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donnylong · 11-22-2008, 12:33 PM

I was surfing porn today on a tube site that another thread here said brazzers owns and the first thing i see is everyone elses porn but brazzers on it WTF? Here is a scene that was shot next door to me by traffic cash gold I know this because i know that directors voice and that set and I have fucked that girl before in a scene hehehehe. http://www.keezmovies.com/417823 20 min 56 sec with a pop free of charge WTF?

I wonder if TCG knows about this? I am sure they do I mean they must, everyone's shit is on there all over the place?

Here is another from one of top bucks sites Asian parade http://www.keezmovies.com/422544 40 min 14 sec. with a pop how do i know this I use to work for them as talent for years I know the set and director!

Now does top bucks now about this?? and do they care? if they don't I would like to know why because I don't see any banners from top bucks or traffic cash gold on this tube site so how can they let them do this? All I can say if they do have a problem with it dont do what everyone else does and ask they to please take down your shit because it will go up again. take screen shots and file a sue a big one!

Fletch XXX · 11-22-2008, 12:39 PM

mother fuckers!

crockett · 11-22-2008, 12:44 PM

Yea nothing new.. just a new site on a new day. Seems not many care to do anything about it as far as going after the site owners.

BusterBunny · 11-22-2008, 12:46 PM

i may not know what is going on, but i do know bird is the word

stever · 11-22-2008, 12:46 PM

internet 2.0
everyone stealing from everyone

donnylong · 11-22-2008, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Yea nothing new.. just a new site on a new day. Seems not many care to do anything about it as far as going after the site owners.

Yea but why? This is our money they are fucking with!!! why dont they do anything about it?? all it would take is one good hefty sue or penalty correct me if i am wrong? maybe a judge saying any company caught doing this cant do any biz on the net for 6 months or a year and has to pay a large fine?

WarChild · 11-22-2008, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by donnylong

Now does top bucks now about this?? and do they care? if they don't I would like to know why because I don't see any banners from top bucks or traffic cash gold on this tube site so how can they let them do this? All I can say if they do have a problem with it dont do what everyone else does and ask they to please take down your shit because it will go up again. take screen shots and file a sue a big one!

Unfortunately, the language of the DMCA makes it so they have to send a DMCA notice. The tube site then takes down the "user uploaded conent", and have then complied. You can't just jump right to suing someone without taking the proper steps first.

It's obviously a loop hole. It's also obvious that "user uploaded" sometimes, if not most often, means that the tube site themselves are doing it. You could buy a trial membership at any major sponsor, and have your outsourced worker ripping and uploading movies and it would hardly cost anything at all.

That's the problem. Either DMCA needs to be changed, or google needs to lose to Viacom over youtube. Until then, it's kind of tricky.

moeloubani · 11-22-2008, 12:54 PM

DMCA is a joke, you can't get in trouble for stealing you can only get in trouble for not giving it back

But either way, you're giving people looking for porn 40 minute porns, why? It's stupid as shit stolen or not.

aico · 11-22-2008, 01:02 PM

fuck, for a second I thought my time machine worked.

JustDaveXxx · 11-22-2008, 01:04 PM

I think you should spear head the move against tube sites. Everyone knows that u can be a serious pain in the ass when you put your mind to it. It kinda blows to be at the end of your wrath.

Go get em donny!!!!

donnylong · 11-22-2008, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx

I think you should spear head the move against tube sites. Everyone knows that u can be a serious pain in the ass when you put your mind to it. It kinda blows to be at the end of your wrath.

Go get em donny!!!!

donny long saves the industry again!!!!

donnylong · 11-22-2008, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

Unfortunately, the language of the DMCA makes it so they have to send a DMCA notice. The tube site then takes down the "user uploaded conent", and have then complied. You can't just jump right to suing someone without taking the proper steps first.

It's obviously a loop hole. It's also obvious that "user uploaded" sometimes, if not most often, means that the tube site themselves are doing it. You could buy a trial membership at any major sponsor, and have your outsourced worker ripping and uploading movies and it would hardly cost anything at all.

That's the problem. Either DMCA needs to be changed, or google needs to lose to Viacom over youtube. Until then, it's kind of tricky.

ok but if you have already asked them to take it down once and more gets uploaded dont you have ground to do something more?

WarChild · 11-22-2008, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by donnylong

ok but if you have already asked them to take it down once and more gets uploaded dont you have ground to do something more?

