Top Bucks asks: No more Xsells, what PPS payout? - GoFuckYourself.com

Sly · 11-15-2008, 11:49 AM

Just as the title says. We're conducting a research and would like you to help us offer a PPS solution for joins without xsells (or cross sales)
Answering that survey will take just 2 minutes of your time and will help us build a better Top Bucks!

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?s...rxcYlDuw_3d_3d

We're open to any feedback you might have so feel free to express yourself!

halfpint · 11-15-2008, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Just as the title says. We're conducting a research and would like you to help us offer a PPS solution for joins without xsells (or cross sales)
Answering that survey will take just 2 minutes of your time and will help us build a better Top Bucks!

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?s...rxcYlDuw_3d_3d

We're open to any feedback you might have so feel free to express yourself!

Recieved it by email filled out and returned

MrDeiz · 11-15-2008, 12:08 PM

congrats. it's really great news.

hope other will follow you

Iron Fist · 11-15-2008, 12:09 PM

Done.....

Luscious Media · 11-15-2008, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by halfpint

Recieved it by email filled out and returned

ditto

fris · 11-15-2008, 12:15 PM

nice move

brand0n · 11-15-2008, 12:28 PM

heh that was fun

alias · 11-15-2008, 12:35 PM

I filled that out yesterday.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 11-15-2008, 12:41 PM

Wut?????

IllTestYourGirls · 11-15-2008, 12:44 PM

filled it out GL guys!

WiredGuy · 11-15-2008, 01:06 PM

I got the email too, nice idea but unless the industry as a whole makes the move, I'm not willing to take a paycut. As long as the x-sales are visible and above the submit button, I'm ok with them.
WG

polish_aristocrat · 11-15-2008, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by halfpint

Recieved it by email filled out and returned

received and ignored

Rorschach · 11-15-2008, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

I got the email too, nice idea but unless the industry as a whole makes the move, I'm not willing to take a paycut. As long as the x-sales are visible and above the submit button, I'm ok with them.
WG

I agree. As a churn and burn SE spammer I couldn't care less about x sales as long as they don't affect conversions - I just want more money.

Tempest · 11-15-2008, 04:27 PM

If they're not, just make the cross sells ethical... Anyone that thinks ethical cross sales are still wrong doesn't have much for traffic anyway.

PR_Dave · 11-15-2008, 04:33 PM

Interesting.....

Sly · 11-15-2008, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

I got the email too, nice idea but unless the industry as a whole makes the move, I'm not willing to take a paycut. As long as the x-sales are visible and above the submit button, I'm ok with them.
WG

Sure... some care, some don't. That's why we are reaching out to see if there is a demand... we have been getting some great information so far so please keep providing feedback everyone. Thanks.

spacedog · 11-15-2008, 07:53 PM

got the email and done..

lower payout is fine for no xsell

Snake Doctor · 11-15-2008, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

I got the email too, nice idea but unless the industry as a whole makes the move, I'm not willing to take a paycut. As long as the x-sales are visible and above the submit button, I'm ok with them.
WG

I think that day is coming soon.

Someone showed me some numbers the other day that made my eyes pop out of my head. Just like xpics and babenet, these scammers will eventually be shut down and the people who are still around will end up paying the price, just like we have in the past.

I understand your point as far as your revenue is concerned, but I hope you have a system in place to change links quick once a sponsor gets their processing shut down.

Snake Doctor · 11-15-2008, 10:08 PM

To clarify, I don't think x-sells in general are a scam....I think that hiding them below the submit button and not disclosing enough info about them is a scam.....this practice has become more and more common and the people doing that might affect the ability of anyone else to offer any time of x-sell in the future.

Super Negro · 11-15-2008, 11:08 PM

the only people that care are the $10 a day losers posting on gfy and acting like they have ethics, but in reality would sell their own sister in a heartbeat

stop listening to boards and making business decisions based on what your heart tells you.....fuck the surfers, they are fucking us, why not fuck them back

u-Bob · 11-16-2008, 05:42 AM

done

Pleasurepays · 11-16-2008, 05:59 AM

Ron Levi tried this once as well.... some might remember the results. An industry full of barely functional, self destructive, socially retarded, short sighted, self serving people only want to get paid on Friday.. and they want that check to be as big as possible.

It's an interesting conundrum for sure

pixovore · 11-16-2008, 10:04 AM

Congrats & bump for the survey! You got balls. 30$ PPS no console and 35$ with consoles seems to be the fair price for PPS.

