New google feature - How will it effect SEO? - GoFuckYourself.com

st0ned · 11-20-2008, 10:32 PM

I am not too sure when Google added this but I just noticed it a few minutes ago. There are 3 new user features: "Promote", "Remove", and "Comment". These appear next to each listing in the search results. I assume this is based upon your Google account and it allows them to store the information based on what you prefer to see (Personal search setting so to say). However I tend to think they will also be using this to better judge the overall quality of a website based on surfer opinions.

So what do you think of this new feature? Will it have an effect on search engine placement, or is it simply an added feature to go along with our Google accounts for a more personal searching enviroment?

Example:

KillerK · 11-20-2008, 10:36 PM

it's not on all words?

WiredGuy · 11-20-2008, 10:36 PM

My guess is that Google will sort or re-order the results from the SERP's based on the user submitted data. I don't see this as a way to improve results and probably just localized to individual users, not a mass scale change. Its too easy to manipulate this for profit that Google will probably just use this data for re-ordering data.
WG

st0ned · 11-20-2008, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by KillerK

it's not on all words?

Are you logged into a Google account? I didn't to too many keywords but to me it looked like they were attached to all of the ranking sites.

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

My guess is that Google will sort or re-order the results from the SERP's based on the user submitted data. I don't see this as a way to improve results and probably just localized to individual users, not a mass scale change. Its too easy to manipulate this for profit that Google will probably just use this data for re-ordering data.
WG

Yeah I would agree. Allowing that into the overall algorithm would be easily exploitable. Everyone would be hitting "Remove" on their competition.

SmokeyTheBear · 11-20-2008, 10:51 PM

they say only you can see the new results and that they wont alter the serps based on what people vote , but i'm sure thats a lie.

SmokeyTheBear · 11-20-2008, 10:53 PM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sciencean...se-search.html

st0ned · 11-20-2008, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

they say only you can see the new results and that they wont alter the serps based on what people vote , but i'm sure thats a lie.

Yeah, I don't know. I would think Google would be smart enough to only allow the user that made the change to see their altered search results. Let's hope it doesn't have an overall effect.

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sciencean...se-search.html

Nice link, thanks.

JD · 11-20-2008, 11:03 PM

just another way to fuck with the serps

rowan · 11-20-2008, 11:12 PM

Was discussed a couple of months ago here...

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=848599

As I mentioned in the thread I doubt that Google could give much weight to user submitted data since it could be manipulated. Sites that have been around a long time could get quickly voted down (indefinitely?) while the spammers just register a new domain and vote it up.

st0ned · 11-20-2008, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by rowan

Was discussed a couple of months ago here...

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=848599

As I mentioned in the thread I doubt that Google could give much weight to user submitted data since it could be manipulated. Sites that have been around a long time could get quickly voted down (indefinitely?) while the spammers just register a new domain and vote it up.

Interesting, thanks for the link. I hadn't seen this discussed before.

Agent 488 · 11-20-2008, 11:22 PM

how does wikipedia and digg self-organize themselves?

that is the direction goog is moving - ignore at your own risk.

Shaze · 11-20-2008, 11:23 PM

The ways of search engines are changing. Search engines are going to be micro-targeting search results and ads based on individual surfers. This does two main things (as well as many other smaller things to improve surfing experience for search engines, end-users, advertising companies, etc...basically everyone) it makes it harder to spam SE results on a large scale now to gain massive amounts of traffic since each individual users experience and SE results are different, based on their surfing history and recommendations given to Google; and secondly enhances the end-users experience. If you think about it this kills SEO.

The only drawback to this right now is that not everyone can be tracked by Google and other SE's because everyone doesn't log in to their accounts to be tracked and get specialized search results and a user experience, but things are being created to do this like a universal Open ID (one login) for all Internet applications, and gateway devices like the Google phone, Google computer, etc... Of course there's the issue of privacy concerns with companies having your personal data and surfing experiences which is the main roadblock for getting this type of technology pushed.

The bigger picture is alot more complicated and I'm too lazy to actually type thoughtfully on it, but you get the idea.

MovieMaster · 11-20-2008, 11:24 PM

Agree with wired guy, seems simply like a measure that will help them back up there algo's results and fix what there formula might have missed.

d-null · 11-20-2008, 11:30 PM

just to play it safe, I'm going to outsource some people to do some clicking, both for and against certain sites ...

nyllover · 11-20-2008, 11:31 PM

Don't think it will affect a lot...

themonk · 11-20-2008, 11:32 PM

interesting stuff

Shaze · 11-20-2008, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by d-null

just to play it safe, I'm going to outsource some people to do some clicking, both for and against certain sites ...

your going to be wasting money. because the end result google is trying to achieve is not what your thinking. this type of spamming won't work. it will only rearrange SERP results for the account that is logged into and not the general search results if there is no tracking.

again. think micro-targeting for each individual user.

Shaze · 11-20-2008, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by rowan

Was discussed a couple of months ago here...