Well, I'm not an expert on this by any means, so take what I say with that in mind. I suggest you do your own research and read the DMCA act if you're really interested.

The way I understand it, what you're talking about is more or less the basis of the Viacom suit vs. Youtube (Google). Basically, they're saying that Youtube doesn't do enough, or certainly not all they can, to keep copyright material down.

The safe harbour provision has a bunch of steps that have to be followed. You can't be acting as an editor on the content, you have to register with the copyright office, and on and on.

If Viacom wins, or the DMCA is re-written, it will be a lot easier to go after tube sites.

Then of course there's sites that are outside of the USA, which adds a whole new layer of complexity. Good luck suing a tubesite hosted in Russia. How are you ever going to get them in to a US court? It's going to be very tough.

WarChild · 11-22-2008, 01:26 PM

Here's a light read on Safe Harbor

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Title 17, United States Code, Section 512(c)(1) provides that "a service provider shall not be liable for monetary relief, or . . . for infringement of copyright by reason of the storage at the direction of a user of material that resides on a system or network controlled or operated by or for the service provider." A service provider is "a provider of online services or network access, or the operator of facilities therefor" and an "entity offering the transmission, routing, or providing of connections for digital online communications, between or among points specified by a user, of material of the user's choosing, without modification to the content of the material as sent or received." 17 U.S.C. § 512(k)(1).
http://www.keytlaw.com/Copyrights/dmca.htm

SteveLightspeed · 11-22-2008, 01:27 PM

I suggest baseball bats to the knees.

donnylong · 11-22-2008, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarChild

Well, I'm not an expert on this by any means, so take what I say with that in mind. I suggest you do your own research and read the DMCA act if you're really interested.

The way I understand it, what you're talking about is more or less the basis of the Viacom suit vs. Youtube (Google). Basically, they're saying that Youtube doesn't do enough, or certainly not all they can, to keep copyright material down.

The safe harbour provision has a bunch of steps that have to be followed. You can't be acting as an editor on the content, you have to register with the copyright office, and on and on.

If Viacom wins, or the DMCA is re-written, it will be a lot easier to go after tube sites.

Then of course there's sites that are outside of the USA, which adds a whole new layer of complexity. Good luck suing a tubesite hosted in Russia. How are you ever going to get them in to a US court? It's going to be very tough.

so what is to be done about this? are we suppose to stand here and watch our biz go done the tubes? I don't believe in the word cant.

d-null · 11-22-2008, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

I suggest baseball bats to the knees.

L-Pink · 11-22-2008, 01:31 PM

Good posts Donny, seriously I agree 100%.

WarChild · 11-22-2008, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donnylong

so what is to be done about this? are we suppose to stand here and watch our biz go done the tubes? I don't believe in the word cant.

Well, if Viacom can beat Google, there will be precedent making it easier to go after adult tubes too. Essentially people will be able to sue tube sites saying "Well they're doing the same as YouTube, which you've already established to be illegal ...".

I think a lot of people in these tighter economic times are thinking that as long as Viacom wants to fight the battle and more importantly fund it, let them do it and hope they win. Of course if Google wins, and there's precedent set the other way ... then the uphill battle for copyright owners will get that much worse.

It does seem like things are changing internationally towards better protections for copyright holders. It's slow though, like any change always is.

More or less the DMCA act needs to be completely re-written taking in to mind today's technologies and platforms for content delivery. It's out of date and not working. For that, well I guess lobby your Congressman.

Snake Doctor · 11-22-2008, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

That's the problem. Either DMCA needs to be changed, or google needs to lose to Viacom over youtube. Until then, it's kind of tricky.

That is the more likely scenario......BUT, even then, how many of these sites are U.S. based or owned by a U.S. company? Even the ones that are would likely move offshore.
Even with a precedent it would still be hard to sue the offenders out of business

L-Pink · 11-22-2008, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarChild

Well, I'm not an expert on this by any means, so take what I say with that in mind. I suggest you do your own research and read the DMCA act if you're really interested.

The way I understand it, what you're talking about is more or less the basis of the Viacom suit vs. Youtube (Google). Basically, they're saying that Youtube doesn't do enough, or certainly not all they can, to keep copyright material down.

The safe harbour provision has a bunch of steps that have to be followed. You can't be acting as an editor on the content, you have to register with the copyright office, and on and on.

