started - news groups. It was almost like SE today. Good description and pictures. bam.. you got traffic..

TheDoc · 10-26-2008, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

I'd say only about 5% of computer users are or ever have been newgroup savvy, plus they don't collect income from ad revenue.

I remember posting a waterwarked picture and being able to make sales back in the day. Good on your for taking advantage of that. Most folks ain't that bright.

Before the current Internet, was newsgroups

They made money in lots of ways. You could prepay for listings, you sometimes had to pay to access large servers/groups, the mods would upload/control what they wanted - and not allow the same sponsors they pushed.

If you wanted information, it wasn't like today, online, but it was on the newsgroups. All colleges, all classes, most companies, all techs, anyone actually looking for info, went to the newsgroups to find it. Every paper, document, porn, movie, picture, music, story, joke, game, everything was on the newsgroups.

Online dating, personal trading, selling items, ect.. didn't start with all these people that like to claim ownership, it started within the newsgroups and even in the BBS days.

Some of the first ISP's, actually most... the newsgroup setup was part of the default setup information for the ISP's. They often had newsgroups for support, setup details, and local meeting places.

Before mass download software hit the main Internet, it was written for newsgroups. The first mass spamming software I ever saw, used or have still heard of today, was written for newsgroups. Well before the first mass mailing software was written.

Just like everything else online, and tubes today, as the next best thing came out, people moved.

I can tell you how to beat tubes. You need to create a better way to get people porn, faster. Not cheaper - faster. XML/RSS feed your updates straight to peoples PC's, now they don't even have to surf the net to get daily/fresh updates, pushed/published, directly on a PC, zero second updates, don't even have to click a button.

MarcWomack · 10-26-2008, 04:36 PM

Right on Jay, as always much respect for a straight-up business man! Heh, stumbled across my old Free Jay T-shirt from the CJ days last week!

Robbie · 10-26-2008, 06:11 PM

Good post Jay. I've promoted OCCash since the day it opened. JC wrote me an email before the door was even open officially and I started promoting the program. Great content and good people.

NETbilling · 10-26-2008, 08:32 PM

Jay and JC and good people with a great program. If you are not promoting OCcash, you should be.

Happy Sunday

AdultB2B · 10-27-2008, 02:46 AM

Well said Jay. Too many people spend way too much time in this business worrying about what everyone else is doing instead of taking care of business. As usual, right on the money.

xxxjay · 10-27-2008, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by MadisonAvenue

Right on Jay, as always much respect for a straight-up business man! Heh, stumbled across my old Free Jay T-shirt from the CJ days last week!

LOL...I don't even have one of those! I need a new one.

xxxjay · 10-27-2008, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by NetBilling

Jay and JC and good people with a great program. If you are not promoting OCcash, you should be.

Happy Sunday

<<< What Mitch said!

10-25-2008, 10:24 PM	#152
topnotch, standup guy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Here and there. Posts: 1,566	Here's a quick *yes or no* question for you. There are some people here who insist that you, in fact, greased up your butt cheeks and went squealing to the mods to ban Franck's most recent nick. Meanwhile, there are others who would have us believe that you do indeed have a pair of balls and that you would, therefore, never do any such thing. Now, for he record, yes or no, which one is it?? Last edited by topnotch, standup guy; 10-25-2008 at 10:25 PM..

10-26-2008, 01:02 PM	#161
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	BTW, those mediums of piracy died as as new or better technology replaced them. The people moved to the next best thing. And over and over, today that brings us to tubes. Like any piracy, if you show people they can pirate, they will. That doesn't mean people that pirate don't purchase memberships, music, or movies. Because that is utter and total bullshit. Yes, some people will never buy again, just like some will only ever buy porn. We have every person in the middle, people that have plenty money to buy and people that are broke, that buy. For tubes having all that free porn, the magically produce sales. Most of the bigger tubes have employees too, so they must be making some money from all those free loading piracy loving no porn membership buying surfers.. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

10-26-2008, 04:36 PM	#167
MarcWomack Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Manila, Philippines Posts: 529	Right on Jay, as always much respect for a straight-up business man! Heh, stumbled across my old Free Jay T-shirt from the CJ days last week! __________________ Regards, MarcWomack.com Internet Advertising & Outsourcing Consultant

10-26-2008, 06:11 PM	#168
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,958	Good post Jay. I've promoted OCCash since the day it opened. JC wrote me an email before the door was even open officially and I started promoting the program. Great content and good people. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

10-26-2008, 08:32 PM	#169
NETbilling Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Huntington Beach, CA Posts: 8,574	Jay and JC and good people with a great program. If you are not promoting OCcash, you should be. Happy Sunday __________________ Mitch Farber CEO - NETbilling, Inc. Email / Phone: 888-357-8166 / 661-252-2456 Transaction processing & 24/7 call center services with exceptional rates and flexibility, since 1998!

10-27-2008, 02:46 AM	#170
AdultB2B Adult Site Broker Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Pattaya, Thailand Posts: 1,364	Well said Jay. Too many people spend way too much time in this business worrying about what everyone else is doing instead of taking care of business. As usual, right on the money. __________________ Adult Site Broker - The Ethical Broker ASB Cash Adult Site Broker Talk