WiredGuy · 11-16-2008, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

I think that day is coming soon.

Someone showed me some numbers the other day that made my eyes pop out of my head. Just like xpics and babenet, these scammers will eventually be shut down and the people who are still around will end up paying the price, just like we have in the past.

I understand your point as far as your revenue is concerned, but I hope you have a system in place to change links quick once a sponsor gets their processing shut down.

I don't see them going away any time soon. The shady ones where its under the submit button or the ones which force you into it (even if you uncheck it) will go away, but so long as its clearly defined, I see it staying for a long time. Worst case scenario is I see prechecked not being allowed.
WG

biskoppen · 11-16-2008, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

I got the email too, nice idea but unless the industry as a whole makes the move, I'm not willing to take a paycut. As long as the x-sales are visible and above the submit button, I'm ok with them.
WG

Word

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BradM · 11-16-2008, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

Ron Levi tried this once as well.... some might remember the results. An industry full of barely functional, self destructive, socially retarded, short sighted, self serving people only want to get paid on Friday.. and they want that check to be as big as possible.

It's an interesting conundrum for sure

If only those people understood what you just said and took it in and changed.

I have had this convo many times with people... lately it's been inside of my company and we are trying to find ways to stave off the recession. But you can't do anything clever because people just care about ratios and the $ at the end. I could rant so hard right now but I'm going to stop.

At least I'm not the only one that sees this.

Nicky · 11-16-2008, 03:12 PM

Some programs are already paying $30 per trial x-sale and console free.

chodadog · 11-16-2008, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicky

Some programs are already paying $30 per trial x-sale and console free.

I think Perfect Gonzo are paying $40 PPS console-free without cross sales.

FreeHugeMovies · 11-16-2008, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

Ron Levi tried this once as well.... some might remember the results. An industry full of barely functional, self destructive, socially retarded, short sighted, self serving people only want to get paid on Friday.. and they want that check to be as big as possible.

It's an interesting conundrum for sure

Kind of like the US Banking industry for the past few years with these mortgages?

The Duck · 11-16-2008, 05:00 PM

X-sells are always a scam because it is trying to force products on users that they did not want in the first place. I feel that even having x-sells above the signup button will hurt sales because the user will see that and think the site is shady and therefore exit.

SarahLLO · 11-16-2008, 05:02 PM

Filled it out!

sexandcash · 11-17-2008, 08:15 AM

Great move - keep it on!

Pleasurepays · 11-17-2008, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by FreeHugeMovies

Kind of like the US Banking industry for the past few years with these mortgages?

i don't think the banking industry was forcing 2-3 additional, poorly disclosed home loans on borrowers where they looked at their bill two months later and saw triple house payments due

cherrylula · 11-17-2008, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

Ron Levi tried this once as well.... some might remember the results. An industry full of barely functional, self destructive, socially retarded, short sighted, self serving people only want to get paid on Friday.. and they want that check to be as big as possible.

that was long ago, I'd bet most of those people aren't even around today.

Really, there are more honest webmasters today, the ones who have been around and plan on staying around.

cherrylula · 11-17-2008, 09:08 AM

Options are always nice.

I am noticing more lately there are programs that have "Without Cross Sales" options in their links.

First it was the no popup options, now we need no cross sale options.

Barefootsies · 11-17-2008, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

received and ignored

WarChild · 11-17-2008, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by kandah

X-sells are always a scam because it is trying to force products on users that they did not want in the first place. I feel that even having x-sells above the signup button will hurt sales because the user will see that and think the site is shady and therefore exit.

That's probably because you have no traffic, no brains and no clue.

Pleasurepays · 11-17-2008, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by cherrylula

that was long ago, I'd bet most of those people aren't even around today.

Really, there are more honest webmasters today, the ones who have been around and plan on staying around.

long ago or not, nothing has changed

you show me a "stand up", "top notch" upstanding member of the bro club... and i'll show you the laundry list of bullshit they simply haven't got called out for yet or been caught doing yet.

honesty has nothing to do with anything. a few years ago, i was finally forced to accept the fact that no matter how honest you want to be, you are simply putting yourself at a severe disadvantage to those who are going to do shady shit and do it at everyone's expense.

one simple fact is that this industry is highly disorganized and dysfunctional and full of self destructive, self serving, lazy people who gravitate to the point of least resistance like water.. then blame tube sites when it stops working.

it would be nice to see someone make positive changes and do the right thing for surfers, themselves and webmasters and the industry as a whole. but in my opinion, its naive to expect to not be punished for it.