If Viacom wins, or the DMCA is re-written, it will be a lot easier to go after tube sites.

Then of course there's sites that are outside of the USA, which adds a whole new layer of complexity. Good luck suing a tubesite hosted in Russia. How are you ever going to get them in to a US court? It's going to be very tough.

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarChild

Well, if Viacom can beat Google, there will be precedent making it easier to go after adult tubes too. Essentially people will be able to sue tube sites saying "Well they're doing the same as YouTube, which you've already established to be illegal ...".

I think a lot of people in these tighter economic times are thinking that as long as Viacom wants to fight the battle and more importantly fund it, let them do it and hope they win. Of course if Google wins, and there's precedent set the other way ... then the uphill battle for copyright owners will get that much worse.

It does seem like things are changing internationally towards better protections for copyright holders. It's slow though, like any change always is.

More or less the DMCA act needs to be completely re-written taking in to mind today's technologies and platforms for content delivery. It's out of date and not working. For that, well I guess lobby your Congressman.

Good posts ..... for a surfer

(couldn't resist)

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$5 submissions · 11-22-2008, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by donnylong

ok but if you have already asked them to take it down once and more gets uploaded dont you have ground to do something more?

No. You are then back to asking them to take it down. However, if there is a pattern that indicates that it is willful on their part or it can be proven that they encourage or they themselves upload the infringing materials, this may fall out of the 'safe harbor' provisions of the DMCA and be actionable under copyright law. Please consult with an attorney in your jurisdiction.

I have a feeling this might be a lucrative practice for the right kind of lawyers. People usually shit their pants when they get a cease and desist. Not to mention a formal complaint (actual lawsuit). Just the cost of getting representation is hassle enough already.

donnylong · 11-22-2008, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by $5 submissions

No. You are then back to asking them to take it down. However, if there is a pattern that indicates that it is willful on their part or it can be proven that they encourage or they themselves upload the infringing materials, this may fall out of the 'safe harbor' provisions of the DMCA and be actionable under copyright law. Please consult with an attorney in your jurisdiction.

I have a feeling this might be a lucrative practice for the right kind of lawyers. People usually shit their pants when they get a cease and desist. Not to mention a formal complaint (actual lawsuit). Just the cost of getting representation is hassle enough already.

well why is brazzers doing this to our industry? why is tcg not doing anything? and why is TB not doing anything? how many people on this thread promote brazzers?

I know I do! Every page on my site has there banners. Http://www.donnylongproductions.com/home.html my template page for my whole site design has there banners on hundreds of pages. I think I might be changing that what do you guys think?

crockett · 11-22-2008, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by donnylong

Yea but why? This is our money they are fucking with!!! why dont they do anything about it?? all it would take is one good hefty sue or penalty correct me if i am wrong? maybe a judge saying any company caught doing this cant do any biz on the net for 6 months or a year and has to pay a large fine?

You're preaching to the choir man.. Who knows why nothing is done.

WarChild · 11-22-2008, 01:58 PM

Brazzers also owns Pornhub.

Unfortunately, I think the amount of traffic you send them is probably not very significant at the end of the day. Certainly not more so than the money they make on their own huge tubes selling their own sites. They're probably making money hand over first right now.

crockett · 11-22-2008, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

I suggest baseball bats to the knees.

Yea to an extent that's what needs to be done..

another option was one I suggested before.. Play cyber warfare with them and create a program that uploads crap video to their sites.

Grapesoda · 11-22-2008, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by donnylong

thread here said brazzers owns and the first thing i see is everyone elses porn but brazzers on it WTF?

why would brazzers host a tube site and not send the traffic to themselves? that dosen't make any sense... might be a good idea to slow down a bit before you start calling people out Donny. $.02

crockett · 11-22-2008, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

That is the more likely scenario......BUT, even then, how many of these sites are U.S. based or owned by a U.S. company? Even the ones that are would likely move offshore.
Even with a precedent it would still be hard to sue the offenders out of business

Yes but you can always go after the domains.

donnylong · 11-22-2008, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bm bradley

why would brazzers host a tube site and not send the traffic to themselves? that dosen't make any sense... might be a good idea to slow down a bit before you start calling people out Donny. $.02

what does that mean? the link to the videos I posted are clearly not brazzers stuff and clearly you can see no TB banners or TCG banners! I just would like someone to explain this to me thats all. correct me on how I am wrong?

donnylong · 11-22-2008, 02:06 PM

lets see what TB and TCG say about this??????
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=...2#post15091632

yys · 11-22-2008, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

I suggest baseball bats to the knees.

