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cykoe6 · 12-15-2008, 08:48 AM

The Eastern Europeans are now learning the hard way that they have traded one bureaucratic, undemocratic, authoritarian nightmare for another. Vaclav Klaus who dares to question the wisdom of the EU commissars was just denounced in committee old school Stalinist style by a few of the more despicable EU sycophants. With the Euro zone collapsing as Greece and Italy implode and the Irish being given one more chance to "vote" correctly Soviet style on the Lisbon Treaty, there has never been a better time to break up this totalitarian catastrophe before it is too late.

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The EU's ruling elite view President Klaus, a distinguished academic economist, with a mixture of bewilderment, hatred and contempt. As his country's prime minister, he applied to join the EU in the days after the fall of Communism in the 1990s. But now Klaus is alone among European leaders in expressing openly Eurosceptic views, not least about the Lisbon Treaty, which the Czech parliament has yet to ratify.

Klaus was an outspoken dissident under the Communist regime, and he has come to regard the EU as dangerously anti-democratic. But he compounds this sin with highly sceptical views on global warming, on which he recently published a book, Blue Planet in Green Shackles. He likens the extreme environmentalism favoured by the EU to Communism, as a serious threat to democracy, freedom and prosperity.

So when Klaus was due to meet the MEPs, one of them decided this was a moment to display the Euro-elite's hostility to him. Daniel Cohn-Bendit, who is German born but lives in France, first came to prominence in Paris in 1968 as a student agitator. He is now leader of the Green MEPs. Talking loudly in the plane to Prague, he made no secret of his intentions, and brief French journalists on how to get maximum publicity for his planned insults.........

President Klaus greeted the MEPs with his usual genial courtesy. Whatever his own views, he assured them, his countrymen would conduct their presidency in fully "communautaire" fashion. Cohn-Bendit then staged his ambush. Brusquely plonking down his EU flag., which he observed sarcastically was so much in evidence around the palace, he warned that the Czechs would be expected to put through the EU's "climate change package" without interference.

"You can believe what you want," he scornfully told the president, "but I don't believe, I know that global warming is a reality." He added, "my view is based on scientific views and the majority approval of the EU Parliament".

He then moved on to the Lisbon Treaty. "I don't care about your opinions on it," he said. If the Czech Parliament approves the treaty in February, he demanded, "Will you respect the will of the representatives of the people?"

He then reprimanded the president for his recent meeting in Ireland with Declan Ganley, the millionaire leader of the "No" campaign in the Irish referendum, claiming that it was improper for Klaus to have talked to someone whose "finances come from problematic sources".

Visibly taken aback by this onslaught, Klaus observed: "I must say that no one has talked to me in such a style and tone in the past six years. You are not on the barricades in Paris here. I thought that such manners ended for us 19 years ago" (ie when Communism fell). When Klaus suggested to Hans-Gert Pöttering, the president of the EU Parliament, that perhaps it was time for someone else to take the floor, Pöttering replied that "anyone from the members of the Parliament can ask you what he likes", and invited Cohn-Bendit to continue.

"This is incredible', said Klaus. "I have never experienced anything like this before."

After a further exchange, in which Cohn-Bendit compared Klaus unfavourably with his predecessor, President Havel, he gave way to an Irish MEP, Brian Crowley, who began by saying "all his life my father fought against the British domination [of Ireland]? That is why I dare to say that the Irish wish for the Lisbon Treaty. It was an insult, Mr President, to me and the Irish people what you said during your state visit to Ireland." Klaus repeated that he had not experienced anything like this for19 years and that it seemed we were no longer living in a democracy, but that it was "post-democracy which rules the EU".

On the EU constitution, Klaus recalled that three countries had voted against it, and that if Mr Crowley wanted to talk about insults to the Irish people, "the biggest insult to the Irish people is not to accept the result of the Irish referendum". This provoked Crowley to retort angrily, "You will not tell me what the Irish think. As an Irishman, I know it best."

Everntually Pöttering closed the meeting by saying that he wanted to leave the room "in good terms", but it was quite unacceptable to compare himself and his colleagues with the Soviet Union. Klaus replied that he had not mentioned the Soviet Union: "I only said that I had not experienced such an atmosphere, such a style of debate, in the Czech Republic in the last 19 years."