"i have all the morals i can afford"
- Nick@ilynx

Tom_PM · 11-17-2008, 12:01 PM

We let you choose cross sales or no cross sales.

tranza · 11-17-2008, 12:08 PM

I've also entered my input.

Any chances you guys could make the results public???

11-15-2008, 11:49 AM	#1
Sly Let's do some business! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 31,291	Top Bucks asks: No more Xsells, what PPS payout? Just as the title says. We're conducting a research and would like you to help us offer a PPS solution for joins without xsells (or cross sales) Answering that survey will take just 2 minutes of your time and will help us build a better Top Bucks! http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?s...rxcYlDuw_3d_3d We're open to any feedback you might have so feel free to express yourself! __________________ Vacares - Web Hosting, Domains, O365, Security & More - Paxum and BTC Accepted Windows VPS now available. Wanted: CCBill pay sites for sale

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11-15-2008, 12:41 PM	#9
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11-15-2008, 01:06 PM	#11
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,451	I got the email too, nice idea but unless the industry as a whole makes the move, I'm not willing to take a paycut. As long as the x-sales are visible and above the submit button, I'm ok with them. WG __________________ I play with Google.

11-15-2008, 04:27 PM	#14
Tempest Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: West Coast, Canada. Posts: 10,217	If they're not, just make the cross sells ethical... Anyone that thinks ethical cross sales are still wrong doesn't have much for traffic anyway.

11-15-2008, 04:33 PM	#15
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11-15-2008, 07:53 PM	#17
spacedog Yes that IS me. Bitch. Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 14,149	got the email and done.. lower payout is fine for no xsell

11-15-2008, 10:08 PM	#19
Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	To clarify, I don't think x-sells in general are a scam....I think that hiding them below the submit button and not disclosing enough info about them is a scam.....this practice has become more and more common and the people doing that might affect the ability of anyone else to offer any time of x-sell in the future. __________________ sig too big

11-15-2008, 11:08 PM	#20
Super Negro So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 215	the only people that care are the $10 a day losers posting on gfy and acting like they have ethics, but in reality would sell their own sister in a heartbeat stop listening to boards and making business decisions based on what your heart tells you.....fuck the surfers, they are fucking us, why not fuck them back

11-16-2008, 05:42 AM	#21
u-Bob there's no $$$ in porn Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: icq: 195./568.-230 (btw: not getting offline msgs) Posts: 33,063	done

11-16-2008, 05:59 AM	#22
Pleasurepays BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I live in a pile of boogers Posts: 11,913	Ron Levi tried this once as well.... some might remember the results. An industry full of barely functional, self destructive, socially retarded, short sighted, self serving people only want to get paid on Friday.. and they want that check to be as big as possible. It's an interesting conundrum for sure

11-16-2008, 10:04 AM	#23
pixovore Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,128	Congrats & bump for the survey! You got balls. 30$ PPS no console and 35$ with consoles seems to be the fair price for PPS. __________________ 80% Revshare or 30$ PPS on $1 trials: 200 Niches = Vidz.com Galleries / FLVs / Embeds 3 & 5mins FLVs \| RSS & Tube Feeds \| Matching Thumbs \| FLV Browser & Exporter \| No Prechecked Xsales >> Mobile Redirection Script: mobile.vidz.com also paying 80% net Lifetime << ICQ: 198-394-557 Last edited by pixovore; 11-16-2008 at 10:06 AM..

11-16-2008, 03:12 PM	#27
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11-16-2008, 05:00 PM	#30
The Duck Adult Content Provider Industry Role: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 18,243	X-sells are always a scam because it is trying to force products on users that they did not want in the first place. I feel that even having x-sells above the signup button will hurt sales because the user will see that and think the site is shady and therefore exit. __________________ Skype Horusmaia ICQ 41555245 Email [email protected]

11-16-2008, 05:02 PM	#31
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11-17-2008, 08:15 AM	#32
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11-17-2008, 09:08 AM	#35
cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	Options are always nice. I am noticing more lately there are programs that have "Without Cross Sales" options in their links. First it was the no popup options, now we need no cross sale options.

11-17-2008, 12:01 PM	#39
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	We let you choose cross sales or no cross sales. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

11-17-2008, 12:08 PM	#40
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	I've also entered my input. Any chances you guys could make the results public??? __________________ I'm just a newbie.