Yeah, I'm surprised that no one has been taken for a ride in a plastic lined panel van yet.

I'm even more surprised that some of these owners living in their resident third world shit hole haven't went missing yet; life is extremely cheap in a lot of these places.

Grapesoda · 11-22-2008, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by donnylong

what does that mean? the link to the videos I posted are clearly not brazzers stuff and clearly you can see no TB banners or TCG banners! I just would like someone to explain this to me thats all. correct me on how I am wrong?

you're stating the site belongs to brazzers because some one else posted that in a thread on GFY? that's not proof, and that's what matters. $.02

Grapesoda · 11-22-2008, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by yys

Yeah, I'm surprised that no one has been taken for a ride in a plastic lined panel van yet.

I'm even more surprised that some of these owners living in their resident third world shit hole haven't went missing yet; life is extremely cheap in a lot of these places.

everyone talk long shit, no one ever does anything in my expereice

donnylong · 11-22-2008, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by bm bradley

you're stating the site belongs to brazzers because some one else posted that in a thread on GFY? that's not proof, and that's what matters. $.02

to correct you a lot of people have said it was there site and here is a thread about it http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=...ight=tube1.com so if your mad at someone for accusing them be mad at the guy who posted that thread. Also I would have proff its not theirs!

Also whoever owns this site is doing wrong and needs to be called out or like everyone is saying knee caps broken!

GAMEFINEST · 11-22-2008, 02:18 PM

same shit different day

donnylong · 11-22-2008, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GAMEFINEST

same shit different day

yea and what is it going to take to stop it?

donnylong · 11-22-2008, 02:39 PM

here is what people are saying on the other thread!

Quote:
Originally Posted by »Rob Content« View Post
Welcome to two years ago.

These questions and fights have already been raised and dealt with.

Most major programs have cut deals with all the tubes and have traffic deals in place. It was just too much work for them to fight it.

and my responce
well if i dont see them come on here after i contact them about it with a link to here then maybe your right and you have answer my question.

d-null · 11-22-2008, 02:53 PM

regardless of who owns it, those companies that put their ads all over sites like that are basically saying "fuck you" to everyone else in the industry and to all of those that are spending money and working to produce content

jmcb420 · 11-22-2008, 02:55 PM

You guys remember NAPSTER?

Record companys are still suing people for illegal downloads. This should be the same thing. Webmasters who's products have turned up on theses sites should be notified of who owes what, and just like Napster, both the Tube sites AND the surfers who downloaded or viewed should be liable for monitary damages to the owners of said stolen material.

Or

We could just find a tube site owner, kill them, and write "QUIT STEALING FUCKING PORN" in their blood on the walls. Fuck tube sites.

d-null · 11-22-2008, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jmcb420

You guys remember NAPSTER?

Record companys are still suing people for illegal downloads. This should be the same thing. Webmasters who's products have turned up on theses sites should be notified of who owes what, and just like Napster, both the Tube sites AND the surfers who downloaded or viewed should be liable for monitary damages to the owners of said stolen material.

... Fuck tube sites.

agree with you, just doing a dmca only gets that specific material removed, but does zero to solve the problem..... if the content owners got more aggressive and sued and subpoenad ip information and got some of the people who are uploading (and therefore not at all protected by dmca) then that would send some shock into the system

it is pretty lazy to just stop at a simple dmca takedown request, isn't it?

Agent 488 · 11-22-2008, 03:09 PM

braz owns pornhub and keez.

jmcb420 · 11-22-2008, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by d-null

agree with you, just doing a dmca only gets that specific material removed, but does zero to solve the problem..... if the content owners got more aggressive and sued and subpoenad ip information and got some of the people who are uploading (and therefore not at all protected by dmca) then that would send some shock into the system

it is pretty lazy to just stop at a simple dmca takedown request, isn't it?

Yup. Webmasters need to be way more proactive if they want to stop the tube sites.

Although, if you woke up one night and found that tube site owner in your house stealing your shit, you'd shoot his ass. DOUBLE STANDARD. Theft is theft.

