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WendyB · 11-08-2002, 06:47 PM

All of us iBill clients who process VISA membership sales are being effected by the required registration process for principal operators of high risk sites.

There seems to be much continued confusion, rumor, and variation regarding requirements for USA based operators and operators located in various international locations.

At present it appears iBill is forced to walk the middle ground, meeting themandate of Visa, and maintaining the loyality of global adult webmasters.

The issue with Visa / iBill along with any other third party (ISPP) may very well be the first phase to identify and in the near future exclude non USA based web site operators from processing their "high-risk" VISA charges via USA based third party processors. If this indeed is the case, there are many who have rebilling income at risk.

Please share any recent information you have received, or your allowing all to be better informed.

WendyB · 11-09-2002, 10:21 AM

Hummmm, Am I the only one who has had to pay $750 dollars?

Rictor · 11-09-2002, 10:52 AM

Do a search...you'll find 300 threads on the subject.

WendyB · 11-09-2002, 08:29 PM

Thanks Rictor.
I have also posted on some of them.
I believe this remains a very important issue.

kevinl · 11-10-2002, 12:44 AM

I agree.
That is why you are required to have a US presense. Next most foreign webmasters will become acquainted with a govenrment agency known as the Internal Revenue Service.
You think the $750.00 is all it is going to cost you, youare sadly wrong. Be sure and get a good accountant who knows international tax law. They aren't cheap but a good one is worth his weight in gold.

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WendyB · 11-10-2002, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kevinl
I agree.
That is why you are required to have a US presense. Next most foreign webmasters will become acquainted with a govenrment agency known as the Internal Revenue Service.

I am getting feedback that Foreign webmasters are now exempted from paying the $750.

If this is true, then it would be a strong indication of tighter policy regarding webmaster location. Since there would be no $750 fee to refund, they could make wide sweeping rejection of foreign wemasters without USA presence.

READ BETWEEN THE LINES!!!!!! Can you imagine an american company missing an opportunity to charge someone $750, unless that company already knew they were going to have to refund it!!!!

The foreign webmasters who register without US presence are at very high risk of being REJECTED by Visa's yet to be announced new tighter policies.

Kimmykim · 11-10-2002, 12:17 PM

The non US webmasters who have a presence, or are establishing one, in the EU or other regions where their particular processor has merchant accounts, are subject to the requirements in that region, all of which should fall under basic Visa International guidelines that have been established.

Currently EU banks are not charging any fees for Visa in that region, however that does not preclude it happening in the future.

We deal directly with a European third party processor which is not US based at all, and this is what we have been advised by the owner of the company. However, to use their services with Visa processing, we will have to form a corporation in the EU, otherwise they cannot process for us, since we have no presence in their region.

As for refunding any money, I think that is a bit ridiculous to assume. Unless Visa declines the US sponsored merchant processing, the fee is gone, and will not be returned unless the processor is rebating it, as many have opted to do.

This is not a matter of rejecting webmasters without a US presence, this is simply a matter of Visa enforcing a rule thats been on their books for quite some time tho ignored all that time.

WendyB · 11-10-2002, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim

Currently EU banks are not charging any fees for Visa in that region, however that does not preclude it happening in the future.

This is not a matter of rejecting webmasters without a US presence, this is simply a matter of Visa enforcing a rule thats been on their books for quite some time tho ignored all that time.

Dear Kimmykim,

I agree with the points you made.
My primary concern and comments are directed at non USA based webmasters who are currently signed up with iBill USA, and have iBill/Visa rebilling dollars to loose.

What do you feel, given the enforcement of these VISA rules, how will those non USA web operaters who currently process in the USA be effected?

Thanks

Wendy

ACE777 · 11-11-2002, 12:19 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by WendyB
[B]

The foreign webmasters who register without US presence are at very high risk of being REJECTED by Visa's yet to be annoounced.

when did then they start letting people outside america have merchant accounts?

WendyB · 11-12-2002, 03:11 AM

it's the calm before the storm

11-08-2002, 06:47 PM	#1
WendyB Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Woodinville Posts: 538	New VISA - iBILL ispp Registration UPDATES All of us iBill clients who process VISA membership sales are being effected by the required registration process for principal operators of high risk sites. There seems to be much continued confusion, rumor, and variation regarding requirements for USA based operators and operators located in various international locations. At present it appears iBill is forced to walk the middle ground, meeting themandate of Visa, and maintaining the loyality of global adult webmasters. The issue with Visa / iBill along with any other third party (ISPP) may very well be the first phase to identify and in the near future exclude non USA based web site operators from processing their "high-risk" VISA charges via USA based third party processors. If this indeed is the case, there are many who have rebilling income at risk. Please share any recent information you have received, or your allowing all to be better informed. __________________ An act of kindness is a wonderful gift Last edited by WendyB; 11-08-2002 at 07:26 PM..

11-09-2002, 10:21 AM	#2
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WendyB Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Woodinville Posts: 538	Thanks Rictor. I have also posted on some of them. I believe this remains a very important issue. __________________ An act of kindness is a wonderful gift

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kevinl Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: US Posts: 261	I agree. That is why you are required to have a US presense. Next most foreign webmasters will become acquainted with a govenrment agency known as the Internal Revenue Service. You think the $750.00 is all it is going to cost you, youare sadly wrong. Be sure and get a good accountant who knows international tax law. They aren't cheap but a good one is worth his weight in gold. __________________ kevinl

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Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	The non US webmasters who have a presence, or are establishing one, in the EU or other regions where their particular processor has merchant accounts, are subject to the requirements in that region, all of which should fall under basic Visa International guidelines that have been established. Currently EU banks are not charging any fees for Visa in that region, however that does not preclude it happening in the future. We deal directly with a European third party processor which is not US based at all, and this is what we have been advised by the owner of the company. However, to use their services with Visa processing, we will have to form a corporation in the EU, otherwise they cannot process for us, since we have no presence in their region. As for refunding any money, I think that is a bit ridiculous to assume. Unless Visa declines the US sponsored merchant processing, the fee is gone, and will not be returned unless the processor is rebating it, as many have opted to do. This is not a matter of rejecting webmasters without a US presence, this is simply a matter of Visa enforcing a rule thats been on their books for quite some time tho ignored all that time.

11-11-2002, 12:19 AM	#10
ACE777 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 21	[QUOTE]Originally posted by WendyB [B] The foreign webmasters who register without US presence are at very high risk of being REJECTED by Visa's yet to be annoounced. when did then they start letting people outside america have merchant accounts?

11-12-2002, 03:11 AM	#11
WendyB Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Woodinville Posts: 538	it's the calm before the storm __________________ An act of kindness is a wonderful gift