This bizarre confrontation, which has been recounted and discussed with shock across formerly Communist eastern Europe, confirms the inability of the Euro-elite to accept that anyone holds different views from their own, on Lisbon, global warming or anything else. As we see from the way our own political parties are run, when it comes to "Europe", the system has no place for opposition. Everything must be decided by "consensus", directed from the top. There is only one approved "party line". Apart from a few little powerless dissidents round the edges, the EU is thus in essence a one-party state.

It was a sense of this that powerfully influenced the French, Dutch and Irish people, when they were given the chance, to vote against the constitution which will cement that one-party state into place more firmly than ever. And it explains why, last week, the European Council told the Irish that they must hold their referendum again, on the understanding that this time they will get it right. That is the way one-party states behave ? as President Klaus, who lived under one for the first 50 years of his life, knows only too well.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/c...U-assault.html

cykoe6 · 12-16-2008, 04:59 PM

No EU apologists want to step up and explain why the will of the people, free debate and the democratic process are just unnecessary obstacles getting in the way of the greater good that is represented by the new EU constitution?

directfiesta · 12-16-2008, 05:09 PM

Michael O · 12-16-2008, 05:16 PM

We have had a couple of "revotes" in the 90's here in Denmark because the people didn't vote the "correct" way the first time.

cykoe6 · 12-16-2008, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

Yea. Apparently my interest in this subject is not shared by many others here.

I know Buzzy would be interested but he is MIA. Anyway thanks for the bump.

cykoe6 · 12-16-2008, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael O

We have had a couple of "revotes" in the 90's here in Denmark because the people didn't vote the "correct" way the first time.

Yea the Danish did their best to kill the Maastricht Treaty in 1992 and stop the EU nightmare in its tracks. Of course the EU bureaucrats knew better and they had the Danish re-vote until they got it right.

Machete_ · 12-16-2008, 05:25 PM

The EU is dead. The financial crisis showed exactly how useless it us. Please put the borders back up, and let the countries trade with each other instead of this idiotic wannabe US bull

The EU was meant .. no let me rephrase that.. the EU was SOLD to us as a trade union. But what it is now, is what they wanted all along - and then some.

But it will never happen. They keep tab-dancing around the subject of who should be the first one to test vote for giving up the national sovereignty. The first that let people vote will get a "NO" and then the EU can finally be declared dead.... what a waste of hundreds of billions of dollars

Ethersync · 12-16-2008, 06:56 PM

When they were coming up with plans for the European Union it was modeled after the Soviet Union. The idea was to have a "nicer" Soviet Union. Instead of expanding their empire by force like the Soviets the EU expands it by what amounts to, basically, bribery. They expand their centralized, unaccountable to the people, power base under the guise of a democracy, but if you answer wrong you are either given another chance to answer correctly or they just go ask someone else entirely (e.g. no referendum. politicians decide.).

As far as the Euro goes Milton Friedman felt that it would never last through a serious recession. We have a chance now to see if his prediction is correct.......

GlobalCorp · 07-12-2009, 06:44 PM

World news should be posted on the cnn board. This board is for Adult Webmasters - thanks.

cykoe6 · 07-12-2009, 06:52 PM

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World news should be posted on the cnn board. This board is for Adult Webmasters - thanks.

You bumped a 7 month old thread just to let us know that? Your dedication to public service is truly extraordinary.

directfiesta · 07-12-2009, 09:58 PM

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You bumped a 7 month old thread just to let us know that? Your dedication to public service is truly extraordinary.

amazing ....

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Machete_ WINNING! Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 14,579	The EU is dead. The financial crisis showed exactly how useless it us. Please put the borders back up, and let the countries trade with each other instead of this idiotic wannabe US bull The EU was meant .. no let me rephrase that.. the EU was SOLD to us as a trade union. But what it is now, is what they wanted all along - and then some. But it will never happen. They keep tab-dancing around the subject of who should be the first one to test vote for giving up the national sovereignty. The first that let people vote will get a "NO" and then the EU can finally be declared dead.... what a waste of hundreds of billions of dollars

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Ethersync Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: London, Saint-Tropez, Bermuda, Moscow Posts: 5,289	When they were coming up with plans for the European Union it was modeled after the Soviet Union. The idea was to have a "nicer" Soviet Union. Instead of expanding their empire by force like the Soviets the EU expands it by what amounts to, basically, bribery. They expand their centralized, unaccountable to the people, power base under the guise of a democracy, but if you answer wrong you are either given another chance to answer correctly or they just go ask someone else entirely (e.g. no referendum. politicians decide.). As far as the Euro goes Milton Friedman felt that it would never last through a serious recession. We have a chance now to see if his prediction is correct.......

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