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=848599

As I mentioned in the thread I doubt that Google could give much weight to user submitted data since it could be manipulated. Sites that have been around a long time could get quickly voted down (indefinitely?) while the spammers just register a new domain and vote it up.

your looking at it in the wrong way. this voting and commenting is to enhance a users experience and surfing that will NOT be used in general SERP's when someone is not logged in. Google's algorithm will still handle the anonymous surfing portion of SERPs. this is an addition to the algorithms which will re-rank personal results if the user allows themselves to be tracked or are logged into some account which the SE's are trying to come to some sort of agreement on (Open ID, Windows Live ID, or something similar). in the future every person who allows themselves to be tracked with have very different SERP's from the general SERP's for anonymous surfers (this starts killing the SEO industry and SE spamming and making it less valuable if you put some thought into it.)

the main roadblock the SE's have is getting these personalized SE results to be used on a large scale by getting people to be logged in because of privacy issues people will be concerned about.

d-null · 11-20-2008, 11:51 PM

so you guys are pretty certain that if a site consistently starts to see negative ratings, that google will resist the urge to use that information in its anonymous serp rankings??

Shaze · 11-21-2008, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by d-null

so you guys are pretty certain that if a site consistently starts to see negative ratings, that google will resist the urge to use that information in its anonymous serp rankings??

Google's trying to stop SE spamming. Doing this will encourage SE spamming by getting people to create thousands of accounts to vote down competition and vote up their own sites. I'm pretty sure Google thought this through already. Unless Google comes up with a way to validate Google accounts as legitimate accounts attached to one person/entity (by providing verified account information like drivers license, cc #'s, etc...) then this won't affect anonymous SERP's. if you think through the logic of it, you still do want legitimate user accounts who are logged in to bookmark your sites or give you good comments because in the future it will rank your site higher in their personal SERP results, because maybe in the forseeable future the anonymous SERP's will become less important than the personal SERP results. you want your site to be get good votes and comments in the user's account, which will equate to you providing unique and good content. creating illegitimate accounts though and voting/commenting is useless, unless people are actually going to be using those accounts to surf.

i know the phrase "Content is King" is so played out, but it will be the way of the future to get those valuable individualized SERP results which you won't be able to manipulate.

SEO is slowly dying or being buffered out. and anyone who argues this point just can't see the bigger picture (for lack of brain power or short-sightedness).

CyberHustler · 11-21-2008, 12:08 AM

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JD · 11-21-2008, 12:15 AM

honestly I like this. it will help google tune it's anti-spam filters and the sites that should be listed in the top will be.

but at the same time... it will for adult at least, increase the chances that tubes will continue to dominate the serps for years to come

d-null · 11-21-2008, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by JD

honestly I like this. it will help google tune it's anti-spam filters and the sites that should be listed in the top will be.

but at the same time... it will for adult at least, increase the chances that tubes will continue to dominate the serps for years to come

tubes, torrents, and stolen content forums will own all the top rankings if surfer votes were what matters

(and the 2 minute video tube sites will be crushed)

moeloubani · 11-21-2008, 12:28 AM

just build sites people will enjoy, Google will sort the rest out

InternetIsForPorn · 11-21-2008, 02:18 AM

Old.

We've already worked ways around this and use those features to clients' benefits.

If anyone has concerns about the voting/commenting features, feel free to hit me up, I'll give some advice.

$5 submissions · 11-21-2008, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

I don't see this as a way to improve results and probably just localized to individual users, not a mass scale change. Its too easy to manipulate this for profit that Google will probably just use this data for re-ordering data.

Amen, WG.

dynastoned · 11-21-2008, 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by st0ned

Are you logged into a Google account? I didn't to too many keywords but to me it looked like they were attached to all of the ranking sites.

Yeah I would agree. Allowing that into the overall algorithm would be easily exploitable. Everyone would be hitting "Remove" on their competition.

exactly bots would be going wild. at least i know mine would.

Machete_ · 11-21-2008, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Shaze

SEO is slowly dying or being buffered out. and anyone who argues this point just can't see the bigger picture (for lack of brain power or short-sightedness).

No, you are idiot here. The only people who think SEO/SEM is dying, is those that think SEO comes down to Amount of backlinks and Titletags

Every time a new page is added to google's index, SEO/SEM become more valuable. The only people going out of business are those who had no bussiness being here to begin with.

Back on topic:
The SearchWiki have ZERO - NONE - effect on the SERP for other people.
It have just as much relevance to the SERP, as Adding a site as a bookmark have to do with backlinks - ZERO

Read http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/...-your-own.html

mona · 11-21-2008, 07:55 AM

Personalizing search sometimes doesn't make sense to me because what if you're looking for something that you don't "normally" look for or doesn't fit into your "search personality" and you can't find it...

Machete_ · 11-21-2008, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by mona_klixxx

Personalizing search sometimes doesn't make sense to me because what if you're looking for something that you don't "normally" look for or doesn't fit into your "search personality" and you can't find it...

Most of the time "Personalizing search" is more about removing what you dont what.
In other words. Sblogs, Techforums that you need payed access to, Popuphell ect ect.