I've heard of tubesite people showing up at conventions.....hint hint.

Grapesoda · 11-22-2008, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by donnylong

to correct you a lot of people have said it was there site and here is a thread about it http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=...ight=tube1.com so if your mad at someone for accusing them be mad at the guy who posted that thread. Also I would have proff its not theirs!

Also whoever owns this site is doing wrong and needs to be called out or like everyone is saying knee caps broken!

Donny I don't have the anger issues you have, I'm not mad about anything. I don't accept gfy post as facts, and maybe you shouldn't either? just saying is all $.02

mizmiz · 11-22-2008, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by bm bradley

why would brazzers host a tube site and not send the traffic to themselves? that dosen't make any sense... might be a good idea to slow down a bit before you start calling people out Donny. $.02

They did send traffic to them, they stopped maybe it didnt convert or maybe they just want to hide

mizmiz · 11-22-2008, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jmcb420

Yup. Webmasters need to be way more proactive if they

I've heard of tubesite people showing up at conventions.....hint hint.

Im calling 911 on you

HomerSimpson · 11-22-2008, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by stever

internet 2.0
everyone stealing from everyone

yeah, sad but true...

Agent 488 · 11-22-2008, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bm bradley

why would brazzers host a tube site and not send the traffic to themselves? that dosen't make any sense... might be a good idea to slow down a bit before you start calling people out Donny. $.02

the same reason there are upsells in member areas and cross-sells?

jmcb420 · 11-22-2008, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mizmiz

Im calling 911 on you

oh............

Aussie Rebel · 11-22-2008, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by donnylong

yea and what is it going to take to stop it?

See sig

MrDeiz · 11-22-2008, 10:44 PM

don't worry
they will burn in hell

11-22-2008, 12:33 PM	#1
donnylong So Fucking Banned Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 2,164	how many of you really know whats going on? I was surfing porn today on a tube site that another thread here said brazzers owns and the first thing i see is everyone elses porn but brazzers on it WTF? Here is a scene that was shot next door to me by traffic cash gold I know this because i know that directors voice and that set and I have fucked that girl before in a scene hehehehe. http://www.keezmovies.com/417823 20 min 56 sec with a pop free of charge WTF? I wonder if TCG knows about this? I am sure they do I mean they must, everyone's shit is on there all over the place? Here is another from one of top bucks sites Asian parade http://www.keezmovies.com/422544 40 min 14 sec. with a pop how do i know this I use to work for them as talent for years I know the set and director! Now does top bucks now about this?? and do they care? if they don't I would like to know why because I don't see any banners from top bucks or traffic cash gold on this tube site so how can they let them do this? All I can say if they do have a problem with it dont do what everyone else does and ask they to please take down your shit because it will go up again. take screen shots and file a sue a big one!

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donnylong So Fucking Banned Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 2,164	lets see what TB and TCG say about this?????? http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=...2#post15091632

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11-22-2008, 02:39 PM	#37
donnylong So Fucking Banned Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 2,164	here is what people are saying on the other thread! Quote: Originally Posted by »Rob Content« View Post Welcome to two years ago. These questions and fights have already been raised and dealt with. Most major programs have cut deals with all the tubes and have traffic deals in place. It was just too much work for them to fight it. and my responce well if i dont see them come on here after i contact them about it with a link to here then maybe your right and you have answer my question.

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d-null . . . Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 13,724	regardless of who owns it, those companies that put their ads all over sites like that are basically saying "fuck you" to everyone else in the industry and to all of those that are spending money and working to produce content __________________ __________________ Looking for a custom TUBE SCRIPT that supports massive traffic, load balancing, billing support, and h264 encoding? Hit up Konrad! Looking for designs for your websites or custom tubesite design? Hit up Zuzana Designs Check out the #1 WordPress SEO Plugin: CyberSEO Suite

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jmcb420 So Fucking Drunk Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,155	You guys remember NAPSTER? Record companys are still suing people for illegal downloads. This should be the same thing. Webmasters who's products have turned up on theses sites should be notified of who owes what, and just like Napster, both the Tube sites AND the surfers who downloaded or viewed should be liable for monitary damages to the owners of said stolen material. Or We could just find a tube site owner, kill them, and write "QUIT STEALING FUCKING PORN" in their blood on the walls. Fuck tube sites. __________________ I'm funner than AIDS, and easier to explain to your parents.

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