Its a great tool for everyone to get rid og searchenigne spammers

PR_Sebas · 11-21-2008, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by d-null

tubes, torrents, and stolen content forums will own all the top rankings if surfer votes were what matters

(and the 2 minute video tube sites will be crushed)

don't they already?

Shaze · 11-21-2008, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebus_dk

No, you are idiot here. The only people who think SEO/SEM is dying, is those that think SEO comes down to Amount of backlinks and Titletags

Every time a new page is added to google's index, SEO/SEM become more valuable. The only people going out of business are those who had no bussiness being here to begin with.

Back on topic:
The SearchWiki have ZERO - NONE - effect on the SERP for other people.
It have just as much relevance to the SERP, as Adding a site as a bookmark have to do with backlinks - ZERO

Read http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/...-your-own.html

lol..we'll see who's the idiot when it isn't as easy to manipulate the SERPs through SEO anymore. your to short-sighted. Google is trying to move away from the actual webmasters being able to maximize variables (like backlinks, onpage keywords, title tags, meta tags, etc...) to get ranked in the SE's and leave it up to real individual surfers to have the power to rank sites by using factors such as how much traffic a site has by the amount of visitors, personalized search, commenting, voting, etc...

brand0n · 11-21-2008, 10:47 AM

i was about to pound the fuck outta this shit with a bot network

Machete_ · 11-21-2008, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Shaze

lol..we'll see who's the idiot when it isn't as easy to manipulate the SERPs through SEO anymore. your to short-sighted. Google is trying to move away from the actual webmasters being able to maximize variables (like backlinks, onpage keywords, title tags, meta tags, etc...) to get ranked in the SE's and leave it up to real individual surfers to have the power to rank sites by using factors such as how much traffic a site has by the amount of visitors, personalized search, commenting, voting, etc...

Clueless idiot. You have no idea what you are talking about. The only thing Google does is close loopholes people exploit to get SERPS that their content dont support. And thank God for that.

Shaze · 11-21-2008, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ebus_dk

Clueless idiot. You have no idea what you are talking about. The only thing Google does is close loopholes people exploit to get SERPS that their content dont support. And thank God for that.

holy shit. you really have no idea. don't worry i'll bump this thread in the future when my point is proved. no reason to argue.

on a sidenote, your telling me a muti-billion dollar company just closes loopholes and isn't trying to innovate search? that's a pretty fucking stupid company if that's how they operate. and google isn't stupid, they are the most innovated internet company that has ever existed in my opinion.

11-20-2008, 10:32 PM	#1
st0ned Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 8,437	New google feature - How will it effect SEO? I am not too sure when Google added this but I just noticed it a few minutes ago. There are 3 new user features: "Promote", "Remove", and "Comment". These appear next to each listing in the search results. I assume this is based upon your Google account and it allows them to store the information based on what you prefer to see (Personal search setting so to say). However I tend to think they will also be using this to better judge the overall quality of a website based on surfer opinions. So what do you think of this new feature? Will it have an effect on search engine placement, or is it simply an added feature to go along with our Google accounts for a more personal searching enviroment? Example: __________________ Conversion Sharks - 1,000+ adult dating offers, traffic management, and consistently high payouts. We will guarantee and beat your current EPC to win your dating traffic! Skype: ConversionSharks \|\| Email: info /@/ conversionsharks.com

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WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,451	My guess is that Google will sort or re-order the results from the SERP's based on the user submitted data. I don't see this as a way to improve results and probably just localized to individual users, not a mass scale change. Its too easy to manipulate this for profit that Google will probably just use this data for re-ordering data. WG __________________ I play with Google.

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KillerK Confirmed User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,406	it's not on all words?

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JD Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 22,651	just another way to fuck with the serps

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rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	Was discussed a couple of months ago here... http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=848599 As I mentioned in the thread I doubt that Google could give much weight to user submitted data since it could be manipulated. Sites that have been around a long time could get quickly voted down (indefinitely?) while the spammers just register a new domain and vote it up.

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Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	how does wikipedia and digg self-organize themselves? that is the direction goog is moving - ignore at your own risk.

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d-null . . . Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 13,724	so you guys are pretty certain that if a site consistently starts to see negative ratings, that google will resist the urge to use that information in its anonymous serp rankings?? __________________ __________________ Looking for a custom TUBE SCRIPT that supports massive traffic, load balancing, billing support, and h264 encoding? Hit up Konrad! Looking for designs for your websites or custom tubesite design? Hit up Zuzana Designs Check out the #1 WordPress SEO Plugin: CyberSEO Suite

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JD Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 22,651	honestly I like this. it will help google tune it's anti-spam filters and the sites that should be listed in the top will be. but at the same time... it will for adult at least, increase the chances that tubes will continue to dominate the serps for years to come

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InternetIsForPorn Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 848	Old. We've already worked ways around this and use those features to clients' benefits. If anyone has concerns about the voting/commenting features, feel free to hit me up, I'll give some advice.

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mona Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Mona = "female monkey" in Spanish Posts: 1,940	Personalizing search sometimes doesn't make sense to me because what if you're looking for something that you don't "normally" look for or doesn't fit into your "search personality" and you can't find it...

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